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2012-07-16 02:59:33 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DS9 had some of its best episodes in its first season, including "Duet"


A few, a very few, and also some of its worst. For the most part it took DS9, as well as TNG about 2 seasons to really find their footing. S1 and 2 of TNG is some of the worst of Trek.
 
2012-07-16 03:00:38 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: That's what I'm talking about....

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The Stealth Hippopotamus: But Enterprise started out so well, it had such promise!

Enterprise was the only series except for the original that was actually good in its first season. And it was good in its last season. Except the finale.

DS9 had some of its best episodes in its first season, including "Duet"


Ok, I'll give you that and the pilot but most of them were pretty bad. But it turned out to be the best series, so I'm just saying it took a while to get there.
 
2012-07-16 03:07:37 PM  
Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.
 
2012-07-16 03:09:24 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: That's what I'm talking about....

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The Stealth Hippopotamus: But Enterprise started out so well, it had such promise!

Enterprise was the only series except for the original that was actually good in its first season. And it was good in its last season. Except the finale.

DS9 had some of its best episodes in its first season, including "Duet"


They really didnt shine until much later on. Sure they had some good episodes in the first season, but comparing "Duet" to "The Visitor" and you will easily see the clear cut winner. "Far Beyond the Stars" is probably my second favorite after "The Visitor". I am a grown ass man. I've done two tours in Iraq. I cried out loud when I saw "The Visitor" for the first time three years ago
 
2012-07-16 03:10:55 PM  
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2012-07-16 03:17:12 PM  
I did a rewatch of Voyager a couple years ago and I couldn't believe how long the show kept the Kazon around. It didn't really make sense to me since the ship should have been high-tailing it to Earth continuously, but kept running into the same villains. And they were terrible villains, to boot.

TNG and DS9 both improved incredibly over time, especially after their first season. Voyager really never improved overall. There was a high abundance of terrible episodes throughout the run. The only reliably good ones were Doctor or Seven centric.
 
2012-07-16 03:18:49 PM  

Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.


I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.
 
2012-07-16 03:19:44 PM  

jayhawk88: I think I'd have to go through DS9 first though, and while it was a good show overall...let's face it, that'd be a tough road to travel. "Oh good, another Jake and Nog episode!"


Hey, at least it's better than when RDM remade the show with Cylons...
 
2012-07-16 03:20:20 PM  
Kate Mulgrew was a fantastic voice for Flemeth I might add. No wonder that character seemed kind of familiar
 
2012-07-16 03:21:25 PM  

Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.


I don't get all the fuss over DS9. Talk about frakking boring. Sisco is a terrible Commander, Odo was uninteresting, the Doc was a neurotic version of the EMH (that's saying a lot), Kira is a whiney biotch, Dax is slightly interesting and Sisco's kid was an annoying troll. The fact that it's a space station leads it to having a lot of storylines that are similar. Unfortunately not many are interesting...who cares about the Bejoran's? Just my opinion. When you look forward to an episode about the Ferengi for Star Trek, that's a bad sign.

TNG
Voyager
TOS
DS9
Enterprise
 
2012-07-16 03:21:38 PM  

Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.


DS9 S3-7
TNG S3-7
ENT S3-4
TOS
DS9 S1-2
TNG S1-2
VOY S1-3
ENT s1-2
TAS
VOY S4-7

And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.
 
2012-07-16 03:21:49 PM  

earthwirm: Jeri Ryan is responsible for the Obama presidency.


That's a popular misconception outside of Illinois -- because the name Judy Barr Topinka is unknown outside of the state -- but it is wrong. Jeri Ryan was, if anything, supportive of Jack, and endorsed his senate candidacy even after the stuff came out. She refused to talk about it, trying to limit the embarrassment for their children.

A few prominent Illinois Republicans like former governor Edgar came out supporting him, but state party chairman and then-State Treasurer Topinka lead the calls for his resignation of the nomination, and recruited laughable candidate Alan Keyes to replace him, thus ensuring Obama's victory in November.

Topinka castigated Ryan for going to sex clubs with his own gorgeous actress wife. Meanwhile, Topinka the troll used to shag local Republican gadfly Chester Hornowski. For which one of those two scenes do you think you would need more eye & mind bleach? Ughhhhhhhhhhhh, shudders! Topinka can EABOD.

When Topinka was first the State Treasurer, all six of the elected executive officers were republicans, as was one of the two senators. Under her leadership as party chair, she was the only Republican in state-wide elected office.
 
2012-07-16 03:21:49 PM  

Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Babylon 5
Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.


Signed,
"That Guy"
 
2012-07-16 03:23:20 PM  

ManateeGag: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.


As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.
 
2012-07-16 03:24:01 PM  
I'm just going to go ahead and say this, Voyager's Doctor was my favorite Trek Doctor. Just not as good looking as Gates McFadden.

Voyager as a whole wasn't a bad Trek series. It does have some of the worse Trek episodes (Threshold, 11:59, The Fight), but as long as they weren't about to be let down by a new technology that wasn't going to get them home, the episodes normally weren't that bad.

Where the show made a huge mistake was "Year of Hell". Kes warns them of it, and when they run into those baddies, they act like it's news (even though Kes was send leaving to write the good captain a report about them, I guess she never read it), Red Foreman is the baddie who never called anyone on Voyager a dumbass (and Paris had it coming), and it ends in a giant reset switch. What should have happened was no reset switch and the rest of the season and into the next, the crew limping home, slowly repairing the ship while piss ant aliens who before weren't a threat to Voyager, are now a major threat to the crippled ship.

And the ending, it should have been similar to DS9's ending with it taking place over several episodes and instead of it being the Borg and future Janeway, it should have been that other Caretaker, the female one, who gets them home in the end.
 
2012-07-16 03:25:51 PM  

FirstNationalBastard:
As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.


Does Cochrane still make it with a freaky alien glitter cloud?
Oh please say yes.
 
2012-07-16 03:25:59 PM  

ManateeGag: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.


You're exactly right. Season 1 is especially bad, season 2 is a little better. I resubmit my list as such:

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation Seasons 3-7
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
The Next Generation Seasons 1-2
Enterprise Seasons 1-3

Discuss.
 
2012-07-16 03:27:21 PM  

NeoCortex42: I did a rewatch of Voyager a couple years ago and I couldn't believe how long the show kept the Kazon around. It didn't really make sense to me since the ship should have been high-tailing it to Earth continuously, but kept running into the same villains. And they were terrible villains, to boot.

TNG and DS9 both improved incredibly over time, especially after their first season. Voyager really never improved overall. There was a high abundance of terrible episodes throughout the run. The only reliably good ones were Doctor or Seven centric.


When they brought 7 of 9 on to replace Kes, I could never forgive them. Jennifer Lien was one of the most talented actresses of her time. The writers did not know how to tap into her talent until it was too late. "Warlord", Google it, it is a Voyager episode. This is the only time where Jennifer Lien was given to shine.
 
2012-07-16 03:27:43 PM  

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: That's what I'm talking about....

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The Stealth Hippopotamus: But Enterprise started out so well, it had such promise!

Enterprise was the only series except for the original that was actually good in its first season. And it was good in its last season. Except the finale.

DS9 had some of its best episodes in its first season, including "Duet"

Ok, I'll give you that and the pilot but most of them were pretty bad. But it turned out to be the best series, so I'm just saying it took a while to get there.


The key, I think, was it was the first trek to have a major arc-based story telling. You had a good mix of stand alone episodes and overarc episodes, that made you feel like time was truly passing in that universe, and characters growing. You didn't get that in next gen, nor voyager later on.
 
2012-07-16 03:27:59 PM  

phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9. Talk about frakking boring. Sisco is a terrible Commander, Odo was uninteresting, the Doc was a neurotic version of the EMH (that's saying a lot), Kira is a whiney biotch, Dax is slightly interesting and Sisco's kid was an annoying troll. The fact that it's a space station leads it to having a lot of storylines that are similar. Unfortunately not many are interesting...who cares about the Bejoran's? Just my opinion. When you look forward to an episode about the Ferengi for Star Trek, that's a bad sign.


Well firstly it had an actual story arc, unlike the rest of the series. It wasn't just them meeting a new alien every week. And it showed humans as we actually are, not the perfect beings that Roddenberry wanted to portray but real people. It had real character interaction. And as a visual FX guy, I have to say that it had some awesome space battle scenes. Oh and "In the Pale Moonlight".
 
2012-07-16 03:28:08 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.


I never thought of it that way. considering that, it makes for a slightly better show.
 
2012-07-16 03:28:43 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Babylon 5
Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

Signed,
"That Guy"



Never got into that show, mainly because they never went anywhere. What's the point of being in space if you don't go anywhere?

Deep space 9 worked because of a conveniently placed worm hole that went somewhere.
 
2012-07-16 03:29:07 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: FirstNationalBastard:
As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.

Does Cochrane still make it with a freaky alien glitter cloud?
Oh please say yes.


Sorry, in the NuTrek universe, it's a Freaky Alien Lens Flare cloud.
 
2012-07-16 03:30:11 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.


Four words: These are the Voyages...
 
2012-07-16 03:30:20 PM  

ManateeGag: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.


Enterprise did a hell of a job fleshing out the Andorians who have been around since TOS. Shran was a great character and it was planned that he would become an Enterprise crew member if the show hadn't been cancelled.

Enterprise gets a lot of flack but it was actually a great entry in Trek. As trivial as it is I honestly believe that if the show runners hadn't chosen that godawful theme song, perceptions of the show would have differed from the start. *shrug*
 
2012-07-16 03:31:38 PM  

phimuskapsi: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I don't get all the fuss over DS9. Talk about frakking boring. Sisco is a terrible Commander, Odo was uninteresting, the Doc was a neurotic version of the EMH (that's saying a lot), Kira is a whiney biotch, Dax is slightly interesting and Sisco's kid was an annoying troll. The fact that it's a space station leads it to having a lot of storylines that are similar. Unfortunately not many are interesting...who cares about the Bejoran's? Just my opinion. When you look forward to an episode about the Ferengi for Star Trek, that's a bad sign.

TNG
Voyager
TOS
DS9
Enterprise


THIS, including the rating of each series!

*ducks the phaser fire*
 
2012-07-16 03:32:16 PM  

angrymacface: FirstNationalBastard: As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.

Four words: These are the Voyages...


it had to be a slightly different universe. look how FAT Riker was compared to the regular universe.
 
2012-07-16 03:32:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Babylon 5
Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

Signed,
"That Guy"


Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation Seasons 3-7
Babylon 5 Seasons 2-5
The Original Series
Babylon 5 Season 1
Enterprise Season 4
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
The Next Generation Seasons 1-2
Enterprise Seasons 1-3

IMHO, though I think we're getting off topic here.
 
2012-07-16 03:33:04 PM  

cman: NeoCortex42: I did a rewatch of Voyager a couple years ago and I couldn't believe how long the show kept the Kazon around. It didn't really make sense to me since the ship should have been high-tailing it to Earth continuously, but kept running into the same villains. And they were terrible villains, to boot.

TNG and DS9 both improved incredibly over time, especially after their first season. Voyager really never improved overall. There was a high abundance of terrible episodes throughout the run. The only reliably good ones were Doctor or Seven centric.

When they brought 7 of 9 on to replace Kes, I could never forgive them. Jennifer Lien was one of the most talented actresses of her time. The writers did not know how to tap into her talent until it was too late. "Warlord", Google it, it is a Voyager episode. This is the only time where Jennifer Lien was given to shine.


Lien was a great actress, but the writing for Kes was generally terrible. And we also got that horrible love triangle of Paris-Kes-Neelix. The writers just didn't know what to do with her.
 
2012-07-16 03:33:10 PM  

Titor's Time Machine: ManateeGag: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.

Enterprise did a hell of a job fleshing out the Andorians who have been around since TOS. Shran was a great character and it was planned that he would become an Enterprise crew member if the show hadn't been cancelled.

Enterprise gets a lot of flack but it was actually a great entry in Trek. As trivial as it is I honestly believe that if the show runners hadn't chosen that godawful theme song, perceptions of the show would have differed from the start. *shrug*


I had no problem with the theme song. It was different from the rest of the Treks. It gave the series a different vibe. Scott Bakula, however, pretty much dragged the whole show down from the get go.
 
2012-07-16 03:33:25 PM  

Mugato: phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9. Talk about frakking boring. Sisco is a terrible Commander, Odo was uninteresting, the Doc was a neurotic version of the EMH (that's saying a lot), Kira is a whiney biotch, Dax is slightly interesting and Sisco's kid was an annoying troll. The fact that it's a space station leads it to having a lot of storylines that are similar. Unfortunately not many are interesting...who cares about the Bejoran's? Just my opinion. When you look forward to an episode about the Ferengi for Star Trek, that's a bad sign.

Well firstly it had an actual story arc, unlike the rest of the series. It wasn't just them meeting a new alien every week. And it showed humans as we actually are, not the perfect beings that Roddenberry wanted to portray but real people. It had real character interaction. And as a visual FX guy, I have to say that it had some awesome space battle scenes. Oh and "In the Pale Moonlight".


Speaking of DS9 FX, Rumors coming out of comicon say that Paramount is considering giving DS9 the same HD upgrade TNG is getting.

I can only hope so, because the DVDs were so poorly authored that anything would be an improvement.

Of course, DS9 will need a full CGI upgrade for the final few seasons, since that was the first series to do all their effects and ships in CGI, and the old files are either gone or not good enough for HD.

But, upgrading DS9 will pay off in the long run, since HD TV is here to stay, and even syndication will want HD stuff in the future.
 
2012-07-16 03:34:36 PM  

Cyno01: And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.


I don't get the hate for Trek 3. It had the first appearance of the "new" Klingon, the Klingon that weren't just communists. It had the first appearance of the Klingon War Bird, which would appear in about every movie and TNG. The big boobed Klingon girl, Kirk's pussy son gets killed, Kirk steals the Enterprise, Kirk blows up the Enterprise, what's not to like?
 
2012-07-16 03:35:33 PM  

angrymacface: FirstNationalBastard: As much as I hate Star Trek: Lens Flare, you have to look at Enterprise as the sequel to that franchose, not as part of the regular Star Trek universe.

Everything changed after First Contact. Zefram Cochrane and Earth knew about the future, The Borg, there may have been future or Borg tech left laying around... So, Enterprise took place in an alternate universe where things happened differently, with side effects like ships from the 2150s were more advanced than TOS ships, or wars happening that didn't originally happen.

Four words: These are the Voyages...


Huh?

I'm sorry, the final episode of Enterprise was that two parter in the Mirror Universe. There was nothing after that.

Sure, I heard something about how they wanted to do a sequel to the TNG Episode "The Pegasus", but I don't know if that happened or not.
 
2012-07-16 03:36:51 PM  

NeoCortex42: cman: NeoCortex42: I did a rewatch of Voyager a couple years ago and I couldn't believe how long the show kept the Kazon around. It didn't really make sense to me since the ship should have been high-tailing it to Earth continuously, but kept running into the same villains. And they were terrible villains, to boot.

TNG and DS9 both improved incredibly over time, especially after their first season. Voyager really never improved overall. There was a high abundance of terrible episodes throughout the run. The only reliably good ones were Doctor or Seven centric.

When they brought 7 of 9 on to replace Kes, I could never forgive them. Jennifer Lien was one of the most talented actresses of her time. The writers did not know how to tap into her talent until it was too late. "Warlord", Google it, it is a Voyager episode. This is the only time where Jennifer Lien was given to shine.

Lien was a great actress, but the writing for Kes was generally terrible. And we also got that horrible love triangle of Paris-Kes-Neelix. The writers just didn't know what to do with her.


Captain Janeway was the Joe Paterno of Starfleet... letting all these people fark around with a two-year-old and doing nothing about it...
 
2012-07-16 03:38:05 PM  

Cyno01: DS9 S3-7
TNG S3-7
ENT S3-4
TOS
DS9 S1-2
TNG S1-2
VOY S1-3
ENT s1-2
TAS
VOY S4-7

And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.


That's a pretty good list. I wanted to comment that Star Trek Nemesis was too far up in your ranking, but then I looked at which ones you listed after it, and I got sad instead.
 
2012-07-16 03:38:43 PM  

Titor's Time Machine: ManateeGag: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

I think you need to cut up next Gen. the first 2 seasons don't compare to the middle 4 and the last one is hit or miss. some of them seem phoned in.

My main problem with Enterprise was trying to do this huge war that we've never heard of in any other series. there was plenty history to deal with without adding stuff that no one else ever talked about. Having a new race be a new character was weak too. I liked some of the Phlox stuff, but I could have done with him being a Benzite or something else that we've seen but don't really know anything about. They could have really filled in a lot about an unfamiliar race.

Enterprise did a hell of a job fleshing out the Andorians who have been around since TOS. Shran was a great character and it was planned that he would become an Enterprise crew member if the show hadn't been cancelled.



I always felt that if it was written better and had a more flashed out 'temporal cold war' that a lot of the odd historical discrepancies could have been written away as a 'time reset' at the story's climax. Similar to Voyager's 'year in hell'.

I would have been down for that. It's an under appreciated show that did try a lot of fun stuff.
 
2012-07-16 03:41:46 PM  

BafflerMeal: I would have been down for that. It's an under appreciated show that did try a lot of fun stuff.


I probably shouldn't mention "Vulcan's invent velcro", that would probably cause someone to have a coronary.
 
2012-07-16 03:42:03 PM  

phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9.


DS9's "arc" story lines (Bajor's struggles with independence and the Maquis, Sisko's role as Emissary, the Dominion War/Founders, etc) are generally well done and interesting. But the filler episodes on the show were pretty sub-par.
 
2012-07-16 03:42:54 PM  

Cyno01: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

DS9 S3-7
TNG S3-7
ENT S3-4
TOS
DS9 S1-2
TNG S1-2
VOY S1-3
ENT s1-2
TAS
VOY S4-7

And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.


Sorry, dude, but you cannot put 4 before 8 in the rankings. 8 was SOOOO farking awesome. 8 was the best Trek film hands down in the 90s
 
2012-07-16 03:43:32 PM  

cman: Two Dogs Farking: Star Trek: Voyager was probably one of my favourite Star Trek series growing up; it was the second spin-off of The Next Generation and the one that perfected the balance between action and drama most expertly (in my opinion at least).

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DS9 was the best
Voyager was second worst
Nothing could ever undo the damage Enterprise wrought upon the franchise


The only way you could reboot the series would be to go further out into the future. Trying to wedge a show between original ST and modern times or between ST and TNG would mean playing by too many canon's. But if we get 100-150 years after Voyager we wouldn't have much need for the old canon.

The Federation might be pan-galactic, the Borg twisted from communism to capitalism after absorbing too many Ferengi and opening their transwarp conduits to toll paying ships, Klingon's turned into mercenary shock troops, and a whole mess of new entities. Maybe the occasional Q appearance, but that's sorta tired. Imagine if the Borg were to contract out to become business consultants.
 
2012-07-16 03:43:53 PM  

Nova81426: That's a pretty good list. I wanted to comment that Star Trek Nemesis was too far up in your ranking, but then I looked at which ones you listed after it, and I got sad instead.


If you order them by number of plot holes, 5 would be way ahead of Nemesis which would be way ahead of Generations.
 
2012-07-16 03:44:06 PM  
I really liked what they did with Arik Soong on Enterprise. That is, until his last appearance, when he decided to give up genetics and work on androids instead. He basically says, "I'm going to study androids, and I know I won't get anywhere with it, but with any luck, my grandson will build an android." It was a very stupid nod to continuity.
 
2012-07-16 03:44:50 PM  

Mugato: Cyno01: And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.

I don't get the hate for Trek 3. It had the first appearance of the "new" Klingon, the Klingon that weren't just communists. It had the first appearance of the Klingon War Bird, which would appear in about every movie and TNG. The big boobed Klingon girl, Kirk's pussy son gets killed, Kirk steals the Enterprise, Kirk blows up the Enterprise, what's not to like?


Not to mention, two of those Klingons were played by Christopher Lloyd and John Laroquette.

The only bad original-cast movies were the first one and number five. And even five gets to the point where it's so bad, it's worth watching at least once.
 
2012-07-16 03:45:57 PM  

Nova81426:
Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation Seasons 3-7
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
The Next Generation Seasons 1-2
Enterprise Seasons 1-3

Discuss.


Close, but here's the correct list:

DS9
 
2012-07-16 03:46:19 PM  

jayhawk88: This show keeps popping up on the Netflix streaming page, and every time I'm tempted, especially since I never saw the finale. I think I'd have to go through DS9 first though, and while it was a good show overall...let's face it, that'd be a tough road to travel. "Oh good, another Jake and Nog episode!"


You gave a point in thar DS:9 does have some absolute shaite episodes in between the fairly awesome ones. I just finished and can honestly say that in the grand scheme of things, nog goes through an incredible character arc. Yes the first season is loaded with jake and nog misadventures, but he gains maturity and actually has some emotionally powerful moments. Jake kinda pisses me off a bit, ultimately comes off a bit stunted
 
2012-07-16 03:47:19 PM  

jayhawk88: phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9.

DS9's "arc" story lines (Bajor's struggles with independence and the Maquis, Sisko's role as Emissary, the Dominion War/Founders, etc) are generally well done and interesting. But the filler episodes on the show were pretty sub-par.


Even the filler episodes were often interesting in their own way and nowhere near Voyager's worse.
www.startrek.com
 
2012-07-16 03:49:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: jayhawk88: phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9.

DS9's "arc" story lines (Bajor's struggles with independence and the Maquis, Sisko's role as Emissary, the Dominion War/Founders, etc) are generally well done and interesting. But the filler episodes on the show were pretty sub-par.

Even the filler episodes were often interesting in their own way and nowhere near Voyager's worse.
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This, this, this, THIS

This episode is one of my favs of the season, and usually filler episodes never enter that list.
 
2012-07-16 03:49:55 PM  

cman: Cyno01: Nova81426: Well aware that there are variances in quality within a series, this is my general list from best to worst (also known as "How likely am I to rematch this?")

Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
The Original Series
Enterprise Season 4 (practically a different series)
The one episode of The Animated Series that is in continuity
Voyager
Enterprise Season 1-3

Discuss.

DS9 S3-7
TNG S3-7
ENT S3-4
TOS
DS9 S1-2
TNG S1-2
VOY S1-3
ENT s1-2
TAS
VOY S4-7

And the correct ranking of the movies is, 2, 4, 8, 6, 3, 10, 1, 9, 7, 5.

Sorry, dude, but you cannot put 4 before 8 in the rankings. 8 was SOOOO farking awesome. 8 was the best Trek film hands down in the 90s


Agree with portion in bold, disagree with statement as a whole. Original list is correct.
 
2012-07-16 03:54:10 PM  

NeoCortex42: jayhawk88: phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9.

DS9's "arc" story lines (Bajor's struggles with independence and the Maquis, Sisko's role as Emissary, the Dominion War/Founders, etc) are generally well done and interesting. But the filler episodes on the show were pretty sub-par.

Even the filler episodes were often interesting in their own way and nowhere near Voyager's worse.
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"Death to the opposition!"
 
2012-07-16 03:54:38 PM  

NeoCortex42: jayhawk88: phimuskapsi: I don't get all the fuss over DS9.

DS9's "arc" story lines (Bajor's struggles with independence and the Maquis, Sisko's role as Emissary, the Dominion War/Founders, etc) are generally well done and interesting. But the filler episodes on the show were pretty sub-par.

Even the filler episodes were often interesting in their own way and nowhere near Voyager's worse.
[www.startrek.com image 320x240]


I love that episode.

DEATH TO THE ENEMY
 
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