JerseyTim: Which is why they shouldn't reboot it. Just tell Batman stories. They don't even have to be connected or maintain continuity. At this point, we really don't need an origin story. We get who the character is.

Agreed.

That was one of the nice things about the Keaton Batman movie- they didn't bother to do a big origin story or anything else for Batman. It was just the Batman we already knew. The Nolan Batman has been just fine- great story, etc., but other than the increased grittiness, it hasn't brought much else to the plate.

Just do a Batman movie... pick a villain and get to it. There's no need to boot jack shiat. If you want to design your own Batmobile, go for it, but you don't need to come up with some kind of "here's how THIS guy got all his stuff." We're already suspending a fair amount of disbelief, we'll let the origin BS slide too.

Which is why they shouldn't reboot it. Just tell Batman stories. They don't even have to be connected or maintain continuity. At this point, we really don't need an origin story. We get who the character is.

bglove25: So, just a thought. When comparing Batman movies, can we stick to the one that AREN'T farkING ANIMATED? Like, I get they exist and all, but they don't get wide movie releases. They made 8 thousand land before time movies too, but only the first one counts. Comparing Heath Ledger to animated characters might be the dumbest thing I can think of.

THIS.

I could give a f*ck about RotJoker or the others. Why don't we compare Ewoks: Caravan of Courage to Empire Strikes Back while we're at it?

frepnog: Madbassist1: frepnog: generations - a lousy cop out with one good scene (crashing the enterprise)

Although I disagree with several of your statements, none get my gall more than this one. Crashing the Enterprise is awesome, if for no other reason than to see the scale of the ship, but I dare say sir that the crash was only part of the larger scene which could be called "The extinguishing of the sun of Veridian III" or something like that. Starting when the rocket ignites in the star, clear until the end of the crash is one of the most breathtaking scenes in history. A farking STAR going out...as viewed from its planet. Scary shiat.

Other than that? biatch on, good sir,

except that he shot a farking bottle rocket at a farking STAR and it got there in what, 3-4 seconds? THE GODDAMN ROCKET DIDN'T farkING WARP TO THE STAR. the scene sucks, dude. you can't really seriously defend it.

oh, and the enterprise crashed BEFORE the whole star going out scene, since they show the crashed enterprise destroyed in the explosion.

I would wager that the entirety of Star Wars Episode 2 is better than that scene. AND THAT MOVIE BLOWS.

Generations is by far the best of the Trek movies for the sole reason that Kirk dies in it.

The best Batman movies:

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman (1989)
3. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
4. Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
5. Batman: Under the Red Hood

The worst:

1. Batman & Robin
2. Batman Forever
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman (1966)
5. Batman & Robin again, because it's that bad.

YMMV of course, but Batman Begins ranks in the middle of all those, and the '89 Batman is endlessly quotable and campy in it's own way.

Supes: Wayne 985: The entire purpose of Batman is to save lives and avoid killing. Batman is great because he's a dark malcontent who is also more noble than any of the "Boy Scout" heroes. He's the perfect combination.

Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

Batman originally had no problems killing his enemies. It stopped around the introduction of Robin and trying to slant the comic towards younger readers, and was reinforced by the Comics Code Authority. By the time the CCA lost its importance, the "no killing" had become a part of the Batman mythos already... and oddly regardless Batman still has shown the willingness to kill in certain rare circumstances (and he keeps files out to kill all his fellow superheroes!).

I'll tweak it though to make people happy. A darker, grittier Batman. He doesn't kill, but has no problem torturing (psychologically or physically) to get information he needs.

Actually, even the Golden Age Batman only killed as a last resort option. The majority of that time, the villain killed themselves. One of the earliest stories: Batman and the Monster Men-a whole truckload of super hulked out men were being sent to Gotham. Batman states: "Normally I hate taking human life, but I don't have any other choice."

Robin in his first story, kicked a man who was trying to kill him off of a construction site.

Still, by the 3rd year of Batman, the writers realized that Batman worked far better as a non killing hero...way before the Comic Code Authority

Supes: Tannhauser: I also vote for a less gritty Batman. No origins! Unless it's not Batman. I'd kinda like to see him teach Robin how to beat up bad guys, just don't go full Schumacher.

Never go full Schumacher.

See I'd love to go in the opposite direction. An even darker Batman, couched in realism, a guy with severe emotional/mental problems and has no problem killing to get his point across. R-rated movie of course.

Let Superman be the noble hero. Batman's a different sort of character.

What you describe is the Punisher-not Batman. One of the great things about Nolan was that he understood the concept that what makes Batman a hero was that he wasn't out for revenge.

It's one of the reasons I wasn't too big on the Burton films was Batman running around killing people.

FreetardoRivera: anywho, this is easy

two words: batman beyond

you are welcome warner bros

This. It makes sense, and with our current absolute distaste for corporations, Derek Powers would be an excellent villain.

/Just keep the glowing skeleton effect at under 10 mil, please.

Can't beat mask of the phantasm and return of the joker, but we've watched idiots blow billions trying.