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(Daily Mail)   President Obama: "If you've got a successful business, you aren't responsible for that success, you aren't cleverer or more hardworking just luckier"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 589
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2012-07-16 09:48:03 AM  
Oh cool another misleading headline on the politics tab
 
2012-07-16 09:49:11 AM  
We all know that Romey or Trump would have been just as wealthy had they not come from money.
 
2012-07-16 09:50:00 AM  
Well yeah, finding a good or service that the fickle public finds unique does involve luck, sometimes.
 
2012-07-16 09:50:07 AM  
Remember folks, rich people made their money with the help of no one but themselves. They alone created the wealth they now hold and aren't subject to laws that make them equal to less awesome people.
 
2012-07-16 09:51:02 AM  
I don't understand the headline or the article. Obama doesn't make gaffes, unless it's a hot mic or on the Tonight Show.
 
2012-07-16 09:51:30 AM  
Oh so it's not just submitter who is lying. FTA:


He said that many of the rich believed that their success should be attributed to the efforts of others and to society as a whole, adding: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that.'

Actual quote:

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
 
2012-07-16 09:51:37 AM  
Not true, it's well-documented that Mitt Romney started Bain Capital in a hut in Somalia (that he built himself) and turned it - after years of fighting off warlords and malaria - into a successful American company.
 
2012-07-16 09:51:39 AM  
I agree with Obama's sentiment (mostly). However, a small business owner has to put in MORE hard work than your average "hard-working" 9-5 slob. There's the difference. Obama (from what I read in TFA) never touched on that. I can see how the right would use that to say Obama's "out of touch."

I disagree with the headline.
 
2012-07-16 09:52:27 AM  

WTF Indeed: Remember folks, rich people made their money with the help of no one but themselves. They alone created the wealth they now hold and aren't subject to laws that make them equal to less awesome people.


goo.gl
 
2012-07-16 09:53:06 AM  

Jackson Herring: Oh so it's not just submitter who is lying. FTA:


He said that many of the rich believed that their success should be attributed to the efforts of others and to society as a whole, adding: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that.'

Actual quote:

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


Yeah, I had expected that Obama's speech was reduced to nothing but misleading sound bites.
 
2012-07-16 09:54:19 AM  
So Obama said something completely true. This is an outrage?
 
2012-07-16 09:55:31 AM  

xanadian: Yeah, I had expected that Obama's speech was reduced to nothing but misleading sound bites.


The article was pretty mendacious but shiatmitter took it to a whole other level.
 
2012-07-16 09:56:57 AM  

Jackson Herring: xanadian: Yeah, I had expected that Obama's speech was reduced to nothing but misleading sound bites.

The article was pretty mendacious but shiatmitter took it to a whole other level.


Retroactive speechwriting.
 
2012-07-16 10:00:04 AM  
This shows the man's one weakness. He talks to us like we're adults. He expects people to be able to follow a complex argument. He's absolutely right in what he's saying, but the electorate is too dumb to follow the logic.

Still a proud member
 
2012-07-16 10:00:22 AM  
If I were Obama, I wouldn't be criticizing others for free-riding. Pot meet kettle.

/don't bother responding 'we get it, he's black', i have already done it for you.
 
2012-07-16 10:04:02 AM  
How dare Fartbongo try to buoy up the spirits of the hard working folks by pointing out that the extremely wealthy had help getting where they are, while simultaneously perhaps shaming the very wealthy so-called job creators who sit on their cash due to great tax breaks while not actually creating jobs. Truly he is history's greatest monster.
 
2012-07-16 10:06:05 AM  

SlothB77: If I were Obama, I wouldn't be criticizing others for free-riding. Pot meet kettle.

/don't bother responding 'we get it, he's black', i have already done it for you.


He's not criticizing others for "free-riding." He's criticizing the hypocracy of the current Free MarketTM pathology within our political discourse.

Obama acknowledges the help he got along the way all the time. How is this the pot saying 'we get it he's black'?
 
2012-07-16 10:07:40 AM  
If I were Obama, I wouldn't be criticizing others for free-riding. Pot meet kettle.

idgi
 
2012-07-16 10:08:08 AM  

Jackson Herring: Actual quote:

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.



Oh well, in that case...
 
2012-07-16 10:12:16 AM  

SlothB77: If I were Obama, I wouldn't be criticizing others for free-riding. Pot meet kettle.

/don't bother responding 'we get it, he's black', i have already done it for you.


Riiiiight. Obama's just being a hypocrit, pointing out that no one gets success without help. The guy that wrote all about the people that helped him get where he is in a best selling autobiography is a hypocrite for pointing out that wealthy business owners should feel obliged to pay for the infrastructure that their businesses depend on. Sure, I can totally see that.
 
2012-07-16 10:12:21 AM  
The right has never understood externalities. You'll see a glaring example before this thread is over.

It's 18th Century economics so you'd thought they'd be all over it, but perhaps it's a bit newfangled and frightening for them.
 
2012-07-16 10:16:09 AM  
Text of speech. Link
 
2012-07-16 10:16:47 AM  

xanadian: I agree with Obama's sentiment (mostly). However, a small business owner has to put in MORE hard work than your average "hard-working" 9-5 slob. There's the difference. Obama (from what I read in TFA) never touched on that. I can see how the right would use that to say Obama's "out of touch."

I disagree with the headline.


Yes, and he appears to have phrased it poorly - he's saying that being hardworking and/or smart doesn't mean you will be successful; that ALSO requires luck and the support of others, even if you don't want to remember that later.

That said, this is one of the worst things I've heard him say in a while; it's easy to tell lies about it.
 
2012-07-16 10:16:56 AM  

doyner: SlothB77: If I were Obama, I wouldn't be criticizing others for free-riding. Pot meet kettle.

/don't bother responding 'we get it, he's black', i have already done it for you.

He's not criticizing others for "free-riding." He's criticizing the hypocracy of the current Free MarketTM pathology within our political discourse.

Obama acknowledges the help he got along the way all the time. How is this the pot saying 'we get it he's black'?


He's trying to discredit all businessman, business owners. He says they wouldn't have accomplished what they accomplished without the government. But he fails to mention all the lost opportunities and lost businesses that would have been built had government gotten out of the way. Take the money that went to Solyndra. Had that money been available in the free market, it would have been routed to a better business model and who knows how many jobs it could have created or what kind of empire it could have built. Instead, that money went to an inferior business model and was wasted. That money is literally gone. It no longer exists anywhere. It was spent on something that created no wealth and the return on that investment was zero.
 
2012-07-16 10:19:20 AM  
If you manage to take advantage of the infrastructure and educated populace to build your own little empire, I can see a very realistic argument for you having profited MORE from that infrastructure than the folks around you, actually.
 
2012-07-16 10:20:38 AM  
'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

"Somebody else" is previous generations of successful business people, who paid the tab -not gov't. The welfare people of America have access to those same roads and bridges just like successful business people. "Somebody else" made that happen for them too.

/Blame, excuses and failure. It would be so nice if Obama had some actual accomplishments to brag about.
 
2012-07-16 10:22:25 AM  

Il Douchey: It would be so nice if Obama had some actual accomplishments to brag about.


HCR and Bin Laden come to mind...
 
2012-07-16 10:23:03 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jackson Herring: Actual quote:

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


Oh well, in that case...


because there has never been a business where they built roads....paid for, of course, by the taxpayers...supervised by the government....overseen by private contractors
 
2012-07-16 10:23:38 AM  

unlikely: If you manage to take advantage of the infrastructure and educated populace to build your own little empire, I can see a very realistic argument for you having profited MORE from that infrastructure than the folks around you, actually.


If by 'very realistic argument' you mean 'something that is universally agreed upon by anyone with a first year economics class under their belt' then sure.
 
2012-07-16 10:24:14 AM  

Il Douchey: It would be so nice if Obama had some actual accomplishments to brag about.


You should phone Tom Hanks and tell him not narrate that campaign movie for Obama. You know, retroactively.
 
2012-07-16 10:26:01 AM  

EnviroDude: because there has never been a business where they built roads....paid for, of course, by the taxpayers...supervised by the government....overseen by private contractors


Correct. Large scale government planning using public funds creates jobs and stokes commerce, which creates jobs.
 
2012-07-16 10:27:14 AM  

MrBallou: This shows the man's one weakness. He talks to us like we're adults. He expects people to be able to follow a complex argument. He's absolutely right in what he's saying, but the electorate is too dumb to follow the logic.

Still a proud member


Obama needs to be careful here. Most small business owners aren't rich, and they never will be. I'm all for class warfare, but we need to keep the enemy defined. Obama shouldn't even give small business owners the opportunity to feel threatened.
 
2012-07-16 10:27:28 AM  

Tigger: unlikely: If you manage to take advantage of the infrastructure and educated populace to build your own little empire, I can see a very realistic argument for you having profited MORE from that infrastructure than the folks around you, actually.

If by 'very realistic argument' you mean 'something that is universally agreed upon by anyone with a first year economics class under their belt' then sure.


Oh, so you're saying it's obvious to everyone who's not a cork-on-the-fork moron?
 
2012-07-16 10:28:56 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: Obama shouldn't even give small business owners the opportunity to feel threatened.


Those 18 tax cuts Obama signed for them should assuage their concerns.
 
2012-07-16 10:30:10 AM  
I love that we're having argument that the government can't/doesn't/shouldn't build projects that can facilitate commerce.... on the Internet.
 
2012-07-16 10:30:55 AM  

unlikely: Tigger: unlikely: If you manage to take advantage of the infrastructure and educated populace to build your own little empire, I can see a very realistic argument for you having profited MORE from that infrastructure than the folks around you, actually.

If by 'very realistic argument' you mean 'something that is universally agreed upon by anyone with a first year economics class under their belt' then sure.

Oh, so you're saying it's obvious to everyone who's not a cork-on-the-fork moron?


It's not so much that it's obvious in the sense that you would just stumble across it. It's obvious in the sense that its been settled economic debate for donkeys years.

It would be like saying I'm not sure if the sun is the center of the solar system or maybe evolution doesn't exist.

DAMMIT.
 
2012-07-16 10:31:43 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Oh well, in that case...


In that case what? Are you saying that everyone with a small business built the roads and other infrastructure?
 
2012-07-16 10:31:50 AM  

JerseyTim: I love that we're having argument that the government can't/doesn't/shouldn't build projects that can facilitate commerce.... on the Internet.


Tune in next week for 'Gravity - does it really matter'....while skydiving.
 
2012-07-16 10:32:33 AM  

SlothB77: Take the money that went to Solyndra. Had that money been available in the free market, it would have been routed to a better business model and who knows how many jobs it could have created or what kind of empire it could have built.


Major investors included George Kaiser Family Foundation, U.S. Venture Partners, CMEA Ventures, Redpoint Ventures, Virgin Green Fund, Madrone Capital Partners, RockPort Capital Partners, Argonaut Private Equity, Masdar and Artis Capital Management.[13]
 
2012-07-16 10:32:34 AM  
While President Obama is correct some business success is based on luck (providing correct service/product to public, knowing the right people, establishing it during good economic times, etc.), it's not a absolute truth. Many business owners work their butts off.

Makes as much sense as all Democrats are libtards though.
 
2012-07-16 10:32:56 AM  

Tigger: or maybe evolution doesn't exist.


... sorry
 
2012-07-16 10:33:01 AM  
doyner: HCR and Bin Laden come to mind...

So why isn't he bragging about Obamacare and his heroic exploits in Bokkyston?
It's all whining about Bain and rich people. You have a record now Barry, run on it.
 
2012-07-16 10:34:38 AM  

SlothB77:

He's trying to discredit all businessman, business owners. He says they wouldn't have accomplished what they accomplished without the government. But he fails to mention all the lost opportunities and lost businesses that would have been built had government gotten out of the way. Take the money that went to Solyndra. Had that money been available in the free market, it would have been routed to a better business model and who knows how many jobs it could have created or what kind of empire it could have built. Instead, that money went to an inferior business model and was wasted. That money is literally gone. It no longer exists anywhere. It was spent on something that created no wealth and the return on that investment was zero.


It would have gone to a better business? Or maybe it would have gone to Webvan. Because the free market never wastes a billion dollars.
 
2012-07-16 10:34:45 AM  

AirForceVet: Many business owners work their butts off.


I'm pretty sure he didn't say otherwise.

That's just the strawman the retard parrots are all picking up from Fox/Townhall/Stinker/whoever else distributes the official campaign propaganda.
 
2012-07-16 10:34:59 AM  
Fine, let's destroy all the infrastructure and see how well the economy does.
 
2012-07-16 10:35:49 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jackson Herring: Actual quote:

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


Oh well, in that case...


In that case, society exists.
 
2012-07-16 10:37:34 AM  

sweetmelissa31: In that case, society exists.


thanks alot fartcrates :(
 
2012-07-16 10:38:11 AM  
It is much harder to *see* or imagine the businesses and innovations that would exist now or be possible had our government not stifled them at some point or wasted less or been more efficient, but Obama fails to acknowledge them. For every business the infrastructure in place has helped, there are two businesses that have been stifled due to bureaucracy that would have otherwise existed. It is just harder to imagine them because they never had the chance to emerge.

Imagine living in modern-day Cuba, but not being to see or imagine the progress that has been achieved in the USA. You would have no idea how much better things could be and you wouldn't be upset at your rate of progress. People aren't upset at America's rate of progress because they can't see how much further along this country could be right now.
 
2012-07-16 10:38:57 AM  
You know, I grew up on a private road. My dad had to purchase a truck with a plow, and the whole family spend an awful lot of time shoveling snow, mud, etc etc. Also, when anyone cane to visit, we had to tell them to unlock the damn gate.

Private roads aren't so great, actually.
 
2012-07-16 10:40:06 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: rumpelstiltskin: Obama shouldn't even give small business owners the opportunity to feel threatened.

Those 18 tax cuts Obama signed for them should assuage their concerns.


And the fact that equity markets outperform under Democratic administrations and underperform during Republican ones, or that government spending grows at a slower rate under Democratic administrations than Republican ones, those things should assuage the concerns of conservatives?
They don't. Rhetoric matters, and sitting there after you lose an election muttering about how voters weren't smart enough to elect the right guy is no way to go through life.
 
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