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2012-07-17 10:55:26 AM  
How many times does it happen, the minute the woman lands the new job the first thing she does is go out on maternity leave.


Maybe this is part of yahoo's viral market campaign to appeal to the mommy demographic.
 
2012-07-17 12:08:28 PM  
Prediction: This thread will fill with people using wild, illogical, self-serving "reasons" to justify why they should get months and months of time off, at tremendous costs to their cow-orkers, employer and clients, because they made a (currently) socially-acceptable life choice.

I'm fine with maternity leave, though, really....... as long as anyone who supports it also believes every employee should be able to take 2-3 months off every 2-3 years to do whatever the fark they want. Want to have a kid and be a stay-at-home parent? Great! Want to live in Paris and paint watercolors? Great! Want to sit in a basement, cover yourself in cheeto dust and rage on teh innarwebz? Great!

But if you believe only -one- of those choices is a justification for making your peers cover for you and pick up your slack, potentially putting your organization / workgroup / company at risk, while laying around watching Springer (seriously, had someone go out on maternity leave and have the gall to complain that "it was so boring... all I did was watch terrible daytime tv"), go fark yourself.

And if you think *I'm* ragey, you should hear what the professional, no-kid-having -women- I know have to say about the matter. None of them start with, "I'm fine with maternity leave...".

It will be interesting to watch what happens when someone this high profile pulls the "whoops, I'm'a formin' a babby ... brb in a few months LOL" in terms of social conversation, stock price, PR management, etc.
 
2012-07-17 12:11:01 PM  
I was going to say something witty but have decided to abort.
 
2012-07-17 12:14:02 PM  
Man, the trolls are fierce today.
 
2012-07-17 12:17:50 PM  

SFSailor: Prediction: This thread will fill with people using wild, illogical, self-serving "reasons" to justify why they should get months and months of time off, at tremendous costs to their cow-orkers, employer and clients, because they made a (currently) socially-acceptable life choice.

I'm fine with maternity leave, though, really....... as long as anyone who supports it also believes every employee should be able to take 2-3 months off every 2-3 years to do whatever the fark they want. Want to have a kid and be a stay-at-home parent? Great! Want to live in Paris and paint watercolors? Great! Want to sit in a basement, cover yourself in cheeto dust and rage on teh innarwebz? Great!


Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.
 
2012-07-17 12:19:48 PM  
She's cute.
 
2012-07-17 12:20:18 PM  
Heard on NPR this morning (paraphrased): "At Google, Mayer was responsible for, among other things, the design of the company's signature white website."

*snert* A blank page with a text box, a button, and the Google logo on it? That's some fine graphic design work, Lou.

Kinda cool: She's 37. Younger than me, but close enough to my age. Gen X is taking over the world. 'bout time.
 
2012-07-17 12:22:25 PM  

epyonyx: She's cute.


Yes.
 
2012-07-17 12:25:42 PM  

epyonyx: She's cute.


Indeed.
 
2012-07-17 12:27:40 PM  
Takeaway: the key to succeeding in sales, marketing and management is to be attractive.
 
2012-07-17 12:29:23 PM  
She's my age.

/I'm not the CEO of anything
 
2012-07-17 12:40:37 PM  
My new ringtone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSujceZDmg
 
2012-07-17 12:48:09 PM  
first baby at 37? seems a little old to me.
 
2012-07-17 12:59:04 PM  

SuperT: first baby at 37? seems a little old to me.


It is. 35 is considered "advanced maternal age" for first pregnancies.

/I'm not a doctor, but I am married to a doctor.
//I'm a physician-in-law.
 
2012-07-17 01:01:18 PM  

bonzo74: My new ringtone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSujceZDmg


Kind of turns me on.
 
2012-07-17 01:14:24 PM  

SFSailor: It will be interesting to watch what happens when someone this high profile pulls the "whoops, I'm'a formin' a babby ... brb in a few months LOL" in terms of social conversation, stock price, PR management, etc.


She disclosed her condidtion to the Board last month. They knew before they made the final decision.
 
2012-07-17 01:15:20 PM  
Obviously maternity leave is necessary, since women who have just given birth aren't fit to work. However, it's extremely expensive, and unfair upon everyone else who has to pay for it. Since it's not fair to pay them less to cover that risk, women should be required to either purchase maternity leave insurance, or demonstrate that they cannot get pregnant.
 
2012-07-17 01:36:15 PM  
Poor Yahoo, can't catch a break.
 
2012-07-17 01:53:56 PM  

SFSailor: Prediction: This thread will fill with people using wild, illogical, self-serving "reasons" to justify why they should get months and months of time off, at tremendous costs to their cow-orkers, employer and clients, because they made a (currently) socially-acceptable life choice.

I'm fine with maternity leave, though, really.......



encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-07-17 02:16:12 PM  

SFSailor: I'm fine with maternity leave, though, really....... as long as anyone who supports it also believes every employee should be able to take 2-3 months off every 2-3 years to do whatever the fark they want.


Sure, why not? It's not like anyone taking months and months off is really going to be able to compete with me, or anyone who values their work. By the time someone comes back from that kind of leave, they've been completely forgotten about. All the projects that they've abandoned have been picked up by someone else.

If you're willing to deal with that, then by all means, hit the road, it's your career.
 
2012-07-17 02:59:05 PM  

YodaBlues: Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.


Why wouldn't you get to do this? Many companies provide paternity leave.

What irks some of us who [can|will]not have kids is that having a kid grants one special protection and support not available to people making other life choices.

Fuggin Bizzy: *snert* A blank page with a text box, a button, and the Google logo on it? That's some fine graphic design work, Lou.


Do you not remember the innarwebz before Google? It was revolutionary. And daring. Anyone involved in the design and decisionmaking deserves credit for fundamentally changing the web as we know it.

EvilToni: She disclosed her condidtion to the Board last month. They knew before they made the final decision.


Hey, thanks for that. (If it was in the A that I RTF'ed, I skimmed over it.) Interesting. And full points to her for being upfront about it -- I imagine that piece of information could help prevent a stock dip / bad reputation kicking off her tenure.

mccallcl: Sure, why not? It's not like anyone taking months and months off is really going to be able to compete with me, or anyone who values their work. By the time someone comes back from that kind of leave, they've been completely forgotten about. All the projects that they've abandoned have been picked up by someone else.

If you're willing to deal with that, then by all means, hit the road, it's your career.


See, now, that's my point. If someone chooses to form babby, they get job protection and generally excused from the (often VERY expensive) repercussions of that decision on their teammates, organization and clientele. And FSM help your organization if they manage either to need legitimately or whine their way into "doctor mandated bed rest." They get to re-enter their role where they left off (or, in some cases, as advanced by the team around them) with plenty of excuses and support for "catching up." But if someone decides to go to a Buddhist monastery or hitchhike across the country or raise a litter of seeing eye dogs, it's "sure, hit the road, it's your career."

That don't seem right.

And it should bother you that you only see a choice of "work my ass off nonstop or throw away my career."

Further, the flipside is infuriating if you are female and [can|will]not have a kid -- your female colleagues get a safety net and support to have / take care of their kids, while you're expected to join the "we'll cover for her" team because "you'll have one eventually" and/or "you have kids and understand, right?" And, of course, a professional woman in her fertile years will always face (some might argue justified-) discrimination and doubt about her ability to execute her responsibilities and maintain her loyalty because other women have kids.

At the same time, people having kids is important (particularly smart people). And there should be some support for it. It's just the disproportionate support of a specific life choice that is... insulting? irrational? embittering? to some of us.
 
2012-07-17 02:59:30 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: SuperT: first baby at 37? seems a little old to me.

It is. 35 is considered "advanced maternal age" for first pregnancies.

/I'm not a doctor, but I am married to a doctor.
//I'm a physician-in-law.


I'm getting old way too damn quickly.
 
2012-07-17 03:03:19 PM  
The only sure way to increase their user base.
 
2012-07-17 03:03:20 PM  
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So the rumors are true, then?
 
2012-07-17 03:21:28 PM  

SFSailor: See, now, that's my point. If someone chooses to form babby, they get job protection and generally excused from the (often VERY expensive) repercussions of that decision on their teammates, organization and clientele. And FSM help your organization if they manage either to need legitimately or whine their way into "doctor mandated bed rest." They get to re-enter their role where they left off (or, in some cases, as advanced by the team around them) with plenty of excuses and support for "catching up." But if someone decides to go to a Buddhist monastery or hitchhike across the country or raise a litter of seeing eye dogs, it's "sure, hit the road, it's your career."


Having a family is what keeps something called "humanity" going. And until very recently, not having kids wasn't an option for most women. That WAS their role, and there had to be sacrifices in the workforce made if women wanted to also have career options. Hence, we have maternity leave.

Going to a Buddhist monastary or hitch hiking is not exactly important to, you know, the rest of humanity. And it isn't something that is so common as to be considered a regular life experience.

That being said, I know a couple of people who took months off of paid leave for personal reasons like being ill or being severely depressed. And these were high up people at BIG corporations. Because even these corporations know it isn't right to just let people go unemployed because things go on in their personal lives that they need to take care of. A buddy of mine recently took 3 months for depression (unfortunately he still isn't well and has decided not to go back to his $200k career).

In Europe, mothers get like a year of maternity leave (I think 2 years in places like Sweden).

Not to get all political, but it is my opinion that if the GOP were truly all about family values, we'd have maternity leave protection like they have in Europe.

At the same time, people having kids is important (particularly smart people). And there should be some support for it. It's just the disproportionate support of a specific life choice that is... insulting? irrational? embittering? to some of us

I'm not disagreeing that it can be I guess embittering, but at the end of the day, not having children is more of a lifestyle choice than having kids is. Family is the default position for most people in the world. And I'm saying this as a 30-something with no kids.

Having children will make people think you can't really roll in the business world. Not having kids will make people think you have plenty of time on your hands to handle more work because you don't have a "traditional family". Either way you can't win.
 
2012-07-17 03:24:32 PM  
bah.. why no nude pics of her yet here??
 
2012-07-17 03:25:45 PM  
Women be getting pregnant. And besides shopping, it's what they do best, so you really can't fault them for it.
 
2012-07-17 03:47:17 PM  
Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.
 
2012-07-17 03:55:47 PM  

SFSailor: YodaBlues: Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.

What irks some of us who [can|will]not have kids is that having a kid grants one special protection and support not available to people making other life choices.


It benefits the continued existence of the human race and the health of the economy for people to be able to procreate and raise children without having to go through a potentially protracted job search afterwards where they are no longer a productive member of society.

It does not benefit the continued existence of the human race for you to take 6 months off to do bong hits across Europe.
 
2012-07-17 04:14:34 PM  

intelligent comment below: Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.


Links to said articles?

I'm only seeing endless streams of "Look how wonderful she is!" praise from the usual news sites.
 
2012-07-17 04:16:45 PM  

intelligent comment below: Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.


Came ot say this.
 
2012-07-17 04:46:07 PM  

espiaboricua: intelligent comment below: Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.

Came ot say this.


Link?
 
2012-07-17 05:21:33 PM  

CokeBear: Link?


crickets
 
2012-07-17 05:31:05 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: SuperT: first baby at 37? seems a little old to me.

It is. 35 is considered "advanced maternal age" for first pregnancies.

/I'm not a doctor, but I am married to a doctor.
//I'm a physician-in-law.


It's not old considering her wealth and education.

I'm damn proud of her. All this "You can't have it all & be a woman" talk is infuriating.
 
2012-07-17 05:47:42 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: All this "You can't have it all & be a woman" talk is infuriating.


Considering she's working through her maternity leave, I'd say she can't have it all. Even with what I'm sure are her 5 nannies she can actually afford.
 
2012-07-17 05:54:38 PM  

kattana: bah.. why no nude pics of her yet here??


You're probably Googling her. You need to search on Yahoo now.
 
2012-07-17 06:08:46 PM  
If she fixes Yahoo fantasy football, specifically their ABYSMAL smartphone app, then I'll be impressed.

/I actually do admire her and hope she does well
//Good luck with the pregnancy also
 
2012-07-17 06:21:00 PM  

SFSailor: They get to re-enter their role where they left off (or, in some cases, as advanced by the team around them) with plenty of excuses and support for "catching up."


Dude (lady?), nobody gets support while they catch up. It's all an act. All the sharks rub their hands together when someone leaves for any reason. They may chip in for the "congratulations!" cookie bouquet but they are taking the clients, the projects, the responsibility and anything they can get their hands on. When she comes back it's all "well, I mean, SFSailor already has a relationship with the client now, but Phil's willing to give up [worst-performing, most troublesome client] in his territory".

If they get paid to lie around and recuperate, that's none of your business. They would get it for any long-term illness. They are not rewarded for their choice to have kids, they suffer and suffer for it, steeped in regret as they watch your career accelerate while theirs stalls. They lose their social life, their hobbies, their sex lives (no, dicking somebody's mom with a screaming kid in the background is not sexy). The least we can do is throw them a month off to let the consequences sink in.
 
2012-07-17 06:35:16 PM  

skrame: You're probably Googling her. You need to search on Yahoo now.


Googling her? I thought I was ogling her.
 
2012-07-17 06:37:55 PM  

mccallcl: SFSailor: I'm fine with maternity leave, though, really....... as long as anyone who supports it also believes every employee should be able to take 2-3 months off every 2-3 years to do whatever the fark they want.

Sure, why not? It's not like anyone taking months and months off is really going to be able to compete with me, or anyone who values their work. By the time someone comes back from that kind of leave, they've been completely forgotten about. All the projects that they've abandoned have been picked up by someone else.

If you're willing to deal with that, then by all means, hit the road, it's your career.


The FMLA law dictates that when a person comes back from leave, she's guaranteed the same position, responsibility and benefits she had before she left. Personally if I was allowed to take off 3 months every few years, with my job security intact, I would gladly take it even though it means I have to take the slow-lane career track. Enjoying life while I'm young and healthy is more important to me than spending all my time working, accumulating wealth and then trying to spend it when I'm old and decrepit.
 
2012-07-17 06:43:05 PM  

YodaBlues: SFSailor: YodaBlues: Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.

What irks some of us who [can|will]not have kids is that having a kid grants one special protection and support not available to people making other life choices.


It benefits the continued existence of the human race and the health of the economy for people to be able to procreate and raise children without having to go through a potentially protracted job search afterwards where they are no longer a productive member of society.

It does not benefit the continued existence of the human race for you to take 6 months off to do bong hits across Europe.


Does it benefit society for people to have children when they can't afford to have them?
 
2012-07-17 06:45:33 PM  

fozziewazzi: The FMLA law dictates that when a person comes back from leave, she's guaranteed the same position, responsibility and benefits she had before she left.


The law is there to guarantee you your 10-minute break at Kinko's, not ensure that your career is on track. You can't step away from work for three months and expect everything shrink-wrapped and waiting for you.

fozziewazzi: Enjoying life while I'm young and healthy is more important to me than spending all my time working, accumulating wealth and then trying to spend it when I'm old and decrepit.


Get a job that makes you happy and you can do both :)
 
2012-07-17 07:21:29 PM  
Heard the aforementioned NPR story about her while I was taking a core dump...
 
2012-07-17 07:25:24 PM  
Yet she's not barefoot and standing by the sink. Hmmm ...
 
2012-07-17 08:47:55 PM  
"My doctor says that he takes after his parents."

Well, no shiat.
 
2012-07-17 08:54:59 PM  
Nobody commented on the core dump reference...sad.
 
2012-07-17 09:17:54 PM  

fozziewazzi: YodaBlues: SFSailor: YodaBlues: Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.

What irks some of us who [can|will]not have kids is that having a kid grants one special protection and support not available to people making other life choices.


It benefits the continued existence of the human race and the health of the economy for people to be able to procreate and raise children without having to go through a potentially protracted job search afterwards where they are no longer a productive member of society.

It does not benefit the continued existence of the human race for you to take 6 months off to do bong hits across Europe.

Does it benefit society for people to have children when they can't afford to have them?


That may be the dumbest deflection I've ever seen and it has nothing to do with employee maternity leave. Stop trying to steer the conversation to unrelated bullshiat.
 
2012-07-17 11:43:37 PM  

YodaBlues: fozziewazzi: YodaBlues: SFSailor: YodaBlues: Umm...I'm pretty sure everyone would be ok with this. But just because I don't get to do this (damn you penis, you are nothing but trouble!), doesn't mean I think a woman needs to back to work 2 days after popping out a unit.

What irks some of us who [can|will]not have kids is that having a kid grants one special protection and support not available to people making other life choices.


It benefits the continued existence of the human race and the health of the economy for people to be able to procreate and raise children without having to go through a potentially protracted job search afterwards where they are no longer a productive member of society.

It does not benefit the continued existence of the human race for you to take 6 months off to do bong hits across Europe.

Does it benefit society for people to have children when they can't afford to have them?

That may be the dumbest deflection I've ever seen and it has nothing to do with employee maternity leave. Stop trying to steer the conversation to unrelated bullshiat.


Are there really people here trying to say that in ann already overpopulated world of 7 billion, we need more people to breed to ensure humanity's survival?

Having kids is not a benefit to anyone except those having the kids. Period.
 
2012-07-18 03:37:24 AM  

nandaiyo: intelligent comment below: Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.

Links to said articles?

I'm only seeing endless streams of "Look how wonderful she is!" praise from the usual news sites.



Here's one about her apparent demotion

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-10-13/tech/30071084_1_adword s -google-ceo-google-in-market-share

Regarding her bad managing and lack of knowledge, I can't find any articles right now except first hand experiences.
 
2012-07-18 08:00:24 AM  

intelligent comment below: nandaiyo: intelligent comment below: Every article I've read showed her to be a horrible engineer, a horrible people manager, who slept her way to the top, and was demoted recently at Google. Sounds like Yahoo picks another winner.

Links to said articles?

I'm only seeing endless streams of "Look how wonderful she is!" praise from the usual news sites.


Here's one about her apparent demotion

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-10-13/tech/30071084_1_adword s -google-ceo-google-in-market-share

Regarding her bad managing and lack of knowledge, I can't find any articles right now except first hand experiences.


So you just made it all up and then claim to have first hand experiences. Typical misogynist. Your thinking is that since she's good looking she must have slept her way to the top, and there is no way she has the brains to back it up. It is this nonsense thinking that pervades much of the IT community. It really is disgusting.
 
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