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2012-07-16 07:28:55 PM  
Oh, I it

Nice subby but remember your audience. Not known for subltey.
 
2012-07-16 07:32:13 PM  
I dont know much about how laws are executed when they come upon issues such as this, but I do hope that intention of the original law would be apparent so that they would know what to do
 
2012-07-16 07:56:27 PM  
The judiciary could rule either way, but only if there was a challenge based on that section. The fed could, amusingly, cut off all those states, whose governors decided they wouldnt play along, from all the filthy lucre.

Effectively, people wouldn't get subsidies in places like Texas, but would in New York.

I don't believe the fed would do that, though.
 
2012-07-16 09:17:35 PM  
I can't believe they accidentally the whole thing.
 
2012-07-16 09:23:24 PM  
Now, I need some legal-type help here...

Can't they just resolve that with administrative law at the level of the federal agency? Don't they do that all the time and isn't that what's holding up the implementation of Dodd-Frank, they are actually writing how they will implement it?

Seems like a minor thing, but I defer to the swims with sharks type people.
 
2012-07-16 09:24:36 PM  
Oh FFS it's law, stop. Just stop. And with luck it'll eventually be single payer.
 
2012-07-16 09:26:50 PM  
Surprise surprise. Someone is already trying to figure out how to screw the middle class out of something.
 
2012-07-16 09:30:10 PM  

Equilibrist: Oh, I it

Nice subby but remember your audience. Not known for subltey.


It's a meme, which isn't very subtle.
 
2012-07-16 09:35:14 PM  
There's also a possibility that, should former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney win the election, he could use Adler and Cannon's argument to slow walk implementation.

I the reporter accidentally the .
 
2012-07-16 10:01:48 PM  
The expression "nibbled to death by ducks" springs to mind

/or was that cats?
 
2012-07-16 10:01:54 PM  
i.imgur.com

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.
 
2012-07-16 10:02:25 PM  

jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.


She spelled immortal wrong.
 
2012-07-16 10:16:59 PM  
No.

Next question?
 
2012-07-16 10:39:56 PM  

jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.


I'll see your immorality and raise you Destro Skeletor.

i29.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-16 10:53:52 PM  
Wait until they find out that Obama signed it "Daffy Duck".
 
2012-07-16 11:36:44 PM  
Well, being that two freakin' words have been keeping us from true universal single payer health care for the past several decades, I'd say it's possible.
 
2012-07-16 11:57:05 PM  
Did the absence cause any of the Justices to misunderstand what they were voting for?

I rather doubt it.
 
2012-07-17 12:00:21 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Did the absence cause any of the Justices to misunderstand what they were voting for?

I rather doubt it.


reidreport.com

"Well, Scalia's opinion wasn't missing any words. I understood it just fine."
 
2012-07-17 12:09:22 AM  
OK, Who swallowed the extra word when they were cramming it down our throats?
 
2012-07-17 12:09:55 AM  
One of the big unreported stories on the making of 0bamacare is the actual team of savvy lefty Law Geeks that slaved away for Madame Pelosi all those grueling months, composing the stupefying language that would ensnair us all into their Rotary-Dial style, 1930s health care slum.

Maybe you know who these brainy brats are -- probably they are much like you! They would be heroes to so many, and they must have fascinating details about how that law came to be. Too bad we are not told about them. Perhaps you could ask them for us if indeed they just goofed on this one thing.

Speaking of stories never really told, who do you know that covered the Edwards campaign back in the day, and looked the other way to serve you GoodFellas? Where are they and what are they lying about to us now? Surely you would tell us, since you're so professional and all.

Ptewy.
 
2012-07-17 12:10:22 AM  
is the word "tax"? I think the Supremos have that one covered if that's the case
 
2012-07-17 12:10:53 AM  

s2s2s2: OK, Who swallowed the extra word when they were cramming it down our throats?


Holy shiat, I literally lol'd.
 
2012-07-17 12:13:55 AM  
Yeah, totally. Pin your ever-desperate hopes to that, America-hating teatards.
 
2012-07-17 12:14:18 AM  
Aside from the weird Aspie behaviour here,

1) Legislative intent

and

2) (governmental agency) or (nonprofit entity that is established by a state).

and

3) A nation-state is still a state.

Any nitpicking Aspie way you cut this, the Aspies lose.
 
2012-07-17 12:15:22 AM  
I'm a libertarian, and I don't like the Affordable Health Care Act. I'm practical enough to know that SOMETHING is going to happen, though, so my biggest complaint is that what we got is a steaming pile.

That said, anyone seriously complaining about this particular issue needs to put on their big boy pants and start trying to draft something to replace the ACA.
 
2012-07-17 12:16:02 AM  
www.yellowdoggereldemocrat.org
 
2012-07-17 12:16:49 AM  

404 page not found: One of the big unreported stories on the making of 0bamacare is the actual team of savvy lefty Law Geeks that slaved away for Madame Pelosi all those grueling months, composing the stupefying language that would ensnair us all into their Rotary-Dial style, 1930s health care slum.

Maybe you know who these brainy brats are -- probably they are much like you! They would be heroes to so many, and they must have fascinating details about how that law came to be. Too bad we are not told about them. Perhaps you could ask them for us if indeed they just goofed on this one thing.

Speaking of stories never really told, who do you know that covered the Edwards campaign back in the day, and looked the other way to serve you GoodFellas? Where are they and what are they lying about to us now? Surely you would tell us, since you're so professional and all.

Ptewy.


I was told it was all written in invisible ink too because according to many Republican experts I've talked with NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT IS IN THE BILL -- EVEN THOSE WHO WROTE IT!!

And I know it took many months for it to pass but because of the magic ink -- IT WAS STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO READ!!!

No one has read it to this day!!
 
2012-07-17 12:18:04 AM  
According to what I just read, even if the argument made by the two conservative lawyers is valid, it would mean that only the people in states that implement Obamacare and set up state exchanges would qualify for Federal subsidies.

Basically it would mean the liberal states would have federally assisted health insurance while conservative states would get nothing while also still being subject to the new health insurance tax.

For once, conservative states subsidizing liberal states ... sounds good to me. (Well, except for the part where the conservative states are the ones with the highest percentage of uninsured poor.)

/I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on Fark.
 
2012-07-17 12:19:07 AM  

TheAlternator: I'm a libertarian, and I don't like the Affordable Health Care Act. I'm practical enough to know that SOMETHING is going to happen, though, so my biggest complaint is that what we got is a steaming pile.


So you are a libertarian but you are against having a healthcare system letting private companies compete and everyone actually needs to try to pay for their own healthcare at least as much as they can afford?

What system would you be for more exactly?
 
2012-07-17 12:19:32 AM  

skullkrusher: is the word "tax"? I think the Supremos have that one covered if that's the case


It must be painful to be so miserable. I'd enjoy not seeing you post anymore though, feel free to stop. :-)

Also, U.S.: insanely ignorant, selfish, or just plain hateful jingoism is NOT patriotism. Neither is racism, or tricking people less well off to accept things against their better interests. Being a sore loser is not attractive, nor is being self-indulgent and entitled in a manner that is not only undeserved... But also unparallelled by any other nation on Earth.

Grow up.
 
2012-07-17 12:20:11 AM  

Shostie: jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.

I'll see your immorality and raise you Destro Skeletor.

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x400]


Most doctor's offices are WORSE than the DMV. Today I spent an hour waiting to see the doctor for 5 minutes.
 
2012-07-17 12:21:09 AM  

NemoD: According to what I just read, even if the argument made by the two conservative lawyers is valid, it would mean that only the people in states that implement Obamacare and set up state exchanges would qualify for Federal subsidies.

Basically it would mean the liberal states would have federally assisted health insurance while conservative states would get nothing while also still being subject to the new health insurance tax.

For once, conservative states subsidizing liberal states ... sounds good to me. (Well, except for the part where the conservative states are the ones with the highest percentage of uninsured poor.)

/I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on Fark.


A) It's more butthurt whining.

B) Yes if they were right the right wing Republican states pissed at Obama would be shooting themselves in the balls and no one else would be effected.

You are much smarter than these shiatheads.
 
2012-07-17 12:23:05 AM  

inclemency: It must be painful to be so miserable. I'd enjoy not seeing you post anymore though, feel free to stop. :-)


not miserable in the least. Something you need to get off your chest?

inclemency: Also, U.S.: insanely ignorant, selfish, or just plain hateful jingoism is NOT patriotism


rather apropos of nothing but I must agree.

inclemency: Neither is racism, or tricking people less well off to accept things against their better interests. Being a sore loser is not attractive, nor is being self-indulgent and entitled in a manner that is not only undeserved... But also unparallelled by any other nation on Earth.


even more tangential but there's some wisdom to be had there

inclemency: Grow up.


there very well might be something wrong with you
 
2012-07-17 12:25:17 AM  

Shostie: jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.

I'll see your immorality and raise you Destro Skeletor.

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x400]


Crap, if I only had to wait in my doctor's office for as long as I have to wait at the DMV I would be thrilled.
 
2012-07-17 12:25:22 AM  

12349876: Shostie: jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.

I'll see your immorality and raise you Destro Skeletor.

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x400]

Most doctor's offices are WORSE than the DMV. Today I spent an hour waiting to see the doctor for 5 minutes.


The folks at my DMV in Five Points in Denver are friendly, knowledgeable, and efficient, and unless I go on the last day of the month I'm out in 20 minutes max.

I have to take the whole day off for just a cursory medical checkup.
 
2012-07-17 12:28:45 AM  

Corvus: 404 page not found: One of the big unreported stories on the making of 0bamacare is the actual team of savvy lefty Law Geeks that slaved away for Madame Pelosi all those grueling months, composing the stupefying language that would ensnair us all into their Rotary-Dial style, 1930s health care slum.

Maybe you know who these brainy brats are -- probably they are much like you! They would be heroes to so many, and they must have fascinating details about how that law came to be. Too bad we are not told about them. Perhaps you could ask them for us if indeed they just goofed on this one thing.

Speaking of stories never really told, who do you know that covered the Edwards campaign back in the day, and looked the other way to serve you GoodFellas? Where are they and what are they lying about to us now? Surely you would tell us, since you're so professional and all.

Ptewy.

I was told it was all written in invisible ink too because according to many Republican experts I've talked with NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT IS IN THE BILL -- EVEN THOSE WHO WROTE IT!!

And I know it took many months for it to pass but because of the magic ink -- IT WAS STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO READ!!!

No one has read it to this day!!


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-17 12:30:11 AM  
You know what's missing? The freaking word. What is it? Where does it go?
 
2012-07-17 12:30:15 AM  

404 page not found: Corvus: 404 page not found: One of the big unreported stories on the making of 0bamacare is the actual team of savvy lefty Law Geeks that slaved away for Madame Pelosi all those grueling months, composing the stupefying language that would ensnair us all into their Rotary-Dial style, 1930s health care slum.

Maybe you know who these brainy brats are -- probably they are much like you! They would be heroes to so many, and they must have fascinating details about how that law came to be. Too bad we are not told about them. Perhaps you could ask them for us if indeed they just goofed on this one thing.

Speaking of stories never really told, who do you know that covered the Edwards campaign back in the day, and looked the other way to serve you GoodFellas? Where are they and what are they lying about to us now? Surely you would tell us, since you're so professional and all.

Ptewy.

I was told it was all written in invisible ink too because according to many Republican experts I've talked with NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT IS IN THE BILL -- EVEN THOSE WHO WROTE IT!!

And I know it took many months for it to pass but because of the magic ink -- IT WAS STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO READ!!!

No one has read it to this day!!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 425x640]


"America" does look pretty badass with the old school Metallica logo motif. Needs more umlauts though
 
2012-07-17 12:31:12 AM  

BuckTurgidson: 12349876: Shostie: jimmyego: [i.imgur.com image 606x434]

I understand some of the arguments against it, but immoral? Really?

/Brain hurty.

I'll see your immorality and raise you Destro Skeletor.

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x400]

Most doctor's offices are WORSE than the DMV. Today I spent an hour waiting to see the doctor for 5 minutes.

The folks at my DMV in Five Points in Denver are friendly, knowledgeable, and efficient, and unless I go on the last day of the month I'm out in 20 minutes max.

I have to take the whole day off for just a cursory medical checkup.


I hate the asses "The private sector always is faster... Bullshiat Bullshiat" --

I say to them "Have you ever been in line at your private cable company?

Have you ever called a private company support line for ANYTHING?

Guess what? some things things are run efficiently and some things are not. Private companies can do well when profits are trying to be maximized. - School, Fire dept, Healthcare - are not those things.
 
2012-07-17 12:32:43 AM  

Followed the link in the article. Actual headline of the paper that discusses this issue:

Taxation Without Representation: The Illegal IRS Rule to Expand Tax Credits Under the PPACA
 
2012-07-17 12:32:58 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Now, I need some legal-type help here...

Can't they just resolve that with administrative law at the level of the federal agency? Don't they do that all the time and isn't that what's holding up the implementation of Dodd-Frank, they are actually writing how they will implement it?

Seems like a minor thing, but I defer to the swims with sharks type people.


The federal agencies will try to interpret the law, but if the courts get involved they get to override the Executive Branch.
 
2012-07-17 12:34:16 AM  

PanicMan: Followed the link in the article. Actual headline of the paper that discusses this issue:

Taxation Without Representation: The Illegal IRS Rule to Expand Tax Credits Under the PPACA


In other words: Welcome to tea party crazy town!!!
 
2012-07-17 12:34:36 AM  
Relevant:
www.smbc-comics.com

/hot
 
2012-07-17 12:35:24 AM  
Jonathan Adler (of the The Volokh Conspiracy fame, not the pottery guy) significant contributor to the increase in derp over at NRO and Michael ""Inside Every Leftist Is a Little Authoritarian Dying to Get Out" Cannon said what now?

Sorry I still really can't hear them over the sound of how little I care about either of their opinions.

A suggestion to both of them, however.

Next time they go out to buy more straws they should get the bendy kind Sarah Palin demands cos they are much easier to grasp at.

/If they get enough together they can use 'em to construct another argument.
 
2012-07-17 12:36:20 AM  
Oh! Oh! Oh!

I found a grammatical error on #291 para 23 clause 12vii subsection J.

A misplaced apostrophe!

This means Sarah Palin is automatically President and Obama has to sing "I kissed a Girl" in drag out behind the quad at lunch.
 
2012-07-17 12:36:35 AM  

WelldeadLink: NewportBarGuy: Now, I need some legal-type help here...

Can't they just resolve that with administrative law at the level of the federal agency? Don't they do that all the time and isn't that what's holding up the implementation of Dodd-Frank, they are actually writing how they will implement it?

Seems like a minor thing, but I defer to the swims with sharks type people.

The federal agencies will try to interpret the law, but if the courts get involved they get to override the Executive Branch.


But on something minor like this, they aren't going care. If people could figure out the intent then there isn't a problem.
 
2012-07-17 12:39:07 AM  

StopLurkListen: Oh! Oh! Oh!

I found a grammatical error on #291 para 23 clause 12vii subsection J.

A misplaced apostrophe!

This means Sarah Palin is automatically President and Obama has to sing "I kissed a Girl" in drag out behind the quad at lunch.


Yep it's the "The 16th amendment was passed with different capitalization so that means the federal government can't tax my income" libertarian nut-ball level of derp.
 
2012-07-17 12:39:55 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Aside from the weird Aspie behaviour here,

1) Legislative intent

and

2) (governmental agency) or (nonprofit entity that is established by a state).

and

3) A nation-state is still a state.

Any nitpicking Aspie way you cut this, the Aspies lose.


You said Aspie three times.

Definitely three times.
 
2012-07-17 12:40:05 AM  

quatchi: Jonathan Adler (of the The Volokh Conspiracy fame, not the pottery guy) significant contributor to the increase in derp over at NRO and Michael ""Inside Every Leftist Is a Little Authoritarian Dying to Get Out" Cannon said what now?


Whoa, I totally actually thought it was the pottery guy ... I gotta back off and check my position. Repost after the fold...
 
2012-07-17 12:41:24 AM  
These people are stupid, ignorant, evil, lumps of human feces.

I can't believe how farking low they will go.

Americans are really the dumbest people in the "developed" world.
 
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