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2012-07-16 12:52:49 PM  
Maybe if Melo wasn't such an immature prick of a person, he would have more than just his Syracuse ring right now.

\and as it is, we all know that Boeheim sold his soul to the devil for that one
 
2012-07-16 12:56:02 PM  
As much as I dislike Carmelo Anthony, he's right about that contract being ridiculous.
 
2012-07-16 01:05:25 PM  
It's Ok, this gives Jason Kidd a chance to finally get his day in the spot light.
 
2012-07-16 01:16:14 PM  

Nabb1: As much as I dislike Carmelo Anthony, he's right about that contract being ridiculous.

 
2012-07-16 01:49:46 PM  
The guy has been responsible for raising a ridiculous amount of money for the Knicks through merchandising and ticket sales. There certainly wasn't too much else to be excited about last season.
 
2012-07-16 02:01:45 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: It's Ok, this gives Jason Kidd a chance to finally get his day in the spot light.


The police cruiser's spot light?
 
2012-07-16 02:07:12 PM  

Nabb1: As much as I dislike Carmelo Anthony, he's right about that contract being ridiculous.


It's not a sports move, it's a marketing move. From that standpoint it might actually pay off. As the Heat found out last year and Donald Sterling has always known, you don't make money in the NBA by putting out a winning team.
 
2012-07-16 02:07:31 PM  

Nabb1: As much as I dislike Carmelo Anthony, he's right about that contract being ridiculous.


Not Lin's or his agent's fault. The Knicks should've offered a max contract at him; but they were following Steve Nash around hoping he'd sign with them.

Then again, Jim Dolan makes "Dollar" Bill Wirtz look like a farking genius.
 
2012-07-16 02:12:47 PM  
fta:
"...crashed an SUV into a telephone
poll, police said."

so he hit a phone survey?
 
2012-07-16 02:13:19 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: It's Ok, this gives Jason Kidd a chance to finally get his day in the spot light.


In the NY State Penal League?
 
2012-07-16 02:15:28 PM  
Melo doesn't need to be snitchin' about some other person's contract.

/Lin-sane, because the Wiz aren't going anywhere.
 
2012-07-16 02:21:49 PM  
I'll translate this for Melo:

"The Knicks better not re-sign him, I didn't like Lin getting my attention"
 
2012-07-16 02:22:47 PM  
I dislike Melo. I dislike how the Knicks have spent their money so far, and this Lin situation is a result of it. However, they can't pay $58,000,000 for one year (the third year) of Jeremy Lin. The knicks have been kings of sending good money after bad, and for once they seem ready not to do that.
 
2012-07-16 02:22:49 PM  
Toronto radio station was asking this question this morning based on carmelos reaction ..

"Would he have said the same thing about a black nba players contract?"

Essentially they were implying racial tension in the locker room and that some of the players were upset that lin was getting celeb status for those few weeks...
 
2012-07-16 02:24:51 PM  

Rwa2play: The Knicks should've offered a max contract at him; but they were following Steve Nash around hoping he'd sign with them.


A max contract for a guy with 25 games of experience on your team?

That would have been even more insane than the Houston offer sheet.
 
2012-07-16 02:28:40 PM  
The Knicks have been ridiculous. I'm going to enjoy watching the Nets take over New York.
 
2012-07-16 02:30:28 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: The Knicks should've offered a max contract at him; but they were following Steve Nash around hoping he'd sign with them.

A max contract for a guy with 25 games of experience on your team?

That would have been even more insane than the Houston offer sheet.


Maybe; but considering what Houston did...it doesn't sound that crazy now does it?

IIRC the penalties of signing Lin to a max contract wouldn't be as bad since he's re-signing with the Knicks right?

In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.
 
2012-07-16 02:31:35 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Toronto radio station was asking this question this morning based on carmelos reaction ..

"Would he have said the same thing about a black nba players contract?"

Essentially they were implying racial tension in the locker room and that some of the players were upset that lin was getting celeb status for those few weeks...


Yes it's ridiculous. No, it's not "racial tension" it's just jealousy. Asia is a growth market for the NBA and the Rockets know first hand how much $$ they can get by having a star player that can be connected to the fan base in China.

So they over-paid for Lin. Teams over-pay for players with special marketing potential all the time. The Knicks over-paid for Carmello because of the New York connection.
 
2012-07-16 02:31:51 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Toronto radio station was asking this question this morning based on carmelos reaction ..

"Would he have said the same thing about a black nba players contract?"

Essentially they were implying racial tension in the locker room and that some of the players were upset that lin was getting celeb status for those few weeks...


Considering the way they were playing before Lin was brought in, they shouldn't whine about jackshiat.
 
2012-07-16 02:32:49 PM  

elguerodiablo: The Knicks have been ridiculous. I'm going to enjoy watching the Nets take over New York.


I might just divorce myself from the Knicks and switch my allegiances to the Nets. Just because I hate Jim Dolan.
 
2012-07-16 02:35:54 PM  
I dont know what the hell the Rockets are smoking, but the Omer Asik contract offer is just as ridiculous. The Bulls better not match that shiat.
 
2012-07-16 02:37:19 PM  

cefm: So they over-paid for Lin. Teams over-pay for players with special marketing potential all the time. The Knicks over-paid for Carmello because of the New York connection.


Heh; watch the butthurt occur when someone points this one out.\

Dolan over-payed with both the trade and the contract to get 'Melo. Dolan has to hope and pray that the Knicks become the second-coming of the Miami Heat if they don't sign Lin.
 
2012-07-16 02:39:11 PM  
Lin was the 3rd best in PPG scored on Iso plays in the league amongst qualifying players. Near the top in pull up FG% as well at 47% Kid was a 2-Guard in HS and most of Harvard.

The amount of progress he's made as a converted PG in such a short time is tremendous and barring his knees giving out from playing 40 minutes a night in a compressed season where he wasn't conditioned to that at all...

Let's just say I think he's going to be a pretty damn good player. I've thought so since the Mavs summer league. The dude just gets to the basket and converts, whatever way he can.

I'd argue he's just pissy that Lin is a better scoring threat than he is at this point.
 
2012-07-16 02:40:21 PM  

Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.


You're absolutely right about that.
 
2012-07-16 02:41:26 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.


Agreed. The offers that have been made this off season are out of control.
 
2012-07-16 02:43:54 PM  

Levarien: I dislike Melo. I dislike how the Knicks have spent their money so far, and this Lin situation is a result of it. However, they can't pay $58,000,000 for one year (the third year) of Jeremy Lin. The knicks have been kings of sending good money after bad, and for once they seem ready not to do that.


Where did you get that number? The total contract was like $25 million, but the third year comprised $15 million of it. That was the killer for the Knicks.
 
2012-07-16 02:45:06 PM  
Don't worry 'Melo. You'll still get your money, all the attention, except when you're losing, then everyone should get it, and Stephen A. Smith will slob your knob on national TV every night. Don't worry about winning, you've got it all.
 
2012-07-16 02:46:59 PM  

k4mi: Levarien: I dislike Melo. I dislike how the Knicks have spent their money so far, and this Lin situation is a result of it. However, they can't pay $58,000,000 for one year (the third year) of Jeremy Lin. The knicks have been kings of sending good money after bad, and for once they seem ready not to do that.

Where did you get that number? The total contract was like $25 million, but the third year comprised $15 million of it. That was the killer for the Knicks.


IIRC it's the "tax levies" the Knicks would pay for going over the salary cap. Something like for every dollar you go over, it's $1.75 in "tax" you have to pay.
 
2012-07-16 02:48:24 PM  

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.

Agreed. The offers that have been made this off season are out of control.


That's ok. The 2011 NBA Lockout will fix all these systemic problems.

wait...
 
2012-07-16 02:53:10 PM  

PowerSlacker: Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.

Agreed. The offers that have been made this off season are out of control.

That's ok. The 2011 NBA Lockout will fix all these systemic problems.

wait...


Simmons hit on Dolan exactly: if Woodson had stunk the joint up, he would've had to ask Phil Jackson to come coach them. Since Jackson is way too smart for Dolan, he would've said no.

Jim Dolan is the Vince McMahon of the NBA: Only hires people that are a) dumber than he is and/or b) won't raise a peep to him on his dumb ideas because doing so either puts you in the doghouse or gets you fired.
 
2012-07-16 02:56:58 PM  
Is Carmelo like Bizarro Lebron or what?

Carmelo is supposed to be some elite wing player (ya a small forward that can score but do nothing else...such a rarity in the NBA), he shiat all over the team that drafted him way worse than Lebron did, his former team actually got better without him, and he's never won squat in the NBA.

Yet there are not pages after pages of butthurt on Fark about Carmelo not being clutch, or quitting on his team, or forcing Denver to trade him to a better market. He's got all the worst aspects of Lebron with none of the success.
 
2012-07-16 03:03:08 PM  

js34603: Yet there are not pages after pages of butthurt on Fark about Carmelo not being clutch, or quitting on his team


Because he's a non factor compared to LeBron, that's why. No one expects shiat out of Melo at this point.
 
2012-07-16 03:11:51 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.


From all reports, Lin was happy to sign a good deal* with the Knicks.

Turns out Dolan isn't a very good basketball mind. I really never saw that coming.

*The numbers floating around are 4 years at $7MM per. MSG's market cap went up $117MM after they came to terms with Time Warner in February.
 
2012-07-16 03:19:50 PM  

k4mi: Where did you get that number? The total contract was like $25 million, but the third year comprised $15 million of it. That was the killer for the Knicks.


Whoever wrote the NBA salary cap & luxury tax rules was drunk and liked to fark with people. The Rockets $25M offer, at $5m/$5m/$15m, spreads evenly against their cap at $8.3m/yr. The Knicks matching offer would count against their cap at what the offer was, so $5m/$5m/$15m over the next three years. For teams over the cap, the luxury tax increases as your amount over the cap increases AND as you spend too many years over the cap. The Knicks typically spend like sailors on leave so they get burned as repeat offenders, AND they get burned especially hard by the fact that the third year counts against their cap as the $15m it is rather than being distributed evenly as for some reason the Rockets are allowed to do. Long story short, depending on exactly where the Knicks are with respect to the cap after all their other contracts are accounted for the $15M to Lin will come with a luxury tax bill that could be $40M+ attached for the third year of the contract alone.

Dolan is a big spender but not that big.

Also, I think a lot of the endorsement money from jerseys etc. is distributed amongst the league, and the Knicks don't have much trouble selling MSG tickets even when they're bad, so the marketing boost of having Lin on the team is probably overstated.
 
2012-07-16 03:22:08 PM  

you have pee hands: The Rockets $25M offer, at $5m/$5m/$15m, spreads evenly against their cap at $8.3m/yr. The Knicks matching offer would count against their cap at what the offer was, so $5m/$5m/$15m over the next three years.


Incidentally the Rockets made the same type of offer to Omer Asik of all people.
 
2012-07-16 03:36:17 PM  

Moopy Mac: PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.

From all reports, Lin was happy to sign a good deal* with the Knicks.

Turns out Dolan isn't a very good basketball mind. I really never saw that coming.


Two words: Isiah. Thomas.

*The numbers floating around are 4 years at $7MM per. MSG's market cap went up $117MM after they came to terms with Time Warner in February.

So if that moron had, one minute after the FA period started, sent this offer to Lin's agent and it was turned down, he'd be in the right here.

Of course, this is Jim Dolan we're talking about here...so he promptly farked that chicken and let Houston offer Lin a crazy deal.

What. A. Farking. Moron. I'm starting to believe Deron Williams assertion that the Nets are NY's #1 team now.
 
2012-07-16 03:38:38 PM  
"It's not up to me," Anthony said with a laugh

so shut the fark up already!
 
2012-07-16 03:39:44 PM  

you have pee hands: k4mi: Where did you get that number? The total contract was like $25 million, but the third year comprised $15 million of it. That was the killer for the Knicks.

Whoever wrote the NBA salary cap & luxury tax rules was drunk and liked to fark with people. The Rockets $25M offer, at $5m/$5m/$15m, spreads evenly against their cap at $8.3m/yr. The Knicks matching offer would count against their cap at what the offer was, so $5m/$5m/$15m over the next three years. For teams over the cap, the luxury tax increases as your amount over the cap increases AND as you spend too many years over the cap. The Knicks typically spend like sailors on leave so they get burned as repeat offenders, AND they get burned especially hard by the fact that the third year counts against their cap as the $15m it is rather than being distributed evenly as for some reason the Rockets are allowed to do. Long story short, depending on exactly where the Knicks are with respect to the cap after all their other contracts are accounted for the $15M to Lin will come with a luxury tax bill that could be $40M+ attached for the third year of the contract alone.

Dolan is a big spender but not that big.

Also, I think a lot of the endorsement money from jerseys etc. is distributed amongst the league, and the Knicks don't have much trouble selling MSG tickets even when they're bad, so the marketing boost of having Lin on the team is probably overstated.


The TV ratings for MSG weren't overstated (nor was the pressure Linsanity put on TW). Lin made MSG a tremendous amount of money and there is a decent chance he would have continued to do so going forward. But Dolan didn't understand the salary cap repercussions of matching offers to restricted Free Agents, and he blew the negotiations. He screwed up both financially and performance-wise, which shouldn't be a surprise given the last decade.
 
2012-07-16 03:40:43 PM  
Carmelo is just butthurt that every basketball article in New York isn't about him currently. Notice how Lin's production went down the second Carmelo came back from injury. Maybe that has something to do with Carmelo bringing the ball up the court, dribbling around for 20 seconds and the heaving up a bad shot. Knicks went from being dynamic to 4 guys standing around waiting for the Carmelo fade-away.

I think Lin is a solid player that will help any team he's on win. Carmelo, not so much.
 
2012-07-16 03:43:53 PM  

Moopy Mac: The TV ratings for MSG weren't overstated (nor was the pressure Linsanity put on TW). Lin made MSG a tremendous amount of money and there is a decent chance he would have continued to do so going forward. But Dolan didn't understand the salary cap repercussions of matching offers to restricted Free Agents, and he blew the negotiations. He screwed up both financially and performance-wise, which shouldn't be a surprise given the last decade.


Yeah; I mean, I really shouldn't be so shocked that he screwed this up. I was assuming he'd make Lin a "shut up and take my money!" deal and Lin would be set for life.

Then again I assumed the Yanks would sweep the Sox in 2004.
 
2012-07-16 03:45:26 PM  
Came here for another epic Kermit Washington burn reference. Leaving disappointed.
 
2012-07-16 03:55:58 PM  

Moopy Mac: The TV ratings for MSG weren't overstated (nor was the pressure Linsanity put on TW). Lin made MSG a tremendous amount of money and there is a decent chance he would have continued to do so going forward. But Dolan didn't understand the salary cap repercussions of matching offers to restricted Free Agents, and he blew the negotiations. He screwed up both financially and performance-wise, which shouldn't be a surprise given the last decade.


I would agree with this. Jeremy Lin is a slam dunk net positive for any team he's on. He won't even need to play like a superstar to have his jersey outsell those of much better players.
 
2012-07-16 04:10:38 PM  
I've never been a huge Melo fan, but Melo has played for many years, is one of the league's best iso scorers (one fo the best ever even), has lead a team to conference finals, and in general is a proven commodity and veteran.

Do not think any of his contracts have been "ridiculous" at all.
 
2012-07-16 04:13:07 PM  

elguerodiablo: The Knicks have been ridiculous. I'm going to enjoy watching the Nets take over New York.


The Knicks have a long hsitory of ridiculousness, but since the Nets botched the Howard deal I really doubt they are going to take over NYC with past their 30s Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace eating up a ton of money and Lopez having a max contract.
 
2012-07-16 04:14:17 PM  

Nabb1: As much as I dislike Carmelo Anthony, he's right about that contract being ridiculous.


In what context?

Because Lin is unproven? This is probably the most legit argument, but it's an irrelevant one. Lin will not be a net minus to Dolan's wallet even if they paid him $20 million/year to sit on the bench. He has too many fans, too much marketing appeal. Lin gives any team he plays for a monopoly on the Asian market. Melo may not like that, but hey, this is a business. With the money side of the issue not a concern, who cares even if he is the worst PG in the league? The Knicks can afford him -- any team can, really. And even if the luxury tax impact is backloaded, the market revenue is frontloaded. So, this argument would be Dolan cutting his nose off to spite his face.

Because Lin would be overpaid? This would really only apply to one year, and it would be quite remarkable for Dolan to draw the line here and now after years and years of overspending.

Because he'd make more than some veterans? Honestly, why would Lin's agent give a rat's ass what someone else is paid? The Knicks had a chance to avoid this situation in the first place by giving Lin an offer he'd be happy with, and they blew it. They did match Houston's first offer, but Business 101 is that a contract is just paper until it's signed. It's rather disingenuous for a sports team to pretend to be naive about contract negotiations.

Note I'm not even making any arguments about how good Lin is or what the team owes him. I understand this is a business, but none of the "business" reasons cited makes a lick of sense, and Melo is the last person who should be opening his stupid mouth about contracts. The only real reason I can see why Dolan might let Lin leave is shockingly retarded: He's going to let Lin walk out of spite. He doesn't like that Lin didn't deliberately seek to be underpaid or sign the first offer. He's not even looking at the money equation because as stated above, it's obvious it's not a concern for a business. Dolan was outsmarted by a Harvard grad, and he just doesn't like it.

Dolan's not being smart or thrifty or even sane; he's being a pants-on-head retarded egomaniac. Yeah Lin might be overpaid if he was any race BUT Asian, but it's not like a businessman gives a shiat about inequality when they can milk a cash cow.
 
2012-07-16 04:16:53 PM  

js34603: Carmelo is supposed to be some elite wing player (ya a small forward that can score but do nothing else...such a rarity in the NBA), he shiat all over the team that drafted him way worse than Lebron did, his former team actually got better without him, and he's never won squat in the NBA.


I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. How did Melo shiat all over his team worse than LeBron? What does that mean?

Melo worked to get the Nuggets a lot in return for him. He did the exact opposite of LeBron, who abandoned them for nothing. That's the REASON the nuggets stayed decent after he left, because he helped them get a bunch of good pieces back in a trade.

If anything, blame Melo for helping the Nuggets out TOO much, and thus hurting the Knicks. Melo could have probably forced himself over and let the Knicks keep some of the trade pieces (or just joined in free agency)
 
2012-07-16 04:17:55 PM  
I hate how NBA players control the league. They biatch and moan about everything.

Fark'em all.
 
2012-07-16 04:22:12 PM  

k4mi: Levarien: I dislike Melo. I dislike how the Knicks have spent their money so far, and this Lin situation is a result of it. However, they can't pay $58,000,000 for one year (the third year) of Jeremy Lin. The knicks have been kings of sending good money after bad, and for once they seem ready not to do that.

Where did you get that number? The total contract was like $25 million, but the third year comprised $15 million of it. That was the killer for the Knicks.


The luxury tax applies. In year three, each 5 million increment is taxed at a progressively higher rate.

1st 5 million at 2.5:1 ratio
2nd 5 million at 2.75:1 ratio
3rd 5 million at 3.5:1 ratio

comes to 58 million and change for year 3 alone.
 
2012-07-16 04:23:06 PM  

tortilla burger: I would agree with this. Jeremy Lin is a slam dunk net positive for any team he's on. He won't even need to play like a superstar to have his jersey outsell those of much better players.


I'm not sure about this. I like Lin's game and think he could be pretty good. He also could be pretty mediocre and flash in the pan.

Any team (which now means Rockets or Knicks) that starts this year with Lin will get a lot of money for it. But if Lin struggles and ends up getting pushed down the bench and winds up a mediocre player, you really think he will still have legions of fans?

I think the idea is nuts. Linsanity was Linsanity because he was winning (and winning in NYC). If he ends up a nobody player in some other market, no one is going to be tossing tons of endorsements at him a few years from now.

Yi Jianlian is actually from China, not just Chinese American, but have his recent teams had some gigantic Asian market boost from having him?
 
2012-07-16 04:25:57 PM  

Levarien: comes to 58 million and change for year 3 alone.


although to be fair, this assumes the Knicks wouldn't be unable to unload one of these contracts before that time. If the Knicks team isn't winning, they should be able to move Amare or Chandler or Lin.

Knicks should take the gamble. Lin likely won't get you a championship, but Felton DEFINITELY won't.
 
2012-07-16 04:27:54 PM  

Losting: I hate how NBA players control the league. They biatch and moan about everything.


Yeah I HATE it when the players control the league. Personally, I watch sports for the thrill of seeing how billionaire owners paying people to manage their teams can compete with each other. Why shoudl the players even get paid? The owners are the REAL heroes.
 
2012-07-16 04:27:57 PM  

Bill Frist: Yi Jianlian is actually from China, not just Chinese American, but have his recent teams had some gigantic Asian market boost from having him?


Maybe because he doesn't even get playing time and he isn't good.
 
2012-07-16 04:28:57 PM  

Bill Frist: Levarien: comes to 58 million and change for year 3 alone.

although to be fair, this assumes the Knicks wouldn't be unable to unload one of these contracts before that time. If the Knicks team isn't winning, they should be able to move Amare or Chandler or Lin.

Knicks should take the gamble. Lin likely won't get you a championship, but Felton DEFINITELY won't.


True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.
 
2012-07-16 04:30:05 PM  

TheJoe03: Bill Frist: Yi Jianlian is actually from China, not just Chinese American, but have his recent teams had some gigantic Asian market boost from having him?

Maybe because he doesn't even get playing time and he isn't good.


Exactly. So, as per the rest of my post, if Lin turns out to not be that good and loses playing time Linsanity marketing is hardly some slam dunk. I like Lin though, not saying he will turn out that way. But 25 games is a small sample to assume he will be a huge marketing boost in like year 3 of this contract.
 
2012-07-16 04:31:44 PM  

Levarien: True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.


Amare's unmovable and without Chandler their defense is awful. They could try to move Melo but he'd throw a shiatfit if he weren't in New York so I don't know if anyone would want to trade for him either.

I think they used their amnesty already, too.
 
2012-07-16 04:33:18 PM  

Levarien: True. However, Melo, Stoudamire, Chandler alone exceed the salary cap in year 3.


Also true, but what's the point of getting melo and amare and chandler if you aren't going to try to win. Again, i'm not saying Lin gets them a championship. But there is a chance at least with Lin. No chance with Felton.

I mean, unless the Knicks have some plan to get Paul or something, you are committing to being mediocre with Felton.
 
2012-07-16 04:34:48 PM  

EvilMonkeyBoy: The amount of progress he's made as a converted PG in such a short time is tremendous and barring his knees giving out from playing 40 minutes a night in a compressed season where he wasn't conditioned to that at all...


You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Bill Frist: Melo has played for many years, is one of the league's best iso scorers (one fo the best ever even)


Melo is very talented, but only a portion of that talent translates into on-court production. It's not hard to find a HoF forward that beats him in every meaningful statistic, if not ALL of them. As a player he sits firmly in that gray area between "good" and "great". Which would be fine if he didn't act like he's already great.
 
2012-07-16 04:38:07 PM  

dragonchild: Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.


Stupid, yes. But David Stern's done much worse...
 
2012-07-16 04:41:28 PM  

dragonchild: Bill Frist: Melo has played for many years, is one of the league's best iso scorers (one fo the best ever even)

Melo is very talented, but only a portion of that talent translates into on-court production. It's not hard to find a HoF forward that beats him in every meaningful statistic, if not ALL of them. As a player he sits firmly in that gray area between "good" and "great". Which would be fine if he didn't act like he's already great.


I don't thin you need to defend melo or think that he is a HOF player or whatever to think that his contracts have not been "ridiculous."

With the way the CBA is, many worse players (and less marketable players) than him get max contract deals.
 
2012-07-16 04:44:02 PM  

dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.


Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.
 
2012-07-16 04:47:09 PM  

Bill Frist: So, as per the rest of my post, if Lin turns out to not be that good and loses playing time Linsanity marketing is hardly some slam dunk. I like Lin though, not saying he will turn out that way. But 25 games is a small sample to assume he will be a huge marketing boost in like year 3 of this contract.


This isn't baseball; you don't need 400-game samples to make meaningful conclusions. Watch his game or something. Lin can be shut down, but this was generally accomplished by elite defensive teams playing with playoff intensity. Miami, Boston and Philly shut him down, but to be fair, they shut everyone down. They make EVERY team they play look worse. He's mortal, definitely not great (you have to beat great players to be great yourself), but hardly a "flash in the pan". His key assets -- court vision & decision making -- aren't going to get any worse and at 23 he's got a ways before age catches up to him. Honestly, people are expecting a player this young, in the most cerebral position in basketball, to get worse?

Yes he might wind up playing below his contract value but few players come with built-in market appeal as a proxy insurance policy. No there are no guarantees but it's stupid to suddenly be cautious with a young player, THIS player, when the marketing side has so many more upsides. About the only thing legitimately working against Lin should be his knee injury and that's barely being discussed.
 
2012-07-16 04:51:30 PM  
dragonchild:

believe it or not, this wouldn't be the first time a player burst out of nowhere for a really hot streak, then ended up mediocore. Remember Flip Murray?

Anyway, I agree the Knicks should match for various reasons I've said. And I personally think that Lin will be a good player, probably a starting PG. But I dont' think his "built in marketability" will last if he ends up not being very good, especially if he is on a mediocore team. And there definitely is a possibility he won't be that special
 
2012-07-16 04:56:10 PM  
givemetherock.com
 
2012-07-16 04:56:56 PM  
First the 1994 Championship and now a starting PG. Thanks, New York! We didn't get YOU anything...
 
2012-07-16 05:19:26 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: First the 1994 Championship and now a starting PG. Thanks, New York! We didn't get YOU anything...


Hey, I credit Morey (sp) for putting the Knicks over a barrel. Dolan is the jagoff in this deal.
 
2012-07-16 05:37:19 PM  

Bill Frist: this wouldn't be the first time a player burst out of nowhere for a really hot streak, then ended up mediocore


That's where his play is relevant. If Lin got "hot" by torching bad teams at his teammates' expense, that's one thing, but he turned Steve Novak from a one-trick pony to a legitimate threat and spent much time in blowouts on the bench. That doesn't make him phenomenal (it's a no-brainer to rest your starters in a blowout) but I don't see any obvious evidence his stats are inflated.

Bill Frist: I dont' think his "built in marketability" will last if he ends up not being very good, especially if he is on a mediocore team.


That's a risk any team that signs him will have to take. My only point is, in the absence of a sure thing, Lin has so many upsides it's facepalm-inducing that there'd be any discussion about risk. He's not old, his market value isn't directly tied to his stats, he isn't a head case, he isn't in legal trouble, he's coming off a successful season (as opposed to, you know, a SHIATTY ONE). . . I get this is a business but at some point this discussion stops being rational and is reduced to spite and quibbling.
 
2012-07-16 05:52:31 PM  
I wonder what Carmelo's thoughts are on the $65MM his buddy Amare will be making over the next 3 years.

A 6'10" power forward whose game is built around athleticism who is no longer athletic.
 
2012-07-16 06:25:11 PM  

you have pee hands: dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.


[citation needed]
 
2012-07-16 07:05:02 PM  

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: Rwa2play: In any case, the Knicks should've signed him to some kind of contract instead of letting the market dictate to the Knicks what Lin's price was.

You're absolutely right about that.

Agreed. The offers that have been made this off season are out of control.


Out of control contracts? Preposterous. The lockout fixed that!

/Asik and Batum are neck and neck in the "you gotta be farking kidding me" contract sweepstakes
 
2012-07-16 10:25:28 PM  

PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: dragonchild: You can't condition knee wear. Look at what last season did to Iman Shumpert, Baron Davis and Derrick Rose. It's the ultimate limiting factor of a basketball player's career. That season overworked everyone. Compressing the season was probably the stupidest decision in NBA history.

Those were bad luck. The injury rate last year was normal.

[citation needed]


There's something incredibly lazy about a [citation needed] post, especially when (1) I'm refuting a claim for which no evidence has been presented and (2) it's really easy to find the answer yourself if you've ever used a search engine.

But here you go. I'm sure there's plenty more!
 
2012-07-16 11:08:29 PM  
It must be tough for an Asian player to be naked in a NBA lockerroom.
 
2012-07-16 11:30:57 PM  
I don't get why people are shiatting on the Rockets giving Asik 5m/5m/15m which actually translates to a little over 8m for three seasons. Asik is a great defender (statistically something like 95th percentile in pick and roll defense by points allowed per possession) and plays hard. 8m for a center that does that and can protect the rim is a reasonable contract.

Criticism of offering Lin that much is warranted; however, the Rockets have been basically the best team in the NBA at identifying and developing relatively unheard of PGs over the past 3-4 seasons. I'll give them a pass on this one if they think Lin can pass muster.

Also the Knicks are a terribly run franchise and James Dolan should feel bad at night before he goes to sleep.
 
2012-07-17 12:43:22 AM  

logggur: Criticism of offering Lin that much is warranted; however, the Rockets have been basically the best team in the NBA at identifying and developing relatively unheard of PGs over the past 3-4 seasons. I'll give them a pass on this one if they think Lin can pass muster.


You do realize they had lin on the roster and cut him, right? Not sure how great they are at identifying....

Lowry was a 6 year vet when he finally had a good season. He'd already been in Houston for 2 seasons doing nothing.

Dragic was stuck behind Nash, but I think people knew he was good before Rockets started starting him
 
2012-07-17 09:26:13 AM  

logggur: I don't get why people are shiatting on the Rockets giving Asik 5m/5m/15m which actually translates to a little over 8m for three seasons. Asik is a great defender (statistically something like 95th percentile in pick and roll defense by points allowed per possession) and plays hard. 8m for a center that does that and can protect the rim is a reasonable contract.


He's got stone hands and can't shoot at all. Unless you're a Ben Wallace level defender & rebounder that's a lot of money for a guy who's completely useless on offense.
 
2012-07-17 07:46:24 PM  

mc_madness: It must be tough for an Asian player to be naked in a NBA lockerroom.


I think we found Jason Whitlock's Fark handle. ^_^
 
2012-07-18 05:27:15 PM  

Bill Frist: Losting: I hate how NBA players control the league. They biatch and moan about everything.


Yeah I HATE it when the players control the league. Personally, I watch sports for the thrill of seeing how billionaire owners paying people to manage their teams can compete with each other. Why shoudl the players even get paid? The owners are the REAL heroes.


^^^THIS!
 
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