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2012-07-16 06:55:56 PM  
You want to play by the same rules Theresa Kerry did? Fine. Then have Anne be the farking nominee. Heel At this point she'd proabably do 2-3 points better than you anyway
 
2012-07-16 06:56:00 PM  
Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

We already know about Romney's career in pretty good detail, what his company has done and how he was involved in it, plus basically everything about his tenure as governor, which frankly is more important. Assigning the exact number of dollars and cents gained by flipping and stripping companies for dividends isn't in any way going to make the fact that he made money flipping and stripping companies for dividends any worse, or any better.

Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.

mainstreet62: Not only that, is it REALLY that difficult to figure out where the fark her money/income came from?


Um, is it difficult for Romney? Because I'd say it's pretty well-known in the general sense at this point. Albeit, the comparison is still stupid for the original reason (Mrs. Kerry wasn't running for office).
 
2012-07-16 06:57:42 PM  

AirForceVet: What I don't understand is WHY Romney won't release his tax returns?

I cannot imagine any logical reason not too. The best case is that he wants to maintain his privacy. The worst cases range from he's got more money in other places/sources that can embarass him (like Bain after 1999) to questionable actions (Swiss bank account not reported?).

/Maybe you shouldn't have run for President, Mr. Romney.


my guess is that he collected a paychck from someone that isn't illegal, but is political suicide. Could you imagine if he released documentation that he'd collected consulting fees from Chavez or the Bin Laden family?
 
2012-07-16 06:59:34 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

We already know about Romney's career in pretty good detail, what his company has done and how he was involved in it, plus basically everything about his tenure as governor, which frankly is more important. Assigning the exact number of dollars and cents gained by flipping and stripping companies for dividends isn't in any way going to make the fact that he made money flipping and stripping companies for dividends any worse, or any better.

Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.

mainstreet62: Not only that, is it REALLY that difficult to figure out where the fark her money/income came from?

Um, is it difficult for Romney? Because I'd say it's pretty well-known in the general sense at this point. Albeit, the comparison is still stupid for the original reason (Mrs. Kerry wasn't running for office).


Well it's pretty obvious why he's not releasing his tax returns. Because it would destroy his narrative of tax rates being too high when he's paying an effective tax rate much lower than your Joe Sixpack.
 
2012-07-16 06:59:53 PM  

PonceAlyosha: I'm actually pretty sympathetic to Palin not releasing her medical records. I think, given that she had several children, they were likely MUCH more invasive than those of any male contender.



I think people could have forgiven her a bit if she'd left out some of the girly medical details. I think the reason Palin didn't release them is because they would have proven that her last kid, while definitely hers, wasn't born the way she said he was, with her water supposedly breaking and her giving a speech while she's in labor and then flying clear across the country to have her kid back in her home town. Like Romney and his tax returns, Palin's medical records would have likely exposed a lie she'd told.

It's always the cover-up that gets the pols -- they never learn.
 
2012-07-16 07:01:13 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: Weaver95: "John Kerry ran for president," Mitt Romney said Monday morning on "Fox & Friends." "You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. Somehow, this wasn't an issue."

um...because Kerry's wife wasn't running for office, you idiot.

"Now look, fair is fair. When John Kerry, a democrat, ran for office, the marital partner with a lower net worth released their tax returns. Therefore after we release my wife Ann's returns this week I hope we can put all of this foolishness behind us. I am holding up my end and playing by the rules my opponent's party has set. To argue otherwise is simply a sign that the liberal press holds Republicans to a higher standard. Good day."


Very nice. You are probably not far off.
 
2012-07-16 07:02:38 PM  
Looks like Republicans are down to using False Equivalency as their only strategy this year. Sad really.
 
2012-07-16 07:03:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.


I think these are all good and very relevant points. Would you disagree?
 
2012-07-16 07:03:46 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Corvus: One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 500x416]

People are not complaining that Romney is rich. They are complaining that he has never lived like the middle class and can not empathize with middle income people.

While you are correct, you may as well be speaking to a turtle.


Aw, that's unfair. I understand his point perfectly.
 
2012-07-16 07:04:09 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.


the issue in this case isn't the returns themselves. the issue is, he's getting taken out behind the woodshed on this bain capital thing. it looks like he's a liar, a buffoon, or that he's covering up something. he could stop all of the issues with the bain attacks if he just releases his tax returns "proving" he left in 1999 when he said he did. the fact that he now refuses to do that is perplexing and the only conclusion is that getting ripped up about bain and being made to look like a liar and fool is nowhere near as bad as the attacks he would field if he released them. and then people start to wonder- what is he hiding? what is in those returns that are so much worse than what he currently faces?
 
2012-07-16 07:04:09 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.



It has nothing to do with legal obligation. He's applying for the most important job in the country. We deserve to have the proper due diligence done on his career and his character. I'm under no "legal obligation" to give references for a job I'm applying for, but if I don't, I'm probably not getting hired, am I?

There is NO DEFENSE of this when you consider that every other candidate before him has done it. Obama has released 12 years of returns. McCain released 20 years. Romney's own dad released 12 years of his. "I'm not legally obligated to do it" is not a viable defense here.
 
2012-07-16 07:04:22 PM  

Corvus: One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 500x416]

People are not complaining that Romney is rich. They are complaining that he has never lived like the middle class and can not empathize with middle income people.


In addition, many of us are complaining that he got his money through unethical means, leaving broken businesses and destroyed lives in his wake, and he neither feels that they were unethical nor feels the need to do anything about others doing the same thing as President.
 
2012-07-16 07:05:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.


1) Romney wants the police to force Latinos to show their papers. Yet he's unwilling to show his.

2) Romney has criticized Obama for "lack of transparency." Yet he is unwilling to be transparent himself.

3) It is now customary for presidential candidates to release their tax records.

Under these circumstances, it is perfectly fair to infer from his refusal to release his tax records that they contain information which would disqualify Mr. Romney in the minds of a significant number of voters. Certainly, given the centrality of his claim that his business expertise gives him economic expertise, the question of what sort of business expertise he has is highly relevant. His tax records contain information germane to that assessment.
 
2012-07-16 07:06:44 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

We already know about Romney's career in pretty good detail, what his company has done and how he was involved in it, plus basically everything about his tenure as governor, which frankly is more important. Assigning the exact number of dollars and cents gained by flipping and stripping companies for dividends isn't in any way going to make the fact that he made money flipping and stripping companies for dividends any worse, or any better.

Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.

mainstreet62: Not only that, is it REALLY that difficult to figure out where the fark her money/income came from?

Um, is it difficult for Romney? Because I'd say it's pretty well-known in the general sense at this point. Albeit, the comparison is still stupid for the original reason (Mrs. Kerry wasn't running for office).

Well it's pretty obvious why he's not releasing his tax returns. Because it would destroy his narrative of tax rates being too high when he's paying an effective tax rate much lower than your Joe Sixpack.


also, romney has been (effectively) running for president for how many years?
he is obviously shrewd when it comes to money, and i'd bet has some really kick ass accountants.
so it would appear he did some things he's not proud of in order to maximize his net worth and minimize his tax liability.
instead of, you know, get his house in order so that the inevitable and obvious inquiries can be squashed and turned into a non-issue.
 
2012-07-16 07:10:26 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: Weaver95: "John Kerry ran for president," Mitt Romney said Monday morning on "Fox & Friends." "You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. Somehow, this wasn't an issue."

um...because Kerry's wife wasn't running for office, you idiot.

"Now look, fair is fair. When John Kerry, a democrat, ran for office, the marital partner with a lower net worth released their tax returns. Therefore after we release my wife Ann's returns this week I hope we can put all of this foolishness behind us. I am holding up my end and playing by the rules my opponent's party has set. To argue otherwise is simply a sign that the liberal press holds Republicans to a higher standard. Good day."


I'm just tickled that he wants to portray himself to the voters as a very, out-of-touch heiress.
 
2012-07-16 07:11:23 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point


While there is no legal obligation, I think the fact that he is vehemently refusing to release them when every major presidential candidate for the last 30 years released them without question is a bit suspicious. Don't you?
 
2012-07-16 07:14:50 PM  
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2012-07-16 07:17:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I think people could have forgiven her a bit if she'd left out some of the girly medical details. I think the reason Palin didn't release them is because they would have proven that her last kid, while definitely hers, wasn't born the way she said he was, with her water supposedly breaking and her giving a speech while she's in labor and then flying clear across the country to have her kid back in her home town. Like Romney and his tax returns, Palin's medical records would have likely exposed a lie she'd told.


That story always bothered me, why was it so important that her kid be born in Alaska? So that if Alaska ever gets the Independence her husband wants for it he would be a native son? Any mother putting your kid and yourself in that much risk is not a good mother, and for God's sake you had other kids to worry about. It raises the question did you want your kid to die, and this way it is not your fault for getting an abortion but God took him home?
And did this story impress anyone?

Alaska Farkers can you spill any light on this? Do native born Alaska persons get more money from the state or is the culture really oh you weren't born in Alaska poor you
 
2012-07-16 07:17:41 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point

While there is no legal obligation, I think the fact that he is vehemently refusing to release them when every major presidential candidate for the last 30 years released them without question is a bit suspicious. Don't you?


of course it's suspicious...but in this case, Romney is apparently planning to the letter of the law and to go no further. again - that's revealing of what sort of presidential administration he'd have: the letter of the law but only when it lends him an advantage. we're learning a lot about Rommey...more than he intended to tell us, I think.
 
2012-07-16 07:17:57 PM  
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2012-07-16 07:18:56 PM  

deadcrickets: Lurk sober post drunk: Weaver95: "John Kerry ran for president," Mitt Romney said Monday morning on "Fox & Friends." "You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. Somehow, this wasn't an issue."

um...because Kerry's wife wasn't running for office, you idiot.

"Now look, fair is fair. When John Kerry, a democrat, ran for office, the marital partner with a lower net worth released their tax returns. Therefore after we release my wife Ann's returns this week I hope we can put all of this foolishness behind us. I am holding up my end and playing by the rules my opponent's party has set. To argue otherwise is simply a sign that the liberal press holds Republicans to a higher standard. Good day."

I'm just tickled that he wants to portray himself to the voters as a very, out-of-touch heiress.


Finally, thank you.
 
2012-07-16 07:19:53 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: YoungSwedishBlonde: Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

We already know about Romney's career in pretty good detail, what his company has done and how he was involved in it, plus basically everything about his tenure as governor, which frankly is more important. Assigning the exact number of dollars and cents gained by flipping and stripping companies for dividends isn't in any way going to make the fact that he made money flipping and stripping companies for dividends any worse, or any better.

Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.

mainstreet62: Not only that, is it REALLY that difficult to figure out where the fark her money/income came from?

Um, is it difficult for Romney? Because I'd say it's pretty well-known in the general sense at this point. Albeit, the comparison is still stupid for the original reason (Mrs. Kerry wasn't running for office).

Well it's pretty obvious why he's not releasing his tax returns. Because it would destroy his narrative of tax rates being too high when he's paying an effective tax rate much lower than your Joe Sixpack.

also, romney has been (effectively) running for president for how many years?
he is obviously shrewd when it comes to money, and i'd bet has some really kick ass accountants.
so it would appear he did some things he's not proud of in order to maximize his net ...


Wow, you are so smart! Smarter than all of us!
And Romney and his kick-ass accountants!

Let's see how smart you and they were a week from now.
 
2012-07-16 07:21:26 PM  
You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?
 
2012-07-16 07:22:45 PM  

tlchwi02: Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

the issue in this case isn't the returns themselves. the issue is, he's getting taken out behind the woodshed on this bain capital thing. it looks like he's a liar, a buffoon, or that he's covering up something. he could stop all of the issues with the bain attacks if he just releases his tax returns "proving" he left in 1999 when he said he did. the fact that he now refuses to do that is perplexing and the only conclusion is that getting ripped up about bain and being made to look like a liar and fool is nowhere near as bad as the attacks he would field if he released them. and then people start to wonder- what is he hiding? what is in those returns that are so much worse than what he currently faces?


a) it could be that he was with Bain until 2002 (which isn't a huge issue, IMHO), or

b) considering that he payed a 15% tax rate for the single year he released, I'm guessing he paid close to zero for some of the previous years. OWS? Class Warfare? Raising taxes on the rich? Holy crap if everyone finds out he paid zero tax, he might as well sign Obama's next term right now.
 
2012-07-16 07:23:57 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?


To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...
 
2012-07-16 07:25:27 PM  

hubiestubert: I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?

To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...


I can't decide if Romney is simply out of touch or if he's really arrogant enough to think he can simply ignore the consequences of his actions here (his career at bain capital, not releasing his tax returns to name but a few).
 
2012-07-16 07:29:28 PM  
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2012-07-16 07:29:44 PM  
"Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually."

"I'm also unemployed."

"Rick, I'll tell you what, 10,000 bucks, $10,000 bet?"

"I know what it's like to worry whether you're going to get fired, there were a couple of times I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip."

"I like being able to fire people who provide personal services to me"

"I'm not sure about these cookies. They don't look like you made them. No, no. They came from the local 7-eleven, bakery, or whatever."

"He took a leave of absence and in fact he ended up not going back at all, and retired retroactively to 1999 as a result."

"You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. "



Good luck, Mittens. These will be on loop come this fall.
 
2012-07-16 07:32:10 PM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert: I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?

To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...

I can't decide if Romney is simply out of touch or if he's really arrogant enough to think he can simply ignore the consequences of his actions here (his career at bain capital, not releasing his tax returns to name but a few).


Both
Out of touch because he only has yes men around, and everything about his life and upbringing screams arrogance: raised rich, went to the best schools, Mormon so he has always been told that he must have been very good in preexistance to get his white skin and perfect life.
 
2012-07-16 07:35:46 PM  

DeltaPunch: a) it could be that he was with Bain until 2002 (which isn't a huge issue, IMHO), or


its not that big a deal to me, tbh, but it would make a great campaign add for obama- not only did a lot of shady stuff go down at bain in those years which joe six pack wont much appreciate, but yu get to call romney a liar about it too. use his own words against him. so i guess it could be a big political point score for obama.

thing is now, obama is already scoring that point. even if its true, release the forms- you've already suffered the damage. people believe since he wont release them that he probably is guilty. its lose lose for romney, so he should release, take the knock and move on. its the smart play. the fact that he wont do it seems to suggest that there is even MORE damaging stuff in there, which hurts him a lot
 
2012-07-16 07:36:26 PM  
I wonder how much Rmoney and company would scream if some state legislator introduced a bill that said you must release at least 5 or ten years of federal tax returns to be on a ballot in that state, like was attempted with a birth certificate?
 
2012-07-16 07:37:51 PM  
I thought he wore magic underware, not womens underware!
 
2012-07-16 07:38:51 PM  

spongeboob: Weaver95: hubiestubert: I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?

To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...

I can't decide if Romney is simply out of touch or if he's really arrogant enough to think he can simply ignore the consequences of his actions here (his career at bain capital, not releasing his tax returns to name but a few).

Both
Out of touch because he only has yes men around, and everything about his life and upbringing screams arrogance: raised rich, went to the best schools, Mormon so he has always been told that he must have been very good in preexistance to get his white skin and perfect life.


I think the words that best describe Romney are "unreasonable sense of self-entitlement." His basic platform, when it boils down to it, is that he's just entitled to be president because he was born with a silver spoon up his ass. Reminds me a lot of Bush, really.
 
2012-07-16 07:39:29 PM  
Really, trash talking Oprah? A woman who was born, quite literally, "a poor black child", sexually abused, and yet she created a media empire that employs, what, hundreds, a few thousand, people. As opposed to, being born the child of privilege and wealth, never having to really worry about anything, and getting rich by playing the angles? Nice try.
 
2012-07-16 07:39:33 PM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert: I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?

To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...

I can't decide if Romney is simply out of touch or if he's really arrogant enough to think he can simply ignore the consequences of his actions here (his career at bain capital, not releasing his tax returns to name but a few).


Come on, you KNOW it's arrogance. I am completely sold on that. Thwre just cant be another explanation....wait...secret democrat?
 
2012-07-16 07:40:07 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?


So what you are saying is that even the Presidential candidate who self-described himself as mentally damaged is sane enough to release tax returns to show the public that he is prudent and open enough to justify their trust in giving him the job of President, but that his son goes completely apeshiat at the suggestion he do the same? If George Romney was batshiat insane and could do it, what does that say about the mental stability and general ability of Mitty? Was "Tereza Hienz Kerry, biatches!" RMoney's "I was brainwashed"?
 
2012-07-16 07:40:12 PM  
 
2012-07-16 07:40:14 PM  

sdd2000: I wonder how much Rmoney and company would scream if some state legislator introduced a bill that said you must release at least 5 or ten years of federal tax returns to be on a ballot in that state, like was attempted with a birth certificate?


5 or 10 years of birth certificates? I think it took me less than an hour to be born.
 
2012-07-16 07:40:30 PM  

Pharque-it: Lurk sober post drunk: YoungSwedishBlonde: Jim_Callahan: YoungSwedishBlonde: Jim_Callahan: Look, I enjoy making fun of Mitt as much as the next guy, but there's no legal obligation to release his tax records past a certain point, and unless someone can find an actual reason it's relevant to the presidential race beyond pure gossip-rag voyeurism I think we should stop reporting on this like it's some sort of real issue of some kind.

We already know about Romney's career in pretty good detail, what his company has done and how he was involved in it, plus basically everything about his tenure as governor, which frankly is more important. Assigning the exact number of dollars and cents gained by flipping and stripping companies for dividends isn't in any way going to make the fact that he made money flipping and stripping companies for dividends any worse, or any better.

Given that knowing exactly how much he gained from being a proud and productive captain of industry / shameless job killing profiteer with no ethics is in no way going to change so much as a single person's opinion of the practice, there's no interest whatsoever in seeing his tax records, much less the overriding interest typically required to justify violating someone's privacy.

mainstreet62: Not only that, is it REALLY that difficult to figure out where the fark her money/income came from?

Um, is it difficult for Romney? Because I'd say it's pretty well-known in the general sense at this point. Albeit, the comparison is still stupid for the original reason (Mrs. Kerry wasn't running for office).

Well it's pretty obvious why he's not releasing his tax returns. Because it would destroy his narrative of tax rates being too high when he's paying an effective tax rate much lower than your Joe Sixpack.

also, romney has been (effectively) running for president for how many years?
he is obviously shrewd when it comes to money, and i'd bet has some really kick ass accountants.
so it would appear he did some things he's not proud of in order to maximize his net ...

Wow, you are so smart! Smarter than all of us!
And Romney and his kick-ass accountants!

Let's see how smart you and they were a week from now..


me and...who? i was just saying that someone who has long been planning a presidential run and is very well versed in finances should have...prepared for this very obvious electoral issue? i'm not very smart, so i don't even know what your comment means. sorry.
 
2012-07-16 07:41:44 PM  

bugontherug: I think the words that best describe Romney are "unreasonable sense of self-entitlement." His basic platform, when it boils down to it, is that he's just entitled to be president because he was born with a silver spoon up his ass. Reminds me a lot of Bush, really.


Born on third base, thinks he hit a home run.
 
2012-07-16 07:41:53 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Quasar: Aarontology: vernonFL: Romney's tax returns would reveal earnings from both the Tyrell Corporation and Cyberdyne Systems.

I heard he's a major shareholder in Weyland-Yutani.

I heard he's recently acquired a company that produces umbrellas or something.

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2012-07-16 07:42:12 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Well it's pretty obvious why he's not releasing his tax returns. Because it would destroy his narrative of tax rates being too high when he's paying an effective tax rate much lower than your Joe Sixpack.


Yeah, but we know that without looking at them, we'd still gain no actual relevant information from the journalistic equivalent of digging through his soiled magic underwear form the laundry basket.

I'm not arguing that it wouldn't give the people that already don't like the guy some grounds to be arbitrarily self-satisfied and go all "I told you so" to more people that weren't actually disagreeing with them, I'm just saying that you need a fairly compelling reason to require someone to disclose what is normally considered pretty private information.

I mean, you're free to judge him for not releasing them if that's really what tips the scales for you. But frankly if you seriously haven't gotten enough information about the candidates yet that this is what makes up your mind, I've gotta note that I, in turn, am judging your research skills and general knowledge and finding them somewhat lacking. Also, either way I think my main point stands, that being that the whole "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" factor of the 31415927 articles in three days on this subject is way disproportionate to the actual offense here. Especially since the period people seem to be aiming for to grab their "gotcha" from his tax records is equivalent in "that was a while ago" value to demanding Obama's college transcripts (which is also retarded, if my opinion isn't clear from context).
 
2012-07-16 07:42:29 PM  

Dinki: AirForceVet: What I don't understand is WHY Romney won't release his tax returns?

A lot of people were upset that he only paid 15% in taxes in 2010. Wait till they find out he paid 0% in the prior years. You don't think all that money in Switzerland, Bermuda and the Caymans was a vacation fund, do you?


I think he sees those bank accounts and offshoring jobs as his foreign policy experience.

Here's McCain's opposition file on Romney from the 2008 primaries:

Link

On page 66 you can see what McCain's advisors had to say about his foreign policy experience:

FOREIGN POLICY
Romney has no foreign policy experience.
 
2012-07-16 07:44:10 PM  
OK. Hear this. John Kerry - a rich white ass hole - was never elected president. Willard Romney is a rich white ass hole, same shiat. Same outcome. Romney liar = loser.

Romney will not be elected President no matter how much you shills are paid to post on Fark.
 
2012-07-16 07:44:39 PM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert: I_Hate_Iowa: You guys, Mitt's dad is the reason candidates release their tax returns, but even that isn't enough for Mitt. His dad is the pioneer, yet he's still fighting it. Wouldn't be amazing if Mitt's dad is the one that sinks his campaign?

To be fair, if his Dad had turned Mitt over his knee a few more times, we might have a better candidate and a better human period running...

I can't decide if Romney is simply out of touch or if he's really arrogant enough to think he can simply ignore the consequences of his actions here (his career at bain capital, not releasing his tax returns to name but a few).


Actually, I think he's starting to get a little desperate. The proles are looking harder at him, and I think that the Schrodinger's Candidate thing is starting to catch up to him--or rather, he realizes that if he releases those returns, then he essentially hands a LOT of ammunition over.

Not for anything illegal. But folks are going to realize how much he made on aborted fetuses. They're going to realize how much he made playing Lich King to American businesses. It is not going to be a pretty picture, because it only reinforces the image that he will say and do anything, if the money is right. Be that coming out pro-choice, or coming out pro-life a few years later. Be that being all about the American worker, when he couldn't be bothered with GM or the auto industry before. His returns don't contain illegality, but quite legal, and damning information of how he does business, and any decent accountant will be able to read through the lines. Lines that folks have already zinged him for costing him the VP slot last time.

Romney isn't going to jail for anything in them--though, I think an SEC investigation would just be vindictive and only cause folks to lose they damn minds--but it certainly dispels the Neverending Retcon that Romney KEEPS casting around himself, and THAT is really what he fears.

If money is speech, and Romney is afraid that folks will listen closely to what he's been saying over the years, despite what he's put out to the rubes...
 
2012-07-16 07:45:20 PM  
We now need to see his tax forms to clear the air about Mrs. Kerry. She might be a sister-wife to Mitt. This will blow the campaign off Mitt's wooden toilet seats.
 
2012-07-16 07:47:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm not arguing that it wouldn't give the people that already don't like the guy some grounds to be arbitrarily self-satisfied and go all "I told you so" to more people that weren't actually disagreeing with them, I'm just saying that you need a fairly compelling reason to require someone to disclose what is normally considered pretty private information.


Every other president has done so in the last 36 years. His father was the one who said this was important. You are trying to pretend this is somehow above and beyond what is normally asked for. It is not.
 
2012-07-16 07:48:37 PM  

Corvus: bugontherug: I think the words that best describe Romney are "unreasonable sense of self-entitlement." His basic platform, when it boils down to it, is that he's just entitled to be president because he was born with a silver spoon up his ass. Reminds me a lot of Bush, really.

Born on third base, thinks he hit a home run.


armagideon-time.com

WTF is this guy's problem?
 
2012-07-16 07:50:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm just saying that you need a fairly compelling reason to require someone to disclose what is normally considered pretty private information.


He's interviewing with the American people to be their leader. He's asking us that we put him in charge of the nuclear arsenal, Social Security, Medicare, everything. We're asking to see 10 years worth of tax returns. What, to you, would be a more compelling reason for this request?
 
2012-07-16 07:51:08 PM  
I saw the derp brigade whining on Facebook today about Obama not releasing his college transcripts.

I can only hope that Obama is doing the Romney tax return thing because he KNOWS that Romney's next move on the chess board is to play the transcript pawn, and then Obama releases the transcripts with Andrew Shepherd-esque quality.

-"C- in Women Studies?"

-"That course wasn't what I thought it would be about. (WHITE WOMEN!)"
 
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