So the victim wasn't content to sit on his ass and collect disability. He went out early in the morning to collect cans to support his family. You know what? That's a real man, doing something most would consider dirty or demeaning, because he wanted to take care of his responsibilities.

RIP, real man.

Burn in hell, worthless punks.

Tatterdemalian: If Mora had a gun and shot his attackers, we'd be calling him a deranged white-hispanic vigilante wannabe and demanding justice for his unarmed teenage victims.

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Weak.

Also, we should have a troll button next to smart and funny.

If Mora had a gun and shot his attackers, we'd be calling him a deranged white-hispanic vigilante wannabe and demanding justice for his unarmed teenage victims.

Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

TomD9938: FTA : The attack was videotaped on the defendant's cell phone by one of the other individuals and was later put on Jones' Facebook page

How many paint chips have to be eaten as a toddler to one day do something so stupid?

They have been told/taught from an early age that they are not responsible for their own actions. They are just a product of their socioeconomic status. I'm sure some people in this thread helped convince them that they weren't really savages.

Wolf892: Kids today are mentally messed up. I know that makes me sound like and old man for saying "kids today" but really, when kids are killing people for entertainment, just so they can show off...it's a sign of serious breakdown in society.

The violent crime rate has been dropping for decades. If kids today are messed up, then kids back in the 80's must have been goddamned monsters.

ThatDarkFellow: Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

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I concur. It's what you do with predatory animals, and that's all these scumbags are. Not a shred of humanity left among them.

We need to burn down the prisons in this country and replace them with true rehabilitation facilities for non-violent offenders. The violent offenders would get sent to a Thunderdome-ish facility where food (laced with PCP and bath salts) and fresh weapons get dumped in once a day.

He was a sweet and tender hooligan, hooligan
And he said that he'd never, never do it again
And of course he won't (oh, not until the next time)

He was a sweet and tender hooligan, hooligan
And he swore that he'll never, never do it again
And of course he won't (oh, not until the next time)

Poor old man
He had an "accident" with a three-bar fire
But that's OK
Because he wasn't very happy anyway
Poor woman
Strangled in her very own bed as she read
But that's OK
Because she was old and she would have died anyway
Don't blame

The sweet and tender hooligan, hooligan
Because he'll never, never, never, never, never, never do it again
(not until the next time)

God-is-a-Taco: Why is this becoming so common, teenagers killing the poor and/or homeless

It isn't. The percentage of sociopaths in the population is more or less constant. There are two factors at work

1) the population is bigger now than it was 20 years ago
2) social networking didn't exist 20 years ago.

Bigger population = more total sociopaths
Social networking = sociopaths blogging/tweeting about their sociopathic behavior

vegasj: Gwyrddu: If Mora was a rent-a-cop harassing and chasing down the teenagers, he might have a point. As it is, he doesn't.

You're still implying Z chased down & gunned down that poor, poor, innocent "child".

geesh.

We get it, you think all black people are thugs. Move on with your life please and stop threadshiatting.

Psycoholic_Slag: Tatterdemalian: Which is why they're calling me a troll. Shut down the debate, hide under the bed, put fingers in ears and scream "LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU," but the facts remain the facts, and their beliefs remain beliefs.

No, they called him a troll for posting something dumb with the intent of provoking people. See offmymed's post for why it was dumb and there is little that provokes people more than putting words in their mouth. He made no contribution to the discussion.

/get these animals off the street, preferably permanently or until they are poor (monetarily) weak old men. Steal their lives and leave them vulnerable.

PunGent: I go with B. Yes, IF they did the crime, they deserve death. But usually, all we know is that the media and/or police SAY the defendant did the crime. Members of both those entities sometimes lie deliberately, or sometimes just make simple mistakes, so I prefer life in prison...REAL life, without parole, not "life, but you get out in ten years for good behavior" for these sort of really heinous crimes.

To me, the death penalty should have a much higher standard of guilt than simple imprisonment. "Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" isn't, in my mind, good enough to execute someone. "Guilty beyond any doubt" because you have, say, a video that they took on their own phone clearly showing them and they put on their Facebook page and was still on the phone when the cops siezed it? That to me is "Guilty beyond any doubt".

Gwyrddu: The only relationship between the two crimes is that teenagers were involved in both situations.

Yep.

And even if it turns out Zimmerman's version of the story is 100% true, it's still an avoidable tragedy.
I'm not sure that would be the case in this story had Mora killed those two pricks.

Even if Martin attacked Zimmerman, he didn't set out to assault an innocent victim.
It's a different case.

But yeah - it's too bad the victim wasn't armed.

As for the Martin shooting, while it's pretty disgusting to see the behaviour of the press and some "activists" in the aftermath of the shooting, it's equally disgusting to see some of the character-assassination going on aimed at Trayvon as well.

He posted some stupid "thug" pictures of himself and smoked some weed, so what?
If he attacked Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had a right to defend himself. That doesn't mean Martin deserved to die.

Ambivalence: Oh yah, cops and lawyers just LOVE facebook. It's absolutely incredible what people will post on the internet thinking no one can see it or find it.

Someone told me, and I don't know if they were serious or not, that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) ask applicants: "Is there anything in your past that would disqualify you from being a police officer that we should know about?"

Apparently, the RCMP have sometimes had to open criminal investigations because of some of the stuff people told them.

I think Facebook just made access to stupid people a lot easier.

Wolf892: Gunther: Wolf892: Kids today are mentally messed up. I know that makes me sound like and old man for saying "kids today" but really, when kids are killing people for entertainment, just so they can show off...it's a sign of serious breakdown in society.

The violent crime rate has been dropping for decades. If kids today are messed up, then kids back in the 80's must have been goddamned monsters.

While violent crime in itself may be going down, what about violent crime being done by youth? I bet that's either going up, or at least when violent crime is happening, it's a lot more serious that it used to be.

And either way, the point is, teens that think it's cool to act like thugs and harm honest members of society need to be dealt with in the harshest way possible, just the same as any adult. That is the only true justice, anything else is practically giving kids permission to be evil.

What else do you enjoy betting on?



Overall crime rate is at a 45 year low and the juvenile crime reflects this. The murder rate is at a 50 year low.

Loaded Six String: This made me sad and angry. Just a senseless thing done by stupid evil young men.

FTFY.

Shoot them where they stand. Send their parents a bill for the bullet and the clean up.

iaazathot: Giltric: TomD9938: FTA : The attack was videotaped on the defendant's cell phone by one of the other individuals and was later put on Jones' Facebook page

How many paint chips have to be eaten as a toddler to one day do something so stupid?

They have been told/taught from an early age that they are not responsible for their own actions. They are just a product of their socioeconomic status. I'm sure some people in this thread helped convince them that they weren't really savages.

Why yes, just the other day, I was lecturing some teenagers on the intricacies of Facebook and how to properly record your shenanigans so the bleeding heart liberals will let you off the hook and give you ice cream.

/are you farking retarded?

Have you ever blamed a persons socioeconomic background on their behavior? If so...you may be part of the problem. Why not give Romney a pass too....hes just a product of his socioeconomic background it works on either end of the scale.

Nice jab though bro....insults are the signs of a losing argument.

ThatDarkFellow: Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

yep. but as always with the death penalty, what someone deserves and what government should have the power to do are two different things entirely.

Loaded Six String: Gwyrddu: Tatterdemalian: If Mora had a gun and shot his attackers, we'd be calling him a deranged white-hispanic vigilante wannabe and demanding justice for his unarmed teenage victims.

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Weak.

Also, we should have a troll button next to smart and funny.

Definitely a troll, but Mora might have lived. If lucky, he wouldn't have had to fire a shot. Unlucky and he would've had to shoot one of them. Broke a mirror kicking a black cat out of his path under a ladder unlucky and he would've had the gun wrestled away and used on him, leaving him dead as he is now.

A self defense weapon would've given him at least a chance.

The strict prohibition upon the carrying of firearms in public is the reason that Chicago experiences such a low rate of violent crime.

Wolf892: it's a lot more serious that it used to be

You only think that because it's being reported on more. shiat like this has always happened, but it'd usually only make the local papers.

Wish this happened in Texas instead of Illinois.

They sound like people that annoy me.

/dnrtfa

Color me surprised.

soundguy: ThatDarkFellow: Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

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I concur. It's what you do with predatory animals, and that's all these scumbags are. Not a shred of humanity left among them.

We need to burn down the prisons in this country and replace them with true rehabilitation facilities for non-violent offenders. The violent offenders would get sent to a Thunderdome-ish facility where food (laced with PCP and bath salts) and fresh weapons get dumped in once a day.

I really do wish we had something similar. People who do this kind of garbage need to know the consequence will be swift and SEVERE. You won't get hugs and kisses while you try to jerk the system around with appeals. You were caught on camera murdering a guy. The ONLY control you should have over your own life after that is A) Choosing to die or B) Being shipped off to a cage with other animals, never to be seen again.

krackpipe: ThatDarkFellow: Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

What's next for these two, beating-up 62 yr old women? Six yr old kids? Funny they didn't walk around looking to give a 27 yr old NFL player a beat down. Have fun in PMITA prison, pansies..

Well, a 27 year old NFL player is probably walking around with a gun waiting to shoot someone too

ThatDarkFellow: Sending them to jail isn't the answer. They're only kids.

That means they'll grow up to do worse. The answer is putting them down in the same fashion as their victim. Beat them all to death.

What's next for these two, beating-up 62 yr old women? Six yr old kids? Funny they didn't walk around looking to give a 27 yr old NFL player a beat down. Have fun in PMITA prison, pansies..

Loaded Six String: Definitely a troll, but Mora might have lived. If lucky, he wouldn't have had to fire a shot. Unlucky and he would've had to shoot one of them. Broke a mirror kicking a black cat out of his path under a ladder unlucky and he would've had the gun wrestled away and used on him, leaving him dead as he is now.

A self defense weapon would've given him at least a chance.

or the assailants could have just ran away and moved on to another target. They were clearly looking for someone weak who wouldn't put up a fight to attack, and would have found a victim eventually.

clyph: God-is-a-Taco: Why is this becoming so common, teenagers killing the poor and/or homeless

It isn't. The percentage of sociopaths in the population is more or less constant. There are two factors at work

1) the population is bigger now than it was 20 years ago
2) social networking didn't exist 20 years ago.

Bigger population = more total sociopaths
Social networking = sociopaths blogging/tweeting about their sociopathic behavior

Not to be a coont or anything, but a true sociopath wouldn't have any interest in bragging about breaking societal rules, because sociopaths feel nothing. These kids took pleasure in the act. They probably fit somewhere in the Dark triad.

clyph: It isn't. The percentage of sociopaths in the population is more or less constant. There are two factors at work

Also with the internet everyone can find out about it. If it happened twenty years ago, it might make the local papers, the local news, and that's it. It's like teachers sleeping with students. Or any other of a long list of things.

The poor guy had a lot of kids. No wonder he had to collect cans. Couldn't he have kept his pants on?

Human garbage. The one on the right looked retarded, and I mean that literally.
Why is this becoming so common, teenagers killing the poor and/or homeless?
fark. There never seems to be any sort of relation to the victims, just completely random people beaten and/or killed for fun.

platedlizard:
Link For those who don't want to click, he also posted quite frequently about having child porn, how to get it, fapping to it, that he wanted to adopt a little girl to use as a sex slave, etc. Publicly. The FBI were not amused.

Sad and infuriating at the same time.

He should have commissioned someone to draw them together. Black people always look so dignified in anime and manga.

I can't wait for the inevitable crowd of "But they're just KIDS! They didn't know any better! Locking them up is BARBARIC!" folks to find this thread.