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2012-07-16 09:11:39 AM
The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over 1 million a year.
 
2012-07-16 09:52:53 AM
So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?
 
2012-07-16 09:53:40 AM
VAN SUSTEREN: Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin is still with us. And Governor, last night there was a lot of discussion about the Sputnik moment that the president talked about. Do you agree with him? Do you - and is this our moment?

PALIN: That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.

So I listened to that Sputnik moment talk over and over again, and I think, No, we don't need one of those. You know what we need is a "spudnut" moment. And here's where I'm going with this, Greta. And you're a good one because you're one of those reporters who actually gets out there in the communities, find these hard-working people and find solutions to the problems that Americans face.

Well, the spudnut shop in Richland, Washington - it's a bakery, it's a little coffee shop that's so successful, 60-some years, generation to generation, a family-owned business not looking for government to bail them out and to make their decisions for them. It's just hard-working, patriotic Americans in this shop.

We need more spudnut moments in America. And I wish that President Obama would understand, in that heartland of America, what it is that really results in the solutions that we need to get this economy back on the right track. It's a shop like that.
 
2012-07-16 10:26:14 AM

Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?



Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.
 
2012-07-16 10:38:54 AM

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


So you finally admit he did something right for a change?
 
2012-07-16 10:41:34 AM

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


Funny how NASA was considered a waste of money by conservatives until Obama got in office...
 
2012-07-16 10:45:39 AM
Republicans are for privatization unless Obama does it. NASA shouldn't waste a moment on LEO flights unless they are part of a flight to the Moon or beyond. Paying a private American contractor would be my first choice but partnering with the Russians is ok. The Cold War, you'll get over it..
 
2012-07-16 10:50:14 AM

oldernell: The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over 1 million a year.


He is against it. For all his talk of being science friendly the Obama presidency has been pretty disastrous for space science and physics.
 
2012-07-16 11:05:40 AM
OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-07-16 11:18:32 AM
Obamasourcing!
 
2012-07-16 11:18:34 AM

Thoguh: oldernell: The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over 1 million a year.

He is against it. For all his talk of being science friendly the Obama presidency has been pretty disastrous for space science and physics.


You are aware that Congress controls the budgets for space science and physics, right?
 
2012-07-16 11:20:16 AM

qorkfiend: You are aware that Congress controls the budgets for space science and physics, right?


You are aware that there hasnt been a budget since Obama has taken office right?
 
2012-07-16 11:20:44 AM
Down with government spending! Why isn't the government spending more?!
 
2012-07-16 11:21:04 AM

jayg22: qorkfiend: You are aware that Congress controls the budgets for space science and physics, right?

You are aware that there hasnt been a budget since Obama has taken office right?


And this is not the responsibility of Congress for what reason?
 
2012-07-16 11:22:25 AM

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


And even if he hadn't, there still would have been anything man-rated flying today.

Constellation was everything the Right claims to hate in a public project - pork-barrel spending at cost-plus, bureaucratic and inefficient. SpaceX developed a new launcher for what NASA spent on launching a goddamn mock-up on top of a Shuttle SRB.
 
2012-07-16 11:24:34 AM

qorkfiend: And this is not the responsibility of Congress for what reason?


Wait... Who writes the budget?

/Obama's last budget was defeated 99-0.
 
2012-07-16 11:24:59 AM

jayg22: qorkfiend: And this is not the responsibility of Congress for what reason?

Wait... Who writes the budget?

/Obama's last budget was defeated 99-0.


You know you've got a disingenuous person who is either an idiot or a troll when they mention that.
 
2012-07-16 11:26:46 AM

jayg22: qorkfiend: And this is not the responsibility of Congress for what reason?

Wait... Who writes the budget?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-16 11:31:17 AM

oldernell: The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over 1 million a year.


Dear President Obama,

Please come out against NASA. The mouth breathers in congress...
 
2012-07-16 11:37:55 AM
Shorter IBD: 'We have to cut government spending! Except on surrogate penis enlargement programs.'
 
2012-07-16 11:42:42 AM
Killing Ares was a good thing. It was pure pork, and never meant to actually do the job.

Space X showed the proper way to design a spacecraft for LEO: vertical integration, with a focus on reliability, safety, etc. Costs a fraction to send something to orbit then what SLS or Ares will cost or would have cost in Ares case. Progress on Dragon has been solid, and results are good so far.

Only hope is space X gets enough money to fund their high energy uppers/lowers and can get the Falcon X off the ground.
 
2012-07-16 11:45:00 AM
I know this may shock people, and I don't say this very often but President Obama is right.

The successor to the space shuttle (Constellation) was never going to fly at a reasonable cost. NASA spent $445 million for the test of the rocket designed to lift the next-generation capsule - except that the "test" wasn't anything close to the real hardware that was going to be used - it was a test of part of the first stage boosting a dummy upper stage. Even that test didn't go so well.

Meanwhile, President Obama pushed ahead with commercial contracts with providers like SpaceX. SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket cost $300 million to develop, flew successfully twice, and twice launched a Dragon capsule into space, the second time docking that capsule with the International Space Station. And in fact, both times people could have ridden in that capsule with little more than a chair and an oxygen supply.

It's funny - it's the liberal Democrat Barack Obama pursuing a free-market approach to space that does more for less cost, and it's the conservative Republicans pushing a big government approach. Space policy makes strange bedfellows sometimes.

The Falcon 9 and Dragon could start providing crew services to the International Space Station very soon - in far less time and for far less money than the Constellation program could have ever hoped to do. So TFA is wrong - President Obama is using the private sector to help not only give NASA crewed access to space again, but the money that NASA is spending with companies like SpaceX are helping foster a new commercial market for low-cost space launches.

Now, maybe Obama's doing this because Elon Musk is a big bundler for the Obama campaign and a major supporter - but in the end, who cares? SpaceX is producing cheap and reliable hardware that can help both NASA and the private sector and is revolutionizing access to space.

So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.
 
2012-07-16 11:46:08 AM

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


Constellation was going to be a bloated, over-expensive boondoggle. Good riddance to it before it got out of hand! The SpaceX's Falcon/Dragon system is much better.
 
2012-07-16 11:46:27 AM
You know I love NASA. I grew up loving space as much as I love history and dinosaurs. With that being said, it's time to change NASA over to purely an oversight role much like the FAA. Let the commercial interests handle space travel, tourism, and exploitation.
 
2012-07-16 11:50:36 AM
So on one hand, NASA costs too much to fund.

On the other hand, Obama is criticized for outsourcing space travel.

Which is it, dickheads? You can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you do us all a favor and choke on it.
 
2012-07-16 11:51:01 AM

WombatControl: So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.


There you go folks. Shut down the thread. It's over.
 
2012-07-16 11:55:01 AM

theorellior: WombatControl: So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.

There you go folks. Shut down the thread. It's over.


It's so hard to find such refreshing honesty. Thanks, WC.
 
2012-07-16 12:00:33 PM

TV's Vinnie: SpaceX's Falcon/DragonThunderCougarFalconBird system


It's crammed with eagles.
 
2012-07-16 12:03:25 PM

Erik_Emune: EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.

And even if he hadn't, there still would have been anything man-rated flying today.

Constellation was everything the Right claims to hate in a public project - pork-barrel spending at cost-plus, bureaucratic and inefficient. SpaceX developed a new launcher for what NASA spent on launching a goddamn mock-up on top of a Shuttle SRB.


THIS. Constellation was merely a way to keep the same Shuttle contractors and the Congressmen whose districts hosted Shuttle contractors fat and happy post- Shuttle retirement. It suffered from the same lack of focus and ungangly mission creep that made the Shuttle too damn expensive to launch. The only way to bring the costs somewhat in line was to blow up the inefficient Cold War/Air Force supply chain that was choking NASA in waste and start fresh. SpaceX is doing just that with their heavy launcher. Other private companies are doing just that. If Congress leaves them be without forcing more defense contractor pork NASA will probably be able to license a viable launcher that gets them pretty close to what they originally wanted with the first fruits of the Ares program at an eighth the cost and a quarter the time. The same private companies can probably evolve this into the super-heavy launcher they ultimately want (and they don't need it now, because it's not like we've got an actionable plan to get beyond LEO for the next 25 years).

The part that didn't get canceled was the Orion capsule. They need that...they need a gov't-run human spacecraft so they're not reliant forever on Soyuz and stability of geopolitics. They're doing that. But that can get put on top of any number of launchers. It doesn't need a money sink like Ares to work. They can man-rate one of their own workhorse Delta or Atlas rockets to do the same damn LEO jobs at a fraction of the cost/drama/uncertainty, or license one of these private jobs.


The cognitive dissonance from critics astounds. Haven't we all been asking NASA to be more efficient, and demonstrate that they can do things efficiently before they start thinking grand again with the manned program? Haven't we all been asking them to get away from the pork-barrel flying albatrosses like the Shuttle supply chain? Well, this is it. They're doing that. It's not happening fast enough to plug the Shuttle gap, but they also had to pull a pivot after wasting 10 years re-feeding that Shuttle supply chain beast with Constellation. Shiat doesn't happen overnight. But we've already had a SpaceX supply craft dock with the ISS...we're already not 100% dependent on the Progress ship and the Soyuz rocket (which has had some problems of late) any longer.

Frankly, it's remarkable in this funding environment that things are even grinding along that quickly. SpaceX is saving our bacon while 2 branches of gov't are utterly non-functional.
 
2012-07-16 12:06:07 PM

theorellior: WombatControl: So I will say it again: on space policy Obama is right and most of the Republican Party is wrong. I may be a conservative and a Republican, but I'll give Obama credit where credit is due - SpaceX is doing what Bush's Constellation program could not at a fraction of the cost. And if Romney is elected, I sincerely hope he doesn't fark up what Obama has done in helping making commercial spaceflight a reality.

There you go folks. Shut down the thread. It's over.


Wow. I might have to consider switching him from grey to orange for that comment.
 
2012-07-16 12:06:51 PM
Holy fark.

WhoopyCushion actually said something that wasn't third hand, non-verifiable bullshiat.

My gods I think I'm gonna farking faint.
 
2012-07-16 12:11:49 PM
And no I will not switch WC's colours. I still don't trust the bugger.

One particle of gold in a chamber pot does not turn it into King Midas' wine bowl.
 
2012-07-16 12:12:17 PM

Epoch_Zero: TV's Vinnie: SpaceX's Falcon/DragonThunderCougarFalconBird system

It's crammed with eagles.


Also, there are some eagles under the floor mats.
 
2012-07-16 12:14:44 PM

oldernell: The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over under 1 million a year.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-16 12:21:07 PM

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: So Obama was responsible for the Space Shuttle?

He must be using his time machine again.

/WTF is up with the Obama haters today?


Obama was responsible for shutting down the successor to the shuttle in 2010.


When you're in an economic crisis you have to cut down on luxuries.

Exploring space is a luxury. Feeding poor children and giving Mitt Romney a tax break is a necessity.
 
2012-07-16 12:33:37 PM
I made the mistake on turning on CNN in my hotel room this morning and heard some GOP talking head pushing this inane talking point in response to Obama's attacks on Romney and Bain.
 
2012-07-16 01:22:29 PM
Newt Gingrich will be king of the Moon!
 
2012-07-16 01:26:09 PM

deadcrickets: You know I love NASA. I grew up loving space as much as I love history and dinosaurs. With that being said, it's time to change NASA over to purely an oversight role much like the FAA. Let the commercial interests handle space travel, tourism, and exploitation.


This would be a great idea if it weren't for the fact that commercial technology is doing what NASA did over 50 years ago. Getting to low earth orbit is great and all, but the reason that it is now commercially viable is because NASA pioneered the technologies the COTS companies are now using. Getting NASA out of the LEO business is fine. But they should be getting out of it in order to spend their time looking outward from LEO, instead of just getting out of the business of space altogether. Every president since Kennedy has failed the country horribly when it comes to space policy.
 
2012-07-16 02:49:18 PM

qorkfiend: jayg22: qorkfiend: And this is not the responsibility of Congress for what reason?

Wait... Who writes the budget?

[i.imgur.com image 350x272]


Notice that he hasn't made any more posts since he went to Wikipedia to grab a "read it and weep, libs" copypasta and ended up choking on crow instead.
 
2012-07-16 03:21:02 PM

Jake Havechek: Newt Gingrich will be king of the Moon!


I'm convinced that Newt Gingrich is Johnny from "To the Moon". He wants to go there despite the suspended space projects.

/good game
 
2012-07-16 06:22:59 PM
What an infantile "article".

The first sentence mentioning Obama is completely irrelevant from the rest of the information.
Where did he copy the rest of it from?

OBAMAAAAAAA!

I hope this is a sponsored link.
 
2012-07-16 07:39:40 PM

oldernell: The only way for the US to get back in the space program would be for Obama to come out completely against it. The gop would then pass a law starting it back up, and fund it by tax increases on anyone making over less than 1 million a year.


fixed that for ya.
 
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