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(Tech Crunch)   Interesting: inventor has been wearing digital glasses for over 30 years. Scary: a man in McDonalds tries to forcibly remove his glasses. Asinine: they tear up his doctors letter about the glasses. Fail: His glasses recorded the whole thing   (techcrunch.com) divider line 59
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2012-07-17 01:08:36 PM  
7 votes:
Okay....I must be missing something here....Paris or US, McD's or BK, doctor's note or not....but why the fark did this happen and why are so many people in here acting like the attackers were completely justified? It's a serious question....why does he need to carry a Dr's note to where funky glasses, and why did these guys feel the overwhelming urge to rip them off?
2012-07-17 01:09:51 PM  
5 votes:

ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.


Agreed.

And furthermore, in France you cannot record private citizens going about their business without their express written consent, whether they are in a private place, such as Mcd's, or out in public.

The hell with him. If he feels he must record everything and everyone let him do it in countries like the UK or the US where citizens do not own the right to their own image.
2012-07-17 01:09:02 PM  
4 votes:

pudding7: "A doctor's note"? WTF, is this third grade? Like some McDonalds manager in Paris is going to give a shiat about your Canadian doctor's note about your weird camera-glasses.


I'm guessing he carries it around more for security reasons like if he needs to go through airport security, customs, interact with the police or if he were in a medical emergency.
2012-07-17 01:06:28 PM  
4 votes:
What the hell is up with these McDonalds? Who gives a crap if someone photographs their menu or not? Sounds like he should be filing assault charges for what happened to him. It is pretty stupid to have a conspicuous set of glasses / camera bolted to your skull though.
2012-07-17 01:05:40 PM  
4 votes:

misanthropologist: This is what happens when you do the low-class tourist thing. Why the fark would you bother with MacDonald's in Paris? Or anywhere for that matter...?


Seriously. 5 million and 1 places to eat in that city and he walks into a McDonald's??
He needs his eyes checked.
And his taste buds.
2012-07-17 01:04:25 PM  
4 votes:
I don't get it. Why did they do that? They must have had some reason that (at least in their minds) made sense at the time.
2012-07-17 12:56:07 PM  
4 votes:

ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.


go be a luddite somewhere else. the internet is recording all your activity. you should abstain from it.
2012-07-17 02:15:22 PM  
3 votes:

Weidbrewer: Okay....I must be missing something here....Paris or US, McD's or BK, doctor's note or not....but why the fark did this happen and why are so many people in here acting like the attackers were completely justified? It's a serious question....why does he need to carry a Dr's note to where funky glasses, and why did these guys feel the overwhelming urge to rip them off?


It's because they're attached semi-permanently. He can't remove them upon request. They apparently requires special tools to remove. The doctor's note is in the vain hope that authoritarian types can read a paragraph without losing their shiat.
2012-07-17 01:38:55 PM  
3 votes:

abfalter: On the other hand, I want to hate on this douchebag for recording people against their desire and having zero respect for privacy.


If you're out at a McDonald's in public, you have no privacy... and no expectation of privacy. Not to mention you're probably being recorded already. You'll notice it wasn't other customers who assaulted the guy, it was employees.

Businesses and governments like to record everything you do. They do NOT like it when the tables are turned. I'm on the side of the douche recording everything. If we're going to be recorded by governments and corporations, then we should be able to record as well. If you don't like being on video, then you better make your apartment into a nice hermit cave because chances are you get recorded almost every time you leave your house, and that's just going to get worse.
2012-07-17 01:26:34 PM  
3 votes:

abfalter: On the other hand, I want to hate on this douchebag for recording people against their desire and having zero respect for privacy.


Except that the glasses in question aren't designed as a recording device. It has a short buffer to *temporarily* save a few seconds of data prior to display (which is necessary in pretty much every device that acquires and displays data at different rates), but it's not like a camcorder where the data is intended to be fixed in some medium for any length of time. The only reason he has any video evidence at all is because these asshats *broke* the device and thus it stopped overwriting the existing data in the buffer.
2012-07-17 01:15:24 PM  
3 votes:

ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.


You farking luddites are a disgusting plague.
2012-07-17 12:42:47 PM  
3 votes:
Why?
2012-07-17 03:18:38 PM  
2 votes:

drxym: What the hell is up with these McDonalds? Who gives a crap if someone photographs their menu or not?


They choose to exercise their right to privacy, far more than we Americans do.

Sounds like he should be filing assault charges for what happened to him.

He did. The cops basically didn't care. Probably because he was technically in violation of laws regarding photography on private property. He also got no response from diplomats or politicians.

It is pretty stupid to have a conspicuous set of glasses / camera bolted to your skull though.

He's visually impaired, and is a pioneer of visual assistance technology. It's basically his bionic eye.
2012-07-17 01:33:42 PM  
2 votes:
images.wikia.com
Not amused.
/but probably would have killed them all in .73 seconds.
//Damn I wish I had shades like that. *snikt*
2012-07-17 01:05:19 PM  
2 votes:
The person in the center (Perpetrator 1) handed the materials I had given him to the person to my left (Perpetrator 2), while the three of them reviewed my doctor's letter and the documentation.
After all three of them reviewed this material, and deliberated on it for some time, Perpetrator 2 angrily crumpled and ripped up the letter from my doctor. My other documentation was also destroyed by Perpetrator 1.


/Having seen some of the mouth breathers that work at McDonalds, I'm shocked that they could recognize the alphabet, let alone read a note with (I'm sure) at least college level words and phrases on it.
2012-07-17 12:57:23 PM  
2 votes:
This is what happens when you do the low-class tourist thing. Why the fark would you bother with MacDonald's in Paris? Or anywhere for that matter...?
2012-07-17 12:55:14 PM  
2 votes:
This seems to be the most recent photo of his setup.

www.cbc.ca
2012-07-17 12:50:48 PM  
2 votes:
"A doctor's note"? WTF, is this third grade? Like some McDonalds manager in Paris is going to give a shiat about your Canadian doctor's note about your weird camera-glasses.
2012-07-17 12:26:29 PM  
2 votes:
Ba da ba ba ba, recording it!
2012-07-18 01:22:53 AM  
1 votes:
I will boycott McDonald's.

Given I haven't eaten that awful shiat in decades and wouldn't be caught dead in one, good as done.
2012-07-18 12:30:57 AM  
1 votes:

BigJT: What amuses me is that places like museums, which typically have quite strict rules about recording devices, didn't have any problems with his EyeTap, but a McD's did.

Another point of consideration for those that say, "They have the right to kick him out!" is that, yes, they do, and they chose not to when they first confronted him.
FTFA:
"I showed this doctor's letter and the documentation to the purported McDonalds employee who had stopped me in the McDonalds line.
"After reviewing the documentation, the purported McDonalds employee accepted me (and my family) as a customer, and left us to place our order."
It was only after he had been allowed to remain, ordered, sat down and then started eating that he was confronted again (more aggressively, according to his blog).


The thing is if you grab someone like that...it's assault(even in France). Even the kid with downs syndrome that Wendy's hires to sweep the floor understands that you can't just attack someone like that; which begs the question: who are the mouth breathers that McDonald's in Paris is hiring and with Paris' level of unemployment why can't they do better?
2012-07-17 09:55:50 PM  
1 votes:
What amuses me is that places like museums, which typically have quite strict rules about recording devices, didn't have any problems with his EyeTap, but a McD's did.

Another point of consideration for those that say, "They have the right to kick him out!" is that, yes, they do, and they chose not to when they first confronted him.
FTFA:
"I showed this doctor's letter and the documentation to the purported McDonalds employee who had stopped me in the McDonalds line.
"After reviewing the documentation, the purported McDonalds employee accepted me (and my family) as a customer, and left us to place our order.
"
It was only after he had been allowed to remain, ordered, sat down and then started eating that he was confronted again (more aggressively, according to his blog).
2012-07-17 08:42:13 PM  
1 votes:

pudding7: "A doctor's note"? WTF, is this third grade? Like some McDonalds manager in Paris is going to give a shiat about your Canadian doctor's note about your weird camera-glasses.


Doctor's notes come in handy for adults in a lot of situations, actually. In airports, for example, going through airport security, people who have had hip replacements or other such surgeries that would show up on x-rays can avoid a lot of trouble by carrying them. Also people that need to carry medicine with them as they travel, such as insulin (which requires both refrigeration and hypodermic syringes.) As I think has already been pointed out, Mann is from Canada and was travelling in France, so one expects encounters with airport security.
2012-07-17 08:23:43 PM  
1 votes:
farking fat fingers..posted before;

2. Their response is plain wrong. Did they have no other alternative? "Please, sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Oh, you refuse to leave? That's ok, I'll call the police. They have the authority to make you piss you pants."

Their opinion and comprehension of his activities are one issue, their response is another entirely. Just because someone is doing something you don't like doesn't mean you automatically get to do whatever you want to them.
2012-07-17 07:56:35 PM  
1 votes:

WordyGrrl: misanthropologist: This is what happens when you do the low-class tourist thing. Why the fark would you bother with MacDonald's in Paris? Or anywhere for that matter...?

Because low-class friends of said tourists don't know what an Arc de Triomphe or Louvre are and will not be interested in things they do not comprehend. But they DO know what a McDonald's is and will express curiosity about how the Parisian McDonald's is different from their neighborhood's McDonald's.

Still, anyone who skips out on trying real food when they're in one of the world's centers of great cuisine should be shot. Forced to eat 100 Royales with Cheese, and then shot again. And then guillotined.

/Did NOT go to McDonald's, but did have steak frites at a sidewalk cafe in Paris, and yes, the meal was sublime and inexpensive.


Give it a break hipster foodie. I've been to, Paris, Nice, and parts of the pyrenees, there is nothing special about french cuisine except the outrageous price and the shiat attitude of the servers like they're doing me a huge farking favor.
2012-07-17 07:11:03 PM  
1 votes:
WordyGrrlStill, anyone who skips out on trying real food when they're in one of the world's centers of great cuisine should be shot. Forced to eat 100 Royales with Cheese, and then shot again. And then guillotined.

I have to say, I just got back from France, and I ate at a variety of places... the food at places like Le Procope was quite nice, but if you weren't up for spending 50 euros every meal (and that's as a solo traveler, not for a couple or a family), the rest of the restaurant food was just 'eh' and not generally any better than what you get at the McDonalds.

If you're from some place in the US like Minnesota that doesn't have very good food I can see why you might be amazed by French cuisine, but all I can personally recommend out there is the pastries. I'm visiting Edinburgh, Scotland, now and have been having much tastier food here than I did in France.
2012-07-17 06:42:21 PM  
1 votes:

karmaceutical: This is some Consumerist level blogo-whining.


It's hardly whining to object to people physically assaulting you!
2012-07-17 06:32:29 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, so there are fearful, ignorant savages who strike out at anything they find unusual, in France too? Whowouldathunkit?
2012-07-17 06:26:38 PM  
1 votes:

capt.hollister: machodonkeywrestler: capt.hollister: ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.

Agreed.

And furthermore, in France you cannot record private citizens going about their business without their express written consent, whether they are in a private place, such as Mcd's, or out in public.

The hell with him. If he feels he must record everything and everyone let him do it in countries like the UK or the US where citizens do not own the right to their own image.

RTFA. It's an experimental setup they hope to use to allow blind people to see. Of course, if you hate blind people, please disregard my earlier statement.

That may be what he is working on, but the fact remains that his little device has recording capability. I'm not a legal expert, but I'd be willing to bet that that little factoid makes it illegal for use where "right to image" laws exist. Like it or not, you cannot randomly film people.


Thanks for pointing out that you're not a legal expert.. some people might have been confused by your brilliant legal analysis that McDonald's employees are legally justified and empowered to physically assault someone who hasn't actually done anything wrong.

Seems the 'Right to Image' laws you speak of have little to do with capturing someone's image in public and primarily involve publishing those images without permission.
2012-07-17 05:16:31 PM  
1 votes:
The TL/DNR Summary

(Since we seem to have a number of asshats who can't be bothered to read the damn article before they jump to assinine conlusions)

This guy has a bonafide visual handicap. He has been working for decades to develop technology to help overcome this defect (technology which is now seeing fruition in tech for the rest of us). This is a prosthetic device. These idiots trying to grab it from his head is akin to trying to pull the prosthetic leg off of an amputee, or pulling the electric wheelchair out from under a paraplegic. Well, presumably with less falling down (which happened anyways, so...)

This device is attached physically. It cannot be easily removed without tools. Forcibly removing it without tools will likely cause damage to the device, the user, or both. In this case, it appears the device was damaged.

The device does not normally record images for archival, merely buffers them to relay them to the device's wearer. The one exception is when the device registers certain physical issues, which it did, and buffered images did not get overwritten as usual, providing these images here.

This McDonald's has had issues with people video recording for nefarious purposes for some reason, thus the staff, believing this was a video recording device, overreacted. Think like McDowell's in Coming To America.

This guy's had enough issues in the past with authority figures not liking his fancy prosthesis, especially in places/scenarios where recording devices may be restricted. So, he planned ahead and had documentation explaining the nature of the device with a voucher of necessity from a medical expert. McDonald's staff not only disbelieved the authenticity of these documents (within their rights), they also destroyed said documents (over the line).

/Yeah, I know, awful long for a summary...
//in before the first tl;dnr reply to this post.
2012-07-17 05:06:29 PM  
1 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: capt.hollister: ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.

Agreed.

And furthermore, in France you cannot record private citizens going about their business without their express written consent, whether they are in a private place, such as Mcd's, or out in public.

The hell with him. If he feels he must record everything and everyone let him do it in countries like the UK or the US where citizens do not own the right to their own image.

RTFA. It's an experimental setup they hope to use to allow blind people to see. Of course, if you hate blind people, please disregard my earlier statement.


That may be what he is working on, but the fact remains that his little device has recording capability. I'm not a legal expert, but I'd be willing to bet that that little factoid makes it illegal for use where "right to image" laws exist. Like it or not, you cannot randomly film people.
2012-07-17 04:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

capt.hollister: ModernLuddite: People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.

Agreed.

And furthermore, in France you cannot record private citizens going about their business without their express written consent, whether they are in a private place, such as Mcd's, or out in public.

The hell with him. If he feels he must record everything and everyone let him do it in countries like the UK or the US where citizens do not own the right to their own image.


RTFA. It's an experimental setup they hope to use to allow blind people to see. Of course, if you hate blind people, please disregard my earlier statement.
2012-07-17 04:22:36 PM  
1 votes:
www.nightmares.com
2012-07-17 03:53:21 PM  
1 votes:

misanthropologist: This is what happens when you do the low-class tourist thing. Why the fark would you bother with MacDonald's in Paris? Or anywhere for that matter...?


Having recently been to France, you might go to a MacDonalds if you want some sit-down for a minute food that takes less than an hour and a half to order, eat, and pay for. Seriously, man. Most the time it was cool taking time to eat, but there is something to be said for the American version of sit down for 20 or 30 minutes, eat and go model.
2012-07-17 03:11:59 PM  
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: It's because they're attached semi-permanently. He can't remove them upon request. They apparently requires special tools to remove. The doctor's note is in the vain hope that authoritarian types can read a paragraph without losing their shiat.


So? Lemme get this straight - if something is semi-permanently attached, one has the right to just go up to someone and rip it off 'cause they feel like it?

Gelatinous: y guess is there's funny business going on at that particular location (drug sales, money laundering, or maybe some uniquely French crime), and the tough guys thought Mann was some kind of spy or reporter.


Best reasoning I've heard so far.
2012-07-17 02:28:33 PM  
1 votes:

KatjaMouse: pudding7: "A doctor's note"? WTF, is this third grade? Like some McDonalds manager in Paris is going to give a shiat about your Canadian doctor's note about your weird camera-glasses.

I'm guessing he carries it around more for security reasons like if he needs to go through airport security, customs, interact with the police or if he were in a medical emergency.


"The device is attached to his skull, it can't be removed without surgical tools" would also be useful when people tell you to take it off.
2012-07-17 02:07:05 PM  
1 votes:
My guess is there's funny business going on at that particular location (drug sales, money laundering, or maybe some uniquely French crime), and the tough guys thought Mann was some kind of spy or reporter.
2012-07-17 01:43:34 PM  
1 votes:

IAmRight: WordyGrrl: Still, anyone who skips out on trying real food when they're in one of the world's centers of great cuisine should be shot.

It's not like you only eat one meal there. And you really do have to go to one just to order a Royale with Cheese.

/plus everywhere else in France serves food for about 2 hours per day, so if you're hungry at an odd hour (if you just came over from North America, you probably are), McDonald's is one of few options


And he was with his kids. Sometimes kids just want shiat.
2012-07-17 01:38:01 PM  
1 votes:

abfalter: I'm torn.

On one hand, I want to hate France. Because, well, just look at them.

On the other hand, I want to hate on this douchebag for recording people against their desire and having zero respect for privacy.


I have to confess confusion about the hating to be recorded in public thing. The video camera is merely a mechanical substitute for what our eyes have been doing for countless years. When I walk down the street and see you, I'm recording you. What I've seen of you and what you're doing is being stored and filed away in my brain. Admittedly, I cannot SHOW this to anyone as I can with a video, but I can certainly tell anyone and everyone what I saw and paint for them with words a picture just as descriptive as what you can see on a video or picture.
2012-07-17 01:30:12 PM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: What are the French laws on assault?


Don't bring logic into their argument. They're feeling superior and enlightened, and understand the truth of people who go to McDonald's get what they deserve.
2012-07-17 01:29:08 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Not amused.
2012-07-17 01:26:19 PM  
1 votes:

misanthropologist: This is what happens when you do the low-class tourist thing. Why the fark would you bother with MacDonald's in Paris? Or anywhere for that matter...?


Because low-class friends of said tourists don't know what an Arc de Triomphe or Louvre are and will not be interested in things they do not comprehend. But they DO know what a McDonald's is and will express curiosity about how the Parisian McDonald's is different from their neighborhood's McDonald's.

Still, anyone who skips out on trying real food when they're in one of the world's centers of great cuisine should be shot. Forced to eat 100 Royales with Cheese, and then shot again. And then guillotined.

/Did NOT go to McDonald's, but did have steak frites at a sidewalk cafe in Paris, and yes, the meal was sublime and inexpensive.
2012-07-17 01:24:57 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Weidbrewer: The My Little Pony Killer: Carry fancy expensive electronics into a slum and see what happens.

...and, had he been walking through the slums, I would not have been asking the question.

Oh, I see the problem here. You also think that McDonald's is a "paragon of openness and light."

And you have apparently been ignoring all of the other comments in this thread about privacy and what the laws in France are regarding that sort of thing.


What are the French laws on assault?
2012-07-17 01:13:42 PM  
1 votes:
I'm torn.

On one hand, I want to hate France. Because, well, just look at them.

On the other hand, I want to hate on this douchebag for recording people against their desire and having zero respect for privacy.
2012-07-17 01:13:37 PM  
1 votes:
Are we supposed to believe that this is a real device?
2012-07-17 01:11:26 PM  
1 votes:

Jument: I don't get it. Why did they do that? They must have had some reason that (at least in their minds) made sense at the time.


FTA: Apparently McDonald's employees in Paris don't like people taking pictures of their menus and this isn't the first time Parisian Friends-Of-Ronald attacked someone with a camera in their stores.

Maybe the French still believe that whole "taking your picture steals your soul" thing.
2012-07-17 12:59:56 PM  
1 votes:
The doctor's note said "Please excuse my client for looking like a retard, he thinks he's a special snowflake."
2012-07-17 12:58:46 PM  
1 votes:
at some point most everything will record to "the cloud" so destroying the device will just guarantee you being seen destroying the device.
2012-07-17 12:57:56 PM  
1 votes:
Lucky it wasn't Raven diong the beatdown on his gargoyle ass
2012-07-17 12:54:32 PM  
1 votes:
People who video blog in public deserve to be assaulted.

This is not snark or sarcasm. Put your God damned cameras down.
2012-07-17 12:53:07 PM  
1 votes:

gilatrout: Canadians speak French too. While we're at it, let's blame them too.


As a canadian, most of us don't, so we're not taking the blame for this.

/there are plenty of other things that we can be blamed for I'm sure
2012-07-17 12:52:16 PM  
1 votes:
This is some Consumerist level blogo-whining.
2012-07-17 12:49:49 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
2012-07-17 12:49:47 PM  
1 votes:
McDonald's is a paragon of openness and light? Holy f*ck.
2012-07-17 12:49:03 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Subsequently another person within McDonalds physically assaulted me, while I was in McDonand's, eating my McDonand's Ranch Wrap that I had just purchased at this McDonald's

Where did this incident take place again? Burger King?



Lulz.

For some reason, I chuckled over the fact that he felt the need to mention what he ordered.
2012-07-17 12:48:54 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: That a pioneer like Mann would be accosted - in Paris, of all places - is a travesty. That it would happen in that paragon of openness and light, McDonald's is an absolute shame.

Umm... what makes Paris special? They don't take shiat from customers in Paris. They don't care about your permission slips. Why I am supposed to be outraged over what some moron blogger thinks Paris is supposed to be like? There is no hero in this story, I wish the McDonalds and everyone in it could have been destroyed by some crazed french farming anarchist.
2012-07-17 12:46:31 PM  
1 votes:
On the one hand, sucks for him. On the other hand, blaming McDonald's for it is stupid. Let's blame France instead and boycott everything from that entire country!
2012-07-17 12:46:12 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta love Parisians...
2012-07-17 12:13:25 PM  
1 votes:
You can blame those guys all you want, but they are NOT taking the robot uprising lightly
 
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