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2012-07-17 11:22:29 AM  
The excess weight gives her a larger cross section through which she can apply force. It makes moving power from the legs and hamstrings a lot safer and more stable.

MycroftHolmes: She doesn't look much different (taking into account the differences between male and female physiology) than many NFL line men.


I honestly don't see the point in women's Olympic events for this kind of thing though. Bravo you're the best you can be. You wouldn't QUALIFY for the men's competition but here's your gold medal!
 
Biv
2012-07-17 11:24:54 AM  

incendi: Brian Shaw, the guy in the article Rincewind53 referenced, eats like this:

"As far as nutrition, I wake up and normally have a shake then have breakfast. I go back and forth between shakes and meals. I normally drink MHP Up Your Mass, which is my standard shake and has a little more calories and is a gainer shake with calories. I'll typically have 3-4 of those MHP Up Your Mass shakes a day and then also 4-5 different meals broken up every 2 to 2 ½ hours a day. A typical meal is either beef or chicken for me. I normally do half pound to three quarters of a pound of meat and then carbohydrates such as: rice, whole-wheat pasta or yams or something like that. I also have milk with all of these meals for the extra calories. The part that I fault on is getting vegetables in, I know that I need to get that in but it always tends to fall back onto protein and carbs."

He looks like this:
[www.topmuscle.net image 322x258]

Nobody's denying this girls brutally strong. But for her to be training at the level she is, and still be that fat, takes some serious dedication to eating or some sort of metabolic mishap.


I think you making the mistake of direct comparison between male and female bodies. I don't think a woman can get that strong, and consume enough fuel to sustain it, without gaining that much weight. Their metabolisms just don't work like ours do.
 
2012-07-17 11:25:01 AM  
She'll do press-ups and chin-ups. Do the snatch, clean, and jerk. She thinks dynamic tension must be hard work....

/dig it.
//if you can.
 
2012-07-17 11:30:12 AM  
How dare you subby!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!
 
2012-07-17 11:30:37 AM  

MycroftHolmes: She doesn't look much different (taking into account the differences between male and female physiology) than many NFL line men.

I am not sure what your point is, but you are coming off as judgmental and critical. If your only point is that she eats a lot, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Weight is not necesarily a penalty in this type of lifting, so I am not sure the grounds of your criticism.


I'm not saying she's a bad person, jeez. I'm saying it's weird. Olympic level weightlifting is some intense shiat, that requires a lot of training over a long period of time. It's strange that someone could get that fat while doing that sort of training. It's almost impossible to eat enough while you're training like that, much less overeat to the point of gaining a lot of excess fat. Hence, either she's eating really unhealthily (unlikely, as that would probably impact performance, but possible), or she's got some sort of wonky metabolic thing going on.

s1.assets.usoc.org

There's the other superheavyweight that qualified. Not trim by any means, but that's what I expect to see when discussing people who spend most of their time throwing around huge weights. Built like a brick shiathouse. What I'm NOT saying is that the other girl is a bad weightlifter or shouldn't be on the team because she's fat. It's just weird.
 
2012-07-17 11:32:00 AM  
Yay! I think I saw her on MTV's True Life where she was trying to become an Olympic weightlifter, but didn't quite make the team. Very cool that she stuck with it and is heading to the Olympics. Seems like a cool chick, too. :)
 
2012-07-17 11:32:32 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Mi-ran Jang is Korean, not Chinese. She doesn't have anywhere near the gut or body fat of Mangold.

/met her flying to Korea once, she's a nice person and was able to suggest a good gym I could visit while I was in Seoul


Sorry, you're right. I wrote too quickly, My point was more that she's better, lighter, and it might behoove Holly to move that way. Mangold did just start training though, she expected to be in the next olympics, not these.
 
2012-07-17 11:32:43 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-17 11:33:49 AM  

FishyFred: Wookie Milson: FishyFred: Wookie Milson: Almost as pretty as her brother:
[media.nj.com image 432x337]

For real? Huh. No shiat.

You'd think he would give her some support here.

There was a pretty good interview with the two of them during one of the pre-game shows last season. Can't remember which show, but it was probably Countdown.

I mean monetary support. I read somewhere that she was trying to raise money -- just a few hundred or a few thousand dollars -- to actually get to London. And that her stipend from USA Weightlifting was a few hundred dollars per month.


She may have been trying to raise money to support her during training and competition, to essentially become a full-time weightlifter. Now that she's made the team, the USOC is paying her way. I may have read your post too literally though.

For most amateur athletes in the Olympic system, the national OCs or their national sport bodies pay them stipends through a carding system. The amount they get depends on their competition level and history of success. If you're American and you win medals, you can expect to get private sponsorship deals. I hope she wins a gold just so we can find out if MacDonald's will fork over some dough to get her in their adds...
 
2012-07-17 11:33:58 AM  

incendi: Hence, either she's eating really unhealthily (unlikely, as that would probably impact performance, but possible), or she's got some sort of wonky metabolic thing going on.


Oh, I left off "or is eating healthily to a degree of excess that must be almost physically painful". That's a LOT of food.
 
2012-07-17 11:41:54 AM  
The US didn't even medal in 2008 for weight lifting. Does she actually have any chance of winning?
 
2012-07-17 11:43:30 AM  

Carth: The US didn't even medal in 2008 for weight lifting. Does she actually have any chance of winning?


"For Mangold, making the Olympic team means she now the real work begins.

"I'd really like to hit over 270 total," she said (which would put her in bronze-medal range). "That's reaching but I will work very hard to make that happen.""

I'm gonna go with probably not. But we'll at least have a good showing.
 
2012-07-17 11:46:18 AM  

Super_pope: The excess weight gives her a larger cross section through which she can apply force. It makes moving power from the legs and hamstrings a lot safer and more stable.

MycroftHolmes: She doesn't look much different (taking into account the differences between male and female physiology) than many NFL line men.

I honestly don't see the point in women's Olympic events for this kind of thing though. Bravo you're the best you can be. You wouldn't QUALIFY for the men's competition but here's your gold medal!


Why have any women's events at all, then? It's a bit unfair to say that women don't deserve to compete with each other because men are better at the same activity. Of course she wouldn't qualify for the mens' competition - men are physically stronger than women and compete at a different level accordingly. Plenty of women watch the Olympics and enjoy having other women they can cheer for. If you think their events should be limited to ones where they can look graceful and sexy, just don't watch women's events and pull up some porn instead.
 
2012-07-17 11:47:54 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE!
 
2012-07-17 11:48:24 AM  
Top of her head looks good.
 
Biv
2012-07-17 11:49:51 AM  
I'd hit it just to say I banged an Olympian.
 
2012-07-17 11:50:07 AM  

Station: Holly Mangold is pretty awesome, but she could probably do better if she lost SOME mass. Her division is superheavyweight, which is only 75kg+, and the two lifts are easier if you have slightly less...erm, "stuff" in the way. I believe the best lifter could be argued to be the Russian Olha or maybe the Chinese Jan Miran, who is 275 lbs. Mangold is 300ish, probably a little more. I would put her frame more into the "powerlifter" style, but you can't deny her strength. It's just the nature of the beast at that weight that you will be so large.


Olha's Ukrainian.
 
2012-07-17 11:50:08 AM  

Starhawk: MrBallou:Careful. She can snap you like a toothpick.

She'd have to catch him first.


The gravity would pull him in.
 
2012-07-17 11:50:23 AM  
Yes...yes. She will do. Bathe her, and bring her to me.
 
2012-07-17 11:52:09 AM  
I knew her and her brother Nick when they were toddlers - used to work for their dad. In fact, took a ton of road trips with her uncle when we did service calls.

/csb
 
2012-07-17 11:52:12 AM  

Carth: The US didn't even medal in 2008 for weight lifting. Does she actually have any chance of winning?


You really want to know the answer to that question....well....I warned you.

Link

It is quite a read. Also, he states in one part how crossfit might save US oly, which is both sad and hilarious at the same time.
 
2012-07-17 11:54:16 AM  

Heron: Station: Holly Mangold is pretty awesome, but she could probably do better if she lost SOME mass. Her division is superheavyweight, which is only 75kg+, and the two lifts are easier if you have slightly less...erm, "stuff" in the way. I believe the best lifter could be argued to be the Russian Olha or maybe the Chinese Jan Miran, who is 275 lbs. Mangold is 300ish, probably a little more. I would put her frame more into the "powerlifter" style, but you can't deny her strength. It's just the nature of the beast at that weight that you will be so large.

Olha's Ukrainian.


Yeah I was typing fast. She was born in the USSR, which always fast reads to "Ruskie". So other than nit picking, what's your point?
 
2012-07-17 11:55:56 AM  

ZipSplat: Is this a new old meme on Fark? Calling unattractive women "hotties"?


/FTFY
//old meme is old
 
2012-07-17 11:56:46 AM  

Rincewind53: I read a very good article about the World's Strongest Man yesterday, and in the article he talked about how the extra weight is actually a necessity for weighlifters. The fat provides padding against the abuse that occurs when the weights bump into the body, but more importantly, it's necessary as counterweight. Apparently it would actually be impossible to lift higher weights if you were lighter, because you would just tip over without the anchor of more pounds.


From my limited understanding and experience of olympic lifts via crossfit, you have core muscles that are utilised to provide balance. Instead of fat as counterweight, strengthening those core muscles will help. And fat may actually be harmful, as the heavier you are, the more weight those core muscles have to keep balanced.

Also, olympic lifts demand great flexibility. The overhead squat part of the snatch requires tremendous flexibility and the clean requires speed and agility. Fat inhibits both. But then again, japanese sumo wrestlers can do full splits.
 
2012-07-17 12:01:07 PM  

aftermath: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x411]

SHOW ME YOUR WHAR PUDDING? FACE!

 
2012-07-17 12:02:38 PM  

incendi: "I'd really like to hit over 270 total,"


270kg = 595lbs, so about 300 each for snatch and clean & jerk.
 
2012-07-17 12:03:30 PM  
Now THAT'S a whole lotta woman!

Seriously-- I wish her the best in the Olympics and afterwards I hope she lets her body get down to a more healthy fat level.


/I'm a fatty myself, but steadily losing weight with swimming and Weight Watchers.
 
2012-07-17 12:03:33 PM  
What's interesting is that her best total is less than the world record for women half her size. The US is horrible at weightlifting.

We literally haven't come home with a medal since the LA Olympucs that the Soviet Bloc boycotted.
 
2012-07-17 12:05:19 PM  

incendi: I'm not saying she's a bad person, jeez. I'm saying it's weird.


You understand how some people could take the following comment as judgemental or deragtory:

You're an olympic athlete, you should not look like that. Either there is something wrong with you, or you are doing something horribly wrong dietarily.

So, in short, stop being a jackhole.
 
2012-07-17 12:05:31 PM  

Wookie Milson: Almost as pretty as her brother:
[media.nj.com image 432x337]


Ahhhhhh, took one look at that boy and knew immediately: it's the viking blood. I'm half the girl's size (which is still large in the arse, believe you me) and love lifting, but I got the Scotsman blood. Real good Highlander stuff. Thick like my thighs, but still not nearly as good as that viking blood is. That stuff gives you strength like a motherlover.
 
2012-07-17 12:10:10 PM  

SlothB77: Rincewind53: I read a very good article about the World's Strongest Man yesterday, and in the article he talked about how the extra weight is actually a necessity for weighlifters. The fat provides padding against the abuse that occurs when the weights bump into the body, but more importantly, it's necessary as counterweight. Apparently it would actually be impossible to lift higher weights if you were lighter, because you would just tip over without the anchor of more pounds.

From my limited understanding and experience of olympic lifts via crossfit, you have core muscles that are utilised to provide balance. Instead of fat as counterweight, strengthening those core muscles will help. And fat may actually be harmful, as the heavier you are, the more weight those core muscles have to keep balanced.

Also, olympic lifts demand great flexibility. The overhead squat part of the snatch requires tremendous flexibility and the clean requires speed and agility. Fat inhibits both. But then again, japanese sumo wrestlers can do full splits.


No offense, but Crossfit has a pretty bad understanding of the mechanics of the classical lifts. There are a few individual Crossfitters with weightlifting backgrounds who are great instructors, but your average box.coach with his one day cert is probably not a worthwhile resource for the lifts.

Weightlifting does require flexibility, but fat doesn't inhibit it. There's a reason that the weightlifters with the highest totals also have the highest bodyfat %.
 
2012-07-17 12:15:09 PM  
in the first pic from the article... why does she wear a fanny-pack when she lifts?
 
2012-07-17 12:15:35 PM  

Sir Digby: I have nothing against her, her weight or anything else. Good on her for making the Olympics which is more than I will ever do.

But, she is gonna look pretty goofy in that stewardess uniform Ralph Lauren made for her.


She was actually on the local news last week complaining about the skirts and blazers thing. She wasn't really pleased with it at all.
 
2012-07-17 12:16:27 PM  

Station: ha-ha-guy: Mi-ran Jang is Korean, not Chinese. She doesn't have anywhere near the gut or body fat of Mangold.

/met her flying to Korea once, she's a nice person and was able to suggest a good gym I could visit while I was in Seoul

Sorry, you're right. I wrote too quickly, My point was more that she's better, lighter, and it might behoove Holly to move that way. Mangold did just start training though, she expected to be in the next olympics, not these.


Holly definitely needs to do something. Miran Jang does a total of 700+ lbs. Holly has yet to break the 600 lbs mark. It suggests the pool of talent in America isn't that deep if she can make it despite being over 100 lbs behind the world record. For Chinese you might have been thinking of Mu Shuangshuang but she's missed the last two Olympics.

/female powerlifting seems to be mostly an East Asian and Eastern European area of success
 
2012-07-17 12:17:16 PM  

MycroftHolmes: incendi: I'm not saying she's a bad person, jeez. I'm saying it's weird.

You understand how some people could take the following comment as judgemental or deragtory:

You're an olympic athlete, you should not look like that. Either there is something wrong with you, or you are doing something horribly wrong dietarily.

So, in short, stop being a jackhole.


Yeah, the dude's kind of an idiot. She's going to the Olympics while you're whining on Fark. But yeah, I'm sure you know better than her :)
 
2012-07-17 12:18:15 PM  

Station: Holly Mangold is pretty awesome, but she could probably do better if she lost SOME mass. Her division is superheavyweight, which is only 75kg+, and the two lifts are easier if you have slightly less...erm, "stuff" in the way. I believe the best lifter could be argued to be the Russian Olha or maybe the Chinese Jan Miran, who is 275 lbs. Mangold is 300ish, probably a little more. I would put her frame more into the "powerlifter" style, but you can't deny her strength. It's just the nature of the beast at that weight that you will be so large.


article lists her weight as 350 lbs.
/stone... what a stupid unit of measure...
 
2012-07-17 12:18:40 PM  

MycroftHolmes: You understand how some people could take the following comment as judgemental or deragtory:

You're an olympic athlete, you should not look like that. Either there is something wrong with you, or you are doing something horribly wrong dietarily.

So, in short, stop being a jackhole.


I guess there's a white knight for everybody out there.
 
2012-07-17 12:19:41 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Station: ha-ha-guy: Mi-ran Jang is Korean, not Chinese. She doesn't have anywhere near the gut or body fat of Mangold.

/met her flying to Korea once, she's a nice person and was able to suggest a good gym I could visit while I was in Seoul

Sorry, you're right. I wrote too quickly, My point was more that she's better, lighter, and it might behoove Holly to move that way. Mangold did just start training though, she expected to be in the next olympics, not these.

Holly definitely needs to do something. Miran Jang does a total of 700+ lbs. Holly has yet to break the 600 lbs mark. It suggests the pool of talent in America isn't that deep if she can make it despite being over 100 lbs behind the world record. For Chinese you might have been thinking of Mu Shuangshuang but she's missed the last two Olympics.

/female powerlifting seems to be mostly an East Asian and Eastern European area of success


Yeah, the US, both male and female, suck ass at weightlifting.

Powerlifting is actually a different sport, though.
 
2012-07-17 12:22:56 PM  

Station: crossfit


Crossfit: turning women into men and men into women since 1995.

Also soaks up the "dude-bros" away from my gym.
 
2012-07-17 12:24:04 PM  
25 stone? but how big are these stones? are they like rocks or BOULDERS??
 
2012-07-17 12:28:56 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: 25 stone? but how big are these stones? are they like rocks or BOULDERS??


14lbs
 
2012-07-17 12:30:11 PM  

incendi: MycroftHolmes: She doesn't look much different (taking into account the differences between male and female physiology) than many NFL line men.

I am not sure what your point is, but you are coming off as judgmental and critical. If your only point is that she eats a lot, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Weight is not necesarily a penalty in this type of lifting, so I am not sure the grounds of your criticism.

I'm not saying she's a bad person, jeez. I'm saying it's weird. Olympic level weightlifting is some intense shiat, that requires a lot of training over a long period of time. It's strange that someone could get that fat while doing that sort of training. It's almost impossible to eat enough while you're training like that, much less overeat to the point of gaining a lot of excess fat. Hence, either she's eating really unhealthily (unlikely, as that would probably impact performance, but possible), or she's got some sort of wonky metabolic thing going on.

[s1.assets.usoc.org image 548x730]

There's the other superheavyweight that qualified. Not trim by any means, but that's what I expect to see when discussing people who spend most of their time throwing around huge weights. Built like a brick shiathouse. What I'm NOT saying is that the other girl is a bad weightlifter or shouldn't be on the team because she's fat. It's just weird.


And that lifter is lifting 66% of the weight she is lifting. You know when you get down the the 75kg lifters they are pretty tone but they lift about half the weight she does.
 
2012-07-17 12:34:55 PM  

Kazrath: And that lifter is lifting 66% of the weight she is lifting. You know when you get down the the 75kg lifters they are pretty tone but they lift about half the weight she does.


That lifter is Robles. From the article I snagged that from:

"Robles only faltered on her second (of three) clean & jerks, finally clearing 144 kilos. Mangold then upped it to 145 - a personal record. With a higher snatch total - 114 kilos to Mangold's 110 - Robles won the competition. But both women met their ultimate goal: making the 2012 U.S. Olympic Team."

Same weight class, pretty darn close to the same weights lifted.
 
2012-07-17 12:39:34 PM  
I saw an article somewhere recently that claimed that one of the women weightlifters going to this olympics can outlift any of the men in her class. That might have referred to the same woman, I don't know, but can anyone verify that claim?
 
2012-07-17 12:43:40 PM  

pciszek: I saw an article somewhere recently that claimed that one of the women weightlifters going to this olympics can outlift any of the men in her class. That might have referred to the same woman, I don't know, but can anyone verify that claim?


That's technically true, but only because it's essentially a grand prix class. In other words, she's in the same weight class as men who weigh 50 lbs less than her.
 
2012-07-17 12:44:51 PM  

pciszek: I saw an article somewhere recently that claimed that one of the women weightlifters going to this olympics can outlift any of the men in her class. That might have referred to the same woman, I don't know, but can anyone verify that clam?


FTFE
 
2012-07-17 12:50:52 PM  

Sofa King Smart: Station: Holly Mangold is pretty awesome, but she could probably do better if she lost SOME mass. Her division is superheavyweight, which is only 75kg+, and the two lifts are easier if you have slightly less...erm, "stuff" in the way. I believe the best lifter could be argued to be the Russian Olha or maybe the Chinese Jan Miran, who is 275 lbs. Mangold is 300ish, probably a little more. I would put her frame more into the "powerlifter" style, but you can't deny her strength. It's just the nature of the beast at that weight that you will be so large.

article lists her weight as 350 lbs.
/stone... what a stupid unit of measure...


I thought I saw her last event weigh in closer to 310. I don't know if she just yo-yo's a lot. Either way, percentage of mass its killing her, but I suspect in 4 years we will see a much slimmer woman.
 
2012-07-17 12:51:13 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pciszek: I saw an article somewhere recently that claimed that one of the women weightlifters going to this olympics can outlift any of the men in her class. That might have referred to the same woman, I don't know, but can anyone verify that claim?

That's technically true, but only because it's essentially a grand prix class. In other words, she's in the same weight class as men who weigh 50 lbs less than her.


How does that work? Does "superheavyweight" mean (some number)-and-up? Is it the same for men? And are there less-than-superheavyweight lifters who can outlift the best of the superheavyweights?

Putting it another way, is there anyone competing in this year's olympics who can lift more weight (absolute, not relative) than she can?
 
2012-07-17 12:55:23 PM  

pciszek: How does that work? Does "superheavyweight" mean (some number)-and-up? Is it the same for men?


75kg+ is the highest weight class for women. It's 105kg+ for men.
 
2012-07-17 12:55:57 PM  

pciszek: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pciszek: I saw an article somewhere recently that claimed that one of the women weightlifters going to this olympics can outlift any of the men in her class. That might have referred to the same woman, I don't know, but can anyone verify that claim?

That's technically true, but only because it's essentially a grand prix class. In other words, she's in the same weight class as men who weigh 50 lbs less than her.

How does that work? Does "superheavyweight" mean (some number)-and-up? Is it the same for men? And are there less-than-superheavyweight lifters who can outlift the best of the superheavyweights?

Putting it another way, is there anyone competing in this year's olympics who can lift more weight (absolute, not relative) than she can?


Yeah, the highest weight class is open, for women its 75kg+, and the woman featured in the article is double that.
 
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