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2012-07-17 11:38:23 AM
IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.
 
2012-07-17 11:55:08 AM
In before Marine1 arrives to tell us all why this is, in fact, not what it seems and that Microsoft is the awesomesauce and shut up you AppleGoogle fanboy.
 
2012-07-17 11:57:11 AM
New Windows UI:
regmedia.co.uk

Inspiration:
www.funkytemple.co.za
 
2012-07-17 11:57:53 AM
Microsoft: Come on guys, I'm cool too!
 
2012-07-17 11:59:29 AM

Theaetetus: New Windows UI:
[regmedia.co.uk image 500x292]

Inspiration:
[www.funkytemple.co.za image 744x526]


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WHAT BUTTON PHONE
 
2012-07-17 12:00:41 PM

Theaetetus: Inspiration:


Holy shiat that's funny. Bravo.
 
2012-07-17 12:03:36 PM

Lsherm: IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.


Really full feature MS Office online would be amazing. Take all the sharing features of Google Docs and get Word, Excel, and Powerpoint online with all their features. I like Google Docs, but sometimes it is a little bare bones and lacking in areas like track changes.
 
2012-07-17 12:09:51 PM
The ribbon is still there, but it's hidden until the user touches or clicks on the menu system.
MS makes the ribbon still more obnoxious

The application suite has been rewritten from the ground up
BS quotient is off the scale. This is so unlikely as to be unbelievable.

Microsoft has also integrated a lot more functions crap into Office
FTFY

Registered users get a "people car" that contains notes about them, an aggregation of all their social feeds, and ways to contact them via phone
The perfect reason to never register it.

In Excel, the computer will suggest the best kind of charts and tables, and suggest automatic filling of cells based on past content
Now: Clippy from hell.

Office for ARM will be a fully functional version of the applications suite, with nothing left off - although there was a caveat that it would require "the most advanced hardware."
In other words - you need a dry cell battery to use the portable version of office with 'nothing left off.'

Yes, more MS crap jammed down the users throat.

/not a google fan either
 
2012-07-17 12:12:23 PM

ha-ha-guy: Lsherm: IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.

Really full feature MS Office online would be amazing. Take all the sharing features of Google Docs and get Word, Excel, and Powerpoint online with all their features. I like Google Docs, but sometimes it is a little bare bones and lacking in areas like track changes.


This.

It looks like this is MS's step into the cloud based document service in a big way. I'm hoping they don't limit it to the Windows based platforms; I'd love to be able to also make use of it on my iOS devices as well.*

The advantages would be great- no worries about whether you have that document on hand or not and everything stays updated and synchronized all the time. Moreover, since it is likely to be a pay service, YOU are the customer- one annoying thing about Google's apps (and I like Google products) is that they're ad driven... you're not the customer, you're what's being sold. This would likely have enhanced privacy over Google Documents.

* Yes, I know about iCloud and the like, but there's just not much out there if you run a Windows PC and iOS tablet/phone. I'm not eager at all to switch to a Macintosh computer and Apple's business model seems aimed solely at the individual; there's really no quality collaboration tools. Microsoft could really do us all a favor here by having this operable on the major platforms out there.
 
2012-07-17 12:16:52 PM
I hope you like white on white.

cdn.arstechnica.net
 
2012-07-17 12:18:23 PM

illegal.tender: In before Marine1 arrives to tell us all why this is, in fact, not what it seems and that Microsoft is the awesomesauce and shut up you AppleGoogle fanboy.


Microsoft already had Office 365 available on pen tablets running Windows for Cloudgroups back in 1992. It's practically a crime that the public never acknowledged this.
 
2012-07-17 12:28:33 PM

Lsherm: IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.


Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I agree 100%.

I still use hotmail, I've never had a reason to switch. But I did get a gmail address just to save my name. And holy moly does it look ugly. It's like 1994 internet. Just awful.
 
2012-07-17 12:29:19 PM
But can I use it for free like Google docs?
 
2012-07-17 12:34:56 PM

PanicMan: I hope you like white on white.

[cdn.arstechnica.net image 850x506]


I installed the consumer preview yesterday. there are some nice under the hood improvements (outlook supporting ActiveSync connections like in cell phones is interesting), but good god is the theme a blight to people with working vision.
 
2012-07-17 12:35:33 PM

sure haven't: Lsherm: IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I agree 100%.

I still use hotmail, I've never had a reason to switch. But I did get a gmail address just to save my name. And holy moly does it look ugly. It's like 1994 internet. Just awful.


I wasn't being sarcastic. I use gmail almost exclusively, but I kept my hotmail account for bogus registrations and such. A few years ago MS really started improving the Hotmail interface and now it's significantly better than gmail's. However, no one is using Hotmail. Hence my completely serious comment.
 
2012-07-17 12:38:45 PM
Linux yes wrote the headline
 
2012-07-17 12:41:10 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-17 12:43:13 PM
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I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

SOCIAL CLOUD NETWORKING PINCH RIBBONS METRO TIC-TAC-TOE UI BING SKYDRIVE FACEBOOK INTEGRATION APPS APPS APPS I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE AAAAAAAAAAAAA

ALL I WANTED WAS TO PRINT OUT A RECIPE FOR PEANUT BUTTER COOKIES
 
2012-07-17 12:51:13 PM
FTFA: Developers can also build third-party web applications and embed them in Office.

Can you say "zero-day vulnerability"?
 
2012-07-17 12:53:32 PM
regmedia.co.uk

Can microsoft learn nothing from Apple? How about a nice polished presentation and not something that looks like you're in a Holiday Inn.
 
2012-07-17 12:54:49 PM
We've transformed Office to embrace design concepts shown in Windows 8 and Phone 8 and in Metro

fark you then. I'll stick with LibreOffice.

Look, I'm going to change if you give me a farking payoff. I use software to get a job done. If you can say "hey, this is going to have you home by 3pm" or "using this software will make you more attractive to supermodels" then I'm listening but "you can embed a map" or "integrated with Skype" or "chart suggestions" just ain't worth £200 and me learning a whole new farking UI.

The problem is that they've run out of shiat to put in Office. Arguably, they ran out of things a decade ago. I'm still using Office 2003 and Libre Office (I write in LO and then convert to PDF. If a client insists on it, I check the document in Office 2003, although that's rare now).

A lot of business has moved on from "documents" to things like content management systems and workflow systems like Huddle now. I worked in a company where for 3 or 4 months, we just didn't use Word. We updated the document store in the Wiki, but all the editing was done in the browser. Did anyone miss not having 30 different sizes of text and 100 different fonts or a million little features? Not compared to everything being easily editable in the browser and instantly available.
 
2012-07-17 12:56:23 PM

farkeruk: The problem is that they've run out of shiat to put in Office.


ding ding ding
 
2012-07-17 12:57:41 PM

TheHappTroll: But can I use it for free like Google docs?


Can I use it on any computer without needing to install any software?
 
2012-07-17 01:01:41 PM
So what about MS' existing Office Live offerings? I mean, it's not as if MS just got a Google Docs competitor
 
2012-07-17 01:08:18 PM
For a college student, their built in referencing is a bloody lifesaver. Since I already have that... ya, I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon.
 
2012-07-17 01:19:30 PM
So Microsoft word can now interact with facebook?

...

Why the f*ck would I want to do that?
 
2012-07-17 01:34:30 PM
And what about those of us that travel a lot and don't always have an internet connection... I guess we don't get to work with our files?

Is there an offline mode?
 
2012-07-17 01:45:52 PM
The application suite has been rewritten from the ground up, he said, and while Redmond will still support those who want to install their own copy, Microsoft hopes that the bulk of users will use its code in a cloudy fashion. Developers can also build third-party web applications and embed them in Office.

Interesting... I wonder if it's still going to support VBA, or is it all going VB.NET or something now?
 
2012-07-17 02:00:27 PM

PanicMan: I hope you like white on white.


I do not (I set 2007/2010 to black, I find it easier on my eyes), I hope they have the option to change it when it's released.

OldRod: And what about those of us that travel a lot and don't always have an internet connection... I guess we don't get to work with our files?

Is there an offline mode?


I just installed the preview on one of my machines and it appears offline is the default mode. Signing in with a Windows Live ID is optional... At least as far as I can tell, I've been running it for a grand total of 10 minutes.
 
2012-07-17 02:01:09 PM

Sim Tree: So Microsoft word can now interact with facebook?

...

Why the f*ck would I want to do that?


So your friends can come over and harvest your Excel spreadsheets for you.
 
2012-07-17 02:02:02 PM
MS has had office online for a long time already.. its not news in anyway.. and it works amazingly well..
 
2012-07-17 02:08:16 PM

Arkanaut: I wonder if it's still going to support VBA


Man I sure hope not.

/that shiat sucks
 
2012-07-17 02:17:36 PM
Google Docs isn't just bare bones, it's missing quite a few useful bones. I can't sue it for anything other than making a shopping list.
 
2012-07-17 02:20:59 PM
MS has had this for a while. It is called SkyDrive. You can make any Excel, PPT, or Word document without owning MS Office.
 
2012-07-17 02:27:57 PM

Russ1642: I can't sue it for anything other than making a shopping list.


hehe
 
2012-07-17 02:34:31 PM

illegal.tender: In before Marine1 arrives to tell us all why this is, in fact, not what it seems and that Microsoft is the awesomesauce and shut up you AppleGoogle fanboy.


Oh boy, reached that level of notoriety, have I?

I have it on my laptop. It's nice. The page numbering function doesn't work yet.

Other than that, it's Office. If you can find a currently supported productivity suite that's better, use it. It's quite an expedition to find one, though.
 
2012-07-17 02:42:43 PM

Kuoxasar: Sim Tree: So Microsoft word can now interact with facebook?

...

Why the f*ck would I want to do that?

So your friends can come over and harvest your Excel spreadsheets for you.


+1

God, there is NOTHING they have added or changed in years that has any appeal to me.

I write, in one font and one font size with no fancy formatting. The simpler a program is, the better. Most people I know feel the same way. MS is pretty much abandoning the consumer market.

By way of comparison my inlaws own an online business that is the largest retailer of their particular niche in the US. Over half of their customers have dial up only internet. They have grown every year since starting up in '99. Why? Because most people want simple and stable interfaces and a predictable experience.


/LibreOffice is how I roll right now
 
2012-07-17 03:38:13 PM
regmedia.co.uk

Good lord. What a clusterf*ck of a desktop.

This is supposed to improve anything?
 
2012-07-17 03:39:32 PM

Lsherm: However, no one is using Hotmail. Hence my completely serious comment.


No one? Hotmail's userbase is twice the Gmail userbase. But I understand what you're saying. All the cool kids with blogs and opinions are using Gmail.

It's funny. They complain about how "clunky" and "dated" Hotmail is, but they haven't used it since 2004/2005 when they got that Gmail account. Duh! No wonder.

Currently, Hotmail runs laps around Gmail.

I also hate when people who barely know how to turn on the computer spout groupthink crap like "People still use Hotmail? Ewww!". I proceed to ask them what makes Hotmail so bad and they just go "er....er....er....it's oooold!!". I then have to take my pills because the urges to kill increase rapidly.
 
2012-07-17 03:50:28 PM
That Win desktop reminds me of something...what could it be...

codinghorror.typepad.com
 
2012-07-17 03:55:24 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [regmedia.co.uk image 500x292]

Good lord. What a clusterf*ck of a desktop.

This is supposed to improve anything?


That's not the Window's 8 desktop. The desktop in Windows 8 looks like the exact same desktop that's been around since 9x.

That obnoxious screen is actually the replacement for the start menu... Which makes sense for the tablets MS wants to get Windows 8 running on but it's a little obnoxious on a desktop.

Although as they say around these parts, I got over it. Since Vista I haven't browsed for a program through the start menu. It's either pinned to the task bar or I hit the Windows key type in the first few letters of whatever I'm looking for and hit enter.
 
2012-07-17 04:36:49 PM

Lsherm: sure haven't: Lsherm: IF their Hotmail interface is any indication, it's going to be better than Google Docs but no one is going to use it.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I agree 100%.

I still use hotmail, I've never had a reason to switch. But I did get a gmail address just to save my name. And holy moly does it look ugly. It's like 1994 internet. Just awful.

I wasn't being sarcastic. I use gmail almost exclusively, but I kept my hotmail account for bogus registrations and such. A few years ago MS really started improving the Hotmail interface and now it's significantly better than gmail's. However, no one is using Hotmail. Hence my completely serious comment.


After reading your trolltastic comment I had to see hotmail now for myself. I've determined you are in fact a troll.
 
2012-07-17 04:58:26 PM
Having just read Vanity Fair's article about what a clusterfark Microsoft has become, rather fitting this is on Fark today.
 
2012-07-17 05:11:59 PM

rocky_howard: Lsherm: However, no one is using Hotmail. Hence my completely serious comment.

No one? Hotmail's userbase is twice the Gmail userbase. But I understand what you're saying. All the cool kids with blogs and opinions are using Gmail.

It's funny. They complain about how "clunky" and "dated" Hotmail is, but they haven't used it since 2004/2005 when they got that Gmail account. Duh! No wonder.

Currently, Hotmail runs laps around Gmail.

I also hate when people who barely know how to turn on the computer spout groupthink crap like "People still use Hotmail? Ewww!". I proceed to ask them what makes Hotmail so bad and they just go "er....er....er....it's oooold!!". I then have to take my pills because the urges to kill increase rapidly.


The numbers game about who is using what for email are up for another discussion. Hotmail isn't a dead service by any means, but it's losing share rapidly to Gmail.

MayoSlather: After reading your trolltastic comment I had to see hotmail now for myself. I've determined you are in fact a troll.


Then you aren't really using it. Dragging and dropping is better and the customization menu you can create when you hover over a message is one of the best things on there. Bonus? If you "sweep" a message from your inbox MS includes an option to "always move messages from this user to this folder" and it sets up a filter automatically for you.

Like I said, I don't use Hotmail for my primary mail, but the interface is better than gmail.
 
2012-07-17 05:27:32 PM

WhyteRaven74: Having just read Vanity Fair's article about what a clusterfark Microsoft has become, rather fitting this is on Fark today.


*facepalm.jpg*
 
2012-07-17 06:04:56 PM

Marine1: *facepalm.jpg*


Hey, it's not like Microsoft is breaking their fine record of letting everyone else beat them out of the gate. And with the exception of the X-box, it's not exactly working out well for them.
 
2012-07-17 06:11:23 PM

Githerax: That Win desktop reminds me of something...what could it be...

[codinghorror.typepad.com image 784x439]


Any icon space on your desktop not taken up by a program can be used by Microsoft to display flash ads.
 
2012-07-17 07:03:03 PM

Gunny Walker: TheHappTroll: But can I use it for free like Google docs?

Can I use it on any computer without needing to install any software?


Yes and yes. Both have been true for years.

docs.live.com
 
2012-07-17 07:08:11 PM

oren0: Gunny Walker: TheHappTroll: But can I use it for free like Google docs?

Can I use it on any computer without needing to install any software?

Yes and yes. Both have been true for years.

docs.live.com


Any by the way, you can also go back and forth between desktop Office and the web app, and save offline copies, which obviously Google can't do.
 
2012-07-17 07:55:41 PM

rocky_howard: Lsherm: However, no one is using Hotmail. Hence my completely serious comment.

No one? Hotmail's userbase is twice the Gmail userbase. But I understand what you're saying. All the cool kids with blogs and opinions are using Gmail.

It's funny. They complain about how "clunky" and "dated" Hotmail is, but they haven't used it since 2004/2005 when they got that Gmail account. Duh! No wonder.

Currently, Hotmail runs laps around Gmail.

I also hate when people who barely know how to turn on the computer spout groupthink crap like "People still use Hotmail? Ewww!". I proceed to ask them what makes Hotmail so bad and they just go "er....er....er....it's oooold!!". I then have to take my pills because the urges to kill increase rapidly.


Sorry that you rage so much about it but the truth is Hotmail is 8 farking years too late with their new wonderful ass-kicking UI.

It's nobody's fault but their own that they had a old UI for such a long time, and like Yahoo lagged behind Google in offering new features such as expanded storage space and POP3 access. And BTW since it is 2012 have they gotten around to offering IMAP access yet?
 
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