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(The Daily Beast)   The GOP has no moderate faction anymore. It's a rump amalgamation of plutocrats and the people who service their air conditioning   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 206
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2012-07-17 07:36:12 AM  
Subby, that has to be one of the best TF headlines I've read in a while.
 
2012-07-17 07:48:58 AM  
Why the fark is this news? Are there people out there that actually think there are moderate Republicans left?

Well, that's not quite true. They're just called Democrats now.
 
2012-07-17 07:49:04 AM  
subby didn't come up with it.

and to the author of linked dumbshiat article; we'll see in less than 4 months, in the mean time STFU, your an idiot.
 
2012-07-17 07:52:42 AM  
The author of said "dumbshiat article" is wrong on one thing, Nate Silver now has Obama at 298.9. It seems Mitt's shenanigans at Bain did not go over well in Ohiio.
 
2012-07-17 07:54:35 AM  
I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.
 
2012-07-17 08:03:48 AM  

EatTheWorld: subby didn't come up with it.

and to the author of linked dumbshiat article; we'll see in less than 4 months, in the mean time STFU, your you're an idiot.


FTFY, and that was a fine point by point critique of said dumbshiat article. I don't think you fully explained yourself though, I'll wait.

/btw, you sound butthurt
 
2012-07-17 08:18:09 AM  

EatTheWorld: your an idiot.


bwahahahahahaha
 
2012-07-17 08:32:56 AM  

EatTheWorld: your an a idiot


pet peeve
 
2012-07-17 08:33:21 AM  

James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.


I got this badge of honor for challenging their ideas
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-17 09:09:35 AM  

EatTheWorld: subby didn't come up with it.

and to the author of linked dumbshiat article; we'll see in less than 4 months, in the mean time STFU, your an idiot.


With whom? Romney?? hahahaha.
 
2012-07-17 09:46:49 AM  
FTA: The race is close, and of course Romney has a decent shot at winning. But the fact is that by every measure, he's behind. He's behind, a little, in national polls. He's behind by more in the swing states.

This is Mitt's race to win, if he isn't leading significantly going into the general, he's not going to survive the debates. He had issues in some of the early GOP debates against teabaggers who picked the most obvious lines of attack, and he wasn't capable enough to deal with it. He practiced up and won, but the primary was a lot bloodier than it should have been.

Throwing him up against Obama in a real debate is going to be like putting someone in a wheelchair on American Gladiators.
 
2012-07-17 09:46:55 AM  

EatTheWorld: subby didn't come up with it.

and to the author of linked dumbshiat article; we'll see in less than 4 months, in the mean time STFU, your an idiot.


My AC is acting up again.
 
2012-07-17 09:50:27 AM  

James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.


the freepers are nuts. as this article suggests - they've decided that culture is more important than economics, so the deal is that the corporations running the GOP get to loot and pillage at will just so long as the rank and file get to stop abortion, continue the war on drugs and have Jesus in public schools.

problem is...people LIKE having jobs. they LIKE owning a house, being able to feed themselves and their kids. They don't like the culture the GOP rank and file want to inflict on the country. Plus, it helps that Romney is rather...stupid. I almost hate to say it but the man is destroying his own campaign right now.
 
2012-07-17 09:50:48 AM  

Krymson Tyde: James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.

I got this badge of honor for challenging their ideas
[i232.photobucket.com image 300x450]


Ok, I'll bite, Whats the story behind this?

Tell me your cool story bro! :3
 
2012-07-17 09:50:50 AM  
Fish is an apt analogy for Romney's campaign. The longer it's out in the air, the more it smells and becomes unattractive, and the fewer people want it.

/I'm not voting for fish
 
2012-07-17 09:52:38 AM  

GAT_00: Why the fark is this news? Are there people out there that actually think there are moderate Republicans left?

Well, that's not quite true. They're just called Democrats now.


that's how i became a democrat. my views havr been pretty consistent, but the gop just went insane.
 
2012-07-17 09:53:42 AM  

Krymson Tyde: James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.

I got this badge of honor for challenging their ideas


I made a troll account over there with the intent to see how easily they could be manipulated. I asserted that "we" should stick to fact-based arguments, and all this stuff about Obama building FEMA death camps was beneath "us" and offensive to the legacy of great conservatives like Buckley.

I was banned less than 2 minutes after that post.
 
2012-07-17 09:54:20 AM  

Raharu: Krymson Tyde: James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.

I got this badge of honor for challenging their ideas
[i232.photobucket.com image 300x450]

Ok, I'll bite, Whats the story behind this?

Tell me your cool story bro! :3


What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.
 
2012-07-17 09:54:40 AM  

MorrisBird: The author of said "dumbshiat article" is wrong on one thing, Nate Silver now has Obama at 298.9. It seems Mitt's shenanigans at Bain did not go over well in Ohiio.


Silver's projections have Obama winning but the popular vote is predicted to be very close. I know we have lots of air conditioners in this country but the crazy apparently extends a good bit further than that.
 
2012-07-17 09:54:45 AM  

sprawl15: FTA: The race is close, and of course Romney has a decent shot at winning. But the fact is that by every measure, he's behind. He's behind, a little, in national polls. He's behind by more in the swing states.

This is Mitt's race to win, if he isn't leading significantly going into the general, he's not going to survive the debates. He had issues in some of the early GOP debates against teabaggers who picked the most obvious lines of attack, and he wasn't capable enough to deal with it. He practiced up and won, but the primary was a lot bloodier than it should have been.

Throwing him up against Obama in a real debate is going to be like putting someone in a wheelchair on American Gladiators.


Man, I miss that show. Two Scoops was farking awesome. Come to think of it, wasn't Two Scoops a black guy?

Holy shiat. I just got it. President Obama is Two Scoops! His trollerific performances of late make so much more sense now.
 
2012-07-17 09:55:02 AM  

EatTheWorld: subby didn't come up with it.

and to the author of linked dumbshiat article; we'll see in less than 4 months, in the mean time STFU, your an idiot.


Thanks for explaining in explicit detail why that was a dumbshiat article. I'll be looking for the sequel entitled "Why that negro sucks in 140 characters or less."
 
2012-07-17 09:56:10 AM  
Mitt might win. A presidential election is a menu with only two options, meat and fish. And if fish has $1.5 billion behind it, and is financing a successful drive to keep meat supporters from being able to vote in key states, then fish can pull out a victory.

That's basically what the GOP are reduced to at this point. Spending obscene amounts of cash and suppressing voter turnout with their usual dirty tricks and hoping enough Americans are stupid enough to buy into their BS 1.5 Billion dollar narrative and vote against their own economic self interests one more time.

So much fail.
 
2012-07-17 09:57:26 AM  

Bloody William: What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.



So if I were to go make an account on Free Republic, and state something like, I don't think President Obama is trying to destroy the country, and that hes just a moron, I could get banned?
 
2012-07-17 09:57:57 AM  
The GOP needs to jettison the Tea Party and the morons still left over from that time, but more likely is that Obama's success will spread through the ballot and Republicans will weaken and fracture. Time and time again, we've seen that conservatives don't take the next step until they are smacked with reality, and an Obama/Dem win will hopefully be that smack. If not, God help us all.
 
2012-07-17 09:58:07 AM  
Ric Romero writes for The Daily Beast now?
 
2012-07-17 09:58:13 AM  

sprawl15: FTA: The race is close, and of course Romney has a decent shot at winning. But the fact is that by every measure, he's behind. He's behind, a little, in national polls. He's behind by more in the swing states.

This is Mitt's race to win, if he isn't leading significantly going into the general, he's not going to survive the debates. He had issues in some of the early GOP debates against teabaggers who picked the most obvious lines of attack, and he wasn't capable enough to deal with it. He practiced up and won, but the primary was a lot bloodier than it should have been.

Throwing him up against Obama in a real debate is going to be like putting someone in a wheelchair on American Gladiators.


the Republican tendency to simply quash dissident ideas without actually confronting them has not helped to make them better at debate. when you can simply fire people who disagree with you, you stop really thinking your ideas through...you just assume that you are always correct. this attitude does not serve you well when you are put into a situation where you no longer have absolute control and are on a level playing field with a well motivated and prepared opponent.
 
2012-07-17 09:58:34 AM  

sprawl15: FTA: The race is close, and of course Romney has a decent shot at winning. But the fact is that by every measure, he's behind. He's behind, a little, in national polls. He's behind by more in the swing states.

This is Mitt's race to win, if he isn't leading significantly going into the general, he's not going to survive the debates. He had issues in some of the early GOP debates against teabaggers who picked the most obvious lines of attack, and he wasn't capable enough to deal with it. He practiced up and won, but the primary was a lot bloodier than it should have been.

Throwing him up against Obama in a real debate is going to be like putting someone in a wheelchair on American Gladiators.


Keep in mind that he got a pass in the primaries once Santorum had to drop out of the race. He hasn't had to deal with any real opposition in months.

He's behind now in national polling and in Electoral Vote (state-by-state) polling. He's going to get thrashed in the debates because he just can't think on his feet ("Lemon. Wet. Good.") and can't deal with criticism.

And the Bain Capital attacks are working.
 
2012-07-17 09:58:37 AM  
The best way to use a Plutocrat's rump:

pinpics.com
 
2012-07-17 09:59:43 AM  
I wonder if Harry Tuttle knows about this.

/hopefully not obscure
 
2012-07-17 09:59:53 AM  

EatTheWorld: your an idiot.


What about his an idiot?
 
2012-07-17 10:00:08 AM  

Dog Welder:

And the Bain Capital attacks are working.


yup. And I think the Romney plan is to ignore them and hope they go away.
 
2012-07-17 10:00:53 AM  
FTFA: A presidential election is a menu with only two options, meat and fish. And if fish has $1.5 billion behind it, and is financing a successful drive to keep meat supporters from being able to vote in key states, then fish can pull out a victory.

This is the shiat I'm most worried about. With those bastards I've learned you can be sure they'll never play fair and square.
 
2012-07-17 10:00:55 AM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: Krymson Tyde: James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.

I got this badge of honor for challenging their ideas

I made a troll account over there with the intent to see how easily they could be manipulated. I asserted that "we" should stick to fact-based arguments, and all this stuff about Obama building FEMA death camps was beneath "us" and offensive to the legacy of great conservatives like Buckley.

I was banned less than 2 minutes after that post.


Addressing both points. I had a troll account over there in which I would accuse anyone seeming slightly moderate of being a RINO and encourage others to pile on them. It worked every time.

It's the tendency of like-minded groups to become more extreme - also called group polarization. The most extreme people talk the most and get the most attention, thereby cementing that extremism is the route to power and attention within the group and shifting the group to a more extreme viewpoint.

It's how you get groups like the Weathermen out of the SDS or the ELF out of the environmentalist movement.
 
2012-07-17 10:01:10 AM  

Bloody William: Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.


My favorite Freeper post at the moment, from this thread:

"Obama was not the president, is not now the president and never will be the president. In the future historians will write about and analyze the years without a president, 09 through 12.
There is a silver lining to the recent past. Obama's attempted destruction of this nation has prompted the start of a purge of the Fabians and similar slime from politics. This purge if continued will in twenty years result in a strong and revitalized nation where socialists/communists are properly ridiculed."
 
2012-07-17 10:01:19 AM  

Raharu: Bloody William: What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.


So if I were to go make an account on Free Republic, and state something like, I don't think President Obama is trying to destroy the country, and that hes just a moron, I could get banned?


You could probably get banned for saying that you think President Obama is merely trying to damage America rather than trying to outright destroy it.
 
2012-07-17 10:02:08 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican tendency to simply quash dissident ideas without actually confronting them has not helped to make them better at debate. when you can simply fire people who disagree with you, you stop really thinking your ideas through...you just assume that you are always correct. this attitude does not serve you well when you are put into a situation where you no longer have absolute control and are on a level playing field with a well motivated and prepared opponent.


Yup. To totally demolish someone's arguments, you have to understand them...and they've fostered this bizarre heresy gospel where anything liberal shouldn't even be thought about - it will corrupt a Real American into a hippie.

Dog Welder: Keep in mind that he got a pass in the primaries once Santorum had to drop out of the race. He hasn't had to deal with any real opposition in months.


I think the hardest opposition he's had to face so far is Newt, and Newt wasn't even running. He was on an extended book tour.
 
2012-07-17 10:02:40 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican tendency to simply quash dissident ideas without actually confronting them has not helped to make them better at debate. when you can simply fire people who disagree with you, you stop really thinking your ideas through...you just assume that you are always correct. this attitude does not serve you well when you are put into a situation where you no longer have absolute control and are on a level playing field with a well motivated and prepared opponent.


The problem is their echo chamber that they crafted over the last 30 years to try and deliver a consistent message that could frame everything according to their worldview. It grew, and became a larger and more effective means of delivering an ideological worldview, and when infused with Murdoch's money it got so big and powerful that it got out of control. When the chair of your party tells people not to pay attention to a talking head, and then has to apologize for doing so? Of course you're going to lose more moderate elements, because you've been telling your base that ideological conformity is more important than the ability to govern, because the ability to govern is way too nuanced for AM radio or 24-hour cable news.
 
2012-07-17 10:03:10 AM  

Bloody William:

What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.


Freep bannination for unacceptable spelling or variant of 0bummer.
 
2012-07-17 10:03:14 AM  

Raharu: Bloody William: What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.


So if I were to go make an account on Free Republic, and state something like, I don't think President Obama is trying to destroy the country, and that hes just a moron, I could get banned?


In less than five minutes.
 
2012-07-17 10:04:59 AM  

EngineerAU: MorrisBird: The author of said "dumbshiat article" is wrong on one thing, Nate Silver now has Obama at 298.9. It seems Mitt's shenanigans at Bain did not go over well in Ohiio.

Silver's projections have Obama winning but the popular vote is predicted to be very close. I know we have lots of air conditioners in this country but the crazy apparently extends a good bit further than that.


If the election was held today, Romney will win huge landslides in the South and much of the West, but he'll lose democratic strongholds by a fair margin and most of the swing states by a slim margin. The result is a close popular election, which means nothing, and a landslide electoral count victory for Obama.
 
2012-07-17 10:05:07 AM  

James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.


There is bipartisan consensus that every lost election was because the party wasn't conservative enough.
 
2012-07-17 10:05:08 AM  
I really do think that Romney's biggest handicap is that he's simply not used to thinking on his feet. he's used to being in complete control of everything around him...and that's not an environment conducive to a sharp and agile mind. this bain capital thing is kicking his ass and he can't seem to get out in front of it, so he's basically going to ignore it as much as possible. I have NO idea what's up with the tax return thing...but he sure seems afraid of that as well. Romney's essentially self destructing....or heading that way anyways...and we're no where near to election day.

I'm not saying Romney's stupid...but he sure is trying to convince me that he's stupid. And that both puzzles and amazes me. He simply should not be having this much trouble this soon.
 
2012-07-17 10:05:25 AM  

Weaver95: when you can simply fire people who disagree with you, you stop really thinking your ideas through...you just assume that you are always correct.


So again, as we saw yesterday, Romney is the politics version of George Lucas, and this election his campaign is going full Crystal Skull.
 
2012-07-17 10:06:10 AM  

Ned Stark: James F. Campbell: I've read Freeper threads. They think the problem is that the Republican party is not conservative enough. They believe that more ideological purity will fix things. It's a regular witch-hunt over there in crazyville. They're banning people who support Romney at this point.

There is bipartisan consensus that every lost election was because the party wasn't conservative enough.


Bipartisan? Like, insane and clinically insane?
 
2012-07-17 10:07:18 AM  
Rick Romero reporting.
 
2012-07-17 10:07:29 AM  

Weaver95: I'm not saying Romney's stupid...but he sure is trying to convince me that he's stupid. And that both puzzles and amazes me. He simply should not be having this much trouble this soon.


Upon reflection maybe he's counting on outrage fatigue. Get everyone freaked out as early as possible so by the time the election comes, whatever comes out people go "meh whatever" and forget/no longer feel whatever made them cross party lines to vote Obama.
 
2012-07-17 10:08:06 AM  

Bloody William: Raharu: Bloody William: What story? If you disagree with anything on Free Republic, you get banned. They're paranoid and immediately remove any user who seems the slightest bit not completely hateful of all things liberal.

I'm not exaggerating. Go to Free Republic and try to post the most benign thing you can think of that disagrees with the premise that Obama wants to destroy America.


So if I were to go make an account on Free Republic, and state something like, I don't think President Obama is trying to destroy the country, and that hes just a moron, I could get banned?

In less than five minutes.


I am so on this.

Also I found this in the registration text.

Suitability of Posts: Free Republic does not edit or censor user posts but does reserve the right to remove what it deems to be (in its own judgment) inappropriate posts or materials.

We don't censor posts, except when we do.

Thats some grade A+ doublethink there.
 
2012-07-17 10:08:38 AM  

Dog Welder: I wonder if Harry Tuttle knows about this.

/hopefully not obscure


We're all in this together, kid.
 
2012-07-17 10:08:47 AM  
FTA:I think they're entirely rational and have decided that culture is more important to them than economics, and so they've thrown in with the GOP on cultural grounds

Which is another of the contradictictory* belief of Republicans. The Party Heads call for a return to conservative family values. Some Leave-it-to-Beaveresque, American nuclear family norms. Which they make nearly impossible to have in the economic environment they foster. Much like the thread yesterday about Latinos putting elderly into old folks home. That's not based on buying into fading American Values, that's based on both parents out of the home working, and still raising kids and all the expenses in a country where the cost of living has steadily increased while average incomes have not. Non-rich that support the Republican party are either delusional about how soon they'll be vaulting into the ranks of the rich, or idiots.

*other contradictions:Obama is sekrit mooslim/radical christian, Obama is an empty suit/the most ingenious political schemer ever, UN is toothless and lacks power/except to take over America and remove our guns.
 
2012-07-17 10:08:48 AM  
The major problem I have with the Republicans is that they aren't even conservative anymore.

They just hate Obama, hate "socialists", hate liberals, hate gays and women and foreigners. They're xenophobic racists and proud of their ignorance.

They are an Id with no Ego or Superego.

There isn't anything "conservative" about them.
 
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