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(Yahoo)   Artist paints over the halo that was over Joe Paterno's head on a mural in downtown State College PA. In other news there used to be a mural in downtown State College PA where Joe Pa had a fricking HALO over his head   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2012-07-15 11:08:42 PM  

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: not to the true believers. to them, he's still a god.

There is a difference between blind allegiance and conflicted realities. Putting thought into this subject beyond basic emotion reveals that many attached to Penn State must reconcile the two opposing realities that were Joe Paterno.


Except that we now know, beyond reasonable doubt, that there were not two conflicting realities: only the mask that coached football and the reality that harbored a predator. Joe Paterno defenders are in denial, unable to believe that they could have been fooled so completely.

Like I've said before, it's almost like this issues is more complex than many are making it out to be.

No, actually, it's not. The man was a monster, one who has, in his last days, done far more harm to his school than all the good he claimed to have done in the preceding decades. All his "good" work has been erased, and it's just a matter of picking up the pieces.
 
2012-07-15 11:10:16 PM  

LarryDan43: Owangotang: Hey hey hey, according to ESPN the community is beginning to heal! We really all need to move on, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL begins soon! All it takes is a Big Ten championship and those boys are unraped!

It's us against the world! We're going to use this to motivate us to win football games!


Recruits are actually saying that, as if it means a damn thing in light of the whole scandal.

But hey, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL rolls on! Weeeeeeeeeee!
 
2012-07-15 11:12:01 PM  

IlGreven: Nope. It won't stop until JoePa is Benoit-ed in Pennsylvania.


That's roughly the idea, yes. Paterno deserves no better.
 
2012-07-15 11:15:42 PM  

Millennium: IlGreven: Nope. It won't stop until JoePa is Benoit-ed in Pennsylvania.

That's roughly the idea, yes. Paterno deserves no better.


Can someone tell me who this Benoit person is?
 
2012-07-15 11:18:33 PM  

gimmegimme: Riiiiiiight...and Paterno died after the scandal broke.


It was also before it was known that he was involved in the cover-up. And then the halo was removed.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that sequence of events.
 
2012-07-15 11:18:41 PM  

GoldSpider: Babwa Wawa: FARK: The halo was painted on the mural after the Sandusky scandal broke.

It was painted after Paterno died you nitwit.


And that was after the scandal broke. Conveying sainthood on the fellow was possibly ill-advised considering they didn't know the extent of his involvement in the coverup of child rape, don't you think?
 
2012-07-15 11:22:30 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiight...and Paterno died after the scandal broke.

It was also before it was known that he was involved in the cover-up. And then the halo was removed.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that sequence of events.


Seriously, I loved that 404 was posting comments from deluded crazy people on other sites, but if other people do it, then it's derivative and banal. Why not just say what you really think?
 
2012-07-15 11:22:52 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Can someone tell me who this Benoit person is?


I assume he was talking about Chris Benoit, once a professional wrestler, now known more widely for murdering his wife and son before killing himself.
 
2012-07-15 11:23:29 PM  

Generation_D: Turn off the TV's, paint out the halos, la la la all you want, the truth is still your dear leader Joe Pa allowed a molester on campus for 14 years after he knew. A criminal conspiracy ensued to protect and enable a pedo to use campus facilities to rape pre-teen boys.

By the way. Sandusky played in 1969, for Joe Paterno. What are the odds that 1998 was "the first that Joe learned of it" or whatever the current timeline of events is. Furthermore, what are the odds Sandusky didn't molest anyone until the 1990s, or that this was the first the Second Mile heard of it too.

Much more to come out on this, I have a hunch. Also -- the Freeh report did not have subpoena power. If more investigations ensue, I'm guessing there will be more crimes by these people uncovered.

Not least of which would be: Even if Joe Pa only learned of it in 1998, why does he give Sandusky full honors to retire, keep his office on campus, pay him $168,000 severance?

I keep thinking Sandusky *must* have had some kind of dirt on Joe Pa. Follow the money.


When a city bears your family's name, you probably are old money in that state. Sandusky had plenty of dirt on a lot of people. There was a few years where I refused to watch Penn State football because the fix was so obviousy in from the ref calls. Sandusky knew a lot about the program and who was crooked.
 
2012-07-15 11:23:51 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Conveying sainthood on the fellow was possibly ill-advised considering they didn't know the extent of his involvement in the coverup of child rape, don't you think?


You're right!! Hang and burn the artist too!!! More blood for the blood god!!
 
2012-07-15 11:24:17 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiight...and Paterno died after the scandal broke.

It was also before it was known that he was involved in the cover-up...


Whoa whoa whoa, I've called it all along that the scumbag was involved. It was known, just not proven.
 
2012-07-15 11:24:32 PM  

gimmegimme: GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiight...and Paterno died after the scandal broke.

It was also before it was known that he was involved in the cover-up. And then the halo was removed.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that sequence of events.

Seriously, I loved that 404 was posting comments from deluded crazy people on other sites, but if other people do it, then it's derivative and banal. Why not just say what you really think?


I almost always post what I really think. I rarely troll. I really think I suck at it and it's why I copypasta'd those comments. I'm not that creative. And that's my problem. I'm boring.
 
2012-07-15 11:26:11 PM  

404 page not found: gimmegimme: GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiight...and Paterno died after the scandal broke.

It was also before it was known that he was involved in the cover-up. And then the halo was removed.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that sequence of events.

Seriously, I loved that 404 was posting comments from deluded crazy people on other sites, but if other people do it, then it's derivative and banal. Why not just say what you really think?

I almost always post what I really think. I rarely troll. I really think I suck at it and it's why I copypasta'd those comments. I'm not that creative. And that's my problem. I'm boring.


I was addressing GoldSpider. You conducted a brief but fun operation that reminded us what the crazy people really think. I was fine with that. But it looks like GoldSpider is doing the same thing.
 
2012-07-15 11:26:13 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Millennium: IlGreven: Nope. It won't stop until JoePa is Benoit-ed in Pennsylvania.

That's roughly the idea, yes. Paterno deserves no better.

Can someone tell me who this Benoit person is?


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2012-07-15 11:27:51 PM  

Owangotang: It was known, just not proven.


If you knew, you were part of it. Got something to share with the class?
 
2012-07-15 11:29:52 PM  

gimmegimme: I was fine with that. But it looks like GoldSpider is doing the same thing.


Yes, anyone who didn't believe know Paterno personally held kids down and helped violate them obviously supports child rape themselves.
 
2012-07-15 11:31:26 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: I was fine with that. But it looks like GoldSpider is doing the same thing.

Yes, anyone who didn't believe know Paterno personally held kids down and helped violate them obviously supports child rape themselves.


I wasn't aware that Yahoo! Sports has a strikethrough function on their comments.
 
2012-07-15 11:34:13 PM  
blog.chron.com

UFIA?
 
2012-07-15 11:37:23 PM  

Theaetetus: Generation_D: I keep thinking Sandusky *must* have had some kind of dirt on Joe Pa. Follow the money.

There are rumors that some of the wealthy alumni donors were "given" kids from Second Mile to fark in exchange for donations.


That was reported by one source of dubious credibility (Mark Madden), and I don't think anything ever came of that.
 
2012-07-15 11:40:59 PM  

GoldSpider: Owangotang: It was known, just not proven.

If you knew, you were part of it. Got something to share with the class?


Cute. It must really, really hurt to be proven so wrong about someone, huh? The reasonable folks, like me, knew from the moment the scandal hit that Paterno had to be involved. I've held that line through countless declarations that I'm just some troll but in the end I've been proven right.

But it ain't about me, damn sure ain't about you either. It's about the fact that Penn State will forever be Creepy U.
 
2012-07-15 11:41:58 PM  

jaharley: [blog.chron.com image 600x400]

UFIA?


I love the fact that so many Farkers (including myself) now only associate Penn State football with raped children and Joe Paterno with the sexual violation of minors.

Not the legacy I want, but JoePa made his choices.
 
2012-07-15 11:45:19 PM  

Owangotang: It must really, really hurt to be proven so wrong about someone, huh? The reasonable folks, like me, knew from the moment the scandal hit that Paterno had to be involved. I've held that line through countless declarations that I'm just some troll but in the end I've been proven right.


I gave JoePa the benefit of the doubt, but it turns out he was more involved than I had hoped. I turned out to be wrong, you turned out to be right. You win the OJ prize, I suppose. Good for you.
 
2012-07-15 11:47:22 PM  

GoldSpider: Owangotang: It must really, really hurt to be proven so wrong about someone, huh? The reasonable folks, like me, knew from the moment the scandal hit that Paterno had to be involved. I've held that line through countless declarations that I'm just some troll but in the end I've been proven right.

I gave JoePa the benefit of the doubt, but it turns out he was more involved than I had hoped. I turned out to be wrong, you turned out to be right. You win the OJ prize, I suppose. Good for you.


As I said before it ain't about me, it's about the fact that PSU will always be Creepy U. Deal with it.
 
2012-07-15 11:47:36 PM  

gimmegimme: jaharley: [blog.chron.com image 600x400]

UFIA?

I love the fact that so many Farkers (including myself) now only associate Penn State football with raped children and Joe Paterno with the sexual violation of minors.

Not the legacy I want, but JoePa made his choices.

 
2012-07-15 11:48:20 PM  

GoldSpider: it turns out he was more involved than I had hoped.


How much involvement did you hope for?
 
2012-07-15 11:55:07 PM  
Apparently someone forgot about something called forgiveness and its infinite nature. Seems to be common amongst the rabid folks whom would not be happy even if that university was nuked from orbit.

Repaint and charge the "artist" with vandalism.

No Death Penalty. Not Yours.
 
2012-07-15 11:57:17 PM  

gimmegimme: I love the fact that so many Farkers (including myself) now only associate Penn State football with raped children and Joe Paterno with the sexual violation of minors.


Yet even more associate Penn State with a good football team that got hit with controversy.

It's time to put the rabid dogs down if they're seeking something for which cannot be provided.
 
2012-07-15 11:57:19 PM  

sethstorm: Apparently someone forgot about something called forgiveness and its infinite nature. Seems to be common amongst the rabid folks whom would not be happy even if that university was nuked from orbit.

Repaint and charge the "artist" with vandalism.

No Death Penalty. Not Yours.


Was that one comment from Sportsline, or did you paste together three different ones?
 
2012-07-15 11:57:32 PM  

Magorn: basemetal: [blog.chron.com image 600x400]

Not a big fan of posting the ten commandments in public places, but this tempts me to go down to state college with a can of spra paint and a stencil which reads:
"I am the Lord your God, You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."


By the literal reading of that, all representative visual artwork and imagery of anything, for any reason, is forbidden. All drawings, paintings, sketches, etc. that aren't 100% abstract ― even photographs, every frame of every movie or TV show, etc. ― even the likes of medical imagery (X-rays, MRIs, CAT & PET scans, etc.), blueprints, schematics, maps, etc. ― they all come under "...any likeness of anything that is in heaven [the sky] above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

It specifies no engraved ("graven" in the KJV) or carved imagery or sculptures, but it's not limited to that. The next words are in most versions, "...or any likeness of anything..."

The last bit about not bowing down to them nor serving them is what not to do with images that one finds that other peoples made. The Israelites (and all who believe the Ten Commandments) were flatly forbidden from making images at all, for any reason, even if not to bow down to nor serve them.

(Of course, YHWH almost immediately went on to contradict that, what with telling Moses to put two sculpted golden cherubim on the lid of the Ark of the Covenant. Those were even graven images!)
 
2012-07-15 11:58:32 PM  

sethstorm: Apparently someone forgot about something called forgiveness and its infinite nature. Seems to be common amongst the rabid folks whom would not be happy even if that university was nuked from orbit.

Repaint and charge the "artist" with vandalism.

No Death Penalty. Not Yours.


This message reads as if it is sponsored by the Happy Valley Chamber of Commerce, the Second Mile, and the Paterno family.
 
2012-07-16 12:00:10 AM  

404 page not found: How much involvement did you hope for?


Here's what I had hoped was the extent of Paterno's invilvement. I thought Paterno had been sheltered in the isolated utopia that is Happy Valley for so long that he couldn't comprehend a grown man sexually abusing little boys. I figured he passed what McQueary told him up the chain of command without really understanding what had happened.

And yup, it turns out I was quite wrong. Nevertheless it's pretty clear to me that the hatred coming from most Farkers throughout this has very little to do with concern for the victims.
 
2012-07-16 12:00:28 AM  

COMALite J: Magorn: basemetal: [blog.chron.com image 600x400]

Not a big fan of posting the ten commandments in public places, but this tempts me to go down to state college with a can of spra paint and a stencil which reads:
"I am the Lord your God, You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."

By the literal reading of that, all representative visual artwork and imagery of anything, for any reason, is forbidden. All drawings, paintings, sketches, etc. that aren't 100% abstract ― even photographs, every frame of every movie or TV show, etc. ― even the likes of medical imagery (X-rays, MRIs, CAT & PET scans, etc.), blueprints, schematics, maps, etc. ― they all come under "...any likeness of anything that is in heaven [the sky] above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

It specifies no engraved ("graven" in the KJV) or carved imagery or sculptures, but it's not limited to that. The next words are in most versions, "...or any likeness of anything..."

The last bit about not bowing down to them nor serving them is what not to do with images that one finds that other peoples made. The Israelites (and all who believe the Ten Commandments) were flatly forbidden from making images at all, for any reason, even if not to bow down to nor serve them.

(Of course, YHWH almost immediately went on to contradict that, what with telling Moses to put two sculpted golden cherubim on the lid of the Ark of the Covenant. Those were even graven images!)


Well, if we're really trying to split hairs and be accurate, Yahweh doesn't exist, so the last seven Commandments are really just suggestions.
 
2012-07-16 12:01:44 AM  

GoldSpider: 404 page not found: How much involvement did you hope for?

Here's what I had hoped was the extent of Paterno's invilvement. I thought Paterno had been sheltered in the isolated utopia that is Happy Valley for so long that he couldn't comprehend a grown man sexually abusing little boys. I figured he passed what McQueary told him up the chain of command without really understanding what had happened.

And yup, it turns out I was quite wrong. Nevertheless it's pretty clear to me that the hatred coming from most Farkers throughout this has very little to do with concern for the victims.


That makes sense. You wanted Paterno to be stupid and incompetent instead of evil. Understandable.
 
2012-07-16 12:02:00 AM  

COMALite J: graven images


Iconoclast debate! fark yeah!

/I can haz Homoousian debate too?
 
2012-07-16 12:03:39 AM  

GoldSpider: it's pretty clear to me that the hatred coming from most Farkers throughout this has very little to do with concern for the victims.


How so?
 
2012-07-16 12:03:50 AM  

sethstorm: It's time to put the rabid dogs down if they're seeking something for which cannot be provided.


All the while enjoying the benefit of having nobody examining their lives and choices.
 
2012-07-16 12:04:16 AM  

GoldSpider: And yup, it turns out I was quite wrong. Nevertheless it's pretty clear to me that the hatred coming from most Farkers throughout this has very little to do with concern for the victims.


Yes because now that Penn State has been proven to not have cared about the victims it's time to make that claim about those who want PSU to be held accountable, that way they are no better than Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno.

It's a bold claim but it's equally transparent, just the next straw to be grasped at.

Meanwhile, PSU still remains Creepy U.
 
2012-07-16 12:04:18 AM  

404 page not found: I almost always post what I really think. I rarely troll. I really think I suck at it and it's why I copypasta'd those comments. I'm not that creative. And that's my problem. I'm boring.


That's too bad. People like you, who approach the art of trolling with respect and humility, are exactly the sort of people who should be doing it. At the very least, you can't be any worse than the idiots who infest the Politics tab.

Owangotang: LarryDan43: Owangotang: Hey hey hey, according to ESPN the community is beginning to heal! We really all need to move on, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL begins soon! All it takes is a Big Ten championship and those boys are unraped!

It's us against the world! We're going to use this to motivate us to win football games!

Recruits are actually saying that, as if it means a damn thing in light of the whole scandal.

But hey, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL rolls on! Weeeeeeeeeee!


You can't be serious.

*click*

You're farking serious. I'm gonna need a few minutes to rage.

...

And I'm back. So here's what I'm thinking: I love me some college football, but if this is gonna be their attitude, and if no one -- not the university, not the conference, not even the NCAA -- is going to take steps to correct it, then... I don't think I can be a "fan" in good conscience this season. These messed-up priorities are exactly why people are calling for the death penalty. This program isn't trying to bounce back from the shame of a winless season. It's trying to recover from the shame of holy shiat we stood around for fourteen years and did nothing (nothing helpful, at any rate) while dozens of children were being raped. Anyone who thinks that can be accomplished by playing football needs to do some serious soul-searching, if they even have a soul to search.
 
2012-07-16 12:07:02 AM  

gimmegimme:
Was that one comment from Sportsline, or did you paste together three different ones?


Wrong on all counts.

Owangotang: This message reads as if it is sponsored by the Happy Valley Chamber of Commerce, the Second Mile, and the Paterno family.


Except that it isn't. I don't support what Sandusky did despite your implications otherwise and note that Paterno made his apology. Go find a team in the SEC, dig deep for dirt, smite them, and repeat until there is no SEC team without a Death Penalty.
 
2012-07-16 12:07:44 AM  

gimmegimme: You wanted Paterno to be stupid and incompetent instead of evil


I'd settle for naive, but call it what you like.

404 page not found: How so?


The fact that these threads almost exclusively center around Paterno, and that the few people who try to direct some of the conversation towards the victims are chased off and branded as trolls.
 
2012-07-16 12:08:00 AM  

GoldSpider: sethstorm: It's time to put the rabid dogs down if they're seeking something for which cannot be provided.

All the while enjoying the benefit of having nobody examining their lives and choices.


Yup, time to put the public on trial, just like your beloved Penn State! The school had to go through scrutiny, so should everyone else!

Pathetic.

Olympic Trolling Judge: And I'm back. So here's what I'm thinking: I love me some college football, but if this is gonna be their attitude, and if no one -- not the university, not the conference, not even the NCAA -- is going to take steps to correct it, then... I don't think I can be a "fan" in good conscience this season. These messed-up priorities are exactly why people are calling for the death penalty. This program isn't trying to bounce back from the shame of a winless season. It's trying to recover from the shame of holy shiat we stood around for fourteen years and did nothing (nothing helpful, at any rate) while dozens of children were being raped. Anyone who thinks that can be accomplished by playing football needs to do some serious soul-searching, if they even have a soul to search.


I've said it before but I used to really enjoy college football as well. I played the EA Sports game every year, it was one of the only consistent gaming experiences I chose to have. It just ALL seems so irredeemably creepy now because of the inaction of the past 14 years as well as the inaction now.

It's just all pales and withers in the face of BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
 
2012-07-16 12:09:34 AM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: I love the fact that so many Farkers (including myself) now only associate Penn State football with raped children and Joe Paterno with the sexual violation of minors.

Yet even more associate Penn State with a good football team that got hit with controversy.

It's time to put the rabid dogs down if they're seeking something for which cannot be provided.


Nice troll, but the dirt is starting to come out, including the part about campus police and student affairs not being allowed to treat players like the rest of the students. JoePa ran a good scam, but it's far more than the Sandusky Scandal being exposed by the Freeh report and many people who clashed with JoePa over the years.

I think the Sandusky Scandal Cover-up will prove to be just the tip of the iceberg that sinks Paterno's legacy deeper than the Titanic. We'll start seeing crimes by players that were swept under the rug, players that should never have played "big games" because of infractions, that played, and academic violations and touch-ups that made Paterno look like a saint to the outside world...until it gets exposed.

More people will be willing to speak out and tell their stories. Sandusky might not cause the NCAA to issue the death penalty, but I suspect new allegations will pile up over the next few months to give the NCAA the ammunition it needs.
 
2012-07-16 12:09:45 AM  

GoldSpider: All the while enjoying the benefit of having nobody examining their lives and choices.


Except that you're just looking for vengeance(which will never be satisfied) instead of justice. There is a subtle difference between the two.
 
2012-07-16 12:10:16 AM  

GoldSpider: The fact that these threads almost exclusively center around Paterno, and that the few people who try to direct some of the conversation towards the victims are chased off and branded as trolls.


There's not that much to say about the victims except to be enraged that what happened was allowed to happen and there were people covering it up in the name of wanting to sidestep some bad publicity. The outrage is in effect standing up for those who couldn't stand up for themselves and were failed by not just a slew of people but an entire institution.
 
2012-07-16 12:11:12 AM  

Owangotang: Yes because now that Penn State has been proven to not have cared about the victims it's time to make that claim about those who want PSU to be held accountable, that way they are no better than Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno.


I know, it's inconceivable that Farkers would have a reputation for being anything other than benevolent defenders of the righteous and pure.
 
2012-07-16 12:12:06 AM  

sethstorm: Except that you're just looking for vengeance(which will never be satisfied) instead of justice.


Me?
 
2012-07-16 12:12:39 AM  

LesserEvil: but the dirt is starting to come out, including the part about campus police and student affairs not being allowed to treat players like the rest of the students


That by the way is a violation of NCAA rules.
 
2012-07-16 12:13:47 AM  

GoldSpider: Owangotang: Yes because now that Penn State has been proven to not have cared about the victims it's time to make that claim about those who want PSU to be held accountable, that way they are no better than Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno.

I know, it's inconceivable that Farkers would have a reputation for being anything other than benevolent defenders of the righteous and pure.


Yup, discredit the ones who want to speak out against PSU and try to diminish the outrage. It worked so well for 14 years, why stop now?
 
2012-07-16 12:14:22 AM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme:
Was that one comment from Sportsline, or did you paste together three different ones?

Wrong on all counts.

Owangotang: This message reads as if it is sponsored by the Happy Valley Chamber of Commerce, the Second Mile, and the Paterno family.

Except that it isn't. I don't support what Sandusky did despite your implications otherwise and note that Paterno made his apology. Go find a team in the SEC, dig deep for dirt, smite them, and repeat until there is no SEC team without a Death Penalty.


Your statements are so nonsensical that one can only assume that you are trolling. For example, you feel the need to tell people you don't support what Sandusky did. Who supports child rape? (Except for Paterno, Spanier and Curley?) You are implying that an apology for facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist gets a cash bonus makes everything okay. You're also equivocating money for autographs with decades of child rape on the Penn State campus. These are not equally bad. Perhaps one day you will have a child, or even meet one, and you'll understand why people are so angry with Paterno, et. al. (Perhaps that's what the lawsuits will read in the "defendant" section.) Can you understand why it seems clear you're trolling?


GoldSpider: gimmegimme: You wanted Paterno to be stupid and incompetent instead of evil

I'd settle for naive, but call it what you like.


Naivete is not a crime. Facilitating child rape is.
 
2012-07-16 12:14:28 AM  

GoldSpider: Babwa Wawa: Conveying sainthood on the fellow was possibly ill-advised considering they didn't know the extent of his involvement in the coverup of child rape, don't you think?

You're right!! Hang and burn the artist too!!! More blood for the blood god!!


Yeah, see that's not what I wrote.
 
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