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(The New York Times)   People begin to have a "holy sh*t" moment as they realize prescription drug abuse is killing more people than the evil drug cartels. We're through the Looking Glass here, people   (nytimes.com) divider line 215
    More: Obvious, drug cartels, United States, Mike DeWine, long-term stability, International Crisis Group, drug legalization, prescription drugs, Ohio Attorney General  
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NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-16 10:54:30 PM
Well isn't that proof positive that the war on drugs is working???
 
2012-07-16 11:03:42 PM
The most recent National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that an estimated 1.5 million people had used cocaine in the previous month, down from 2 million in 2002 and, according to an earlier government survey, 5.8 million in the mid-1980s.

That's good

The same survey that identified 1.5 million cocaine users in 2010 found 7 million users of "psychotherapeutics." Of the 36,450 overdose deaths in the United States in 2008, 20,044 involved a prescription drug, more than all illicit drugs combined.

That's bad

But momentum for a broader change in domestic drug policy - as in foreign policy - appears to be building. D.E.A. officials say they have recently created 37 "tactical diversion squads" focusing on prescription drug investigations, with 26 more to be added over the next few years.

Ohh fark you! You're one of the biggest problems with the "war on drugs"! You use this shiat to justify an expansion in operations, some of which are illegal per state laws, but who gives a fark about those, right?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-16 11:18:57 PM
What are "tactical diversion squads" ?
 
2012-07-16 11:47:08 PM

NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?


Highly trained paramilitary units designed to distract you from buying or manufacturing drugs. Mostly they operate as street magicians.
 
2012-07-16 11:49:16 PM
Prescription drug abuse is systematically tolerable because there is a direct corporate profit to be made from selling prescription drugs.
 
2012-07-16 11:54:15 PM
They just figuring this out now?

The drugs I use are RX only that I buy from people I know. shiat, if I could find actual honest to god good methamphetamine, I wouldnt need be doing this. Instead I am stuck with shiatty Dextroamphetamine in Adderall.
 
2012-07-16 11:55:25 PM
Hasn't this been the case for years and years?
 
2012-07-16 11:59:59 PM

cman: Instead I am stuck with shiatty Dextroamphetamine in Adderall.


Dude, do me a favor... Talk to the pharmacist at your VA or send me an email and I'll let you talk to one of mine.
 
2012-07-17 12:00:55 AM

NewportBarGuy: cman: Instead I am stuck with shiatty Dextroamphetamine in Adderall.

Dude, do me a favor... Talk to the pharmacist at your VA or send me an email and I'll let you talk to one of mine.


I am not prescribed adderall. I buy it from people I know.

IIRC the VA does not stock it, they stock Ritalin but not Adderall
 
2012-07-17 12:04:55 AM

cman: I am not prescribed adderall. I buy it from people I know.


Email me. We'll talk.
 
2012-07-17 12:08:59 AM

NewportBarGuy: cman: I am not prescribed adderall. I buy it from people I know.

Email me. We'll talk.


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2012-07-17 12:23:22 AM
This rethinking extends beyond the United States, where policy makers are debating how to better reduce demand for painkillers.

you don't need to reduce demand for painkillers, you just need to stop treating addiction as if it were a moral failure or due to lack of willpower. A better understanding of what causes addiction would help control what people do with powerful painkillers.
 
2012-07-17 12:31:00 AM
I died from a marijuana overdose.

I got better.
 
2012-07-17 12:33:57 AM

cman: NewportBarGuy: cman: I am not prescribed adderall. I buy it from people I know.

Email me. We'll talk.

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2012-07-17 02:56:34 AM

BSABSVR: NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?

Highly trained paramilitary units designed to distract you from buying or manufacturing drugs. Mostly they operate as street magicians.


giggle.
 
2012-07-17 03:00:33 AM

NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?


It's pretty boring, actually. Hey! Look over there!
 
2012-07-17 03:00:46 AM
Mr. Peña Nieto has promised to focus not on drugs but rather on reducing the violent crimes that most affect Mexicans.

How long do you think this will last before the US bullies them into going after drugs again?
 
2012-07-17 03:01:06 AM
Anyone strung out on any of that s*h*i*t is a pathetic weakling!
 
2012-07-17 03:05:46 AM
HOLY CRAP! 36,000 OD deaths in the US in 2008?

We should make pot illegal!
 
2012-07-17 03:06:20 AM
pot is fun
 
2012-07-17 03:07:28 AM

Weaver95: This rethinking extends beyond the United States, where policy makers are debating how to better reduce demand for painkillers.

you don't need to reduce demand for painkillers, you just need to stop treating addiction as if it were a moral failure or due to lack of willpower. A better understanding of what causes addiction would help control what people do with powerful painkillers.


This. The problem isn't that they're addicted to pain killers, it's a currently inevitable by-product of the pain killers we have. Deal with it in some other way than driving them to buying off the street where they inevitably fall into cycles of feast or famine, binging to compensate for withdrawals and ever escalating tolerance issues.

With that said, there are a reasonable number of people who probably shouldn't be started on pain killers as early in treatment as they are. But it's hardly the overwhelming majority of cases, and the puritanical boot-strappy farks pushing this crap damn well know it. You could show up at your doctor with your arm broke in 5 places and he'd try to send you home with aspirin nowadays, grudgingly giving in to vic 5's after you threaten to show him on something other than the Mr. Hurty Face doll just how much it hurts, and the instructions to take 1 every 4 hours even though he damn well knows it would take 2 to 3 5's to cut that kind of pain. Short of the actual pill mills and 90 year old backwoods family practice doctor's, getting any sort of actual pain killer is like pulling teeth nowadays, even if you just had teeth pulled. If you're in serious chronic pain you're probably better off getting a serious pill habit built up buying off the streets then signing up for a methadone clinic once you're 'addicted enough'.
 
2012-07-17 03:08:39 AM
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When we created Mara Salvatrucha, they were only *this* big!


/WHINSEC FOR THE WIN!
 
2012-07-17 03:10:09 AM
Too Fast, Too...ooo, pills.
 
2012-07-17 03:10:15 AM
Ever want to see an old folk fight you with true tenacity? Take away their "good" prescriptions.

Old story:

Teenage daughter began to feel sick when visiting her grandparents. She asked her grandmother for something to remedy her illness.
The grandmother came back with different pills in each hand and said, "Do you want to try to treat what's wrong with you or just forget about it?"
 
2012-07-17 03:10:48 AM
FTFA: But momentum for a broader change in domestic drug policy - as in foreign policy - appears to be building. D.E.A. officials say they have recently created 37 "tactical diversion squads" focusing on prescription drug investigations, with 26 more to be added over the next few years.

"Man, our strategy of drowning those filthy drug users in cops isn't working. Better throw more cops at it."

[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-07-17 03:12:06 AM

NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?


images02.olx.com

Diverted yet?
 
2012-07-17 03:13:20 AM

cman: NewportBarGuy: cman: I am not prescribed adderall. I buy it from people I know.

Email me. We'll talk.

Your EIP bounced back. Send me an email cman[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]krafartlu[* image 7x13]com


Stop it with the WIE!
 
2012-07-17 03:14:48 AM
Weaver95: you don't need to reduce demand for painkillers, you just need to stop treating addiction as if it were a moral failure or due to lack of willpower. A better understanding of what causes addiction would help control what people do with powerful painkillers.

Holy crap. I agree with Weaver95 on something. Of course, that doesn't stop the eventual influx of FARK posters who would like us to know about the terrible injuries they had, and that they didn't use painkillers because only weak people do.

No, really. You always get one or two in these threads.

The problem is that either people are having their pain poorly treated by GPs, which leads to overuse and abuse of prescription drugs, or they have untreated or undiagnosed secondary mental health/emotional issues that aren't being managed or addressed.

cman: The drugs I use are RX only that I buy from people I know. shiat, if I could find actual honest to god good methamphetamine, I wouldnt need be doing this. Instead I am stuck with shiatty Dextroamphetamine in Adderall.

Wow. I seriously hope you're trolling. Abuse of methamphetamine, even prescription, can have horrendous cardiovascular and neurological/psychiatric side effects.

Unless you're going for early onset dementia and having an overworked, underpaid hispanic CNA changing your pants after you shiat yourself in the nursing home. Then, keep going.
 
2012-07-17 03:15:34 AM

gilgigamesh: I died from a marijuana overdose.

I got better.


That's the worst kind of death to have since you wish you were dead while being absolutely terrified of dying.
 
2012-07-17 03:16:05 AM

BSABSVR: NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?

Highly trained paramilitary units designed to distract you from buying or manufacturing drugs. Mostly they operate as street magicians.


Could be worse. They could be mimes.
 
2012-07-17 03:17:00 AM
how to reduce opiate use?
give everyone hemmroids!
 
2012-07-17 03:17:15 AM
NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?

Diversion is the medical-industry term for stealing prescriptions. They're "diverted" from their intended use.

It's a polite way of referring to someone who's stealing drugs and hurting their patients as something other than "scumbag".

/knew a nurse who would draw up Fentanyl, Morphine, and Demerol and replace it with saline. They only caught her because they realized that no matter how much they gave, it wouldn't work.
 
2012-07-17 03:17:17 AM

Frederick: Prescription drug abuse is systematically tolerable because there is a direct corporate profit to be made from selling prescription drugs.


Or because to obtain them you have to have a doctor explicitly explain to you exactly how to use them properly, making any results of "abuse" totally your own damned fault.

This would also pretty much apply to most illegal drugs if they were legal and just had health warnings on the box. A chemical overdose is not a tragedy or even particularly sad unless someone else force-fed you the chemicals in question. In fact, I think we should give you a free modest funeral if you OD for services rendered to the quality of society and the gene pool. Thanks for bowing out, useless people, we appreciate your devotion to the improvement of the species.

//If we abolished the DEA and all drug laws and instead invested like 1 or 2% of the money saved in prison costs and department costs on just opening public-funded rehab centers we'd probably be closer to solving the problem, plus the extra couple trillion dollars in the public accounts would be kinda nice.
//Easy to propose better solutions to the drug issue since doing absolutely nothing about it, historically, has been significantly better both in effectiveness and efficiency than the current plan.
 
2012-07-17 03:18:09 AM

Danger Avoid Death: BSABSVR: NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?

Highly trained paramilitary units designed to distract you from buying or manufacturing drugs. Mostly they operate as street magicians.

Could be worse. They could be mimes.


The Geneva Conventions called. They hated your idea.
 
2012-07-17 03:22:09 AM

zixr: gilgigamesh: I died from a marijuana overdose.

I got better.

That's the worst kind of death to have since you wish you were dead while being absolutely terrified of dying.


Pass the Cheetohs.
 
2012-07-17 03:22:46 AM

Sabyen91: NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?

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Diverted yet?


But how many of those cannons are needed to outfit 53 squads? Caliber of that size arn't just grown, usually have to be custom built, and they kinda have a 2 year field life.

/off to do research...
 
2012-07-17 03:32:15 AM

Weaver95: This rethinking extends beyond the United States, where policy makers are debating how to better reduce demand for painkillers.

you don't need to reduce demand for painkillers, you just need to stop treating addiction as if it were a moral failure or due to lack of willpower. A better understanding of what causes addiction would help control what people do with powerful painkillers.


Or cigarettes, even.
 
2012-07-17 03:36:00 AM

NFA: What are "tactical diversion squads" ?


This
 
2012-07-17 03:38:12 AM
So glad my only habitual naughtiness (not addiction :p) is the dreaded weed.

Have known peeps addicted to scary stuff and its never pleasant.

I think the problem is that for some reason we think its 'Tough' or 'Manly' to face DEATH rather than accept it and make the most of whatever the day brings.

We (esp. in the West) hide DEATH, avoid talking about it, avoid thinking about it, and yet we are all heading in only on direction -> DEATH!!!!

I find smoking a bit of the sacred herb (so wish it was cheap enough for me to eat it instead :( ) helps to distract me from the omnipresence of DEATH and enjoy bumming out and doing mindless enjoyable things.

DEATH DEATH DEATH - that is the true enemy that we fear and constantly try and avoid thinking of - sh*t in the West we don't even celebrate the Day of the Dead. We are ever so busy distracting ourselves from reality.
 
2012-07-17 03:39:44 AM

Langdon_777: So glad my only habitual naughtiness (not addiction :p) is the dreaded weed.

Have known peeps addicted to scary stuff and its never pleasant.

I think the problem is that for some reason we think its 'Tough' or 'Manly' to face DEATH rather than accept it and make the most of whatever the day brings.

We (esp. in the West) hide DEATH, avoid talking about it, avoid thinking about it, and yet we are all heading in only on direction -> DEATH!!!!

I find smoking a bit of the sacred herb (so wish it was cheap enough for me to eat it instead :( ) helps to distract me from the omnipresence of DEATH and enjoy bumming out and doing mindless enjoyable things.

DEATH DEATH DEATH - that is the true enemy that we fear and constantly try and avoid thinking of - sh*t in the West we don't even celebrate the Day of the Dead. We are ever so busy distracting ourselves from reality.


Killer weed, bro.
 
2012-07-17 03:41:08 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Killer weed, bro.


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2012-07-17 03:43:47 AM

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That farker keeps stealing my Doritos.
 
2012-07-17 03:48:17 AM
Another off shoot of the current system is the unreasonable fear some people have of safe and effective medications. My granddaughter is in labor, has been for 24 hrs or so. She was going natural and refused all meds due to fear of addiction issues later. Both for her and the baby. She finally accepted an epidural around 12 hours in, thankfully, but is still refusing anything else other than pitocin. She won't even take the anti-nausea meds because she doesn't want the medication to get to the child.

She has no history of addiction issues but she is so afraid of medicines because she thinks that addiction is so likely.
 
2012-07-17 03:48:22 AM

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2012-07-17 03:48:50 AM
Nah, the real fear won't come until you wake up to find out that your family doctor and half the rest of the nation's doctors have been arrested by the DEA for prescribing a prohibited narcotic - the prohibition of which is classified and unavailable - and then summarily executed after show trials.

The Syrian States of America are coming. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

/Why the fark does anyone care if a junkie kills themselves? Who cares how or why? By that time every level of society has already failed them anyway, at least they had some measure of control over their own exit.
//Raising people right and mental health treatment would go so much further than banning everything anyone uses to escape crushing reality for a few short minutes.
 
2012-07-17 03:50:21 AM
Diazapam. AKA: Valium. quietly addicting (and in a lot of places killing) more people since its inception than any other drug short of nicotine or caffeine.
 
2012-07-17 03:50:57 AM

Philbb: Another off shoot of the current system is the unreasonable fear some people have of safe and effective medications. My granddaughter is in labor, has been for 24 hrs or so. She was going natural and refused all meds due to fear of addiction issues later. Both for her and the baby. She finally accepted an epidural around 12 hours in, thankfully, but is still refusing anything else other than pitocin. She won't even take the anti-nausea meds because she doesn't want the medication to get to the child.

She has no history of addiction issues but she is so afraid of medicines because she thinks that addiction is so likely.


Was one of her parents of other role models a major addict? That kind of abject fear more often comes from growing up around a junkie or alcoholic than scary DARE messages.
 
2012-07-17 03:54:28 AM

Jim_Callahan: This would also pretty much apply to most illegal drugs if they were legal and just had health warnings on the box. A chemical overdose is not a tragedy or even particularly sad unless someone else force-fed you the chemicals in question. In fact, I think we should give you a free modest funeral if you OD for services rendered to the quality of society and the gene pool. Thanks for bowing out, useless people, we appreciate your devotion to the improvement of the species.

//If we abolished the DEA and all drug laws and instead invested like 1 or 2% of the money saved in prison costs and department costs on just opening public-funded rehab centers we'd probably be closer to solving the problem, plus the extra couple trillion dollars in the public accounts would be kinda nice.
//Easy to propose better solutions to the drug issue since doing absolutely nothing about it, historically, has been significantly better both in effectiveness and efficiency than the current plan.


I see I'm not the only one with this opinion. Funeral and drug costs are so much less than hospital and crime costs. Junkies should be forced to get a DNR if they want to take the drugs instead of getting help, but otherwise left alone with their supply.
 
2012-07-17 03:55:53 AM
If they'd take the acetaminophen out of some of the narcotic pain pills maybe fewer people would die. I live in a state where it only became law either this year or last year that to run a pain clinic you had to be a doctor. But no the obvious solution is to give cops more resources.
 
2012-07-17 03:58:44 AM

foxyshadis: Junkies should be forced to get a DNR if they want to take the drugs instead of getting help,


And if you bring a dying biatch over to Lance's house, YOU give her the shot.
 
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