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(Tampa Bay Online)   Really dude, if you flew all the way from Arizona to Tampa to have sex with wheelchair-bound, 14-year-old girl who bought your ticket with Grandma's credit card, the least you could do is shave   (www2.tbo.com) divider line 271
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2012-07-16 11:58:24 PM
Who DOES this?
*clicks link*

Ahh.
 
2012-07-17 12:11:44 AM
The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.
 
2012-07-17 12:24:07 AM
"Why don't you take a cue from your intended target and have a seat...right over there..."
 
2012-07-17 12:35:21 AM
Ironically, he will soon find himself in the position he intended for his victim: sexually assaulted and unable to walk.
 
2012-07-17 12:56:46 AM
I've done lots of stupid things in the pursuit of getting laid, but flying nearly cross-country? Maybe if it were 1999, when air travel was still easy. But these days with the dick-touching and the hours of security theater followed by surly service and the inevitable fat chick taking up half your own seat?

Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.
 
2012-07-17 02:06:50 AM

dickfreckle: Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.


Seriously.

500memes.com
 
2012-07-17 02:24:49 AM

SilentStrider: Who DOES this?
*clicks link*

Ahh.


meh
arizona ... this is normative. all you have to do is take one look at the people that they elect ...

Arizona. It's the new Kentucky!
 
2012-07-17 02:34:13 AM

namatad: SilentStrider: Who DOES this?
*clicks link*

Ahh.

meh
arizona ... this is normative. all you have to do is take one look at the people that they elect ...

Arizona. It's the new Kentucky!


Have you ever been to Bullhead City? I remember going there as a kid and it was 124 degrees one day, I've never felt such a thing since. If anything is to blame beyond the sick fark himself, I'd blame the heat.
 
2012-07-17 02:49:14 AM

doglover: The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.


The guy is a grade A scumbag but I am sure the girl knew what she was doing was wrong.
 
2012-07-17 02:54:31 AM

dopeydwarf: dickfreckle: Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.

Seriously.


El oh el
 
2012-07-17 02:56:02 AM

AbbeySomeone: doglover: The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.

The guy is a grade A scumbag but I am sure the girl knew what she was doing was wrong.


I honestly didn't expect there be a girl, let alone for her to actually be a party to this.

It looks like, for once, there's been an online "predator" I DON'T have trouble with the arrest of.
 
2012-07-17 03:17:16 AM
I thought meals on wheels came to you.
 
2012-07-17 05:05:07 AM
Wow. The ephlebophilic predators are getting desperate. Of course, this really should surprise no one, considering one of the prime targets of predators and sexual abusers are disabled children, teens, and adults. Far easier for them to control and keep quiet.

There is a staggering amount of victimization that pediatric and adolescent disabled boys and girls recieve, and goes unreported.

/yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.
 
2012-07-17 06:46:28 AM
She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.
 
2012-07-17 06:48:03 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.


Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

I guess if women didn't dress like they wanted it, they wouldn't get raped either, right?
 
2012-07-17 06:49:42 AM

BronyMedic: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

I guess if women didn't dress like they wanted it, they wouldn't get raped either, right?


Well, if they're paying for it, I'm not sure you can say they're really getting raped, irregardless of what they are wearing.
 
2012-07-17 06:50:42 AM

BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.


Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.
 
2012-07-17 06:54:12 AM

serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.


I thought he was refering to under phlebotomists but that's just me.
 
2012-07-17 06:56:51 AM

BronyMedic: yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.


You could just say "child molesters" and be done with it.
 
2012-07-17 06:57:41 AM
serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.


Thanks. I disabled my spellcheck on the iphone because every time I'd try to type a medical word, it'd turn it into something abstract and/or sexual.
 
2012-07-17 06:57:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.


A little bit of this. I'm sure she wouldn't have had a hard time looking for a 14 year old boy willing to fark her, but if he was out of town she wouldn't have been able to get him on a plane as easily.
This might have done more harm than good by reinforcing her feelings of being broken and unlovable.

Then again there's also a high probability of the girl getting locked in a basement and eventually dismembered if she's getting into shiat like this, so still a good thing to put a stop to it and arrest the creep.
 
2012-07-17 06:57:51 AM

BronyMedic: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?


AAG is a sock puppet and a troll.
 
2012-07-17 06:58:23 AM

AbbeySomeone: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

I thought he was refering to under phlebotomists but that's just me.


No no. The ones that love phleb, not the ones that want to remove it.
 
2012-07-17 06:58:49 AM
33? Holy crap that's a hard 33....
 
2012-07-17 06:59:01 AM

AbbeySomeone: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

I thought he was refering to under phlebotomists but that's just me.


Will you marry me?
 
2012-07-17 06:59:40 AM

Ed Grubermann: BronyMedic: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

AAG is a sock puppet and a troll.


If you're alluding to my love of a hand up my ass, I...

I've said too much...
 
2012-07-17 07:02:36 AM
Ed Grubermann: You could just say "child molesters" and be done with it.

I could, but then I'd get a bunch of pedantic pedophile apologists pointing out how it was a teenager, not a child, and how I'm just spreading misinformation and panic about these people. Predator, at least to me, seems like a much more apt definition of this person.

The point remains that an adult male tried to groom a disabled 14 year old teenager to take advantage of her for sex. The sad thing is, I could honestly see that if the gender was reversed - it was a 33 year old female and a 14 year old male, we'd be hearing all about how we should just give the boy a pat on the back.

Ed Grubermann: AAG is a sock puppet and a troll.

I think I recognized that a few posts back.
 
2012-07-17 07:03:57 AM
They're only mad because he made HER buy the tickets. A gentleman always pays his own way across the country to take advantage of children.
 
2012-07-17 07:04:11 AM

doglover: The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.


What makes you think it wasn't?

yes, even the puppets have their puppets. Thats why the lady's father is actually involved in any way with a disabled child.

BronyMedic:

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

I guess if women didn't dress like they wanted it, they wouldn't get raped either, right?


That's like saying the FBI wouldn't get their perpetrators without being traitors to the constitution, am I right?

/lolhomelandsecurity

//why do we really care about this disabled womans mississippi dildo?
 
2012-07-17 07:05:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy:
Well, if they're paying for it, I'm not sure you can say they're really getting raped, irregardless of what they are wearing.


Well, one, she didn't pay for it - technically, grandma did. Two, even if she'd paid for it, she paid for a plane ticket, not sex. Three, even if she handed over money, that doesn't mean she's a consenting adult, so the sex would still be rape. Your analogy is like saying that because a woman handed her sister's credit card to the bouncer to pay a third person's cover charge to a bar, she should have expected to get her organs harvested in the bathroom. None of it's connected logically and there's really no way any sane, non-mentally-ill person would think they're clear to commit that kind of depraved act.


Are you trying to troll? You're not coming off as "inspiring rage," you're coming off as "incredibly dumb and inspiring pity" - especially with the nonstandard-usage mistake/not-a-word "irregardless."
 
2012-07-17 07:05:19 AM

untaken_name: They're only mad because he made HER buy the tickets. A gentleman always pays his own way across the country to take advantage of children.


Hey, it's the 90s. Women can pay their fair share.
 
2012-07-17 07:07:06 AM
That guy's only 33? Cripes.
 
2012-07-17 07:07:19 AM

DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."


It's a word. Look it up.
 
2012-07-17 07:07:27 AM

serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.


E-feeble-phile- A person with a sexual fetish for boning feeble or disabled minors they met through the internets.
 
2012-07-17 07:08:00 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: untaken_name: They're only mad because he made HER buy the tickets. A gentleman always pays his own way across the country to take advantage of children.

Hey, it's the 90s. Women can pay their fair fare share.


FTFY
 
2012-07-17 07:09:33 AM

DataShade: nonstandard-usage mistake/not-a-word "irregardless."


I'm conflicted on this one; you're wrong, but I wish you weren't.

If it's in Webster's, it's a word. It *is* still nonstandard usage, but you can no longer say that using it is a mistake or that it is not a word. Link
 
2012-07-17 07:11:32 AM
Maybe he just didn't shave his face....

/bleh
 
2012-07-17 07:16:34 AM

untaken_name: It *is* still nonstandard usage


I like to be on the cutting edge. Like a phlebotologist, if the analogy holds.
 
2012-07-17 07:17:27 AM
"airplane tickets were purchased by the victim using her grandmother's credit card".

Heh, "victim".
 
2012-07-17 07:18:38 AM

untaken_name: They're only mad because he made HER buy the tickets. A gentleman always pays his own way across the country to take advantage of children.


You know, it just goes to show just how much of a loser this guy has to be if thats the case.

Think about it...he couldn't afford the ticket to get all rapey with a 14 year old girl. It kinda makes me wish prostitution (of adults) were legalized for people like him.

And there is the girl. Probably has no one to validate her, which is probably why she went along with this. Pity all around.
 
2012-07-17 07:21:20 AM

BronyMedic: redator, at least to me, seems like a much more apt definition of this person.


Yes. And the father caught him and turned him in. This is how the world should work. You watch out for your kids.

Here's the thing, online predators are a very small percentage of the people who hurt children. The overwhelming majority of people who do bad things to kids are family or at least close friends of the family. So it irks me when the FBI spends countless man hours and dollars looking for pedos online and setting up convoluted honey pot stings in chat rooms and shiat like that when they could just as easily have put all that money in other resources and helped a lot more kids. Take those computers and agent hours and give them to child welfare. Instead of baiting the odd tard into going full felony, use those agents to survail possible abusive homes. They're the fedral beaurau of INVESTIGATION. It's all about priorities.

Instead, they do the least amount of work possible to help the least number of children, in potential and actual, cry "We love all children." while hypocritically continuing the war on drugs which has orphaned and killed more kids in the past few decades than most wars that involved the Pentagon. It's freakin' mind blowing when you get down to it.

What they should really do is drop the war on drugs and start the war on misalocation of law enforcement resources on speed traps, pot heads, and whatever Sherrif Joe is up to these days.
 
2012-07-17 07:28:02 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: And there is the girl. Probably has no one to validate her, which is probably why she went along with this. Pity all around.


Very good odds this girl lives with abusive family members.
 
2012-07-17 07:28:05 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Think about it...he couldn't afford the ticket to get all rapey with a 14 year old girl. It kinda makes me wish prostitution (of adults) were legalized for people like him.


I don't think legalized prostitution would have helped much in his case. He was clearly willing to break the law to fly to Florida to fark a 14 year old girl, something tells me he wouldn't have given much thought to being caught with a prostitute in his home town.

He's just a perv who gets off on underaged, disabled girls.

/prostitution should be legalized though, just not for the likes of him
 
2012-07-17 07:34:17 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: irregardless


irregardless |ˌiriˈgärdlis|
adjective& adverb informal
regardless.
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: probably a blend of irrespective and regardless.
usage: Irregardless is widely heard, perhaps arising under the influence of such perfectly correct forms as irrespective, but should be avoided by careful users of English. Use regardless to mean 'without regard or consideration for' or 'nevertheless'.
 
2012-07-17 07:34:53 AM

miss diminutive: Diogenes The Cynic: Think about it...he couldn't afford the ticket to get all rapey with a 14 year old girl. It kinda makes me wish prostitution (of adults) were legalized for people like him.

I don't think legalized prostitution would have helped much in his case. He was clearly willing to break the law to fly to Florida to fark a 14 year old girl, something tells me he wouldn't have given much thought to being caught with a prostitute in his home town.

He's just a perv who gets off on underaged, disabled girls.

/prostitution should be legalized though, just not for the likes of him


Why can't he just pay $10 for a girl half way around the world to poop in the sink in front of her webcam like the rest of us civilized adults.
 
2012-07-17 07:35:23 AM
It's not like she'd feel it, so he'd have to do something special for her...
www.wicked-vision.com

Maybe she gives good head.

/window please
 
2012-07-17 07:35:37 AM
I was watching that catch a predator show the other night and the quality of idiots who fall for the bait is just staggering. Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman, let alone some underage girl. It's like they all came from Walmart.
 
2012-07-17 07:39:11 AM

doglover: BronyMedic: redator, at least to me, seems like a much more apt definition of this person.

Yes. And the father caught him and turned him in. This is how the world should work. You watch out for your kids.

Here's the thing, online predators are a very small percentage of the people who hurt children. The overwhelming majority of people who do bad things to kids are family or at least close friends of the family. So it irks me when the FBI spends countless man hours and dollars looking for pedos online and setting up convoluted honey pot stings in chat rooms and shiat like that when they could just as easily have put all that money in other resources and helped a lot more kids. Take those computers and agent hours and give them to child welfare. Instead of baiting the odd tard into going full felony, use those agents to survail possible abusive homes. They're the fedral beaurau of INVESTIGATION. It's all about priorities.

Instead, they do the least amount of work possible to help the least number of children, in potential and actual, cry "We love all children." while hypocritically continuing the war on drugs which has orphaned and killed more kids in the past few decades than most wars that involved the Pentagon. It's freakin' mind blowing when you get down to it.

What they should really do is drop the war on drugs and start the war on misalocation of law enforcement resources on speed traps, pot heads, and whatever Sherrif Joe is up to these days.


Despite your being a total git when it comes to religion, I have to say that I pretty much agree with you here.
 
2012-07-17 07:39:40 AM

elguerodiablo: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

E-feeble-phile- A person with a sexual fetish for boning feeble or disabled minors they met through the internets.


Am I wrong to have read that as "E-weeble-wobble-phile" and laughed?
 
2012-07-17 07:40:04 AM

elguerodiablo: miss diminutive: Diogenes The Cynic: Think about it...he couldn't afford the ticket to get all rapey with a 14 year old girl. It kinda makes me wish prostitution (of adults) were legalized for people like him.

I don't think legalized prostitution would have helped much in his case. He was clearly willing to break the law to fly to Florida to fark a 14 year old girl, something tells me he wouldn't have given much thought to being caught with a prostitute in his home town.

He's just a perv who gets off on underaged, disabled girls.

/prostitution should be legalized though, just not for the likes of him

Why can't he just pay $10 for a girl half way around the world to poop in the sink in front of her webcam like the rest of us civilized adults.


Heh. Pay. That's funny.
 
2012-07-17 07:40:09 AM

gilgigamesh: Ironically, he will soon find himself in the position he intended for his victim: sexually assaulted and unable to walk.


Is she a victim is she is paying for a guy to come fark her? It kinda sounds like she wanted it.

It's not like she told some stranger she was scared because she was home alone, and he said he'd come 'help' her. She knew full well what she was bringing the dude over for.

But seriously molester dude, what did you think was gonna happen? It's not like 14 year old girls have much time alone. She lives with her parents dumb-ass. In a wheelchair...in a cave....with a box of scraps.
 
2012-07-17 07:40:16 AM

gilgigamesh: Ironically, he will soon find himself in the position he intended for his victim: sexually assaulted and unable to walk.


Nah, even prison rapists have standards.
 
2012-07-17 07:40:53 AM

bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman


I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.
 
2012-07-17 07:41:09 AM

K3rmy: elguerodiablo: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

E-feeble-phile- A person with a sexual fetish for boning feeble or disabled minors they met through the internets.

Am I wrong to have read that as "E-weeble-wobble-phile" and laughed?


Well, in the chair, she won't fall down...
 
2012-07-17 07:41:50 AM
People like this are the reason why we should completely bypass the Constitution and go completely Soviet-style on him.
 
2012-07-17 07:42:18 AM

Ed Grubermann: BronyMedic: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

AAG is a sock puppet and a troll.


Be that as it may, it's not uncommon for younger women and older men to get together.
I have a distant relative who was 44 when he married a 14-year-old. That was in 1908 and the male relative was found to have become subsequently older on US census forms as the decades passed. He may have had some incentive to lie about his age as regards his young bride.

Men and women of all ages farking: It's not a newsflash.
 
2012-07-17 07:42:20 AM

AbbeySomeone:
The guy is a grade A scumbag but I am sure the girl knew what she was doing was wrong was desperate for some love and affection.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-17 07:43:43 AM
Did anyone else notice the drop-down banner ad for the RNC?
 
2012-07-17 07:45:23 AM

dopeydwarf: dickfreckle: Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.

Seriously.


It's scary how much my life mirrors FBF.
 
2012-07-17 07:53:57 AM
MythDragon: Is she a victim is she is paying for a guy to come fark her? It kinda sounds like she wanted it.

She didn't pay for him to come fark her. She stole a credit card, and stole money to get the guy there.

It's called grooming. The predator conditions and "trains" his or her victim to accept and further their advances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming
 
2012-07-17 07:56:05 AM

orbister: AbbeySomeone:
The guy is a grade A scumbag but I am sure the girl knew what she was doing was wrong was desperate for some love and affection.

FTFY.


Right, and maybe this event is a blessing and she can learn about consequences and how it's wrong to steal credit cards. If she is this much of a vulnerable female it needs to be corrected immediately or her entire life will follow this pattern.
 
2012-07-17 07:56:30 AM

Raharu: Despite your being a total git when it comes to religion, I have to say that I pretty much agree with you here.


You'll come around on religion, too.

Atheism is a valid scientific position to hold, but it's also not very helpful when you're trying to do something difficult like stay awake for nine days straight without food and only a mouthful of water on the fifth day. Prayer and meditation, on the other hand, are more than enough to help see the dedicated practitioner through. You shouldn't just throw such peerless mental tools away in your myopic love affair with particle accelerators and space probes just because your initial reaction is skeptical.

Just like you shouldn't be claiming a victory for children when you save a fiction child who never existed from a "predator" that didn't actually predatorize any children while the rest of your department is out there greasing the wheels of the underworld locking up people's dads and moms for tiny amounts of pot and other recreational drugs, almost ensuring those American kids wind up in some kind of abusive foster home or something worse at some point in their needless oddessy though a broken system.

Stand down those narcotics officers and put them on a more useful job assignment and you'll save more families in a year than all the efforts of the past decade. Save the family, save the children.
Doglover for President of Earth 2012
"Drugs, for the children. Wait, that sound wrong!"
 
2012-07-17 07:56:59 AM
Jim Gaffigan is looking rough these days
 
2012-07-17 07:57:22 AM

tankjr: bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman

I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.


Perhaps all three, but also strongly acculturated to a lifestyle that requires an exchange of value for a service or anything else, even a relationship. It's an authoritarian follower mindset, common to cops, prison guards, shut-ins, religious zealots, hierarchically oriented people, etc. They think only idiots act on their impulses to have sexual relationship without social/monetary exchange guarantees in place. It's an old school, very unimaginative outlook.
 
2012-07-17 07:57:32 AM

doglover: So it irks me when the FBI spends countless man hours and dollars looking for pedos online and setting up convoluted honey pot stings in chat rooms and shiat like that when they could just as easily have put all that money in other resources and helped a lot more kids.


The FBI directors are not doing this because it wipes out huge swaths of crime. While you are correct that the likelihood of a kid getting diddled is more likely to come from someone they know rather than some online predator or even a random stranger in the streets, these stings, simply put are not for your approval. These stings are for the approval of the scared, white, suburban soccer mom who spends way too many hours watching movies on Lifetime.

Gotta remember, for years and YEARS now, younger generations have been lead to believe that all strangers are either peddling drugs or want to touch their "naughty places"...and God forbid said stranger is a non-white, because then...whooooo...they gonna rob you too!
 
2012-07-17 07:58:42 AM

Endive Wombat: and God forbid said stranger is a non-white


Come to think of it, the subject of this article does look Irish, doesn't he?
 
2012-07-17 07:59:04 AM

bim1154: I was watching that catch a predator show the other night and the quality of idiots who fall for the bait is just staggering. Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman, let alone some underage girl. It's like they all came from Walmart.


They aren't looking to offer anything. They are looking to take. Big difference.

Also, not to blame the victim but is she mentally disabled as well as physically? I mean she must have known dear ole Granny was going to see the charges on her credit card bill. Or perhaps she just didn't care?

/It's Florida so...
 
2012-07-17 07:59:38 AM

James F. Campbell: Diogenes The Cynic: And there is the girl. Probably has no one to validate her, which is probably why she went along with this. Pity all around.

Very good odds this girl lives with abusive family members.


And one very ditzy Grandmother who doesn't keep track of her credit cards.
 
2012-07-17 08:00:16 AM

hobblekitty: Also, not to blame the victim but is she mentally disabled as well as physically? I mean she must have known dear ole Granny was going to see the charges on her credit card bill. Or perhaps she just didn't care?


She's 14. That's about as mentally disabled as you can get.
 
2012-07-17 08:02:01 AM

doglover: BronyMedic: redator, at least to me, seems like a much more apt definition of this person.

Yes. And the father caught him and turned him in. This is how the world should work. You watch out for your kids.

Here's the thing, online predators are a very small percentage of the people who hurt children. The overwhelming majority of people who do bad things to kids are family or at least close friends of the family. So it irks me when the FBI spends countless man hours and dollars looking for pedos online and setting up convoluted honey pot stings in chat rooms and shiat like that when they could just as easily have put all that money in other resources and helped a lot more kids. Take those computers and agent hours and give them to child welfare. Instead of baiting the odd tard into going full felony, use those agents to survail possible abusive homes. They're the fedral beaurau of INVESTIGATION. It's all about priorities.

Instead, they do the least amount of work possible to help the least number of children, in potential and actual, cry "We love all children." while hypocritically continuing the war on drugs which has orphaned and killed more kids in the past few decades than most wars that involved the Pentagon. It's freakin' mind blowing when you get down to it.

What they should really do is drop the war on drugs and start the war on misalocation of law enforcement resources on speed traps, pot heads, and whatever Sherrif Joe is up to these days.


It's ok though, because it's the US government. They will quickly learn and adapt to set better priorities. They always do.
 
2012-07-17 08:04:26 AM

doglover: Raharu: Despite your being a total git when it comes to religion, I have to say that I pretty much agree with you here.

You'll come around on religion, too.

Atheism is a valid scientific position to hold, but it's also not very helpful when you're trying to do something difficult like stay awake for nine days straight without food and only a mouthful of water on the fifth day. Prayer and meditation, on the other hand, are more than enough to help see the dedicated practitioner through. You shouldn't just throw such peerless mental tools away in your myopic love affair with particle accelerators and space probes just because your initial reaction is skeptical.

"

No its not. No no, not at all. Are you trying to be as wrong as possible? Do you even know what science is?

Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.
 
2012-07-17 08:09:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: hobblekitty: Also, not to blame the victim but is she mentally disabled as well as physically? I mean she must have known dear ole Granny was going to see the charges on her credit card bill. Or perhaps she just didn't care?

She's 14. That's about as mentally disabled as you can get.


This.
Everyone knows 14-year-old girls are exceptionally stable, dependable, forgiving, and rational.
In fact, they would be excellent emotional models upon which to base the artificial intelligence for an entire line of cybernetic humanoid machines. They could be called Cybernetic Lifeform Nodes or something like that. They could be even be allowed to form their own religious sensibilities.
 
2012-07-17 08:10:01 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.


That's why Carl Sagan was an agnostic.
 
2012-07-17 08:11:43 AM
This thread has nearly everything, but is begging for Hollywood.
 
2012-07-17 08:12:53 AM

AbbeySomeone: If she is this much of a vulnerable female it needs to be corrected immediately or her entire life will follow this pattern.


You mean seeking approval and affection and a sense of belonging and meaning?
Don't want that crap happening.
Gotta nip it in the bud before it gets a foothold.

/Is humanism against the law, too?
 
2012-07-17 08:16:33 AM
TooOld.jpg
 
2012-07-17 08:16:54 AM

Also:

download.xbox.com
Or did you think I'd be too stupid to know what a eugoogly is?
 
2012-07-17 08:17:53 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.


What "metaphysical truths?"
 
2012-07-17 08:26:22 AM

Full Blown Jimbo: That guy's only 33? Cripes.


No kidding! Yuck!
 
2012-07-17 08:27:59 AM

Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"


Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.
 
2012-07-17 08:28:26 AM
Fark you, subby.

I didn't want to laugh THAT hard this morning.
 
2012-07-17 08:29:04 AM

Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"


The ones we hold to claim are not self-evident. That all men are NOT created equal. That if the God from the Old Testament is to be believed to have existed, then we should be glad He is past the little tantrums He had that would make a 4-year old cringe. That if such a supreme being existed with such intellect, cunning eye and intelligent design, he also is possessed of a wicked sense of humor stating "Be fruitful and multiply" yet giving some men very small penises.

So it is God's fault this dude could not get laid and had to resort a early-teen, wheelchair bound gutter slut.
 
2012-07-17 08:29:07 AM
Damn, that's a rough 33. I would peg him for late, late 40s or early 50s.
 
2012-07-17 08:29:14 AM
A girl in wheelchair is out on a dock crying and a jogger runs past and asks what is wrong. She replies I am 14 years old and have never been kissed. He kisses her and runs away. Two weeks later he sees her out there crying again. He asks what is wrong. She replies I am 15 years old now and have never been f*cked. He pushes her wheelchair off the dock into the water and says you are f*cked now.
 
2012-07-17 08:29:20 AM

slotz: AbbeySomeone: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

I thought he was refering to under phlebotomists but that's just me.

Will you marry me?



Dude, you can't post naked pictures on Fark.
 
2012-07-17 08:30:00 AM
So... was she hot?
 
2012-07-17 08:31:40 AM
so how is 14 really that different from 18
after all
mother of mary jesus magdalane was 14
 
2012-07-17 08:33:02 AM
It was funner when "irregardless" wasn't a word.


/yep, that one too
 
2012-07-17 08:35:48 AM

monoski: A girl in wheelchair is out on a dock crying and a jogger runs past and asks what is wrong. She replies I am 14 years old and have never been kissed. He kisses her and runs away. Two weeks later he sees her out there crying again. He asks what is wrong. She replies I am 15 years old now and have never been f*cked. He pushes her wheelchair off the dock into the water and says you are f*cked now.


Ok, I lol'd
 
2012-07-17 08:41:36 AM
Control + F ...insert "vegetable.....= "not found"....

Le Sigh......Come *ON* Fark.....


Q: What's the most difficult thing about eating vegetables?
A: Getting them out of the wheelchair.


/bah dah BIN...oh the hell with it.
 
2012-07-17 08:42:15 AM

AbbeySomeone: doglover: The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.

The guy is a grade A scumbag but I am sure the girl knew what she was doing was wrong.


Don't blame the victim. Bad habit to get into.

Between the ages of 0-7 (lets say), you teach your kid right from wrong.
Between the ages of 8-(until you're dead essentially) you teach your kid judgement.
Right from wrong has NOTHING to do with judgement (usually)

So lets look at it from her perspective and we see that . . . OH! we can't because, SHE'S IN A CHAIR and you and I are not - I'm not a 14 year old girl either (don't know about you but, I have suspicions)

So - don't blame the victim - there's enough of that going around anyway -
 
2012-07-17 08:42:23 AM
I can imagine a 14-yo arranging something like that, just to get laid. 14-yo, boys and girls, are hornier than a rhino, and that clouds their judgement.

At 33 year-old, you are supposed to be past that, be the voice of reason, and say "there's no way in hell I'm doing that".
 
2012-07-17 08:43:04 AM
Back when I was a kid, the molesters all followed an unspoken code of conduct. Doing kids in wheelchairs was considered wrong.
 
2012-07-17 08:44:08 AM

JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.


You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.
 
2012-07-17 08:45:45 AM

Diogenes The Cynic:
No its not. No no, not at all. Are you trying to be as wrong as possible? Do you even know what science is?

It's the interpretation of verifiable, reproducible evidence. Religion is the assumption of truths written anonymously in apocryphal manuals that rely on themselves for proof.

Atheism as science goes something like this: Some people a long time ago totally pinky-swore they saw a god. Some rational person hypothesizes that a god must exist and sets out to prove it with evidence, because that's what science is. The nonexistence of a thing cannot conclusively be proven; if someone asserts that a thing exists he bears the burden of proving its existence. Since the god story relies on things we cannot observe (conclusively detecting the supernatural, correctly identifying and interpreting the intentions of an eternal god-thing, the ability for a mortal who can't even visualize numbers small enough that they can be conveniently written down to somehow understand and articulate the infinite) the only proof is the say-so of the mythology itself, which is not verifiable. Since the god-thing as described in these books cannot be proven by scientific means, science suggests there are no such beings.

If The Man came down here today, calmed the oceans with a look, healed a guy by touching his forehead and turned some smartass into a pillar of salt, you bet your ass I'd be at his feet with the rest of you - but not because I would "believe". I would know. Assuming a god-thing is inifinitely wise and savvy, such a creature would be able to look at the information I have to go on, evaluate the trustworthiness of its source and understand why I wouldn't buy into it.

Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

Assuming the existence of metaphyiscal truths is a hell of a leap for someone who hasn't proven that there even is a metaphysical yet. Bring me back a postcard from infinity and we'll talk.
 
2012-07-17 08:46:37 AM
A pedo who can't even find a kid in his own state. So is he a double fail criminal?
 
2012-07-17 08:47:18 AM

PYROY: Back when I was a kid, the molesters all followed an unspoken code of conduct. Doing kids in wheelchairs was considered wrong.


Times change....people change....society changes.
This is all good now, right?!?!?
 
2012-07-17 08:48:08 AM

BronyMedic: Wow. The ephlebophilic predators are getting desperate. Of course, this really should surprise no one, considering one of the prime targets of predators and sexual abusers are disabled children, teens, and adults. Far easier for them to control and keep quiet.

There is a staggering amount of victimization that pediatric and adolescent disabled boys and girls recieve, and goes unreported.

/yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.



My girlfriend called me an ephlebophile once. I told her that was a really big word for a 12-year-old.
 
2012-07-17 08:50:30 AM

trotsky: Damn, that's a rough 33. I would peg him


To each their own, but... yeesh.

/If you go commit a crime in that county, you just might get your chance!
 
2012-07-17 08:50:49 AM

JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.


HERETIC!!!

The Unicorn is PURPLE!

PURGE THE HERETIC!


images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-17 08:51:10 AM
This story screams for the elusive Florizona tag.
 
2012-07-17 08:51:13 AM

bim1154: I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman, let alone some underage girl.


This is exactly why they do this in the first place... because they don't have anything to offer a woman, so no woman shows them more than morbid curiosity. Someone online comes along, doesn't matter what age, and says "I like you", and they're hooked, because it's the first time anyone has ever valued them. Yes, they take it to inappropriate places, but it's completely understandable they would - they're desperate and lonely.

I think the show should be called "To prey on pathetic losers"
 
2012-07-17 08:52:10 AM

Diogenes The Cynic:
Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.


I just rode a unicorn across a rainbow. Prove I didn't.

Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
2012-07-17 08:52:51 AM

JWideman: JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.

You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.


and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something
 
2012-07-17 08:52:58 AM
Raharu: JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

HERETIC!!!

The Unicorn is PURPLE!

PURGE THE HERETIC!

[images.wikia.com image 850x612]


Goddamnit.

-sigh-

This is now a pony thread.
 
2012-07-17 08:53:10 AM

K3rmy: a early-teen, wheelchair bound gutter slut.


I feel sorry for the people who have to live with you.
 
2012-07-17 08:53:44 AM

JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink.


Och! How do ye think I became the invisible six-armed unicorn bridge guy?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-17 08:54:18 AM

BronyMedic: Raharu: JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

HERETIC!!!

The Unicorn is PURPLE!

PURGE THE HERETIC!

[images.wikia.com image 850x612]

Goddamnit.

-sigh-

This is now a pony thread.


images.bluegartr.com
 
2012-07-17 08:55:52 AM

Raharu: The Unicorn is PURPLE!


BronyMedic: Raharu: JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

HERETIC!!!

The Unicorn is PURPLE!

PURGE THE HERETIC!

[images.wikia.com image 850x612]

Goddamnit.

-sigh-

This is now a pony thread.


Never doubt my power again.

arch.413chan.net
 
2012-07-17 08:56:13 AM

BronyMedic: Raharu: JWideman: You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

HERETIC!!!

The Unicorn is PURPLE!

PURGE THE HERETIC!

[images.wikia.com image 850x612]

Goddamnit.

-sigh-

This is now a pony thread.


fim.413chan.net
 
2012-07-17 08:56:22 AM
How many Vietnam vet's does it take to screw in a light bulb?....

3, one to hold the light bulb and 2 to spin the wheelchair.
 
2012-07-17 08:57:11 AM

Oblio13: Diogenes The Cynic:
Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

I just rode a unicorn across a rainbow. Prove I didn't.

Funny how that works, isn't it?


I love you. Now, using only science, prove or disprove that statement.

/it has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with the limitations of science.
 
2012-07-17 09:01:22 AM
Okay, that guy deserves to be locked up.

1. There are plenty of 18+ cripple chicks who would love to give it up for you if that's your fetish. Heck, there are even organizations that specialize in helping disabled people get dates. Just sign up for one of those.
2. If you wanted a younger one, sorry, but 18 is the age of consent in Florida and Arizona, the best you could do is target a 16 year old in Georgia, but even then I believe the consent requires parental permission.
3. Really, you had to ask her to buy the ticket?

Seriously, even female school teachers have enough sense to keep close to home with their affair.
 
2012-07-17 09:02:43 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: JWideman: JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.

You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something


Learn what?
That a murderous bloody fable is a metaphor?

/Or maybe that a creepy dude who flew to Florida to fark a wheelchair-bound 14-year-old is a martyr for my sins? He got arrested so I don't have to? All I have to do is accept Him as my savior and I'll be washed of the guilt of wanting to fark 14-year-olds? Sounds excellent.
 
2012-07-17 09:02:43 AM

Fubar: 33? Holy crap that's a hard 33....


That's what drinking a case of Rolling Rock a day does to you.

/33
//Obscure?
 
2012-07-17 09:05:01 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Or maybe that a creepy dude who flew to Florida to fark a wheelchair-bound 14-year-old is a martyr for my sins?



They have lumber and big nails at Home Depot. There's a simple way to find out.
 
2012-07-17 09:05:39 AM
BronyMedic - Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

Nah, that's just how she rolls.

/sorry, I'll just escort myself to the aisle seat
 
2012-07-17 09:05:41 AM
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-07-17 09:06:41 AM
dickfreckle
I've done lots of stupid things in the pursuit of getting laid, but flying nearly cross-country? Maybe if it were 1999, when air travel was still easy. But these days with the dick-touching and the hours of security theater followed by surly service and the inevitable fat chick taking up half your own seat?

Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.


Maybe he didn't care about banging an underage chick with wheels and just wanted a free trip to Florida.
 
2012-07-17 09:06:52 AM

Waldo Pepper: AverageAmericanGuy: irregardless

irregardless |ˌiriˈgärdlis|
adjective& adverb informal
regardless.
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: probably a blend of irrespective and regardless.
usage: Irregardless is widely heard, perhaps arising under the influence of such perfectly correct forms as irrespective, but should be avoided by careful users of English. Use regardless to mean 'without regard or consideration for' or 'nevertheless'.


Amen.

Definition of IRREGARDLESS
nonstandard: regardless
Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
 
2012-07-17 09:07:28 AM

JokerMattly: Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.


If you have no evidence that something exists, you have no reason to believe that it exists and considering the possibility is a waste of time. No, we can't rule out the existence of a higher power, but then again, this universe doesn't seem to have any use for such a thing. If everything can be explained through science (not yet, I know), why bother with gods?

After all, one would think that a so-called "higher power" would leave at least *some* physical evidence.
 
2012-07-17 09:08:50 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: JWideman: JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.

You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something


You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.
 
2012-07-17 09:13:25 AM
Wow this guy looks 53 not 33!
 
2012-07-17 09:13:47 AM

MythDragon: It's not like she'd feel it, so he'd have to do something special for her...
[www.wicked-vision.com image 420x243]

Maybe she gives good head.

/window please


What movie is that scene from ?
 
2012-07-17 09:13:57 AM
"What the f*ck, guys, it's like Make-A-Wish, I'm making this chick's dream come true. You'd be A-OK with it if she wanted to meet a celebrity. Instead she wants to get boned by an ugly old guy from across the country. Who are you do deny this girl's dreams?"
 
2012-07-17 09:14:07 AM
Also, I apologize profusely for inadvertently turning this into a pony thread.
 
2012-07-17 09:15:09 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Fubar: 33? Holy crap that's a hard 33....

That's what drinking a case of Rolling Rock a day does to you.

/33
//Obscure?


From the glass lined tanks of old Latrobe, we tender this premium beer for your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. it comes from the mountain springs to you "33"

/born in Latrobe
//sad that rolling rock isn't made there anymore.
 
2012-07-17 09:16:35 AM
twilight.ponychan.net
 
2012-07-17 09:17:10 AM

Uncle Tractor: If you have no evidence that something exists, you have no reason to believe that it exists and considering the possibility is a waste of time. No, we can't rule out the existence of a higher power, but then again, this universe doesn't seem to have any use for such a thing. If everything can be explained through science (not yet, I know), why bother with gods?

After all, one would think that a so-called "higher power" would leave at least *some* physical evidence.


Nobody can prove that love exists.
People create gods and religions to create alternate explanations for events so they can be released from the terrifying uncertainty of living in a random, indifferent universe, They also do it to release themselves and others from responsibility for their actions. Religion is the fuzzy logic that needs to be applied to life in the physical world in order to make it bearable to creature with highly developed senses of imagination.
 
2012-07-17 09:17:11 AM

JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.


On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.
 
2012-07-17 09:18:07 AM
What? Bronies in a pedo thread? No way!
 
2012-07-17 09:18:13 AM

JWideman: Also, I apologize profusely for inadvertently turning this into a pony thread.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-17 09:18:37 AM

Uncle Tractor: JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.

On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.


like father like son
 
2012-07-17 09:19:41 AM

Lurk sober post drunk: Uncle Tractor: JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.

On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.

like father like son


More like fanfic:

"The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a pseudepigraphical gospel about the childhood of Jesus that dates to the 2nd and 3rd centuries."
 
2012-07-17 09:22:41 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Nobody can prove that love exists.


Really?

upload.wikimedia.org

People create gods and religions to create alternate explanations for events so they can be released from the terrifying uncertainty of living in a random, indifferent universe,

Sure, but now we've got ways to find answers that aren't made up. Methods that provide real, workable answers. We call it "science."

They also do it to release themselves and others from responsibility for their actions. Religion is the fuzzy logic that needs to be applied to life in the physical world in order to make it bearable to creature with highly developed senses of imagination.

Religion is nothing but trouble.
 
2012-07-17 09:23:40 AM

ph0rk: More like fanfic:

"The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a pseudepigraphical gospel about the childhood of Jesus that dates to the 2nd and 3rd centuries."


Yeah... doesn't that describe just about 100% of the NT?
 
2012-07-17 09:28:07 AM

Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"


Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.
 
2012-07-17 09:29:04 AM

Uncle Tractor: ph0rk: More like fanfic:

"The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a pseudepigraphical gospel about the childhood of Jesus that dates to the 2nd and 3rd centuries."

Yeah... doesn't that describe just about 100% of the NT?


You said it, not me :)
 
2012-07-17 09:29:32 AM
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE?!?!

web.mit.edu

On the MOOOOOOOON!

/stop the Bronies... just stop.
 
2012-07-17 09:29:38 AM
I've learned from a friend that this My Little Pony phenomenon has nothing to do with pedophilia or degenerates in the vast majority of cases, but I can't help but think of what Nancy Grace would think if she stumbled into this thread.
 
2012-07-17 09:29:47 AM

BronyMedic: MythDragon: Is she a victim is she is paying for a guy to come fark her? It kinda sounds like she wanted it.

She didn't pay for him to come fark her. She stole a credit card, and stole money to get the guy there.

It's called grooming. The predator conditions and "trains" his or her victim to accept and further their advances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming


I know when I'm looking for expert medical testimony, I seek out the professional with an.associates degree in a tangentially related field and an 8 hour psych module for their expert psychiatric analysis. I mean, who doesn't learn everything there is to know about mental health between the mental inquest warrant class and the application of restraints class?
 
2012-07-17 09:30:06 AM

Uncle Tractor: JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.

On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.



Fictional characters' lives are so interesting, no?

I like the episode where Paul tries to kill Matthew because he was experiencing the Pon Farr, and Celia Lovsky plays T'Pau.
 
2012-07-17 09:30:36 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.


What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?
 
2012-07-17 09:31:23 AM

ph0rk: Uncle Tractor: ph0rk: More like fanfic:

"The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a pseudepigraphical gospel about the childhood of Jesus that dates to the 2nd and 3rd centuries."

Yeah... doesn't that describe just about 100% of the NT?

You said it, not me :)


Oh, well, of course there's some debate, but:

All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than around AD 150.[1] Numerous scholars date all of them prior to AD 70, because there is no mention of the total destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, or the final years and deaths of Paul, Peter, and the other apostles.

So, if it was as late as 3rd century it really is a different chunk of work. Whatever - I think people writing about the childhood of someone who was a relative nobody while a child 2-300 years later fails the plausibility test.
 
2012-07-17 09:32:57 AM

JWideman: JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.

You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.


Do you think you're funny? Or Anselm?
Burden of proof, yadda yadda yadda. You already know this. Read more.
Things can't have primary characteristics without secondary characteristics, so invisible pink unicorns couldn't exist.
 
2012-07-17 09:33:34 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?


Someone is still living in a pre-renaissance world and hasn't paid much attention to philosophy these days. They're well on the way to cornering the market on (secular) drooling, retarded step-brothers.
 
2012-07-17 09:33:54 AM

JWideman: Also, I apologize profusely for inadvertently turning this into a pony thread.


It was an atheism thread. I like your version better.
 
2012-07-17 09:33:55 AM
fc05.deviantart.net
 
2012-07-17 09:34:24 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy.



th04.deviantart.net
 
2012-07-17 09:36:32 AM
www2.tbo.comimg2-1.timeinc.net

hot pocket
 
2012-07-17 09:37:09 AM

dickfreckle: I've done lots of stupid things in the pursuit of getting laid, but flying nearly cross-country? Maybe if it were 1999, when air travel was still easy. But these days with the dick-touching and the hours of security theater followed by surly service and the inevitable fat chick taking up half your own seat?

Seriously, I'd rather stay home and jerk off.


But, you see, you don't have to actually fly. You just need to go through security and have an open mind.
 
2012-07-17 09:37:38 AM

DataShade: AverageAmericanGuy:
Well, if they're paying for it, I'm not sure you can say they're really getting raped, irregardless of what they are wearing.

Well, one, she didn't pay for it - technically, grandma did. Two, even if she'd paid for it, she paid for a plane ticket, not sex. Three, even if she handed over money, that doesn't mean she's a consenting adult, so the sex would still be rape. Your analogy is like saying that because a woman handed her sister's credit card to the bouncer to pay a third person's cover charge to a bar, she should have expected to get her organs harvested in the bathroom. None of it's connected logically and there's really no way any sane, non-mentally-ill person would think they're clear to commit that kind of depraved act.


Are you trying to troll? You're not coming off as "inspiring rage," you're coming off as "incredibly dumb and inspiring pity" - especially with the nonstandard-usage mistake/not-a-word "irregardless."


Sometimes the extra ir is used for emphasis, and though it may be a nonstandard word, its still in the dictionary, so guess what that makes it :D
 
2012-07-17 09:38:16 AM

jgilb: MythDragon: It's not like she'd feel it, so he'd have to do something special for her...
[www.wicked-vision.com image 420x243]

Maybe she gives good head.

/window please

What movie is that scene from ?


Freddy Got Fingered.
 
2012-07-17 09:38:29 AM

tankjr: bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman

I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.


did i miss something? what's wrong with what he said?
 
2012-07-17 09:38:31 AM

Nappy Imus: its still in the dictionary, so guess what that makes it :D


Errata!
 
2012-07-17 09:38:39 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?


Newton basically created the scientific method. It existed in some basic forms, but he systematized it. Without the scientific method, we would just be making guesses without a way of knowing why were right or wrong.

Even so, science is weak. True it uses mathematics, but it relies on deductive, and not inductive logic to work. So, its not foolproof, but it works.
 
2012-07-17 09:40:29 AM

Uncle Tractor:
Religion is nothing but trouble.


RAmen.
 
2012-07-17 09:40:58 AM
I prefer Fluttershart, the pony with the digestive issues.
 
2012-07-17 09:40:59 AM

Uncle Tractor: JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.

On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.


Most of the cannonical Gospels were written about 20-60 years after the death of Jesus. That was written about 200 years after the death of Jesus, FYI. That infantcy gospel is not to be confused with the Gospel of Thomas, which is very different. That is basically just a collection of sayings, which neither supports nor refutes Jesus' divinity. It may pre-date the cannonical Gospels. The further from the date of Jesus' death you go, the more mythical the narrative becomes. But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that Jesus actually did exist.

/Too reasonable a stance for a religion comment?
 
2012-07-17 09:41:22 AM
vagina ain't handicapped

Lyrics NSFW, also, its just awful
 
2012-07-17 09:41:48 AM

Full Blown Jimbo: That guy's only 33? Cripes.


It's that wonderful desert sun. It'll turn you to shoe leather.
I mean, hell, look at their governor.

msnbcmedia2.msn.com
 
2012-07-17 09:42:00 AM

Pathman: tankjr: bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman

I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.

did i miss something? what's wrong with what he said?


I was wondering the same thing, but this is fark so I just move on.
 
2012-07-17 09:42:50 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

Newton basically created the scientific method. It existed in some basic forms, but he systematized it. Without the scientific method, we would just be making guesses without a way of knowing why were right or wrong.

Even so, science is weak. True it uses mathematics, but it relies on deductive, and not inductive logic to work. So, its not foolproof, but it works.


And? How was philosophy involved in the development of the periodic table?
 
2012-07-17 09:43:09 AM

BronyMedic: MythDragon: Is she a victim is she is paying for a guy to come fark her? It kinda sounds like she wanted it.

She didn't pay for him to come fark her. She stole a credit card, and stole money to get the guy there.

It's called grooming. The predator conditions and "trains" his or her victim to accept and further their advances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming


Well that explains a lot. See I started a new business. I see all those dog grooming places, and I thought "How come no one does that for kids?" So I started up a service where you could drop off your children, and I'd wash and shampoo them, treat them for fleas, express their anal glands (if needed) and cut their hair into whatever cute design you wanted. When people asked what I did, I told them "I'm a child groomer" Now I know why I got weird stares. They probably thought I was doing something strange.
 
2012-07-17 09:44:15 AM
i252.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-17 09:44:45 AM
All the way from West Florida to East Arizona.
 
2012-07-17 09:45:12 AM

ph0rk: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

Someone is still living in a pre-renaissance world and hasn't paid much attention to philosophy these days. They're well on the way to cornering the market on (secular) drooling, retarded step-brothers.


Uh, no. Since the Renaissance, modal logic was developed. Its a pretty awesome method of systematizing an argument and it works a lot better than a syllogism. New research is still being done on jurisprudence, economics, and just recently, game theory was invented.

Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.
 
2012-07-17 09:48:27 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?


The concept of the material universe being composed of atoms comes from Parmenides, from around 500 BCE. I wouldn't agree that science is the "drooling, retarded step-brother", but modern science does have its roots in the early Greek philosophers. Why do you think the Greek alphabet is used so much in science?
 
2012-07-17 09:49:44 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

Newton basically created the scientific method. It existed in some basic forms, but he systematized it. Without the scientific method, we would just be making guesses without a way of knowing why were right or wrong.

Even so, science is weak. True it uses mathematics, but it relies on deductive, and not inductive logic to work. So, its not foolproof, but it works.

And? How was philosophy involved in the development of the periodic table?


Scientists were busy with alchemy, the exploring the 4 humors of the human body until they were told there was a new way of verifying information. Without that, they would have continued to play with sorcerers stones, and the four elements.

The verification process was the key.
 
2012-07-17 09:51:27 AM

Maud Dib: Full Blown Jimbo: That guy's only 33? Cripes.

It's that wonderful desert sun. It'll turn you to shoe leather.
I mean, hell, look at their governor.

[msnbcmedia2.msn.com image 474x332]


That's pigskin, baby.
 
2012-07-17 09:54:47 AM

DataShade: AverageAmericanGuy:
Well, if they're paying for it, I'm not sure you can say they're really getting raped, irregardless of what they are wearing.

Well, one, she didn't pay for it - technically, grandma did. Two, even if she'd paid for it, she paid for a plane ticket, not sex. Three, even if she handed over money, that doesn't mean she's a consenting adult, so the sex would still be rape. Your analogy is like saying that because a woman handed her sister's credit card to the bouncer to pay a third person's cover charge to a bar, she should have expected to get her organs harvested in the bathroom. None of it's connected logically and there's really no way any sane, non-mentally-ill person would think they're clear to commit that kind of depraved act.


Are you trying to troll? You're not coming off as "inspiring rage," you're coming off as "incredibly dumb and inspiring pity" - especially with the nonstandard-usage mistake/not-a-word "irregardless."


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Now don't you feel silly.
 
2012-07-17 09:55:33 AM

bim1154: Pathman: tankjr: bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman

I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.

did i miss something? what's wrong with what he said?

I was wondering the same thing, but this is fark so I just move on.


I think they were saying that most women are old, fat, ugly and complete idiots so these guys shouldn't have any probs hooking up.
 
2012-07-17 09:57:04 AM

JWideman: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

The concept of the material universe being composed of atoms comes from Parmenides, from around 500 BCE. I wouldn't agree that science is the "drooling, retarded step-brother", but modern science does have its roots in the early Greek philosophers. Why do you think the Greek alphabet is used so much in science?


The Greek letters are used as symbols. That's all.

I know the origin of the concept of atoms.

But, how did philosophy contribute to the development of the periodic table? Did you see my question?

I'll accept gibberish and avoiding the issue as an admission that philosophers didn't contribute.
 
2012-07-17 09:57:15 AM
Both obvious and appropriate:

What is the hardest think about eating a vegetable?
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Manipulating the wheelchair.
 
2012-07-17 09:57:28 AM

Diogenes The Cynic:
Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.


When you find hoofprints in prehistoric rock, you think horses, not deities.
 
2012-07-17 09:58:21 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

Newton basically created the scientific method. It existed in some basic forms, but he systematized it. Without the scientific method, we would just be making guesses without a way of knowing why were right or wrong.

Even so, science is weak. True it uses mathematics, but it relies on deductive, and not inductive logic to work. So, its not foolproof, but it works.

And? How was philosophy involved in the development of the periodic table?

Scientists were busy with alchemy, the exploring the 4 humors of the human body until they were told there was a new way of verifying information. Without that, they would have continued to play with sorcerers stones, and the four elements.

The verification process was the key.


Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?
 
2012-07-17 10:01:57 AM

Maud Dib: Full Blown Jimbo: That guy's only 33? Cripes.

It's that wonderful desert sun. It'll turn you to shoe leather.
I mean, hell, look at their governor.

[msnbcmedia2.msn.com image 474x332]


Well if anyone would know about desert sun, its the Muad'dib. She ain't no Lady Jessica, that's for sure.
 
2012-07-17 10:03:38 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

Newton basically created the scientific method. It existed in some basic forms, but he systematized it. Without the scientific method, we would just be making guesses without a way of knowing why were right or wrong.

Even so, science is weak. True it uses mathematics, but it relies on deductive, and not inductive logic to work. So, its not foolproof, but it works.

And? How was philosophy involved in the development of the periodic table?

Scientists were busy with alchemy, the exploring the 4 humors of the human body until they were told there was a new way of verifying information. Without that, they would have continued to play with sorcerers stones, and the four elements.

The verification process was the key.

Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?


I love how fark can turn your run of the mill pedo thread into a ponies thread and then a debate of philosophy vs. science.
 
2012-07-17 10:04:09 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: JWideman: Inflatable Rhetoric: Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.

What? Philosophers made the periodic table of elements? And did research on atomic structure?

Which philosopher did that, and how?

The concept of the material universe being composed of atoms comes from Parmenides, from around 500 BCE. I wouldn't agree that science is the "drooling, retarded step-brother", but modern science does have its roots in the early Greek philosophers. Why do you think the Greek alphabet is used so much in science?

The Greek letters are used as symbols. That's all.

I know the origin of the concept of atoms.

But, how did philosophy contribute to the development of the periodic table? Did you see my question?

I'll accept gibberish and avoiding the issue as an admission that philosophers didn't contribute.


You need to read The Baroque Cycle. Historical fiction that explains it very well, if you can slog though Neal Stephenson's prose.
 
2012-07-17 10:04:49 AM

serial_crusher: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

A little bit of this. I'm sure she wouldn't have had a hard time looking for a 14 year old boy willing to fark her, but if he was out of town she wouldn't have been able to get him on a plane as easily.
This might have done more harm than good by reinforcing her feelings of being broken and unlovable.

Then again there's also a high probability of the girl getting locked in a basement and eventually dismembered if she's getting into shiat like this, so still a good thing to put a stop to it and arrest the creep.


Uh, no. He would've used her and fled, then she would've felt broken and unlovable. Humiliated and angry too, most likely.
 
2012-07-17 10:06:24 AM

bim1154: Pathman: tankjr: bim1154: Ugly, fat, old and complete idiots. I just don't understand their thinking that they would have anything remotely to offer any woman

I can't decide if you're lonely, stupid or just an asshole.

did i miss something? what's wrong with what he said?

I was wondering the same thing, but this is fark so I just move on.


Maybe he was on the show...taking a seat over there can make you a little sensitive.
 
2012-07-17 10:06:35 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.


I'm an empiric, so i'm pretty much just fine with that "one method". Yes, there are some problems and questions that cannot be addressed with it, but they tend to be more often in the metaphysical realm than the physical. Not really an issue.

What, specific, secular, real world problems can be be solved using these alternate magical methods of which you speak? What questions can we begin to answer with them?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?


He's just going to argue all the good bits of the scientific process are philosophy, like a good second year undergraduate.
 
2012-07-17 10:08:45 AM
This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.
 
2012-07-17 10:09:02 AM

elguerodiablo: I love how fark can turn your run of the mill pedo thread into a ponies thread and then a debate of philosophy vs. science.


This happens quite a lot. Occasionally some become epic. This one is just annoying.
 
2012-07-17 10:11:02 AM

Gramma: This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.


Heh. I was going to say it's like a conversation with my younger brother.

/He's also a cardiologist.
 
2012-07-17 10:11:48 AM
That 14 yr old has horrible taste in men. (I wonder if he resembles her dad.)
 
2012-07-17 10:12:07 AM

ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.

I'm an empiric, so i'm pretty much just fine with that "one method". Yes, there are some problems and questions that cannot be addressed with it, but they tend to be more often in the metaphysical realm than the physical. Not really an issue.

What, specific, secular, real world problems can be be solved using these alternate magical methods of which you speak? What questions can we begin to answer with them?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?

He's just going to argue all the good bits of the scientific process are philosophy, like a good second year undergraduate.


Game theory will tell what the best course of action is for a person who is selfish. It can be applied to war, and foreign policy pretty easily. For example, it was Von Neumann who came up with the concept of MAD, which, while it caused brinksmanship, also prevented a bigger war from happening.

That problem could not have been addressed by scientists.
 
2012-07-17 10:12:21 AM

Gramma: This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.


GreatGramma?
 
2012-07-17 10:12:32 AM

Gramma: This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.


but we haven't said anything about trucks, or trains, or prison, or mama, or gettin drunk

well i was drunk, the day my mom got outta prison.....
 
2012-07-17 10:12:52 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?


Philosophy and science probably weren't as easy to distinguish in the dark ages as they are today, given the way religion shaped our more primitive ancestors. Gregor Mendel (not to be confused with Mendeleev in all this periodic table discussion) was a monk who just happened to discover genetics, every bit a scientist while remaining true to his faith. Linnaeus was a scientist who inspired philosophers, many of whom saw themselves in him.

There's a reason "Arts and Sciences" are stuck together like opp and heimer. The presence of a great thinker in one discipline improves everyone nearby. Great scientists inspire philosophers, great philosophers inspire scientists, and if someone shows up who happens to be both well then humanity gains a level and 1d8+1 smartness points. Can't we just leave it at that?
 
2012-07-17 10:14:07 AM
Gentlemen, the important issue here: Was he going to bring the ruckus???
 
2012-07-17 10:16:02 AM

doglover: Gramma: This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.

GreatGramma?


Yes!
 
2012-07-17 10:16:56 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.

I'm an empiric, so i'm pretty much just fine with that "one method". Yes, there are some problems and questions that cannot be addressed with it, but they tend to be more often in the metaphysical realm than the physical. Not really an issue.

What, specific, secular, real world problems can be be solved using these alternate magical methods of which you speak? What questions can we begin to answer with them?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?

He's just going to argue all the good bits of the scientific process are philosophy, like a good second year undergraduate.

Game theory will tell what the best course of action is for a person who is selfish. It can be applied to war, and foreign policy pretty easily. For example, it was Von Neumann who came up with the concept of MAD, which, while it caused brinksmanship, also prevented a bigger war from happening.

That problem could not have been addressed by scientists.


So Mathematics is Philosophy, now? What, will you claim Economics as under the umbrella next?
 
2012-07-17 10:16:59 AM

Flakeloaf: Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?

Philosophy and science probably weren't as easy to distinguish in the dark ages as they are today, given the way religion shaped our more primitive ancestors. Gregor Mendel (not to be confused with Mendeleev in all this periodic table discussion) was a monk who just happened to discover genetics, every bit a scientist while remaining true to his faith. Linnaeus was a scientist who inspired philosophers, many of whom saw themselves in him.

There's a reason "Arts and Sciences" are stuck together like opp and heimer. The presence of a great thinker in one discipline improves everyone nearby. Great scientists inspire philosophers, great philosophers inspire scientists, and if someone shows up who happens to be both well then humanity gains a level and 1d8+1 smartness points. Can't we just leave it at that?


Kind of like Fr Georges Lemaître and the Big Bang theory?
 
2012-07-17 10:17:48 AM
It's awesomely ironic how religion pops up in a pedo-perv thread.

/They've got to keep going to the well...
 
2012-07-17 10:20:00 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: It's awesomely ironic how religion pops up in a pedo-perv thread.

/They've got to keep going to the well...


Philosophy vs. Science
 
2012-07-17 10:20:03 AM

ph0rk: So Mathematics is Philosophy, now?


What do you mean "now" kiddo? Have you ever heard a man named Pythagoras? What exactly do you think his occupation was? It certainly wasn't mathematician, because that never pays well.
 
2012-07-17 10:22:29 AM

doglover: ph0rk: So Mathematics is Philosophy, now?

What do you mean "now" kiddo? Have you ever heard a man named Pythagoras? What exactly do you think his occupation was? It certainly wasn't mathematician, because that never pays well.


Ah well then, we must all be philosophers.

The disciplines have boundaries (whether or not one thinks they should). Pythagoras lived in a time entirely unlike now or the time of Von Neumann.

The existence of those boundaries are both why (and how) the apologists for modern-day Philosophy get their underpants in a knot.
 
2012-07-17 10:22:43 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish:
Fr Georges Lemaître


How can I have spent more than thirty years on this rock without ever having heard of this man? I am appalled at my lack of education.
 
2012-07-17 10:23:20 AM

Uncle Tractor: HotIgneous Intruder: Nobody can prove that love exists.

Really?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 492x580]

People create gods and religions to create alternate explanations for events so they can be released from the terrifying uncertainty of living in a random, indifferent universe,

Sure, but now we've got ways to find answers that aren't made up. Methods that provide real, workable answers. We call it "science."

They also do it to release themselves and others from responsibility for their actions. Religion is the fuzzy logic that needs to be applied to life in the physical world in order to make it bearable to creature with highly developed senses of imagination.

Religion is nothing but trouble.


Not much physiological difference between love and some type of anxiety disorder.
Perhaps it is.
 
2012-07-17 10:24:07 AM

ph0rk: Lurk sober post drunk: Uncle Tractor: JWideman: and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something

You mean it's full of invisible pink unicorns? I did not know this. I've learned something already.

On the topic of minors and unicorns and higher powers; I read some of the Christian texts that weren't included in the bible a couple of days ago. One of them was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (google it). Apparently, when Jesus was a little kid, he went around killing other kids. Regular little Damien.

like father like son

More like fanfic:

"The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a pseudepigraphical gospel about the childhood of Jesus that dates to the 2nd and 3rd centuries."


Would it worry you to know there is a whole section for Bible fanfic on FFN?
 
2012-07-17 10:24:42 AM

Uncle Tractor: Religion is nothing but trouble.


Absolutely correct.
 
2012-07-17 10:25:07 AM

ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.

I'm an empiric, so i'm pretty much just fine with that "one method". Yes, there are some problems and questions that cannot be addressed with it, but they tend to be more often in the metaphysical realm than the physical. Not really an issue.

What, specific, secular, real world problems can be be solved using these alternate magical methods of which you speak? What questions can we begin to answer with them?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?

He's just going to argue all the good bits of the scientific process are philosophy, like a good second year undergraduate.

Game theory will tell what the best course of action is for a person who is selfish. It can be applied to war, and foreign policy pretty easily. For example, it was Von Neumann who came up with the concept of MAD, which, while it caused brinksmanship, also prevented a bigger war from happening.

That problem could not have been addressed by scientists.

So Mathematics is Philosophy, now? What, will you claim Economics as under the umbrella next?


No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.
 
2012-07-17 10:25:59 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Uncle Tractor: If you have no evidence that something exists, you have no reason to believe that it exists and considering the possibility is a waste of time. No, we can't rule out the existence of a higher power, but then again, this universe doesn't seem to have any use for such a thing. If everything can be explained through science (not yet, I know), why bother with gods?

After all, one would think that a so-called "higher power" would leave at least *some* physical evidence.

Nobody can prove that love exists.
People create gods and religions to create alternate explanations for events so they can be released from the terrifying uncertainty of living in a random, indifferent universe, They also do it to release themselves and others from responsibility for their actions. Religion is the fuzzy logic that needs to be applied to life in the physical world in order to make it bearable to creature with highly developed senses of imagination.


Do I have to go all "Hogfather" on you, and post in caps so bold and sharp that you can hear the VOICE in your head and see the actinic blue pin-pricks of light in His eye-sockets? Do we have to have the discussion about why it is important to get the children to believe the little lies before we ask them to believe the big ones?
 
2012-07-17 10:26:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Uncle Tractor: HotIgneous Intruder: Nobody can prove that love exists.

Really?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 492x580]

People create gods and religions to create alternate explanations for events so they can be released from the terrifying uncertainty of living in a random, indifferent universe,

Sure, but now we've got ways to find answers that aren't made up. Methods that provide real, workable answers. We call it "science."

They also do it to release themselves and others from responsibility for their actions. Religion is the fuzzy logic that needs to be applied to life in the physical world in order to make it bearable to creature with highly developed senses of imagination.

Religion is nothing but trouble.

Not much physiological difference between love and some type of anxiety disorder.
Perhaps it is.


Love is a cultural construct.

So is money, though, so it isn't as if that makes it something we can just pretend isn't there - people believe enough in it that they act as if it is real. So, for most purposes, it is - even if we can't come up with a decent consensus definition for it. The fact that it is supposed to be real is what makes it real-ish.

/I think it's just lust and novelty that blend into comfort and sameness, myself.
 
2012-07-17 10:27:04 AM

Gramma: This thread has it all. Arizona and Florida, pedos, a teenage, an argument about irregardless, ponies, cripple jokes and science vs religion.

Its like a conversation with my mom.


Yeah, it seems like more than a couple of people took an extra dose of Bizarretol this morning....
 
2012-07-17 10:27:41 AM

Diogenes The Cynic:

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion.


Richard Dawkins is a condescending blowhard who seeks nothing more than to replace one brand of ignorant disdain with another. If he is a scientist then I am a vegetable drinking straw.
 
2012-07-17 10:33:30 AM

Flakeloaf: Diogenes The Cynic:

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion.

Richard Dawkins is a condescending blowhard who seeks nothing more than to replace one brand of ignorant disdain with another. If he is a scientist then I am a vegetable drinking straw.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Who loves you? And who do you love?!!
 
2012-07-17 10:33:31 AM

Worldwalker: Would it worry you to know there is a whole section for Bible fanfic on FFN?


If by worry you mean make me say "Awesome" then no.

/I might be afraid to read any of it, though.


Diogenes The Cynic: No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.


Ah yes, your cherry-picked example is better than your other, rotten, cherry-picked example. Bravo. No one with a brain thinks Dawkins is doing anything other than preaching to the converted - he is squarely in the "not helping" camp.

You held up Von Neumann as an example of the contributions of modern Philosophy, so what the hell are you trying to say? What are the contributions that Philosophy as a discipline currently make? Have made in the last ten years? Twenty?

The early greats had the benefit of a very small intellectual marketplace - there was little need to specialize. That is no longer the case.

I will ask the question again: What understandings, beyond the metaphysical, has Philosophy as a discipline contributed to in the last twenty years?
 
2012-07-17 10:33:46 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that some chose to believe that Jesus actually did exist.


There ya go.
 
2012-07-17 10:35:51 AM

ph0rk: Worldwalker: Would it worry you to know there is a whole section for Bible fanfic on FFN?

If by worry you mean make me say "Awesome" then no.

/I might be afraid to read any of it, though.


Diogenes The Cynic: No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.

Ah yes, your cherry-picked example is better than your other, rotten, cherry-picked example. Bravo. No one with a brain thinks Dawkins is doing anything other than preaching to the converted - he is squarely in the "not helping" camp.

You held up Von Neumann as an example of the contributions of modern Philosophy, so what the hell are you trying to say? What are the contributions that Philosophy as a discipline currently make? Have made in the last ten years? Twenty?

The early greats had the benefit of a very small intellectual marketplace - there was little need to specialize. That is no longer the case.

I will ask the question again: What understandings, beyond the metaphysical, has Philosophy as a discipline contributed to in the last twenty years?


Truth tables are useful in writing software, so I'm told. I don't have much experience in writing software besides "hello world"
 
2012-07-17 10:39:27 AM
14 year old wheel chair bound girls need the good loving too. It terrible that the socialists have stopped my given rights to get frisky.
 
2012-07-17 10:43:25 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Uncle Tractor: Religion is nothing but trouble.

Absolutely correct.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$ All you need to know about that.

I'll go argue with my wife, can't get a rational response here.

Or my dog.
 
2012-07-17 10:45:03 AM

BronyMedic: AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.

Kind of blaming the victim here, aren't you?

I guess if women didn't dress like they wanted it, they wouldn't get raped either, right?


a white knight was last seen roaming fark

also:
halloftheblackdragon.com
 
2012-07-17 10:46:02 AM

DataShade: Your analogy is like saying that because a woman handed her sister's credit card to the bouncer to pay a third person's cover charge to a bar, she should have expected to get her organs harvested in the bathroom.


Your analogy is like an analogy that is like the worst analogy ever
 
2012-07-17 10:47:07 AM
Not to derail this science/religion/philosophy/pony thread, but just to derail the thread, here's a thought:

The position taken by law enforcement and the non-trolls in this thread is that this girl, being 14, is not mature enough to give informed consent to sexual activity. She is the victim. So why is it that if she had sent a 14-year-old boyfriend a picture of her boobies, she would become a criminal instead? And not just any criminal (like, say, someone who stole their grandma's credit card to buy a plane ticket) but one who is barred for life from holding many jobs, living in a lot of places, or even raising her own children? She suddenly becomes mature enough to comprehend the consequences of sending her BF a sexy picture, when she is simultaneously not mature enough to comprehend the consequences of having sex.

Are 14-year-old girls mature enough to understand the evil they're doing when they send naughty pictures to their boyfriends? Or are they not mature enough to understand they shouldn't be having sex with 33-year-old creeps who want to come visit?

Anyone seeing some hypocrisy here?
 
2012-07-17 10:47:54 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: She's stuck in a wheelchair. She knows she doesn't have the chance at a normal life. It's why SHE bought the airplane tickets for him.

I'm not condoning a 33 year old guy porking a 14 year old girl, but let's not try to pretend like she is completely innocent here.


Look, either she was capable of making a judgment call about this OR he's scum. They can't both be true.

Well I suppose he could be scum for some other unrelated reason.
 
2012-07-17 10:51:05 AM

Flakeloaf: Diogenes The Cynic:

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion.

Richard Dawkins is a condescending blowhard who seeks nothing more than to replace one brand of ignorant disdain with another. If he is a scientist then I am a vegetable drinking straw.


img16.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-17 10:53:25 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Worldwalker: Would it worry you to know there is a whole section for Bible fanfic on FFN?

If by worry you mean make me say "Awesome" then no.

/I might be afraid to read any of it, though.


Diogenes The Cynic: No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.

Ah yes, your cherry-picked example is better than your other, rotten, cherry-picked example. Bravo. No one with a brain thinks Dawkins is doing anything other than preaching to the converted - he is squarely in the "not helping" camp.

You held up Von Neumann as an example of the contributions of modern Philosophy, so what the hell are you trying to say? What are the contributions that Philosophy as a discipline currently make? Have made in the last ten years? Twenty?

The early greats had the benefit of a very small intellectual marketplace - there was little need to specialize. That is no longer the case.

I will ask the question again: What understandings, beyond the metaphysical, has Philosophy as a discipline contributed to in the last twenty years?

Truth tables are useful in writing software, so I'm told. I don't have much experience in writing software besides "hello world"


if you are implying that symbolic logic is a recent contribution from philosophy, your trolling is as uninformed as it is sad

/alan turing wants to biatchslap you from his grave for that weakass response
 
2012-07-17 10:54:06 AM
What? Soo many posts and not one single pic of a hot chick in a wheelchair?? Noooo you'd rather talk about religion and irregardless....


degenerate-afro:
1. There are plenty of 18+ cripple chicks who would love to give it up for you if that's your fetish. Heck, there are even organizations that specialize in helping disabled people get dates. Just sign up for one of those.


Where would a curious individual locate said organizations? Just for research sake of course!
 
2012-07-17 10:54:54 AM

untaken_name: They're only mad because he made HER buy the tickets. A gentleman always pays his own way across the country to take advantage of children.


I don't know why, but this bothers me the most in the whole story. Equal pay and going dutch only work when the two folks involved are equal. This is a dude versus a kid with no job, nevermind that the kid is disabled and would have a hard time getting a job even if their legs functioned. Again, it's bad enough she's a kid, but what kind of man allows a kid to buy *them* things? What kind of man allows anyone to use someone else's credit card? This dude has a shiatload more issues than ephebophilia/pedophilia.

Having a child pay for a ticket is the height of manipulation. This dude probably has bodies in the crawlspace. Police need to do some digging, literally, on this one.
 
2012-07-17 10:58:54 AM

Fubar: 33? Holy crap that's a hard 33....


That's exactly how he woed her. "I'm a HARD....thirty three." after that, she pretty much HAD to use grandma's credit card.
 
2012-07-17 10:59:47 AM
i know i'm late to the party, but the more the merrier right?

chzbronies.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-17 11:00:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.


Worse that grammar nazis: people who say 'it is, look it up' when told 'irregardless' is not a word.

/note: when you look it up you will find it is recognized as a widely used non-word
 
2012-07-17 11:00:57 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-17 11:01:08 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Having a child pay for a ticket is the height of manipulation. This dude probably has bodies in the crawlspace. Police need to do some digging, literally, on this one.


If this guy's power of manipulation is so great why is he only using it on 14 year old wheelchair bound girls?
 
2012-07-17 11:01:18 AM

divgradcurl: Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Worldwalker: Would it worry you to know there is a whole section for Bible fanfic on FFN?

If by worry you mean make me say "Awesome" then no.

/I might be afraid to read any of it, though.


Diogenes The Cynic: No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.

Ah yes, your cherry-picked example is better than your other, rotten, cherry-picked example. Bravo. No one with a brain thinks Dawkins is doing anything other than preaching to the converted - he is squarely in the "not helping" camp.

You held up Von Neumann as an example of the contributions of modern Philosophy, so what the hell are you trying to say? What are the contributions that Philosophy as a discipline currently make? Have made in the last ten years? Twenty?

The early greats had the benefit of a very small intellectual marketplace - there was little need to specialize. That is no longer the case.

I will ask the question again: What understandings, beyond the metaphysical, has Philosophy as a discipline contributed to in the last twenty years?

Truth tables are useful in writing software, so I'm told. I don't have much experience in writing software besides "hello world"

if you are implying that symbolic logic is a recent contribution from philosophy, your trolling is as uninformed as it is sad

/alan turing wants to biatchslap you from his grave for that weakass response


The use of truth tables in writing software only goes as far back as software has been written. Also, I am not trolling. And also also, yes Babbage,and Lovelace were around before computers, but they're not important here.
 
2012-07-17 11:05:17 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: vege


You're a little late
I already covered this at 08:41:36 AM
 
2012-07-17 11:07:29 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: HotIgneous Intruder: Uncle Tractor: Religion is nothing but trouble.

Absolutely correct.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$ All you need to know about that.

I'll go argue with my wife, can't get a rational response here.

Or my dog.


You too are absolutely correct.

/Who dragged Cylons into this?
 
2012-07-17 11:10:18 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that Jesus actually did exist.


So did King Arthur.
 
2012-07-17 11:14:06 AM

doglover: Nappy Imus: its still in the dictionary, so guess what that makes it :D

Errata!


Error in Store 103. . .
 
2012-07-17 11:17:44 AM

give me doughnuts: Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that some chose to believe that Jesus actually did exist.

There ya go.



You missed the point.

I'm talking about consensus. The overwhelming consensus amongst secular (i.e. non-religious) bibical scholars (you could also call them historians) is that Jesus did exist. The question about whether some dude named Jesus was running around about 2000 years ago, preaching about this and that, and then got nailed to a tree is a seperate question from whether God exists, or if Jesus is God/divine/etc.

Logic such as yours, based on bias and preconceived notions, is the same reason that we have folks denying global warming, despite overwhelming evidence and consensus saying otherwise.
 
2012-07-17 11:19:44 AM
Who gets the frequent flyer miles?
Granny?
the perv?
 
2012-07-17 11:20:45 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that Jesus actually did exist.

So did King Arthur.


I'm not arguing for the divinity of Jesus. I'm trying to propose a rational discussion that involves something other than fringe arguments.

/Wait... this is Fark, nevermind...
 
2012-07-17 11:22:07 AM

Nuclear Pancake: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Now don't you feel silly.


I honestly don't give a crap what any dictionary says about the word. Break it down into its component parts, and it makes no sense the way people use it.

ir - a prefix meaning "not" or "none". Examples: irreplaceable = not replaceable, irrational = not rational. See "un".
regard - that part isn't in question, we know what it means
less - a suffix meaning "without" or "none". Examples: witless = without wit, colorless = without color

"irregardless" actually means "not without regard", which is a double negative that really means WITH regard. Using it in place of "regardless" is moronic, regardless of common usage. Common usage also says "ain't" is a word...and "shizzle". But they ain't. Fo shizzle.

/yeah yeah, grammar nazi, etc.
 
2012-07-17 11:22:42 AM
Goddamn that's a ragged 33. Jeebs.
 
2012-07-17 11:25:38 AM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: BronyMedic: /yes. I used ephlebophile I would hate for FARK's pedophile apologist brigade to get on to me for confusing their fine, upstanding group of people with these scumbags.

Look out for the grammar nazis though. The word you're looking for is ephebophile.

Thanks. I disabled my spellcheck on the iphone because every time I'd try to type a medical word, it'd turn it into something abstract and/or sexual.


lol - Sorry to all the religion debaters, but if we're going to threadjack, I'd rather
hear more about BronyMedic's (and others) iPhone substitutions for medical words.

ex. Just the other day I noticed a medical document where every instance of
'epithelial cells' had been changed to Episcopal cells... and I don't know
about you, but I didn't even realize those churches would lock people up.

/Oops, using that example will bring back the religion debaters in force...

//
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-07-17 11:25:51 AM

Flakeloaf: Smoky Dragon Dish:
Fr Georges Lemaître

How can I have spent more than thirty years on this rock without ever having heard of this man? I am appalled at my lack of education.


He's European. As Americans, we're more likely to hear about Hubble instead, although his theory predate Hubbles. And it's proven fact, since it was published.

I only mention him because I find it facinating that a priest came-up with a scientific theory that fundies throw so much scorn at, blaming atheists.
 
2012-07-17 11:36:15 AM

Nappy Imus: doglover: Nappy Imus: its still in the dictionary, so guess what that makes it :D

Errata!

Error in Store 103. . .


content7.flixster.com
Errahhhh, erraaaaah.....
 
2012-07-17 11:38:38 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Flakeloaf: Smoky Dragon Dish:
Fr Georges Lemaître

How can I have spent more than thirty years on this rock without ever having heard of this man? I am appalled at my lack of education.

He's European. As Americans, we're more likely to hear about Hubble instead, although his theory predate Hubbles. And it's proven fact, since it was published.

I only mention him because I find it facinating that a priest came-up with a scientific theory that fundies throw so much scorn at, blaming atheists.

He's a Catholic. Fundies don't count Catholics as real Christians.
 
2012-07-17 11:45:21 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: JWideman: JokerMattly: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Science has no way of proving there is a God, any more than it has the tools to disprove the existance of a God. Even with a fundamental understanding of every basic truth of the Universe, we are still incapable of ruling out the existence of a higher power. The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence; we may simply lack the proper tools to perceive what we wish to study.

You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. You can't prove that they aren't very spiritual beings (and they must be, to be both pink and invisible). And you can't prove that they are not pink. You now have no choice but to acknowledge they do exist, and give them the worship they deserve.

and you've never seen Passion of the Christ yet?? watch that. and you might LEARN something


watch it from an atheism perspective and look at the things that guy went through
basically if you're true to the very end you don't die your wounds just heal up magically

i took this to heart
and i'm gonna NEVER die
cause i'm a good person
like JESUS!!!
 
2012-07-17 11:57:23 AM
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2012-07-17 12:24:21 PM

Diogenes The Cynic: Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy.


And yet everything you see around you when you read this post was created with the help of that drooling retarded step-brother.

/unless you're sitting with a laptop in the middle of the forest
 
2012-07-17 01:02:20 PM
I knew you were waiting for this, so here goes:

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2012-07-17 01:36:44 PM

smitton: I knew you were waiting for this, so here goes:

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Rule 34 was proven long ago...
 
2012-07-17 02:10:17 PM
Wow. This thread has grammar nazism, pedophilia, ephebophila, religion, and ponies. Fark is king at multitasking.
 
2012-07-17 02:20:50 PM
yer shiattin' me...
 
2012-07-17 03:06:11 PM

dickfreckle: But these days with the dick-touching and the hours of security theater


But has that ever actually happened to you?

I fly out of SFO regularly, most commonly to SNA, LAX, BWI, and even Dulles...and in the past 4-5 years I can only remember one line that took over 30 minutes, and that was a redeye before Thanksgiving when everyone was traveling and, being super late, TSA was thinly staffed. Nearly every time I travel -- even through the ridiculous carnival that is Dulles security -- I'm out of the taxi and at the gate in 30 mintues or less.

And never once have I been groped. You go through the chemical-detecting thing, if a part of your body hits that part gets a check (I've had my armpit and my ankle hit), but never has there been groping.

The TSA is pretty goddamn dumb, and there's lots about air travel that could be easier, but the "hours" of waiting and the intrusiveness of security isn't reality, it's collective hyperbole.
 
2012-07-17 03:10:00 PM

Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: ph0rk: Diogenes The Cynic: Science still uses one method to validate information. Even then they get stuff wrong. Look at sociology, and paleontology. They think those are sciences.

I'm an empiric, so i'm pretty much just fine with that "one method". Yes, there are some problems and questions that cannot be addressed with it, but they tend to be more often in the metaphysical realm than the physical. Not really an issue.

What, specific, secular, real world problems can be be solved using these alternate magical methods of which you speak? What questions can we begin to answer with them?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ok, so the verification process is not science? It's philosophy? Can you verify that?

He's just going to argue all the good bits of the scientific process are philosophy, like a good second year undergraduate.

Game theory will tell what the best course of action is for a person who is selfish. It can be applied to war, and foreign policy pretty easily. For example, it was Von Neumann who came up with the concept of MAD, which, while it caused brinksmanship, also prevented a bigger war from happening.

That problem could not have been addressed by scientists.

So Mathematics is Philosophy, now? What, will you claim Economics as under the umbrella next?

No, I never said that, but while were on the subject, Pythagoras had his own religion, Descartes invented the xyz axis plane, and the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Bertrand Russel wrote extensively on mathematics.

Compare that to a scientist, like Dawkins talking about religion, and you'll be embarrassed on his behalf.


You're just saying that because you're Jewish.

We all know this 'philosophy' bullshiat you keep dragging up is just an attempt to get attention, because you never get positive responses from anyone other than other Jews and folks who just hate science and/or Dawkins.

I'm willing to get plonked by several people I don't even know just to tell you to fark off.

Also, plonk.
 
2012-07-17 03:59:34 PM

rocketpants: [i.imgur.com image 591x480]


Morans...
 
2012-07-17 04:05:53 PM
It seems like it would have been slightly easier and less risky if he'd just taken a job as assistant coach on the Penn State football team.
 
2012-07-17 05:11:28 PM
"Lane's airplane tickets were purchased by the victim using her grandmother's credit card"

She had it coming
/victim blaming
 
2012-07-17 05:20:22 PM

Scrotastic Method: But has that ever actually happened to you?


Yes and no. Yes, it has happened - no it's not "hours" since the early post-9/11 days, when it actually was. These days it's a far shorter ordeal. But still annoying as all hell. I'll tell what still takes "hours" though - delays on the tarmac. That's no fault of 9/11 hysteria, but it's still annoying. Add the new fees, truncated service, and yeah...I'm just gonna go jerk off. Probably twice.

I've traveled untold miles for two different women I was madly in love with. But for a piece of ass? Even if that's sweet, sweet wheelchair ass? No way.

/window seat, sorry
 
2012-07-17 06:24:44 PM
This might be the story that ends all life.

If this be fiction, let them sulk in shadows.

It this be reality, let us all auto-exterminate right damn now.

/exhausted by this world and its awful dominant species


FTFA: "Lane's airplane tickets were purchased by the victim using her grandmother's credit card, deputies say."
GOD FARKING DAMNIT
 
2012-07-17 07:35:03 PM

Fubar: 33? Holy crap that's a hard 33....


Yeah, I'd have guessed mid 40's to 50's.
But if you need a wheelchair-bound 14-year-old to buy your plane ticket I'm guessing you haven't had a lot of success with life.
 
2012-07-17 08:06:49 PM
Chemical castration, at least?

Please.

The only way to punish those who destroy lives willy-nilly is to put them in the poke or poke-less, no?
 
2012-07-17 08:37:32 PM

MagSeven: Nappy Imus: doglover: Nappy Imus: its still in the dictionary, so guess what that makes it :D

Errata!

Error in Store 103. . .

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Errahhhh, erraaaaah.....


lolz
 
2012-07-17 08:48:08 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that Jesus actually did exist.

So did King Arthur.


Do they agree on how he died?
 
2012-07-17 08:50:31 PM

ElFugawz: AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.

Worse that grammar nazis: people who say 'it is, look it up' when told 'irregardless' is not a word.

/note: when you look it up you will find it is recognized as a widely used non-word


Widely used non word. And this makes sense to you? Just as ain't ain't a word but everyone uses it. How DO you, in fact, use say speak a word that is not a word? This this good Zen or bad Zen, or what?
 
2012-07-17 08:54:37 PM

Nappy Imus: ElFugawz: AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.

Worse that grammar nazis: people who say 'it is, look it up' when told 'irregardless' is not a word.

/note: when you look it up you will find it is recognized as a widely used non-word

Widely used non word. And this makes sense to you? Just as ain't ain't a word but everyone uses it. How DO you, in fact, use say speak a word that is not a word? This this good Zen or bad Zen, or what?


Ha!

I love this anecdote.

P.S. Irregardless is a word for lazy mind-virus'd-minds...

P.P.S. De-virus your mind, folks, please. Thank you.
 
2012-07-17 09:02:22 PM

Scrotastic Method: dickfreckle: But these days with the dick-touching and the hours of security theater

But has that ever actually happened to you?

I fly out of SFO regularly, most commonly to SNA, LAX, BWI, and even Dulles...and in the past 4-5 years I can only remember one line that took over 30 minutes, and that was a redeye before Thanksgiving when everyone was traveling and, being super late, TSA was thinly staffed. Nearly every time I travel -- even through the ridiculous carnival that is Dulles security -- I'm out of the taxi and at the gate in 30 mintues or less.

And never once have I been groped. You go through the chemical-detecting thing, if a part of your body hits that part gets a check (I've had my armpit and my ankle hit), but never has there been groping.

The TSA is pretty goddamn dumb, and there's lots about air travel that could be easier, but the "hours" of waiting and the intrusiveness of security isn't reality, it's collective hyperbole.


Unless you were in one of those lines. . . I wasn't, but I'm sure the story didn't just pop up out of thin air, but you're probably right nonetheless. . .
 
2012-07-17 09:07:05 PM

Indubitably: Nappy Imus: ElFugawz: AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.

Worse that grammar nazis: people who say 'it is, look it up' when told 'irregardless' is not a word.

/note: when you look it up you will find it is recognized as a widely used non-word

Widely used non word. And this makes sense to you? Just as ain't ain't a word but everyone uses it. How DO you, in fact, use say speak a word that is not a word? This this good Zen or bad Zen, or what?

Ha!

I love this anecdote.

P.S. Irregardless is a word for lazy mind-virus'd-minds...

P.P.S. De-virus your mind, folks, please. Thank you.


So if people started saying irregard, would that be a word? I think saying a word makes it a word, as long as it has a meaning or a use, but that's just me. I say regardless but maybe I'll try to purposely say irregard from now on, but not really. . .
 
2012-07-17 09:23:28 PM

Nappy Imus: Indubitably: Nappy Imus: ElFugawz: AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.

Worse that grammar nazis: people who say 'it is, look it up' when told 'irregardless' is not a word.

/note: when you look it up you will find it is recognized as a widely used non-word

Widely used non word. And this makes sense to you? Just as ain't ain't a word but everyone uses it. How DO you, in fact, use say speak a word that is not a word? This this good Zen or bad Zen, or what?

Ha!

I love this anecdote.

P.S. Irregardless is a word for lazy mind-virus'd-minds...

P.P.S. De-virus your mind, folks, please. Thank you.

So if people started saying irregard, would that be a word? I think saying a word makes it a word, as long as it has a meaning or a use, but that's just me. I say regardless but maybe I'll try to purposely say irregard from now on, but not really. . .


Like, "I irregarded Indubitably, tonight," or "I irregard Indubitably. Period.?"

I think it's great.

Neologists unite!

;)
 
2012-07-18 12:38:56 AM

MythDragon: BronyMedic: MythDragon: Is she a victim is she is paying for a guy to come fark her? It kinda sounds like she wanted it.

She didn't pay for him to come fark her. She stole a credit card, and stole money to get the guy there.

It's called grooming. The predator conditions and "trains" his or her victim to accept and further their advances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming

Well that explains a lot. See I started a new business. I see all those dog grooming places, and I thought "How come no one does that for kids?" So I started up a service where you could drop off your children, and I'd wash and shampoo them, treat them for fleas, express their anal glands (if needed) and cut their hair into whatever cute design you wanted. When people asked what I did, I told them "I'm a child groomer" Now I know why I got weird stares. They probably thought I was doing something strange.


That's a first class ticket for you
 
2012-07-18 01:39:41 AM
Beat him with the butt of a shotgun then tie him to a stump in a swamp!
 
2012-07-18 02:13:09 AM

doglover: The real news story here is that it really was a teenager, not just some FBI guy in his 40's.


Everyone needs a little lovin'.
 
2012-07-18 03:04:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: DataShade: not-a-word "irregardless."

It's a word. Look it up.


No, it's not, it's just such a common pollution of language that the people who write dictionaries include an explanation of how wrong it is. It's easier to appease the people of your mental caliber than try to explain the birth certificate is real or that Vince Foster wasn't assassinated or that JFK wasn't killed by the CIA or that fossils weren't placed there by the Devil to test your faith.
 
2012-07-18 03:06:06 AM

untaken_name: DataShade: nonstandard-usage mistake/not-a-word "irregardless."

I'm conflicted on this one; you're wrong, but I wish you weren't.

If it's in Webster's, it's a word. It *is* still nonstandard usage, but you can no longer say that using it is a mistake or that it is not a word. Link


Yeah, that's why there's a slashy-hyphenated construct in my original sentence. It's not a word, but it's such common nonstandard usage that dictionary editors feel obligated to include it so that an otherwise normal person who's lived their life without the misfortune of dealing with the barely literate might have a chance to understand rather than be stunned into a coma.
 
2012-07-18 03:39:25 AM
Is it wrong that I thought of Jimi Hendrix when I read this?

"There was a young girl, who's heart was a frown
Cause she was crippled for life,
And she couldn't speak a sound
And she wished and prayed she could stop living,
So she decided to die
She drew her wheelchair to the edge of the shore
And to her legs she smiled you wont hurt me no more
But then a sight she'd never seen made her jump and say
Look a golden winged ship is passing my way

And it really didn't have to stop, it just kept on going... (*because the scumbag was arrested)

And so castles made of sand slips into the sea, eventually"
 
2012-07-18 02:50:36 PM

Diogenes The Cynic: Uncle Tractor: Diogenes The Cynic: Atheism may be a valid philosophical position, but science doesn't have the tools to deal with metaphysical truths.

What "metaphysical truths?"

Is there a soul?
Is this art?
Do I have a mind, or only a brain?

Etc.

Look, I've said it before, and I will say it again. Science is the drooling, retarded step-brother to Philosophy. We (at least, educated people) accept science because "it tends to work." Were it not for the philosophers, the scientists would still be trying to turn lead into gold.


Ummmm...

About that.

It has been done, but it is both prohibitively expensive and dangerous with the end result being radioactively "Hot" gold.
 
2012-07-18 03:43:16 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Smoky Dragon Dish: But, the important thing to also note is that even amongst secular biblical scholars, is that Jesus actually did exist.

So did King Arthur.


He really did. Just not the one you know of from the legends.

Also, a matter of hot debate over possible Arthur connections.
 
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