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2012-07-17 08:36:42 AM
Sad, but true.
 
2012-07-17 08:44:52 AM
Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.
 
2012-07-17 08:54:57 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.


The second episode sucked. The third and fourth were awesome.
 
2012-07-17 08:56:41 AM

GAT_00: The second episode sucked. The third and fourth were awesome.


Agreed. I'm thoroughly enjoying the series.
 
2012-07-17 08:57:52 AM
Meh, i could care less about the series. Whoever wrote that scene summed up everything wrong with America.
 
2012-07-17 09:02:04 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.


I haven't seen any of it except for this clip, but I suspect you're right.
 
2012-07-17 09:05:32 AM

Happy Hours: Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.

I haven't seen any of it except for this clip, but I suspect you're right.


It drips Sorkin. If you enjoy his writing, it is fantastic. The third episode was literally wall to wall Sorkin rants and it was glorious. It is endearing, it is idealistic, it is Sorkin through and through.

And considering my favorite show ever is The West Wing, I love it.
 
2012-07-17 09:07:45 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.


I couldn't finish the first episode.
 
2012-07-17 09:19:06 AM

GAT_00: Happy Hours: Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Unfortunately that was the highlight of that series. It's been downhill since.

I haven't seen any of it except for this clip, but I suspect you're right.

It drips Sorkin. If you enjoy his writing, it is fantastic. The third episode was literally wall to wall Sorkin rants and it was glorious. It is endearing, it is idealistic, it is Sorkin through and through.

And considering my favorite show ever is The West Wing, I love it.


I really liked the West Wing for 3, maybe 4 seasons but at some point I just got bored with it. I haven't even seen this and I feel like I'm already bored with it.
 
2012-07-17 09:30:43 AM
Forget the show. It's the message they conveyed that is profound. Would like to hear one of our candidates say that.
 
2012-07-17 09:53:17 AM
Well, I'll copy-and-paste my post from the thread headlined The most honest three and a half minutes of television, EVER... (some Not safe for work language):

Didn't we already have the Sorkin show that starts off with a man losing his shiat and going off-"script" about how today's society is just such a disappointment?

Oh right, we did. It got cancelled after a season, because it kinda blew and was way too over-the-top.
 
2012-07-17 09:53:20 AM
Daniels character is just too angry. I want to like the show and have seen all of the episodes so far, but it is definitely loosing my interest.

I'll give it another shot before I cast it aside for something else.
 
2012-07-17 09:58:43 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Daniels character is just too angry. I want to like the show and have seen all of the episodes so far, but it is definitely loosing my interest.

I'll give it another shot before I cast it aside for something else.


I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Keith Olbermann at this point.
 
2012-07-17 10:01:34 AM
I've never understood that "greatest country in the world" nonsense. I grew up in New Zealand it was pretty frickin' nice. I sure as hell would live there over a shiathole like Kansas or something.
 
2012-07-17 10:03:23 AM
Hey, you don't like America get the HELL out!
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2012-07-17 10:08:52 AM

timharrod: Hey, you don't like America get the HELL out!
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2/10
Needs sparkly eagle
Not enough caps lock and/or bad grammar/misspellings
 
2012-07-17 10:14:04 AM
One of the show's point that no real nightly news or channel exists now in the US is valid. A real news channel without a clear bias would be nice; the problem is there would be no advertisers. Fox news, MSNBC color all the reports with a bias sometimes just making things up and not sure if CNN is even still calling itself a news channel. Journalistic integrity still exists but in the US the price to shed it is pretty cheap, with the exception of 60 minutes still trying Al Jazeera is the closest thing to a news channel in the US
 
2012-07-17 10:14:30 AM

GAT_00: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Daniels character is just too angry. I want to like the show and have seen all of the episodes so far, but it is definitely loosing my interest.

I'll give it another shot before I cast it aside for something else.

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Keith Olbermann at this point.


But his character is supposed to be a republican who is fed up with the extreme right, not a leftist like Olbermann.
 
2012-07-17 10:15:10 AM
Holy Crap that was Awesome! Never seen it before don't even no what show it was.

However in reality a whole bunch of white haired bible thumpin Mericans would have stopped him two seconds into that speech and drown him out with a cacophony of caterwauling.
 
2012-07-17 10:15:42 AM
Everything he said was true until right after he said "Yosemite?"
 
2012-07-17 10:19:19 AM
I've met people in my life who honestly believe America is the greatest country in the world. They believe this with the sort of unyielding, unquestioning belief you expect from radical cultists or something.

Why is America the greatest country in the world? Because you live here? Sure as hell gotta do better than THAT.
 
2012-07-17 10:19:48 AM
I have the weirdest boner right now!
 
2012-07-17 10:20:32 AM
Caption under the clip: "Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be"

I'd like to know if America is no longer the greatest country, what country is and why.
 
2012-07-17 10:24:06 AM

TheHappTroll: Caption under the clip: "Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be"

I'd like to know if America is no longer the greatest country, what country is and why.


I think only children think there is a "greatest country in the world." Most countries excel in some areas and lack in others. It's called the real world. The US is outstandingly mediocre in most categories, though, it does have that going for it.
 
2012-07-17 10:24:16 AM

Confabulat: I've never understood that "greatest country in the world" nonsense. I grew up in New Zealand it was pretty frickin' nice. I sure as hell would live there over a shiathole like Kansas or something.


The Greatest Country In The World™ is what makes people who live in American shiatholes feel better about themselves. And besides if you've lived in another country you're obviously not to be trusted and basically a commie.
 
2012-07-17 10:26:45 AM

Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Caption under the clip: "Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be"

I'd like to know if America is no longer the greatest country, what country is and why.

I think only children think there is a "greatest country in the world." Most countries excel in some areas and lack in others. It's called the real world. The US is outstandingly mediocre in most categories, though, it does have that going for it.


So your argument would be that America is not the "greatest country in the world" because there isn't one?
 
2012-07-17 10:29:16 AM

Confabulat: I've never understood that "greatest country in the world" nonsense. I grew up in New Zealand it was pretty frickin' nice. I sure as hell would live there over a shiathole like Kansas or something.


It's a bizarre national delusion. I'm fascinated by it, because other than some truly messed up countries like NK, I think very few other nations have this deeply irrational superiority complex. Not just that they're a great nation -- many nations are great nations -- but that they're the absolutely BEST nation. How does one even validate that? On the empirical numbers, we're clearly not the best, at least in terms of what I think most of us consider relevant "quality of life" measures. We're good, great, even, but not the best. Bill Maher made a valid point that given the history of power in the world, we've at least been more reticent to inflict it upon others, compared to most earlier superpowers (going all the way back to the ancient kingdoms), but as Chris Rock might say, not being a douchebag isn't something to brag about: "You're not supposed to be a douchebag!" Refraining from true evil isn't a bragging point, it's what should be expected of everyone. True greatness is reaching beyond ourselves, and we've had moments where we did truly excel in that. I'm personally very proud of the Marshall Plan, for example. But since the mid-'70s, we've been on what seems to me like an accelerating decline, with less and less security and certainty about everything. Job security, especially, and security of personal health and wellbeing. Those are extremely important things to nearly everyone, and we've definitely dropped the ball on that -- as near as I can tell, for the interests of a very small number of people who gain enormously from our suffering and give back as little as possible. That's not the kind of 'American dream' I was raised to believe it. The suffering and stress and worry is obvious to me when I look around. So it baffles me why so many of my fellow citizens seem to sincerely believe that we're the best country in the world, when anyone able to read can confirm for themselves that we haven't been for several decades now. It's not that we literally can't regain that -- we surely could, if we only set ourselves to it -- but we're clearly disinclined for some reason. I think we're baffled and confused, in no small part by our own bullshiat.
 
2012-07-17 10:31:02 AM

TheHappTroll: Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Caption under the clip: "Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be"

I'd like to know if America is no longer the greatest country, what country is and why.

I think only children think there is a "greatest country in the world." Most countries excel in some areas and lack in others. It's called the real world. The US is outstandingly mediocre in most categories, though, it does have that going for it.

So your argument would be that America is not the "greatest country in the world" because there isn't one?


Pretty much, yeah. Countries are huge, complex entities, full of thousands, millions, or even billions of people. It's sort of like talking about Santa Claus if you start thinking "ooo this one is the greatest in the world." In what way? For who? Be specific. There's never going to be a way to answer that, and it's childish to say otherwise.
 
2012-07-17 10:31:11 AM
TheHappTroll

Any country with free speech, free commerce, class mobility, substantive education and healthcare ?
 
2012-07-17 10:33:41 AM
 
2012-07-17 10:34:04 AM
Third and Fourth episodes are improving after a lackluster Second. I think they're starting to hit their stride now. I'm tuning in.
 
2012-07-17 10:36:58 AM
Liberal wanks believe in equality of results. The rest believe in equality of opportunity.
 
2012-07-17 10:37:16 AM
"Honest" here meaning "scripted entertainment"
 
2012-07-17 10:37:26 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: GAT_00: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Daniels character is just too angry. I want to like the show and have seen all of the episodes so far, but it is definitely loosing my interest.

I'll give it another shot before I cast it aside for something else.

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Keith Olbermann at this point.

But his character is supposed to be a republican who is fed up with the extreme right, not a leftist like Olbermann.


Yeah, but the angry guy persona and his delivery style reminds me a lot of Olbermann.
 
2012-07-17 10:38:07 AM
Not having known the context of this (that it was plucked from some t.v. series episode), it really did seem "over the top" to me. The writer makes a point, though at great expense. Why take cheap pot shots at stereotypes of sorority girls? Why lead your viewers with staged and rather transparent impressions suggested by an audience of actors? Even if I agree with the writer's points, it doesn't seem like a good way to assert them. Sadly, though, I can't say that I see much of anything that's above-board and honest in the political ads that are foisted upon us, as if they were real political discourse.
 
2012-07-17 10:40:37 AM
Could be a great show but:

The women are giving just horrible lines and the goofy love stuff is just crap.
Too much right wing bashing to attract a broad enough audience. The show should focus more on what happens behind the scenes at a TV news station rather than the writers coming up with a 15 minute pulpit speech about Republicans. I'm not saying that their analysis of things like the tea party are wrong, but it's supposed to be a news program... not a lecture on politics.
 
2012-07-17 10:42:27 AM

toddism: Liberal wanks believe in equality of results. The rest believe in equality of opportunity.


This means absolutely nothing to sane people, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for thinking you are deep.
 
2012-07-17 10:52:23 AM
href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7217574/78120019#c78120019" target="_blank">Confabulat: I've never understood that "greatest country in the world" nonsense. I grew up in New Zealand it was pretty frickin' nice. I sure as hell would live there over a shiathole like Kansas or something.? Sure as hell gotta do better than THAT.

Why would you say Kansas is a shiathole?

Confabulat: Why is America the greatest country in the world? Because you live here.


I think this is sometimes called the endowment effect.
 
2012-07-17 10:53:54 AM

GAT_00: And considering my favorite show ever is The West Wing, I love it.


I don't think it's a terrible show, however it's too "TV" for me. I guess I was hoping for something with less office romance and perhaps more similar to the Wire with very nuanced criticism. This is the first Sorkin show I've seen.

BTW did you see this? Link
 
2012-07-17 10:55:33 AM

Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Caption under the clip: "Beginning scene of the new HBO series The Newsroom explaining why America's Not the Greatest Country Any Longer... But It Can Be"

I'd like to know if America is no longer the greatest country, what country is and why.

I think only children think there is a "greatest country in the world." Most countries excel in some areas and lack in others. It's called the real world. The US is outstandingly mediocre in most categories, though, it does have that going for it.

So your argument would be that America is not the "greatest country in the world" because there isn't one?

Pretty much, yeah. Countries are huge, complex entities, full of thousands, millions, or even billions of people. It's sort of like talking about Santa Claus if you start thinking "ooo this one is the greatest in the world." In what way? For who? Be specific. There's never going to be a way to answer that, and it's childish to say otherwise.



There's an old sci-fi story in which a bunch of long-haul spacefarers are arguing over the assertion by one of them that Lulungomeena is the most beautiful place in all the universe. They turn to a detached truth-telling alien to settle the dispute and are stunned when he confirms that the assertion is correct. ...As it turns out, the word means "home."

/obviously none of these characters hailed from Detroit
 
2012-07-17 10:58:22 AM

GAT_00: But his character is supposed to be a republican who is fed up with the extreme right, not a leftist like Olbermann.


When watching, I feel like I'm watching a leftwing TV writer's wet dream of what he wished TV news would actually be. For example, everytime Jeff Daniels interviews someone on air, they blindly walk right into his rhetorical traps. That wouldn't happen in real life, but he helps Sorkin make his points, so it happens over and over

Jeff Daniels is pretty good in the role though. Hard to believe it's the same guy from Dumb & Dumber.
 
2012-07-17 10:58:24 AM

TheHappTroll: Why would you say Kansas is a shiathole?


I spent a weekend in Kansas once. Won't be doing that again, there are interesting places in the world to spend your time. But to be fair, I do like it better than Texas and Memphis Tennessee, which is really a hell hole.
 
2012-07-17 11:00:20 AM

Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Why would you say Kansas is a shiathole?

I spent a weekend in Kansas once. Won't be doing that again, there are interesting places in the world to spend your time. But to be fair, I do like it better than Texas and Memphis Tennessee, which is really a hell hole.


One man's shiathole is another man's paradise. (And i don't mean that in a gay way).
 
2012-07-17 11:02:25 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Confabulat: TheHappTroll: Why would you say Kansas is a shiathole?

I spent a weekend in Kansas once. Won't be doing that again, there are interesting places in the world to spend your time. But to be fair, I do like it better than Texas and Memphis Tennessee, which is really a hell hole.

One man's shiathole is another man's paradise. (And i don't mean that in a gay way).


Exactly. Which is why wondering if the USA is "the greatest country in the world" makes the wonderer a complete idiot. We're just a bunch of people. We're not special and God does not care about us. It's amazing you have to explain this to adults in 2012.
 
2012-07-17 11:05:14 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Words


Here here
 
2012-07-17 11:06:56 AM

eurotrader: Al Jazeera is the closest thing to a news channel in the US


I blame Obama.
 
2012-07-17 11:09:05 AM

Confabulat: toddism: Liberal wanks believe in equality of results. The rest believe in equality of opportunity.

This means absolutely nothing to sane people, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for thinking you are deep.


who said anything about deep? i just don't believe in equality of results.
 
2012-07-17 11:09:47 AM

oldtraveler: Not having known the context of this (that it was plucked from some t.v. series episode), it really did seem "over the top" to me. The writer makes a point, though at great expense. Why take cheap pot shots at stereotypes of sorority girls? Why lead your viewers with staged and rather transparent impressions suggested by an audience of actors? Even if I agree with the writer's points, it doesn't seem like a good way to assert them. Sadly, though, I can't say that I see much of anything that's above-board and honest in the political ads that are foisted upon us, as if they were real political discourse.


Right. Good speech, but in reality he would have been shouted down and/or talked over by the other panelists the entire time. No way they would let him have one dramatic, reflective pause let alone a handful. This is also part of our problem.
 
2012-07-17 11:09:57 AM
I do find it very interesting that the United States seems to be the country most concerned with "patriotism". Brits I have worked with seem amazed that we play the National Anthem at all major sporting events.
 
2012-07-17 11:15:49 AM

TheHappTroll: I do find it very interesting that the United States seems to be the country most concerned with "patriotism". Brits I have worked with seem amazed that we play the National Anthem at all major sporting events.


That coming from a country that creamed over a boat doing a 360 on the Thames in front of the Queen...
 
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