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(Fox News)   Carmelo Anthony calls Houston's contract offer to Jeremy Lin 'ridiculous'. Seems appropriate since Carmelo knows all about ridiculous contracts   (latino.foxnews.com ) divider line
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2012-07-16 04:27:54 PM  

Losting: I hate how NBA players control the league. They biatch and moan about everything.


Yeah I HATE it when the players control the league. Personally, I watch sports for the thrill of seeing how billionaire owners paying people to manage their teams can compete with each other. Why shoudl the players even get paid? The owners are the REAL heroes.
 
2012-07-16 04:27:57 PM  

Bill Frist: Yi Jianlian is actually from China, not just Chinese American, but have his recent teams had some gigantic Asian market boost from having him?


Maybe because he doesn't even get playing time and he isn't good.
 
2012-07-16 04:28:57 PM  

Bill Frist: Levarien: comes to 58 million and change for year 3 alone.

although to be fair, this assumes the Knicks wouldn't be unable to unload one of these contracts before that time. If the Knicks team isn't winning, they should be able to move Amare or Chandler or Lin.

Knicks should take the gamble. Lin likely won't get you a championship, but Felton DEFINITELY won't.


True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.
 
2012-07-16 04:30:05 PM  

TheJoe03: Bill Frist: Yi Jianlian is actually from China, not just Chinese American, but have his recent teams had some gigantic Asian market boost from having him?

Maybe because he doesn't even get playing time and he isn't good.


Exactly. So, as per the rest of my post, if Lin turns out to not be that good and loses playing time Linsanity marketing is hardly some slam dunk. I like Lin though, not saying he will turn out that way. But 25 games is a small sample to assume he will be a huge marketing boost in like year 3 of this contract.
 
2012-07-16 04:31:44 PM  

Levarien: True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.


Amare's unmovable and without Chandler their defense is awful. They could try to move Melo but he'd throw a shiatfit if he weren't in New York so I don't know if anyone would want to trade for him either.

I think they used their amnesty already, too.
 
2012-07-16 04:33:18 PM  

Levarien: True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.


Also true, but what's the point of getting melo and amare and chandler if you aren't going to try to win. Again, i'm not saying Lin gets them a championship. But there is a chance at least with Lin. No chance with Felton.

I mean, unless the Knicks have some plan to get Paul or something, you are committing to being mediocre with Felton.
 
2012-07-16 04:34:48 PM  

EvilMonkeyBoy: The amount of progress he's made as a converted PG in such a short time is tremendous and barring his knees giving out from playing 40 minutes a night in a compressed season where he wasn't conditioned to that at all...


You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Bill Frist: Melo has played for many years, is one of the league's best iso scorers (one fo the best ever even)


Melo is very talented, but only a portion of that talent translates into on-court production. It's not hard to find a HoF forward that beats him in every meaningful statistic, if not ALL of them. As a player he sits firmly in that gray area between "good" and "great". Which would be fine if he didn't act like he's already great.
 
2012-07-16 04:38:07 PM  

dragonchild: Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.


Stupid, yes. But David Stern's done much worse...
 
2012-07-16 04:41:28 PM  

dragonchild: Bill Frist: Melo has played for many years, is one of the league's best iso scorers (one fo the best ever even)

Melo is very talented, but only a portion of that talent translates into on-court production. It's not hard to find a HoF forward that beats him in every meaningful statistic, if not ALL of them. As a player he sits firmly in that gray area between "good" and "great". Which would be fine if he didn't act like he's already great.


I don't thin you need to defend melo or think that he is a HOF player or whatever to think that his contracts have not been "ridiculous."

With the way the CBA is, many worse players (and less marketable players) than him get max contract deals.
 
2012-07-16 04:44:02 PM  

dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.


Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.
 
2012-07-16 04:47:09 PM  

Bill Frist: So, as per the rest of my post, if Lin turns out to not be that good and loses playing time Linsanity marketing is hardly some slam dunk. I like Lin though, not saying he will turn out that way. But 25 games is a small sample to assume he will be a huge marketing boost in like year 3 of this contract.


This isn't baseball; you don't need 400-game samples to make meaningful conclusions. Watch his game or something. Lin can be shut down, but this was generally accomplished by elite defensive teams playing with playoff intensity. Miami, Boston and Philly shut him down, but to be fair, they shut everyone down. They make EVERY team they play look worse. He's mortal, definitely not great (you have to beat great players to be great yourself), but hardly a "flash in the pan". His key assets -- court vision & decision making -- aren't going to get any worse and at 23 he's got a ways before age catches up to him. Honestly, people are expecting a player this young, in the most cerebral position in basketball, to get worse?

Yes he might wind up playing below his contract value but few players come with built-in market appeal as a proxy insurance policy. No there are no guarantees but it's stupid to suddenly be cautious with a young player, THIS player, when the marketing side has so many more upsides. About the only thing legitimately working against Lin should be his knee injury and that's barely being discussed.
 
2012-07-16 04:51:30 PM  
dragonchild:

believe it or not, this wouldn't be the first time a player burst out of nowhere for a really hot streak, then ended up mediocore. Remember Flip Murray?

Anyway, I agree the Knicks should match for various reasons I've said. And I personally think that Lin will be a good player, probably a starting PG. But I dont' think his "built in marketability" will last if he ends up not being very good, especially if he is on a mediocore team. And there definitely is a possibility he won't be that special
 
2012-07-16 04:56:10 PM  
givemetherock.com
 
2012-07-16 04:56:56 PM  
First the 1994 Championship and now a starting PG. Thanks, New York! We didn't get YOU anything...
 
2012-07-16 05:19:26 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: First the 1994 Championship and now a starting PG. Thanks, New York! We didn't get YOU anything...


Hey, I credit Morey (sp) for putting the Knicks over a barrel. Dolan is the jagoff in this deal.
 
2012-07-16 05:37:19 PM  

Bill Frist: this wouldn't be the first time a player burst out of nowhere for a really hot streak, then ended up mediocore


That's where his play is relevant. If Lin got "hot" by torching bad teams at his teammates' expense, that's one thing, but he turned Steve Novak from a one-trick pony to a legitimate threat and spent much time in blowouts on the bench. That doesn't make him phenomenal (it's a no-brainer to rest your starters in a blowout) but I don't see any obvious evidence his stats are inflated.

Bill Frist: I dont' think his "built in marketability" will last if he ends up not being very good, especially if he is on a mediocore team.


That's a risk any team that signs him will have to take. My only point is, in the absence of a sure thing, Lin has so many upsides it's facepalm-inducing that there'd be any discussion about risk. He's not old, his market value isn't directly tied to his stats, he isn't a head case, he isn't in legal trouble, he's coming off a successful season (as opposed to, you know, a SHIATTY ONE). . . I get this is a business but at some point this discussion stops being rational and is reduced to spite and quibbling.
 
2012-07-16 05:52:31 PM  
I wonder what Carmelo's thoughts are on the $65MM his buddy Amare will be making over the next 3 years.

A 6'10" power forward whose game is built around athleticism who is no longer athletic.
 
2012-07-16 06:25:11 PM  

you have pee hands: dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.


[citation needed]
 
2012-07-16 07:05:02 PM  

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.

Agreed. The offers that have been made this off season are out of control.


Out of control contracts? Preposterous. The lockout fixed that!

/Asik and Batum are neck and neck in the "you gotta be farking kidding me" contract sweepstakes
 
2012-07-16 10:25:28 PM  

PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.

[citation needed]


There's something incredibly lazy about a [citation needed] post, especially when (1) I'm refuting a claim for which no evidence has been presented and (2) it's really easy to find the answer yourself if you've ever used a search engine.

But here you go. I'm sure there's plenty more!
 
2012-07-16 11:08:29 PM  
It must be tough for an Asian player to be naked in a NBA lockerroom.
 
2012-07-16 11:30:57 PM  
I don't get why people are shiatting on the Rockets giving Asik 5m/5m/15m which actually translates to a little over 8m for three seasons. Asik is a great defender (statistically something like 95th percentile in pick and roll defense by points allowed per possession) and plays hard. 8m for a center that does that and can protect the rim is a reasonable contract.

Criticism of offering Lin that much is warranted; however, the Rockets have been basically the best team in the NBA at identifying and developing relatively unheard of PGs over the past 3-4 seasons. I'll give them a pass on this one if they think Lin can pass muster.

Also the Knicks are a terribly run franchise and James Dolan should feel bad at night before he goes to sleep.
 
2012-07-17 12:43:22 AM  

logggur: Criticism of offering Lin that much is warranted; however, the Rockets have been basically the best team in the NBA at identifying and developing relatively unheard of PGs over the past 3-4 seasons. I'll give them a pass on this one if they think Lin can pass muster.


You do realize they had lin on the roster and cut him, right? Not sure how great they are at identifying....

Lowry was a 6 year vet when he finally had a good season. He'd already been in Houston for 2 seasons doing nothing.

Dragic was stuck behind Nash, but I think people knew he was good before Rockets started starting him
 
2012-07-17 09:26:13 AM  

logggur: I don't get why people are shiatting on the Rockets giving Asik 5m/5m/15m which actually translates to a little over 8m for three seasons. Asik is a great defender (statistically something like 95th percentile in pick and roll defense by points allowed per possession) and plays hard. 8m for a center that does that and can protect the rim is a reasonable contract.


He's got stone hands and can't shoot at all. Unless you're a Ben Wallace level defender & rebounder that's a lot of money for a guy who's completely useless on offense.
 
2012-07-17 07:46:24 PM  

mc_madness: It must be tough for an Asian player to be naked in a NBA lockerroom.


I think we found Jason Whitlock's Fark handle. ^_^
 
2012-07-18 05:27:15 PM  

Bill Frist: Losting: I hate how NBA players control the league. They biatch and moan about everything.


Yeah I HATE it when the players control the league. Personally, I watch sports for the thrill of seeing how billionaire owners paying people to manage their teams can compete with each other. Why shoudl the players even get paid? The owners are the REAL heroes.


^^^THIS!
 
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