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2012-07-17 02:56:01 PM  

colon_pow: "The president's action is completely misdirected," Romney said. "Work is a dignified endeavor, and the linkage of work and welfare is essential to prevent welfare from becoming a way of life."

not around these parts, Mitt. this is part of the fundamental transformation of America that obama promised.


I thought Romney was all for the creative and free power of the states to determine their own solutions.

Must be Mitt talking out both sides of his vocal output unit again.
 
2012-07-17 02:56:08 PM  

Serious Black: MyRandomName: THX 1138: "This is a brazen and unwarranted unraveling of welfare reform.

WTF? It's no such thing. If I read it correctly, states have the option of completely sticking with the current system. However this now gives states the _option_ apply for a waiver to the status quo, and attempt a modified welfare model to see if they can do it better.

Or did I get that totally wrong?

You have it wrong. The original reforms required a percentage of welfare recipients to begin working or being in useful training to work in the future. This was to end the cycle of institutional welfare, ie stop the welfare for life if able to work. The law explicitly states that the federal agency in charge of these block grants can not modify these work rules without congress. Obama has undone this against the analysis of the CRS when this was tried years ago. He basically has undone the welfare reform requirements passed under Clinton in complete violation of the actual law. The intent was to force modifications of this back to congress instead of decree by executive. Obama doesn't give a fark about whataws say and is marching in opposition to the law on the books.

This act Indies the reform, it does not modify it. It takes requirements back to before the passed welfare reform compromise. It is bullshiat and liberals are farking hypocrites for supporting rewrite by fiat, especially after knocking bush for signing statements, this is a step beyond signing statements.

No, Obama has not done any of the farking shiat you say he has done. Here's a direct quote from the memorandum his assistant secretary sent out: "The Secretary will not use her authority to allow use of TANF funds to provide assistance to individuals or families subject to the TANF prohibitions on assistance." How the flying fark can that possibly be translated into Obama gutting welfare reform?!


Because someone told them that. The same way a provision to ALLOW Medicaid to pay for 'end of life planning' - like discussing a living will with an expert - became a 'death pannel'.

(yes, that's what the section referred to in the ridiculous chain messages and talk radio ACTUALLY pointed at. )
 
2012-07-17 02:56:30 PM  

DeltaPunch: dallylamma: hubiestubert: At this point, Obama needs to come out in favor of baseball, football, NASCAR, apple pie, puppies, kittens, long walks on the beach, beer and wings, just to watch Congress repudiate such Socialisms...

And given how he's trolling Congress now, he just might.

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I think he's already thrown his support behind beer.

Awesome pic.

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I was laughing. I like that pic.
 
2012-07-17 02:57:11 PM  

I alone am best: Rent Party: jjorsett: How about letting states handle welfare as they see fit, and pay for it themselves? All of them, not just the ones who won't toe the fed line.

Oddly enough, that is exactly what Obama is proposing. States can manage their own welfare to work requirements, and yet, the GOP is whining about it.

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

So no, states don't get to manage anything.


So why don't you get on the phone with your friendly, neighborhood Congressman and Senators and tell them to outright abolish TANF?
 
2012-07-17 02:57:18 PM  

THX 1138: randomjsa: Reality: Obama is doing this to get more people on welfare.

Do I dare ask what, in your universe, could possibly be Obama's motive for putting more people on welfare?


His feeling that they want free stuff and will vote for him. His FEELING, mind you, and possible some random(jsa) anecdotal evidence that proves nothing, but we'd be nothing as a species if we didn't blindly trust our feelings, amirite?
 
2012-07-17 02:57:45 PM  
Obama Master Troll or Republicans just too easy to troll....
 
2012-07-17 02:57:57 PM  
Myth: Obama is doing this to give states more control.

Reality: Obama is doing this because the waivers will help him control population distribution to reduce travel times to the FEMA camps.
 
2012-07-17 02:58:02 PM  

Serious Black: T. Dawg: Found this article that better explains the whole thing.

I think the members of the Right simply have a directive to scream as loudly as possible no matter what the Obama Administration is doing. Don't think - just scream.

Hence why hubie is suggesting Obama support things like breathing or why the video Karac posted is so apt and hilarious.


Oh, I know - that would be brilliant! It's just that for a moment after attempting to step from Position A to Position Q, as the Right has, my brain needed a hard reboot. Un-freakin' believable.
 
2012-07-17 02:58:38 PM  
It's actually surprising to realize that at one time, the Republicans, conservatives and right wing in this country actually had intelligent members that would argue a decision by the government and have valid viewpoints to back up their assertions. Now we have a cadre of poo flinging primates on the Right who couldn't come up with a cogent argument if they had to save their life.
 
2012-07-17 02:58:39 PM  

coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."


Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.
 
2012-07-17 02:58:41 PM  

coeyagi: Jackson Herring: Jake Havechek: Outline your plan to save the economy, please. Be detailed and specific, please.

1. White Republican President

2. give tax breaks to wealthy.


3. If your income is less than 250k per annum please report to the nearest recycling center for mandatory organ/precious bodily fluid harvesting.

4. NO POOFTERS!
 
2012-07-17 02:59:36 PM  

randomjsa: Myth: Obama is doing this to give states more control.

Reality: Obama is doing this to get more people on welfare.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that the more dependent you are on government the more likely you are to vote for Obama.


Myth: What you said.

You have no evidence and present no reasoning.

If the states want to cut the work requirement that's their decision now, not his. You can't make it Obama's responsibility when he's made it the states' responsibility.

Not yours.

Or are you saying that the federal government should retain power that's best exercised by the states? Cause that would be a bit inconsistent with your supposed conservative brethren.
 
2012-07-17 03:01:15 PM  

Serious Black: I alone am best: Rent Party: jjorsett: How about letting states handle welfare as they see fit, and pay for it themselves? All of them, not just the ones who won't toe the fed line.

Oddly enough, that is exactly what Obama is proposing. States can manage their own welfare to work requirements, and yet, the GOP is whining about it.

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

So no, states don't get to manage anything.

So why don't you get on the phone with your friendly, neighborhood Congressman and Senators and tell them to outright abolish TANF?


Pointing out inaccuracy and spin does not mean that I care. I live in a state where that did not apply for a long time.
 
2012-07-17 03:01:21 PM  

THX 1138: randomjsa: Reality: Obama is doing this to get more people on welfare.

Do I dare ask what, in your universe, could possibly be Obama's motive for putting more people on welfare?


To buy votes, duh.

Obama Money
 
2012-07-17 03:01:42 PM  

I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.


1) And do you think Obama himself approves that?

2) And why are you upset? This is closer to state control than you had before. I thought you'd be happy, Mr. Shilling for the GOP Guy?

3) No, you're not happy, Obama is doing something that makes him look good and it pisses you the f*ck off because it's PARTY FIRST, damnit!
 
2012-07-17 03:01:44 PM  

I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.


"I would allow waivers to states to try new, innovative ideas." = "We get final approval over every move"? In what world? And how is that WORSE than a system now without waivers where it's totally inflexible?
 
2012-07-17 03:02:32 PM  

I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.


Obama himself is not the one who has to approve of it.

Ergo, what you said was incorrect. It was the DHHS secretary who would approve it.
 
2012-07-17 03:04:01 PM  

I alone am best: Rent Party: jjorsett: How about letting states handle welfare as they see fit, and pay for it themselves? All of them, not just the ones who won't toe the fed line.

Oddly enough, that is exactly what Obama is proposing. States can manage their own welfare to work requirements, and yet, the GOP is whining about it.

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

So no, states don't get to manage anything.


Uh, what do you think the waiver is for? Right now the fed allows no variation to the welfare to work rules. Under this rule, states could say to the fed, "Hey, this isn't working, here's a plan that we think will" and the fed would go "Good idea, here's a waiver so you can do that." That's the state managing it.

Or perhaps you're a moron.
 
2012-07-17 03:04:15 PM  

Deneb81: Serious Black: No, Obama has not done any of the farking shiat you say he has done. Here's a direct quote from the memorandum his assistant secretary sent out: "The Secretary will not use her authority to allow use of TANF funds to provide assistance to individuals or families subject to the TANF prohibitions on assistance." How the flying fark can that possibly be translated into Obama gutting welfare reform?!

Because someone told them that. The same way a provision to ALLOW Medicaid to pay for 'end of life planning' - like discussing a living will with an expert - became a 'death pannel'.

(yes, that's what the section referred to in the ridiculous chain messages and talk radio ACTUALLY pointed at. )


Yeah, I know what the section was authorizing. I even forcefully told tons of people who hung on the death panel claims that well over a hundred Republicans voted for an identical provision less than four years prior, but they didn't give a rat's hairy ass. All they knew was Sarah Palin told them it was a death panel so it just had to be true!
 
2012-07-17 03:04:47 PM  

randomjsa: But that has nothing to do with the fact that the more dependent you are on government the more likely you are to vote for Obama.


So all those poor white people on welfare in the red states are Obama supporters.

Right.
 
2012-07-17 03:05:11 PM  

EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only


Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.
 
2012-07-17 03:05:33 PM  
Myth: Obama is doing this to give states more control.

Reality: Obama is trying to eliminate welfare so Reverend Wright's crack dealers can get an influx of new recruits, just in time to help 'influence' voters with billy clubs this election
 
2012-07-17 03:07:30 PM  

GhostFish: randomjsa: But that has nothing to do with the fact that the more dependent you are on government the more likely you are to vote for Obama.

So all those poor white people on welfare in the red states are Obama supporters.

Right.


Hey, Gingrich wouldn't lie to us!

"Among the poorest of the poor-single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients. Link

Oh.
 
2012-07-17 03:07:33 PM  

404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.


My god, you're ignorant.
 
2012-07-17 03:07:35 PM  

404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.


Good thing assholes like you don't work in government.
 
2012-07-17 03:07:47 PM  

Cyclometh: All you need to know:

The GOP is angry that the Obama Administration is refusing to let them obstruct the operation of the government.


A strange game. The only way to win is not to play.
 
2012-07-17 03:08:35 PM  

LasersHurt: 404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.

My god, you're ignorant.


Look at a few threads from late last night - I am pretty sure this is someone challenging Mike LowELL for the throne.
 
2012-07-17 03:09:14 PM  
Can we get some reasonable conservatives around here? I know of about 3 that are regular posters.

The sheer ammount of derp-filled idiots are drowning out reasonable duscusion. It's boring.
 
2012-07-17 03:09:29 PM  

randomjsa: Myth: Obama is doing this to give states more control.

Reality: Obama is doing this to get more people on welfare.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that the more dependent you are on government the more likely you are to vote for Obama.


THIS! The 0bama administration will not rest until they have at least 75% of the American population on food stamps, medicaid, and all other forms of welfare that will make them dependent on the government. Then we will follow the course of Greece and our country, which is going farther down the tubes every year, will be nothing but a shell of what we once were. Than and only than will this administration be content.
 
2012-07-17 03:09:41 PM  

coeyagi: LasersHurt: 404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.

My god, you're ignorant.

Look at a few threads from late last night - I am pretty sure this is someone challenging Mike LowELL for the throne.


Thanks for the heads up. I fark during the day at work more than at night, must have missed it.
 
2012-07-17 03:11:28 PM  

PanicMan: Can we get some reasonable conservatives around here? I know of about 3 that are regular posters.

The sheer ammount of derp-filled idiots are drowning out reasonable duscusion. It's boring.


One doesn't even show up any more. One is a reasonable slightly libertarian Giants fan. I can't think of a third.
 
2012-07-17 03:12:17 PM  

404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.


Enough grammatical errors to be plausible, enough core derp to resonate with the rubes. And kudos for not jumping the shark and inserting baby jesus crying, or other dead giveaways.

9/10. Keep up the good work.
 
2012-07-17 03:12:32 PM  

dallylamma: hubiestubert: At this point, Obama needs to come out in favor of baseball, football, NASCAR, apple pie, puppies, kittens, long walks on the beach, beer and wings, just to watch Congress repudiate such Socialisms...

And given how he's trolling Congress now, he just might.

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I think he's already thrown his support behind beer.


This picture is pure win on many levels:

-Obama's face
-The 2 Guinness "Brilliant!" scientists in the background
-Beer
-That might be Duke losing on the TV (don't really follow NCAA basketball)
 
Bf+
2012-07-17 03:13:08 PM  
What's the difference between a Republican and a terrorist...
 
2012-07-17 03:14:15 PM  

Bf+: What's the difference between a Republican and a terrorist...


Hypothetically, you can negotiate with terrorists.
 
2012-07-17 03:14:48 PM  

Rent Party: I alone am best: Rent Party: jjorsett: How about letting states handle welfare as they see fit, and pay for it themselves? All of them, not just the ones who won't toe the fed line.

Oddly enough, that is exactly what Obama is proposing. States can manage their own welfare to work requirements, and yet, the GOP is whining about it.

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

So no, states don't get to manage anything.

Uh, what do you think the waiver is for? Right now the fed allows no variation to the welfare to work rules. Under this rule, states could say to the fed, "Hey, this isn't working, here's a plan that we think will" and the fed would go "Good idea, here's a waiver so you can do that." That's the state managing it.

Or perhaps you're a moron.


Oh, I guess I stand corrected. Allowing states to manage welfare as they see fit, is filling out the proper paper work and the administration deciding if the plan submitted is sufficient or if they like it, then they get a waiver.

Or, you're idea of "states managing welfare as they see fit" is completely idiotic and 100% wrong.
 
2012-07-17 03:14:52 PM  

LasersHurt: 404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.

My god, you're ignorant.


No. Successful troll.
 
2012-07-17 03:15:00 PM  

coeyagi: PanicMan: Can we get some reasonable conservatives around here? I know of about 3 that are regular posters.

The sheer ammount of derp-filled idiots are drowning out reasonable duscusion. It's boring.

One doesn't even show up any more. One is a reasonable slightly libertarian Giants fan. I can't think of a third.


I can think of two, Hubie and Weaver.
 
2012-07-17 03:15:04 PM  

LasersHurt: coeyagi: LasersHurt: 404 page not found: EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only

Ha! Laughable.... These people who are on welfare has never meant the requirement to get off welfare. They are suppose to job hunt every week and write down where they placed applications and the name and number of the contact person. They wait until the day of or the day before they have to go back to the office to turn the wasted paper in,most sitting in the office filling it out using the computers at the office . They have not stepped in one place to fill out a application. Then the case worker who has maybe over 200 people never call any of the places to see if they was there. It just a waste of time .It is all a dog and pony show.I strongly feel that welfare should only apply to the people who have worked all their lives and paid into it ...and then they find them self with out a job because the company closed up or moved out of the country.Why should our tax dollars support those who have never work and never plan on working but just keep popping out more babies to milk the system. It should also have a cap on it like unemployment.

My god, you're ignorant.

Look at a few threads from late last night - I am pretty sure this is someone challenging Mike LowELL for the throne.

Thanks for the heads up. I fark during the day at work more than at night, must have missed it.


So what? I'm a FarkLib™ that's taken to copypasting IRL Facebook comments. You have to admit that these comments are much better than what you've been used to reading from the resident right-wing retards, right? I'm not a troll, I just think that shiat is starting to get real funny around here.

p.s. I could never dethrone Mike LowELL.
 
2012-07-17 03:15:48 PM  
Progress has slowed in recent years, and states have complained about work rules that tie them down in paperwork. So the administration seeks to unleash another era of experimentation.



Uh, weren't these the same people who complained about needless government bureaucracy and paperwork?
 
2012-07-17 03:16:13 PM  

sprawl15: coeyagi: PanicMan: Can we get some reasonable conservatives around here? I know of about 3 that are regular posters.

The sheer ammount of derp-filled idiots are drowning out reasonable duscusion. It's boring.

One doesn't even show up any more. One is a reasonable slightly libertarian Giants fan. I can't think of a third.

I can think of two, Hubie and Weaver.


Weaver? RINO!
 
2012-07-17 03:16:33 PM  

EighthDay: I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.

Obama himself is not the one who has to approve of it.

Ergo, what you said was incorrect. It was the DHHS secretary who would approve it.


So the DHHS secretary has the only say in this. Or do you think maybe her boss would have a say as well?
 
2012-07-17 03:17:43 PM  

EnviroDude: if only there were a way that the President and Democrats could create an environment that would create jobs to help those on welfare that want to work find jobs.

if only


He could give the rich another tax cut. The rich only need to pay a LITTLE less in taxes, before that wealth starts trickling down! Honest this time.
 
2012-07-17 03:18:20 PM  

coeyagi: PanicMan: Can we get some reasonable conservatives around here? I know of about 3 that are regular posters.

The sheer ammount of derp-filled idiots are drowning out reasonable duscusion. It's boring.

One doesn't even show up any more. One is a reasonable slightly libertarian Giants fan. I can't think of a third.


I have a few Farkers marked as reasonable conservatives/libertarians: Captain Dan, HeadLever, helix400 (haven't seen him post in a long time), jso2987, hubiestubert, globalwarmingpraiser, and Weaver95.
 
2012-07-17 03:18:23 PM  

I alone am best: EighthDay: I alone am best: coeyagi: I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Damn that Fartbongo, letting states determine their own policies! If he approves of it. WTF is his problem?

FTFY

0/10. Lie.

Next bridge-dweller please. This is gonna be a long thread.....

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

Oh, there you go the information you are looking for is right at the top of the page. Quit trying to spin shiat when anyone with half a brain can read the article.

Obama himself is not the one who has to approve of it.

Ergo, what you said was incorrect. It was the DHHS secretary who would approve it.

So the DHHS secretary has the only say in this. Or do you think maybe her boss would have a say as well?


Would you rather it be status quo and still have FULL control at the federal level? I asked you this before and you deflected like the good partisan hack you are. (And no, I doubt he would review it. Otherwise, why have a DHHS secretary?)
 
2012-07-17 03:19:29 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: MyRandomName: DamnYankees: How dare Obama try to give states the right to help poor people.

So the whole rewriting of congressional laws is okay with you? CRS has already stated this is in violation of congressional legislation. It purposefully excluded the agency from removing the work laws for grants.

So let me.get this straight... The ussc striking down congressional law is bad, Obama striking down congressional law is good. What a farking hypocrite.

This essentially guts the welfare reforms under Clinton. And you want the gop to agree to tax and cuts? You have no problem undoing reform compromise but expect them to trust you on future agreements?

This is a blatant usurpation of legislation rewrite by the executive and you have no problem with it. Grow up. This is not how government is supposed to function.

You've already shown with your various posts on the Politics tab that you haven't even the slightest idea of how government is supposed to function, so you should probably shut the fark up on this one. You're only going to end up looking stupid. Again.


Oh, pleeeeze, do let him continue. I'm bored, and it's fun to read just how far he can sling the derp.
 
2012-07-17 03:19:47 PM  
Republicans are ridiculous little creatures...
 
2012-07-17 03:19:47 PM  

I alone am best: Rent Party: I alone am best: Rent Party: jjorsett: How about letting states handle welfare as they see fit, and pay for it themselves? All of them, not just the ones who won't toe the fed line.

Oddly enough, that is exactly what Obama is proposing. States can manage their own welfare to work requirements, and yet, the GOP is whining about it.

The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

So no, states don't get to manage anything.

Uh, what do you think the waiver is for? Right now the fed allows no variation to the welfare to work rules. Under this rule, states could say to the fed, "Hey, this isn't working, here's a plan that we think will" and the fed would go "Good idea, here's a waiver so you can do that." That's the state managing it.

Or perhaps you're a moron.

Oh, I guess I stand corrected. Allowing states to manage welfare as they see fit, is filling out the proper paper work and the administration deciding if the plan submitted is sufficient or if they like it, then they get a waiver.

Or, you're idea of "states managing welfare as they see fit" is completely idiotic and 100% wrong.


Because allowing for flexibility through wavers is exactly the same has having no flexiblity at all.
 
2012-07-17 03:21:31 PM  

MyRandomName: This act Indies the reform, it does not modify it. It takes requirements back to before the passed welfare reform compromise. It is bullshiat and liberals are farking hypocrites for supporting rewrite by fiat, especially after knocking bush for signing statements, this is a step beyond signing statements.


People have already pointed this out, but I'll say it again. You're wrong.

From the article T. Dawg linked above:

"Here's what's happening. George Sheldon, the acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families (ACF) at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), sent states a memorandum inviting them to submit applications for waivers from certain aspects of the TANF law. The stated intention is to allow states more room to try programs that promote employment for welfare recipients in the face of the recession. The actual language is rather strict and rules out a number of potential waiver applications. For example, the memo states, "The Secretary will not use her authority to allow use of TANF funds to provide assistance to individuals or families subject to the TANF prohibitions on assistance." Translation: people who aren't on TANF because they didn't meet the work requirements aren't going to get bailed out here. Proposed waivers also must include concrete methods of evaluating performance, and set standards that the new programs must meet for the waiver to continue." (emphasis mine)
 
2012-07-17 03:22:27 PM  

404 page not found: So what? I'm a FarkLib™ that's taken to copypasting IRL Facebook comments. You have to admit that these comments are much better than what you've been used to reading from the resident right-wing retards, right? I'm not a troll, I just think that shiat is starting to get real funny around here.


So, the obvious question: Are the Facebook posts legit, or are you being trolled?
 
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