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(Investors Business Daily)   Obama concedes space race to hated Soviets as US astronaut forced to hitchhike to outer space on Russian-built rocket ship helmed by communist monkey   (news.investors.com) divider line 12
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2012-07-16 11:45:00 AM  
4 votes:
I know this may shock people, and I don't say this very often but President Obama is right.

The successor to the space shuttle (Constellation) was never going to fly at a reasonable cost. NASA spent $445 million for the test of the rocket designed to lift the next-generation capsule - except that the "test" wasn't anything close to the real hardware that was going to be used - it was a test of part of the first stage boosting a dummy upper stage. Even that test didn't go so well.

Meanwhile, President Obama pushed ahead with commercial contracts with providers like SpaceX. SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket cost $300 million to develop, flew successfully twice, and twice launched a Dragon capsule into space, the second time docking that capsule with the International Space Station. And in fact, both times people could have ridden in that capsule with little more than a chair and an oxygen supply.

It's funny - it's the liberal Democrat Barack Obama pursuing a free-market approach to space that does more for less cost, and it's the conservative Republicans pushing a big government approach. Space policy makes strange bedfellows sometimes.

The Falcon 9 and Dragon could start providing crew services to the International Space Station very soon - in far less time and for far less money than the Constellation program could have ever hoped to do. So TFA is wrong - President Obama is using the private sector to help not only give NASA crewed access to space again, but the money that NASA is spending with companies like SpaceX are helping foster a new commercial market for low-cost space launches.

Now, maybe Obama's doing this because Elon Musk is a big bundler for the Obama campaign and a major supporter - but in the end, who cares? SpaceX is producing cheap and reliable hardware that can help both NASA and the private sector and is revolutionizing access to space.

So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.
2012-07-16 09:11:39 AM  
3 votes:
The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over 1 million a year.
2012-07-16 01:26:09 PM  
1 votes:

deadcrickets: You know I love NASA. I grew up loving space as much as I love history and dinosaurs. With that being said, it's time to change NASA over to purely an oversight role much like the FAA. Let the commercial interests handle space travel, tourism, and exploitation.


This would be a great idea if it weren't for the fact that commercial technology is doing what NASA did over 50 years ago. Getting to low earth orbit is great and all, but the reason that it is now commercially viable is because NASA pioneered the technologies the COTS companies are now using. Getting NASA out of the LEO business is fine. But they should be getting out of it in order to spend their time looking outward from LEO, instead of just getting out of the business of space altogether. Every president since Kennedy has failed the country horribly when it comes to space policy.
2012-07-16 12:21:07 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


When you're in an economic crisis you have to cut down on luxuries.

Exploring space is a luxury. Feeding poor children and giving Mitt Romney a tax break is a necessity.
2012-07-16 12:06:51 PM  
1 votes:
Holy fark.

WhoopyCushion actually said something that wasn't third hand, non-verifiable bullshiat.

My gods I think I'm gonna farking faint.
2012-07-16 12:06:07 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: WombatControl: So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.

There you go folks. Shut down the thread. It's over.


Wow. I might have to consider switching him from grey to orange for that comment.
2012-07-16 11:55:01 AM  
1 votes:

theorellior: WombatControl: So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.

There you go folks. Shut down the thread. It's over.


It's so hard to find such refreshing honesty. Thanks, WC.
2012-07-16 11:50:36 AM  
1 votes:
So on one hand, NASA costs too much to fund.

On the other hand, Obama is criticized for outsourcing space travel.

Which is it, dickheads? You can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you do us all a favor and choke on it.
2012-07-16 11:46:27 AM  
1 votes:
You know I love NASA. I grew up loving space as much as I love history and dinosaurs. With that being said, it's time to change NASA over to purely an oversight role much like the FAA. Let the commercial interests handle space travel, tourism, and exploitation.
2012-07-16 11:46:08 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


Constellation was going to be a bloated, over-expensive boondoggle. Good riddance to it before it got out of hand! The SpaceX's Falcon/Dragon system is much better.
2012-07-16 11:42:42 AM  
1 votes:
Killing Ares was a good thing. It was pure pork, and never meant to actually do the job.

Space X showed the proper way to design a spacecraft for LEO: vertical integration, with a focus on reliability, safety, etc. Costs a fraction to send something to orbit then what SLS or Ares will cost or would have cost in Ares case. Progress on Dragon has been solid, and results are good so far.

Only hope is space X gets enough money to fund their high energy uppers/lowers and can get the Falcon X off the ground.
2012-07-16 10:41:34 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


Funny how NASA was considered a waste of money by conservatives until Obama got in office...
 
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