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2012-07-16 01:18:40 PM  
Wow. Only 28% support among GOP voters? I knew they were out of touch, but that's really out of touch.
 
2012-07-16 01:34:39 PM  
Historically, social conservatives only win battles when a religious uprising murders hundreds of thousands of people and buries their 'heathen' cultures under a mountain of bone and ash. So think about what side you're on, douchebags.
 
2012-07-16 01:35:59 PM  
I was before marriage equality before it went all corporate.
 
2012-07-16 01:38:27 PM  
That's cool; once it gets undeniably popular they can be retroactively for it and blame Democrats for dragging their feet for so long. Like Civil Rights in the 60s.
 
2012-07-16 01:49:39 PM  

BunkoSquad: That's cool; once it gets undeniably popular they can be retroactively for it and blame Democrats for dragging their feet for so long. Like Civil Rights in the 60s.


They are so good at pretending Dixiecrats were never distinct from Democrats. And ever better at feigning ignorance over the mass Dixiecrat exodus over to the right.
 
2012-07-16 03:01:13 PM  
 
2012-07-16 03:22:17 PM  
We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.
 
2012-07-16 03:26:33 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


Alright, fine. I just took you off my ignore list. But you better behave yourself.
 
2012-07-16 03:34:21 PM  
This is one of the areas I significantly depart from the GOP platform. Gay marriage doesn't threaten marriage. In fact, quite the opposite: disallowing it is one of the greatest threats traditional marriage has ever faced.
 
2012-07-16 03:38:19 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


and this is how i know you're not a troll. once in a while you actually act like a decent person.
 
2012-07-16 04:03:44 PM  
Reports suggest that as more gay individuals live openly and tell their friends and family that they are gay, support for marriage equality will continue to rise. Those who know someone who identifies as gay are 20 points likelier to back marriage equality.

For everyone who has ever biatched and griped about people coming out, this is why it's important. And yes, out celebrities have helped everyday people in this regard.
 
2012-07-16 04:04:19 PM  

ginandbacon: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

Alright, fine. I just took you off my ignore list. But you better behave yourself.


Since the Walker recall election I have tried to make myself more balanced. I supported his recall because of the ultrapartisanship he showed his state. I realized that, while biatching and moaning at people for being partisan, I forgot about my own biases.
 
2012-07-16 04:08:14 PM  
Still ok to discriminate against people who choose not to get married though...
 
2012-07-16 04:09:47 PM  

Sybarite: Reports suggest that as more gay individuals live openly and tell their friends and family that they are gay, support for marriage equality will continue to rise. Those who know someone who identifies as gay are 20 points likelier to back marriage equality.

For everyone who has ever biatched and griped about people coming out, this is why it's important. And yes, out celebrities have helped everyday people in this regard.


It's not the only way out celebrities help. But yes.

In 20 years, you won't find anyone willing to admit they were against gay marriage.
 
2012-07-16 04:17:24 PM  

cman: ginandbacon: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

Alright, fine. I just took you off my ignore list. But you better behave yourself.

Since the Walker recall election I have tried to make myself more balanced. I supported his recall because of the ultrapartisanship he showed his state. I realized that, while biatching and moaning at people for being partisan, I forgot about my own biases.


Just don't talk about me having sand in my lady peach anymore ;)
 
2012-07-16 04:19:09 PM  

ginandbacon: cman: ginandbacon: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

Alright, fine. I just took you off my ignore list. But you better behave yourself.

Since the Walker recall election I have tried to make myself more balanced. I supported his recall because of the ultrapartisanship he showed his state. I realized that, while biatching and moaning at people for being partisan, I forgot about my own biases.

Just don't talk about me having sand in my lady peach anymore ;)


Yeah, I really was out of line that day.
 
2012-07-16 04:28:50 PM  
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
 
2012-07-16 04:33:07 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


God is just a holdover from the old days before humans knew what science was. God was an explanation for why it rained. God was an explanation for why crops turned to shiat. And, most importantly, God was an explanation for the most scary concept of all: when we humans die, it is the end. There is nothing after this.
 
2012-07-16 04:33:44 PM  

cman: ginandbacon: cman: ginandbacon: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

Alright, fine. I just took you off my ignore list. But you better behave yourself.

Since the Walker recall election I have tried to make myself more balanced. I supported his recall because of the ultrapartisanship he showed his state. I realized that, while biatching and moaning at people for being partisan, I forgot about my own biases.

Just don't talk about me having sand in my lady peach anymore ;)

Yeah, I really was out of line that day.


No worries. Water, bridge.
 
2012-07-16 04:34:43 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?
 
2012-07-16 04:35:34 PM  

what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?


He must have gotten a nice call from his mother or other loved one.
 
2012-07-16 04:39:31 PM  

what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?


This is what I have to deal with.

When I disagree with people, they remember me very, very well. But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.

Plus, because people make assumptions, they usually group me with people who I do not belong with.

When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.
 
2012-07-16 04:39:42 PM  
Even the old people are coming around, as the old ones dies off, and the ones still living haven't seen the total collapse of society.

And I know it's probably cynical, but the economic activity generated by the extra weddings is nothing to be laughed at.
 
2012-07-16 04:48:40 PM  

cman: what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?

This is what I have to deal with.

When I disagree with people, they remember me very, very well. But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.

Plus, because people make assumptions, they usually group me with people who I do not belong with.

When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.


This is why I moved you from 'weapons grade loopaderper" to "well meaning but occasionally tactless boob".
 
2012-07-16 04:52:24 PM  

cman: what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?

This is what I have to deal with.

When I disagree with people, they remember me very, very well. But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.

Plus, because people make assumptions, they usually group me with people who I do not belong with.

When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.


Well part of that is Poe's law, and part is because people get lumped into "Fascist" or "commie".

I will move you into "Fascist but still ok catagory"
 
2012-07-16 04:53:46 PM  

cman: When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.


My problem is that I simply can't understand siding with the group that half-agrees with you on only a single issue. Because the stuff you talk about OUTSIDE right-wing economics is like poison to republicans. I just don't understand how the economic issue can be so important that you apparently either overlook or don't care that A) the GOP doesn't give a shiat about economic conservatism, they're all talk, and B) They oppose you entirely on social issues, 100%.
 
2012-07-16 04:58:41 PM  
All I can say is my wife is good at putting just the right amount of mayo on my sandwiches.
 
2012-07-16 05:00:16 PM  

cman: But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.


oh right, that's exactly what is happening in this thread and furthermore,
 
2012-07-16 05:00:55 PM  

Jackson Herring: cman: But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.

oh right, that's exactly what is happening in this thread and furthermore,


thats because I got here early
 
2012-07-16 05:01:03 PM  
I preferred marriage equality before it released its third album. Buncha pop crap.
 
2012-07-16 05:02:03 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


Cman's heart before this thread:
adventuresforlife.files.wordpress.com

Cman's Heart after this thread:
thinkpositive30.com
 
2012-07-16 05:02:30 PM  

kingoomieiii: cman: When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.

My problem is that I simply can't understand siding with the group that half-agrees with you on only a single issue. Because the stuff you talk about OUTSIDE right-wing economics is like poison to republicans. I just don't understand how the economic issue can be so important that you apparently either overlook or don't care that A) the GOP doesn't give a shiat about economic conservatism, they're all talk, and B) They oppose you entirely on social issues, 100%.


I am a due paying member of the Libertarian party
 
2012-07-16 05:02:58 PM  

kingoomieiii: Historically, social conservatives only win battles when a religious uprising murders hundreds of thousands of people and buries their 'heathen' cultures under a mountain of bone and ash. So think about what side you're on, douchebags.


The social conservatives, I think. They sound scary and I don't want to be buried under a mountain of bone and ash.

Wait, was that a trick question?
 
2012-07-16 05:04:03 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?

He must have gotten a nice call from his mother or other loved one.


Started taking his meds, apparently. Looks like there is an upside to healthcare.
 
2012-07-16 05:04:10 PM  
So how did this happen so suddenly.

I thought 11 states voted it down in the last two elections....
 
2012-07-16 05:05:13 PM  
You might be a redneck if the demographic into which you fall only supports marriage equality at a rate of 28%.

That's the joke.
 
2012-07-16 05:06:05 PM  
My parents are both 67 and they don't care if gay people get married. Or adopt children. Or have the same rights as everyone else.

You're losing and losing hard, Cons.
 
2012-07-16 05:06:37 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


What the hell is wrong with you? Tomatoes are disgusting.
 
2012-07-16 05:06:39 PM  
FINE! I'll go make my own damned sandwich, I can take a hint!
 
2012-07-16 05:06:45 PM  
Absolutely no reason it shouldnt be mainstream. On most political issues you can at least see some validity to the other side's position/view, even if you disagree.

But on gay marriage I just can't see any reason to be opposed to two guys or two chicks getting married in the eyes of the law.
 
2012-07-16 05:07:09 PM  

cman: what_now: cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.

....?

Did someone screw with my farkies?

This is what I have to deal with.

When I disagree with people, they remember me very, very well. But when I agree with them, my message is usually lost within the sea of other agreeing comments.

Plus, because people make assumptions, they usually group me with people who I do not belong with.

When I talk about gay rights and transgender equality, it usually falls on deaf ears. When I talk about my right winged economical views, I automatically become a Republican bigot who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and will praise Romney until the day I die.


I for one have noticed your much more balanced approach as of late. I might not agree with you, but your comments have become much more reasoned. And for that, a tip of the hat to you.
 
2012-07-16 05:07:34 PM  
What most people don't get is that this is becoming a non-issue. If two people want to be happy, let them.

Those who are still "against' gay marriage are holding onto that issue, and have a lot of past resentment, ignorance, and baseless hatred attached to it. They see it as an US vs THEM attitude, when in truth there aren't people "fighting to kill traditional marriage". That they have to dig in and hold their position, or they will lose everything.

Yeah there are tons of supporters of Gay Marriage, but there are a shiat load more people who haven't thought about it since Biden let it slip. Let the sad angry people be sad and angry, there are clouds that need to be yelled at.
 
2012-07-16 05:07:42 PM  

cman: thismomentinblackhistory: God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

God is just a holdover from the old days before humans knew what science was. God was an explanation for why it rained. God was an explanation for why crops turned to shiat. And, most importantly, God was an explanation for the most scary concept of all: when we humans die, it is the end. There is nothing after this.


Actually... no. GODS were the answer. The fact that it never made sense was because the Rain god wasn't on speaking terms with the Death god, who had been schtuping the Goddess of the hunt, and their love child was the ... (You get the idea)

Well along comes the Abrahemic Religions. At first, the idea was "my local god" > "your local god". But over time it became "my local god" > (Your god doesn't exist.) And finally, after a millennium of retcon, do we finally get the concept of an all-knowing creator God.

Except of course, that a god who both creates and destroys, who loves and who wars, who is the bringer of both rain and drought seems a bit schizophrenic. Well it is.

PS Satan in the bible is not God's nemesis. Read through all the passages. He's God's servant. His test engineer. There is nothing in the bible about fallen angels. No concrete descriptions of heaven, or hell. No bits of creation rebelling against his word, save we puny humans.

Actually pick up the bible, and read it.
 
2012-07-16 05:07:46 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


Then who did create Steve? And why did he make him so damn hot?
 
2012-07-16 05:08:19 PM  

rohar: FINE! I'll go make my own damned sandwich, I can take a hint!


With blackjack! And hookers!
 
2012-07-16 05:08:21 PM  
The reactionary regressives will get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century at some point. It won't be pretty, but it will happen.
 
2012-07-16 05:08:41 PM  
 
2012-07-16 05:09:19 PM  
I liked cman before it was cool.
 
2012-07-16 05:09:34 PM  

cman: We are definately changing for the good. However, I wont be happy until more attention is given to the T portion of LGBT. These folks have been left behind. We need to support them now more than ever.


That's going to be a taller order in some regards. I imagine marriage won't be an issue anymore, once gay marriage becomes legally accepted, as it's pretty much going from "one man + one woman" to "one individual + one individual."

But from a psychological perspective, people are cognitively lazy. They want to classify people quickly, and then not think about it any more. Heterosexuals it's easy, and the most common (e.g., you are a man, so you like women. I know what men are, and understand attraction to the opposite). Homosexuals was a bit more difficult, but not by much (e.g., you're a man, but you like men and don't like women. I know what men are, and it takes more effort to process you liking men and process you not liking women, but I understand.). Bisexuals, pretty easy. (e.g. you're a man, and you like men and women. I know what men are, and you like women, which I get, and you like men too, which takes a bit longer to process, but I otherwise I get it).

For the transgendered it's far more cognitively challenging, because there are no easy heuristics. (e.g., You're a... what? You don't identify as a man, you don't identify as a woman. Forget about who you're attracted to, I can't even quickly figure out what gender you are. Processing this will take a lot of effort... I don't understand.)

This isn't a criticism of transgendered people, it's a by-product of our mental processes. The public will need a lot more familiarity with the transgendered community to get past the initial "I don't like you because I don't understand you and you're making me think."
 
2012-07-16 05:09:35 PM  

cman: I am a due paying member of the Libertarian party


Does it piss you off that the Libertarian Party keeps nominating Republicans for President?
 
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