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(Foreign Policy)   To avoid the appearance of flip-flopping, Mitt Romney supports and opposes the withdrawal timetable simultaneously   (thecable.foreignpolicy.com) divider line 77
    More: Silly, Mitt Romney, Afghanistan War, obama, Armed Services Committee, Afghan National Security Forces, withdrawals, strategic partner, Jon Kyl  
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2012-07-17 09:55:46 AM  
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on __________________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.

Writing about Romney is as easy as Mad Libs.
 
2012-07-17 10:04:31 AM  
Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."


This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
 
2012-07-17 10:18:30 AM  
schroedinger's candidate!
 
2012-07-17 10:21:07 AM  
The man is utterly nutless.
 
2012-07-17 10:21:47 AM  

FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!


Look, you'd be able to understand Romney if you would just accept his arbitrary and capricious alterations to the commonly accepted meanings of words. It's your stubbornness to submit that makes you incapable of grasping Romney's positions, not the fact that the has none.
 
2012-07-17 10:23:56 AM  
This guy makes John Kerry look like a pair of Bruno Magli's
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-17 10:31:38 AM  
I think it's more that 48% feels one way and 45% the other, with 7% of him undecided.
 
2012-07-17 10:36:24 AM  
What happens to a cat in the Romney Box?
 
2012-07-17 10:37:20 AM  
I guess we all know what kind of Romney Box a dog gets.
 
2012-07-17 10:40:45 AM  
It's OK, he can retroactively do both...
 
2012-07-17 10:44:52 AM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!
 
2012-07-17 10:48:43 AM  
So then he's going to do the opposite of what Obama has been doing by doing the same thing Obama has been doing?

Okay.
 
2012-07-17 10:58:00 AM  
Maybe I can see into his mind in this case, but I think what Romney meant is what Sen. Graham suggested: don't publicly announce the withdrawal. It only serves to embolden the Taliban. Do it quietly.

But, I guess that wouldn't be politically prudent.
 
2012-07-17 10:59:03 AM  

vpb: I think it's more that 48% feels one way and 45% the other, with 7% of him undecided.


ha!
 
2012-07-17 11:07:52 AM  

blackhalo: Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.


It's a feel good, meaningless soundbite. In reality, your military staff will have wildly different ideas as to what would be the correct course of action in a crisis. The difference in their opinions may mean the difference between successful resolution of the crisis, or global war.

Case in point: what happens if Romney encounters a Cuban Missle Crisis type scenario? Curtis LeMay suggests pulling the trigger and nuking them before they know what'shiat them, while Robert McNamara urges a measured approach toward compromise. What does he do? Flip a coin?
 
2012-07-17 11:13:50 AM  

FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!


hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 600x525]

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!


You can know Romney's positions.

....You just can't know Romney's positions and how he got there. Or how he's getting to his position but what his position actually is.
 
2012-07-17 11:13:50 AM  
Irrelevant. Nobody is going to vote for one or the other based on their support of a timetable or not.
 
2012-07-17 11:15:55 AM  
Well of course he does.
 
2012-07-17 11:16:12 AM  

gilgigamesh: blackhalo: Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

It's a feel good, meaningless soundbite. In reality, your military staff will have wildly different ideas as to what would be the correct course of action in a crisis. The difference in their opinions may mean the difference between successful resolution of the crisis, or global war.


The real problem here is the complete abdication of policy making to the military. Romney's policy is basically "Become the puppet of a military junta."

The last thing you want in a President is someone who "listens to the commanders." You want a President that will "Set clear policy and mission criteria for those commanders to carry out."
 
2012-07-17 11:16:37 AM  

blackhalo: This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.


On paper, he'll be in charge, but he's going to work another job for a few years and let his subordinates run things.
 
2012-07-17 11:18:12 AM  
In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"
 
2012-07-17 11:18:51 AM  

sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"


I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.
 
2012-07-17 11:19:46 AM  

PonceAlyosha: sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.


"Romney's wallet" is a metaphor for the Cayman Islands.
 
2012-07-17 11:21:30 AM  

gilgigamesh: Case in point: what happens if Romney encounters a Cuban Missle Crisis type scenario? Curtis LeMay suggests pulling the trigger and nuking them before they know what'shiat them, while Robert McNamara urges a measured approach toward compromise. What does he do? Flip a coin?


Pray that the ghost of Bobby Kennedy shows up and tells him what to do? (which is what happened last time).

Also, that's a good example of what happens when you have TWO sociopaths giving you advice.
 
2012-07-17 11:21:43 AM  
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Lemonade_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.
 
2012-07-17 11:22:24 AM  
We must be careful not to look weak to the Soviets!
 
2012-07-17 11:23:07 AM  
Sooo... Romney's double-secret military plan is to do the same thing as Obama, but not announce it to anyone.
 
2012-07-17 11:24:05 AM  
FTA:"Graham agreed with Romney's criticism of Obama's plan to withdraw the 30,000 surge troops by September, which means the bulk of them will not be around for this summer's fighting season."

Wait, they have a fighting season? Are there, like, leagues or something?
 
2012-07-17 11:24:40 AM  
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-17 11:24:55 AM  

sprawl15: PonceAlyosha: sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.

"Romney's wallet" is a metaphor for the Cayman Islands.


It's good you clarified that for me. Because that's NOT where my mind was going on the definition of "Romney's wallet".
 
2012-07-17 11:25:11 AM  
Has the Romney issued anything resembling a campaign platform yet? Or is it all "I'll undo whatever Obama's done."
 
2012-07-17 11:26:27 AM  

sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"


He'll siphon a little off the top while that buck heads out of the country.
 
2012-07-17 11:27:47 AM  

Rent Party:

The real problem here is the complete abdication of policy making to the military. Romney's policy is basically "Become the puppet of a military junta."

The last thing you want in a President is someone who "listens to the commanders." You want a President that will "Set clear policy and mission criteria for those commanders to carry out."


Eh, not a military junta, just being a shiatty president. A military junta usually takes control after the elites of a country have the democratically-elected president murdered because the proles put in the wrong guy.
 
2012-07-17 11:29:41 AM  

NeoCortex42: FTA:"Graham agreed with Romney's criticism of Obama's plan to withdraw the 30,000 surge troops by September, which means the bulk of them will not be around for this summer's fighting season."

Wait, they have a fighting season? Are there, like, leagues or something?


Mixed Martial Law
 
2012-07-17 11:29:49 AM  
Obviously he'll retroactively withdraw the troops. They'll be there another 10 years, but they really left in 2014.
 
2012-07-17 11:30:13 AM  

xanadian: Maybe I can see into his mind in this case, but I think what Romney meant is what Sen. Graham suggested: don't publicly announce the withdrawal. It only serves to embolden the Taliban. Do it quietly.

But, I guess that wouldn't be politically prudent.


But here's why that's silly and doesn't work:

If you're leaving? THEY CAN TELL. Whether or not you *announce* it. "Gee, Bobhammed, there's, like, no one at that military base anymore, and there were all those trucks pulling their equipment out."
"WE SHOULD ACT LIKE THEY'RE STILL THERE!"
"But we saw them leave, doesn't that-"
"DAMNIT JIMHOMMAD, THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE LEAVING, SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE."
 
2012-07-17 11:30:49 AM  
images.wikia.com

Gov. Romney has a secret plan to fight the Afghan War, terrorism, and inflation.

/woot canaw
 
2012-07-17 11:30:54 AM  
"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

Ah yes, Romney's patented CEO management style. "Listen to the commanders," what true foreign policy leadership. Surely following this formula will lead to geopolitical dominance and stability.

/Mitt Romney is conducting PSYOPs against the Taliban
 
2012-07-17 11:31:27 AM  
The man has shown that he's only good at looting. Why should we let him have a chance at the White House again?
 
2012-07-17 11:31:41 AM  
Lime. Dry. Bad.
 
2012-07-17 11:31:59 AM  
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Spongebob Squarepants_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.
 
2012-07-17 11:38:29 AM  

Epoch_Zero: FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!

hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 600x525]

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!

You can know Romney's positions.

....You just can't know Romney's positions and how he got there. Or how he's getting to his position but what his position actually is.


Wait wait wait....is this Schrödinger's candidate or Heisenberg's candidate?

...or would observing that change the end result?
 
2012-07-17 11:40:12 AM  
It seems clear Romney's plan for Afghanistan is to clean up Obama's mess.

Just like Obama's plan was to clean up Bush's mess.
 
2012-07-17 11:40:18 AM  
Obama's people should do an ad that plays off of Hillary's 3am phone call ad, but have Romney answer. Hours tick away on the clock at the bottom of the screen, while Romney stutters, stammers, gives incoherent answers, then finally asks if he can phone a friend.
 
2012-07-17 11:40:31 AM  
Prominent Senators in Mitt Romney's own party don't know what his positions on very important issues are.
 
2012-07-17 11:40:37 AM  
Mitt Romney is like the character Richard Rich from the movie "A Man for All Seasons":

Richard Rich: Employ me.
Sir Thomas More: No.
Richard Rich: I would be faithful.
Sir Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight.
 
2012-07-17 11:41:28 AM  

FooDog: Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Lemonade_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.


Actually I think his policy on lemonade is quite clear, and I am in full agreement.

"Lemon, wet, good"? I agree completely.
 
2012-07-17 11:41:28 AM  

pudding7: Irrelevant. Nobody is going to vote for one or the other based on their support of a timetable or not.


Perhaps if your husband or wife was serving, you'd feel differently.
 
2012-07-17 11:42:12 AM  

Cletus C.: It seems clear Romney's plan for Afghanistan is to clean up Obama's mess.


Does that "seem clear" to you?

Because it doesn't eve seem clear to Lindsey Graham, someone who I would wager is a tad more plugged in than you.

Mitt Romney's position on Lemonade isn't clear, do you think he can even spell Afghanistan?
 
2012-07-17 11:42:42 AM  

imontheinternet: Gov. Romney has a secret plan to fight the Afghan War, terrorism, and inflation.


Does he have groupies on the Internet?
 
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