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(e! Science News)   Chicken vaccines combine to produce new mutant virus. Keep inoculating that chicken guys   (esciencenews.com) divider line 38
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2012-07-16 12:11:35 PM
"Dr Devlin said the combining of live vaccine virus strains outside of the laboratory was previously thought to be highly unlikely."

Seriously? You're inoculating millions of chickens at once, and you thought that it was less likely to happen in the wild than in a lab environment?

I wonder if our live attenuated flu vaccines can do this? I'm sure virologists are formulating hypotheses and writing up some grant proposals for researching this. I hope so, if only to fend off the incoming wave of anti-vax derp.
 
2012-07-16 02:39:55 PM
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/fark a chicken just one time and.......
 
2012-07-16 02:45:16 PM
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2012-07-16 02:47:18 PM
 
2012-07-16 02:49:52 PM
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Coo Coo Ca Cha! Coo Coo Ca Cha!
 
2012-07-16 02:53:17 PM
It's tenderizing, not inoculating.
 
2012-07-16 02:55:50 PM
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/Oblig
 
2012-07-16 03:02:35 PM

angry_scientist: Perfectly appropriate


RIP Phil you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-07-16 03:16:35 PM
Given that the vaccination strategies for livestock (of any sort) and humans are significantly different, this shouldn't really be a concern.

Unless you're looking for a reason to panic. In that case, go wild.

/Not that you needed permission or anything
 
2012-07-16 03:18:18 PM
And just why in the hell are they using LIVE viruses ,what a farking stupid bunch of scientists
it's supposed to be dead virusus you stupid aussies
 
2012-07-16 03:18:30 PM
Neither the ILT virus or the new strains can be transmitted to humans or other animals, and do not pose a food safety risk ...YET
 
2012-07-16 03:19:58 PM
I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.
 
2012-07-16 03:20:36 PM
The name of the magazine 'Science' is highlighted in yellow, very subtly. I hardly noticed, but my brain nagged me to focus on it. Subliminal advertising at its best

/sneaky Bastids
//Get outta my head!
 
2012-07-16 03:25:17 PM
Neither the ILT virus or the new strains can be transmitted to humans or other animals, and do not pose a food safety risk.

This is how those movies ALWAYS start...
 
2012-07-16 03:37:41 PM
What gets me is that we're using live weakened viruses for livestock vaccines. The advantage for live weakened-virus based vaccines is that the immunity lasts longer.

But we eat the livestock. They don't exactly grow old. Even laying hens are slaughtered at 2 years for eating.

Someone explain this to me.
 
2012-07-16 03:54:16 PM

Mikeyworld: The name of the magazine 'Science' is highlighted in yellow, very subtly. I hardly noticed, but my brain nagged me to focus on it. Subliminal advertising at its best

/sneaky Bastids
//Get outta my head!


SCIENCE!!

/It's poetry in motion......
 
2012-07-16 03:56:05 PM

hstein3: Given that the vaccination strategies for livestock (of any sort) and humans are significantly different, this shouldn't really be a concern.

Unless you're looking for a reason to panic. In that case, go wild.

/Not that you needed permission or anything


Because unintended consequences never happen in human medical protocols ...
 
2012-07-16 04:03:40 PM
This is bullshiat! Everybody knows evolution is just a theory.
 
2012-07-16 04:08:41 PM
Awesome, combine this with the chickens squashed in cages the same size as an adult chicken and this isn't a recipe for a plague at all.

/Yes, I know, science reporting at its best, but those close quarters are going to cause real problems soon.
//Supports the California ban on tightly caged chicken meat, even if the overall Foie gras ban (both humane and inhumane raising) was stupid.
///Don't let the Ag committee pass a law that pisses on the state's rights that they profess to fellate.
 
2012-07-16 04:20:20 PM
The weird thing is this seems similar to the decades old conspiracy theory that AIDS was formed by recombinant action between the sheep virus Visna, and Bovine Leukemia Virus.

I'd thought it unlikely when I first heard of that, because I'd thought that recombinant DNA engineering would take some pretty modern lab work with plasmids and enzymes. Techniques that were not around in the 80's.

Now it seems less kooky
 
2012-07-16 04:32:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: The weird thing is this seems similar to the decades old conspiracy theory that AIDS was formed by recombinant action between the sheep virus Visna, and Bovine Leukemia Virus.

I'd thought it unlikely when I first heard of that, because I'd thought that recombinant DNA engineering would take some pretty modern lab work with plasmids and enzymes. Techniques that were not around in the 80's.

Now it seems less kooky


I thought it was Polio in that conspiracy theory.

And given that people are even now paying to have sex with orangutans(we can all thank Fark for that knowledge), I can not put it out of the realm of possibility that people were doing the same 3 decades ago with other primates.
 
2012-07-16 04:50:57 PM

cs30109: I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.


Are we discussing viruses or mixed-gender dorm rooms at colleges?
 
2012-07-16 05:05:30 PM
I wonder how many different flu vaccines are available in each market at the same time? Would you have to do a lot of driving in the hope of being the percolator of the next great plague?
 
2012-07-16 05:14:29 PM

simon_bar_sinister: I wonder how many different flu vaccines are available in each market at the same time? Would you have to do a lot of driving in the hope of being the percolator of the next great plague?


Doesn't matter. All you have to do is inoculate someone who already has the flu. Maybe an obscure animal influenza that no one usually notices they "had" becoming immune to it.
 
2012-07-16 05:23:41 PM
And this is a surprise? All we need is worry about flu vaccine and some chickens in China.Everything is under control. The next flu pandemic will never happen. The banks may fail, national debt rise but we'll be alright. I think I should look for a rope just in case!
 
2012-07-16 05:29:46 PM

LaraAmber: cs30109: I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.

Are we discussing viruses or mixed-gender dorm rooms at colleges?


Either way.
 
2012-07-16 05:54:40 PM

cs30109: I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.


Actually the chances of this happening are slim at best. There are a lot of examples of this *not* happening. Most biological processes, viruses included, tend to be very specific to a certain set of conditions. Viruses aren't really equipped to interact with other viral matter.
 
2012-07-16 06:13:31 PM

tortilla burger: cs30109: I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.

Actually the chances of this happening are slim at best. There are a lot of examples of this *not* happening. Most biological processes, viruses included, tend to be very specific to a certain set of conditions. Viruses aren't really equipped to interact with other viral matter.


Not sure if serious. You got any idea of how we 'splice' genes? Seems like this would eventually be a lead pipe cinch. All it would take is a couple of receptive bits of DNA from 2 or more virus (viri?) not to mention the ability to pick up loose DNA from its human host. The next great plague is born. Fortunately the part of the population that has the same bit of loose DNA should prove immune to some degree. Not sure that this isn't how the great population thinners of the past were born.

Now back to the Reynolds brand haberdashery.
 
2012-07-16 06:17:44 PM

tortilla burger: cs30109: I'm a little puzzled about why they thought this wouldn't happen. It sounds quite predictable to me. When two closely related viruses get into the same cell, there will be recombination between them---you can bank on it.

Actually the chances of this happening are slim at best. There are a lot of examples of this *not* happening. Most biological processes, viruses included, tend to be very specific to a certain set of conditions. Viruses aren't really equipped to interact with other viral matter.


No...they really are. That's how evolution started.

You need to look up plasmids and gene-swapping. There are a lot of examples of this "not" happening, true; but there are a lot of examples of it happening as well. Viruses swap genes frequently, that's how species-jumping occurs.
 
2012-07-16 07:06:54 PM
Industrial farming is displacing the proverbial mad scientist in generating our next contagious nightmare.
 
2012-07-16 08:45:37 PM

Mikeyworld: The name of the magazine 'Science' is highlighted in yellow, very subtly. I hardly noticed, but my brain nagged me to focus on it. Subliminal advertising at its best

/sneaky Bastids
//Get outta my head!


Put down the tinfoil. The highlighting is subtle only if you have poor eyesight, a poor display, or a poorly adjusted display. That news site highlights the name of every journal they cite, just as a way of emphasizing the sources. Another example
 
2012-07-16 09:54:39 PM
I am waiting for the mutant chicken heart.

Link
 
2012-07-17 12:58:21 AM
Good thing I'm not a chicken
 
2012-07-17 01:18:26 AM
Wonder Vaccine Twins power... ACTIVATE! Shape of... virus capsid! Form of... chicken flu!
 
2012-07-17 05:03:06 AM
There could be cause for alarm if the US had a ridiculously accelerated vaccination schedule, often combining upwards of 20 vaccines in a single shot. Oh, right...
 
2012-07-17 07:48:54 AM
Vaccinate the animals and it causes superbugs. Put antibiotics in their food and it causes superbugs. Fertilizers and insecticides and bad for the environment. Just exactly what are farmers supposed to do to keep their animals and crops from getting sick with diseases that could wipe out large parts of the flock, herd or crop, thus resulting in the farmer going bankrupt?
 
2012-07-17 06:39:41 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Vaccinate the animals and it causes superbugs. Put antibiotics in their food and it causes superbugs. Fertilizers and insecticides and bad for the environment. Just exactly what are farmers supposed to do to keep their animals and crops from getting sick with diseases that could wipe out large parts of the flock, herd or crop, thus resulting in the farmer going bankrupt?


You're mixing issues. The antibiotic use mainly criticized is not done for therapeutic purposes. It's for a side effect of promoting growth that was discovered. It's a thoroughly inappropriate use of the antibiotics.
 
2012-07-18 04:57:56 AM

Isildur: You're mixing issues. The antibiotic use mainly criticized is not done for therapeutic purposes. It's for a side effect of promoting growth that was discovered. It's a thoroughly inappropriate use of the antibiotics


Didn't know that, thanx! :-)
 
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