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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Joss Whedon will appear in front of the camera in all three new episodes of the online sitcom Husbands. However, with Whedon involved, odds are the internet will cancel the series halfway through the first episode   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 60
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2012-07-15 07:15:36 PM
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2012-07-15 07:16:16 PM
Will he be doing the Dance of Joy?
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2012-07-15 07:23:32 PM
Yet, once it is cancelled, some farkers will continually praise it as the best web show ever and spend the next decade whining to try to bring it back.
 
2012-07-15 07:23:53 PM
Unless Whedon finds a way to include Summer Glau it might actually make it all 3 episodes.

Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.
 
2012-07-15 07:24:07 PM
If he's luck they won't air them in order. It may go for 2 eps.
 
2012-07-15 07:36:18 PM
I predict he'll flub some lines and proceed to blame everyone who was in a 100 ft radius at the time.
 
2012-07-15 07:37:34 PM

stoli n coke: Yet, once it is cancelled, some farkers will continually praise it as the best web show ever and spend the next decade whining to try to bring it back.


And the haters will whine about these farkers and demand that they stop liking what they don't like over and over again.

And the circle of Whedon continues...
 
2012-07-15 07:41:07 PM
In before anyone takes subby to task for not properly capitalizing "Internet".
 
2012-07-15 07:41:26 PM
He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.
 
2012-07-15 07:41:38 PM

stoli n coke: Yet, once it is cancelled, some farkers will continually praise it as the best web show ever and spend the next decade whining to try to bring it back.


I'll give it a B+. But only because the headline pulled the same 'derp he's only done firefly and not buffy/angel' schtick.
 
2012-07-15 07:47:46 PM

darkjezter: Unless Whedon finds a way to include Summer Glau it might actually make it all 3 episodes.

Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.


Hey, Alphas is getting a second season soon. So that's at least one show you can't blame on her.
 
2012-07-15 07:59:30 PM
Brady, a Los Angeles Dodgers player, is the first openly gay active Major League Baseball player, and finds himself married to Cheeks (co-creator Brad Bell) after a drunken night in Las Vegas.

... this sounds like it will be sensitive and insightful.
 
2012-07-15 08:09:44 PM

bhcompy: He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.


Well Fox made seven seasons of Buffy okay. And the WB cancelled Angel. And to be fair to Fox they did give Dollhouse two seasons, and warning it was to end. If only Firefly had had that....
 
2012-07-15 08:18:00 PM
Whedon thrives online (Dr. Horrible, The Church of Firefly [shiny]). It's Fox where Whedon can't make it.
 
2012-07-15 08:26:06 PM
The guy has been given 4 television series and multiple movies, including keys to one of the biggest grossing movies in history. I wish people would stop treating him like a martyr. He is more like the popular guy at the office who isn't all that great at his job but is very likeable so he keeps getting great treatment. Sure, some of his stuff is ok. That is nice, but some of his stuff is pretty bad. Look up some of his script work (Alien Resurrection, Titan AE, and Atlantis: The Lost Empire are a good start). Also, whenever something he's involved with fails he blames everyone but himself. So please, enjoy his work as much as you want, but at least recognize that he is a hollywood insider for over 2 decades. He's not a rogue modern Shakespeare here to save us all from crappy remakes.
 
2012-07-15 08:27:10 PM

darkjezter: She's this generation's Ted McGinley.


The Ted McGinley thing is so well known and at the same time so wrong.

He was on Happy days for a 1/4 of its total run (61/255), The Love Boat for 1/4 of its run (60/250), two seasons of Dynasty (which lasted for a couple after he left), Married with Children he was on the majority of (168 of 261), The West Wing continued for 4 more seasons after he left, etc.
 
2012-07-15 08:51:48 PM

Flint Ironstag: bhcompy: He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.

Well Fox made seven seasons of Buffy okay. And the WB cancelled Angel. And to be fair to Fox they did give Dollhouse two seasons, and warning it was to end. If only Firefly had had that....


Buffy was WB - and another network (UPN?) picked up the last two

/but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up. Dollhouse was conceptually flawed, and Fox did Whedon a favor by making him redo the pilot.
 
2012-07-15 09:06:22 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Flint Ironstag: bhcompy: He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.

Well Fox made seven seasons of Buffy okay. And the WB cancelled Angel. And to be fair to Fox they did give Dollhouse two seasons, and warning it was to end. If only Firefly had had that....

Buffy was WB - and another network (UPN?) picked up the last two

/but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up. Dollhouse was conceptually flawed, and Fox did Whedon a favor by making him redo the pilot.


Buffy, and Angel, were made by Fox. Fox the studio and Fox the network are run as separate businesses, but they are all part of News Corp.

And it's noticeable that Fox micromanaged the first five episodes of Dollhouse, and the universal consensus is they are the worst episodes. After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?
 
2012-07-15 09:11:38 PM

Flint Ironstag: After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?


Sometimes there is no where to go but up?
 
2012-07-15 09:14:34 PM

ippolit: Flint Ironstag: After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?

Sometimes there is no where to go but up?


I was heading for "network executives should be shot on sight" but you have a point as well.
 
2012-07-15 09:15:10 PM

Flint Ironstag: AliceBToklasLives: Flint Ironstag: bhcompy: He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.

Well Fox made seven seasons of Buffy okay. And the WB cancelled Angel. And to be fair to Fox they did give Dollhouse two seasons, and warning it was to end. If only Firefly had had that....

Buffy was WB - and another network (UPN?) picked up the last two

/but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up. Dollhouse was conceptually flawed, and Fox did Whedon a favor by making him redo the pilot.

Buffy, and Angel, were made by Fox. Fox the studio and Fox the network are run as separate businesses, but they are all part of News Corp.

And it's noticeable that Fox micromanaged the first five episodes of Dollhouse, and the universal consensus is they are the worst episodes. After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?


Yes, but the network buys the show. Without a network, the show doesn't get produced. Fox produced it, but WB bought it. Fox wasn't putting a show that averaged less than Dollhouse and Firefly on its own networks. Whedon wanted a bigger budget so he jumped to one of the big 4, but his audience isn't anywhere near the big 4. He should have went to cable or stuck with WB/UPN/CW, or gone the Raimi/Tapert route and done a first run syndication show
 
2012-07-15 09:16:19 PM

Flint Ironstag: AliceBToklasLives: Flint Ironstag: bhcompy: He'll probably try to get Fox to sign on again. Because that worked so well the last two times. Maybe that idiot should stick with WB.

Well Fox made seven seasons of Buffy okay. And the WB cancelled Angel. And to be fair to Fox they did give Dollhouse two seasons, and warning it was to end. If only Firefly had had that....

Buffy was WB - and another network (UPN?) picked up the last two

/but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up. Dollhouse was conceptually flawed, and Fox did Whedon a favor by making him redo the pilot.

Buffy, and Angel, were made by Fox. Fox the studio and Fox the network are run as separate businesses, but they are all part of News Corp.

And it's noticeable that Fox micromanaged the first five episodes of Dollhouse, and the universal consensus is they are the worst episodes. After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?


Ok, I was thinking Fox the network.

I agree the first few episodes were the worst, but the new pilot was much better than the original pilot (which was incorporated into later episodes, IIRC).

At any rate, I didn't find any of Dollhouse was up to Buffyverse/Firefly standards, but just my humble opinion.
 
2012-07-15 09:21:01 PM

Flint Ironstag: What does that suggest?


That he should only work in instances where he has creative control. The problem with Firefly is that he wanted to work with A level budgets with a B level resume. Buffy was not a hit in the sense of eyeballs and viewers. He and Kevin Williamson were roughly in the same place, but KW had more hit movies directly associated with him (Scream). By going to a network instead of a netlet he got a larger budget to play with, but he also got bosses he had to listen to. If Firefly had been on UPN or the WB it might (might) have succeeded where you can draw dick for ratings and still be a "hit".

Today he could say "I'm the director of the Avengers, I will do whatever the fark I want." Back then "I'm the creator of Buffy" didn't have the clout he needed to control his baby.
 
2012-07-15 09:22:03 PM

bhcompy: Yes, but the network buys the show. Without a network, the show doesn't get produced. Fox produced it, but WB bought it. Fox wasn't putting a show that averaged less than Dollhouse and Firefly on its own networks. Whedon wanted a bigger budget so he jumped to one of the big 4, but his audience isn't anywhere near the big 4. He should have went to cable or stuck with WB/UPN/CW, or gone the Raimi/Tapert route and done a first run syndication show


Dammit.
 
2012-07-15 09:26:05 PM

bhcompy: Whedon wanted a bigger budget so he jumped to one of the big 4, but his audience isn't anywhere near the big 4.


Actually, Eliza Dushku had a contract at Fox that became Dollhouse. Whedon didn't have anything to do with where it was produced at all, it was already a done before he became involved.
 
2012-07-15 09:31:49 PM
Nah, the Internet loves Whedon. We just can't comprehend the part where we're the only ones, and nobody else likes him. He's the RON PAUL of showrunners.
 
2012-07-15 09:44:28 PM

mjbok: darkjezter: She's this generation's Ted McGinley.

The Ted McGinley thing is so well known and at the same time so wrong.

He was on Happy days for a 1/4 of its total run (61/255), The Love Boat for 1/4 of its run (60/250), two seasons of Dynasty (which lasted for a couple after he left), Married with Children he was on the majority of (168 of 261), The West Wing continued for 4 more seasons after he left, etc.


But on the plus side, it made his appearance as the new voice of Aquaman on the finale episode of Batman: The Brave & The Bold all the more delicious.
 
2012-07-15 09:44:50 PM

Neeek: bhcompy: Whedon wanted a bigger budget so he jumped to one of the big 4, but his audience isn't anywhere near the big 4.

Actually, Eliza Dushku had a contract at Fox that became Dollhouse. Whedon didn't have anything to do with where it was produced at all, it was already a done before he became involved.


Exactly. And they were delighted to get him.
And I think Whedon is great, but they shouldn't have put "from the creator of Buffy" in the promos. It's a great show, but lots of people think it's a kid's show. I think that put off more people than it attracted.
 
2012-07-15 09:45:38 PM
It will be, as Whedon himself says, his biggest acting role yet.

He's acted before?

*checks IMDB*

He was Numfar???


AliceBToklasLives: [images.wikia.com image 286x355]


I had no idea until just now that was him.

And I guess I never watched enough Veronica Mars.

soundbites.typepad.com
 
2012-07-15 09:58:17 PM

darkjezter: Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.


Summer Glau doesn't cause shows to get canceled, she just gets gigs with shows that were going to be canceled anyway, there's a difference.
 
2012-07-15 10:26:50 PM

Mugato: darkjezter: Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.

Summer Glau doesn't cause shows to get canceled, she just gets gigs with shows that were going to be canceled anyway, there's a difference.


The Cape was so bad I couldn't even stick with it long enough for her character to appear. She first appeared in the second episode.
 
2012-07-15 10:49:18 PM

fusillade762: And I guess I never watched enough Veronica Mars.


Kevin Smith was also in an episode.

/Veronica Mars isn't something you can watch enough of.
 
2012-07-15 10:57:31 PM

Flint Ironstag: Buffy, and Angel, were made by Fox. Fox the studio and Fox the network are run as separate businesses, but they are all part of News Corp.

And it's noticeable that Fox micromanaged the first five episodes of Dollhouse, and the universal consensus is they are the worst episodes. After deciding not to give the show a third season they didn't bother interfering any more, and those later episodes were among the best. What does that suggest?


I remember Whedon fans telling me that the first six episodes were done for the network and then the series really took off. I watched then all and episode seven was by far the worst of all of the episodes I had seen. Whedon should have spent more time listening to the network on that one.
 
2012-07-15 11:55:58 PM

Theaetetus: Brady, a Los Angeles Dodgers player, is the first openly gay active Major League Baseball player, and finds himself married to Cheeks (co-creator Brad Bell) after a drunken night in Las Vegas.

... this sounds like it will be sensitive and insightful.


The first season was pretty funny. They did a good job of balancing humor and having heart.
 
2012-07-16 12:03:45 AM

Flint Ironstag: Neeek: bhcompy: Whedon wanted a bigger budget so he jumped to one of the big 4, but his audience isn't anywhere near the big 4.

Actually, Eliza Dushku had a contract at Fox that became Dollhouse. Whedon didn't have anything to do with where it was produced at all, it was already a done before he became involved.

Exactly. And they were delighted to get him.
And I think Whedon is great, but they shouldn't have put "from the creator of Buffy" in the promos. It's a great show, but lots of people think it's a kid's show. I think that put off more people than it attracted.


It's called Dollhouse. Why would they think it was for kids?
 
2012-07-16 02:07:14 AM
Oh come on, The Avengers movie took how many years and how many origin movies to set up? If the system didn't have some measure of faith in Whedon, there's no way in hell they would have let him manage the culmination of such a long-range project. Spare me the "industry martyr" boo-hooing.

Now Kevin Smith, there's a cult director with comic book cred that can't get a break. Forget being handed a single season TV contract. The poor dope can't even get an airplane seat without his ticket getting cancelled pre-flight.
 
2012-07-16 03:33:39 AM

NeoCortex42: darkjezter: Unless Whedon finds a way to include Summer Glau it might actually make it all 3 episodes.

Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.

Hey, Alphas is getting a second season soon. So that's at least one show you can't blame on her.


I gave up on Alphas after the first few episodes because the only character that didn't get on my nerves was hypno-chick, and she didn't get enough screen time. If they added Glau to the cast at some point, I may have to go back and watch it from when she joined up.
 
2012-07-16 09:49:41 AM

AliceBToklasLives: /but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up.


Of course because if not for Fox's interference Firefly would have lasted 100 episodes. Because tv shows set in space have such an awesome track record of success on network TV.
 
2012-07-16 10:37:35 AM

mechgreg: AliceBToklasLives: /but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up.

Of course because if not for Fox's interference Firefly would have lasted 100 episodes. Because tv shows set in space have such an awesome track record of success on network TV.


TNG? DS9? Voyager? B5? Stargate? BSG?

Doctor Who is coming up to its 50th anniversary next year...

Not saying Firefly was a guaranteed success, but when you aired the pilot that introduced the crew only after you had cancelled the series, pre empted the second and fourth episodes for baseball and made it almost impossible for anyone to find when the show would be on then it's not going to have helped.
 
2012-07-16 10:48:01 AM

Flint Ironstag: mechgreg: AliceBToklasLives: /but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up.

Of course because if not for Fox's interference Firefly would have lasted 100 episodes. Because tv shows set in space have such an awesome track record of success on network TV.

TNG? DS9? Voyager? B5? Stargate? BSG?

Doctor Who is coming up to its 50th anniversary next year...

Not saying Firefly was a guaranteed success, but when you aired the pilot that introduced the crew only after you had cancelled the series, pre empted the second and fourth episodes for baseball and made it almost impossible for anyone to find when the show would be on then it's not going to have helped.


DS9: Syndicated
Voyager: Only if you count UPN as a major network
B5: Syndicated and TNT
Stargate: Cable (Showtime then Sci-Fi)
Doctor Who: BBC
BSG: Cable (Sci-Fi)

Sci-fi, and even space sci-fi, can do well. However, it's usually not on network television.
 
2012-07-16 10:53:09 AM

Flint Ironstag: mechgreg: AliceBToklasLives: /but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up.

Of course because if not for Fox's interference Firefly would have lasted 100 episodes. Because tv shows set in space have such an awesome track record of success on network TV.

TNG? DS9? Voyager? B5? Stargate? BSG?

.


TNG: Syndicated Series
DS9: Syndicated Series
B5: Cable Series
Stargate: Cable Series
BSG: Cable Series

The only one of those shows that was on an actual broadcast television network was Voyager, and it was on UPN which was barely a network to begin with. Syndication and cable are entirely different animals with much lower budgets and way lower expectations for ratings. I am not sure but I would bet you might have to look back to the 80's to find a show set in space that was a success on a major american broadcast network.
 
2012-07-16 11:07:42 AM

mechgreg: Syndication and cable are entirely different animals with much lower budgets and way lower expectations for ratings


And first run syndication is basically dead now with Andromeda basically the last successful(in a matter of speaking) show using that distribution method, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In a way, it's kind of sad, since they produced original properties and they weren't farking reality shows.
 
2012-07-16 11:19:09 AM

bhcompy: mechgreg: Syndication and cable are entirely different animals with much lower budgets and way lower expectations for ratings

And first run syndication is basically dead now with Andromeda basically the last successful(in a matter of speaking) show using that distribution method, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In a way, it's kind of sad, since they produced original properties and they weren't farking reality shows.


I think the idea nowadays is that with so many niche cable stations, first-run syndication isn't as necessary.
 
2012-07-16 11:39:06 AM

NeoCortex42: bhcompy: mechgreg: Syndication and cable are entirely different animals with much lower budgets and way lower expectations for ratings

And first run syndication is basically dead now with Andromeda basically the last successful(in a matter of speaking) show using that distribution method, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In a way, it's kind of sad, since they produced original properties and they weren't farking reality shows.

I think the idea nowadays is that with so many niche cable stations, first-run syndication isn't as necessary.


Except the niche stations don't run that much niche programming anymore, unfortunately. Yea, Scifi still shows a few original programs and really bad scifi movies, but most of the niche stations are full of reality and/or ghosts. Even NatGeo is on the reality bandwagon. AMC has that stupid advertising exec show. IFC still kind of sticks to its guns. The last really true niche station that I watched religiously, because it actually stuck to its niche religiously, was Funimation, and that's been dropped by Verizon because they need to make room for 18 more Discovery/History/etc spinoffs to show American Pickers/Lizard Lick Towing/Ow My Balls 24/7
 
2012-07-16 11:49:28 AM

bhcompy: NeoCortex42: bhcompy: mechgreg: Syndication and cable are entirely different animals with much lower budgets and way lower expectations for ratings

And first run syndication is basically dead now with Andromeda basically the last successful(in a matter of speaking) show using that distribution method, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In a way, it's kind of sad, since they produced original properties and they weren't farking reality shows.

I think the idea nowadays is that with so many niche cable stations, first-run syndication isn't as necessary.

Except the niche stations don't run that much niche programming anymore, unfortunately. Yea, Scifi still shows a few original programs and really bad scifi movies, but most of the niche stations are full of reality and/or ghosts. Even NatGeo is on the reality bandwagon. AMC has that stupid advertising exec show. IFC still kind of sticks to its guns. The last really true niche station that I watched religiously, because it actually stuck to its niche religiously, was Funimation, and that's been dropped by Verizon because they need to make room for 18 more Discovery/History/etc spinoffs to show American Pickers/Lizard Lick Towing/Ow My Balls 24/7


Well, the niche networks seem to be horribly run and aren't very loyal to their fanbase, that's for sure. I do still think that the abundance of them has led to the decline of first-run syndication, though.

After looking at Wiki it seems like syndication is still around, but like everything else, it is primarily reality crap now.
 
2012-07-16 12:26:36 PM
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WHEDON!!!!
 
2012-07-16 12:33:17 PM

NeoCortex42: Flint Ironstag: mechgreg: AliceBToklasLives: /but yeah, Fox only screwed over Whedon on one show - Firefly, which they really did fark up.

Of course because if not for Fox's interference Firefly would have lasted 100 episodes. Because tv shows set in space have such an awesome track record of success on network TV.

TNG? DS9? Voyager? B5? Stargate? BSG?

Doctor Who is coming up to its 50th anniversary next year...

Not saying Firefly was a guaranteed success, but when you aired the pilot that introduced the crew only after you had cancelled the series, pre empted the second and fourth episodes for baseball and made it almost impossible for anyone to find when the show would be on then it's not going to have helped.

DS9: Syndicated
Voyager: Only if you count UPN as a major network
B5: Syndicated and TNT
Stargate: Cable (Showtime then Sci-Fi)
Doctor Who: BBC
BSG: Cable (Sci-Fi)

Sci-fi, and even space sci-fi, can do well. However, it's usually not on network television.


Ahh, as a Brit the distinction between your networks and the lesser channels was lost on me. I stand corrected.
 
2012-07-16 12:55:12 PM

darkjezter: Unless Whedon finds a way to include Summer Glau it might actually make it all 3 episodes.

Don't know why, but when Summer Glau appears in something the odds of it being canceled increase significantly. She's this generation's Ted McGinley.


thetvaddict.com

Counter-argument.
 
2012-07-16 01:01:36 PM

Flint Ironstag: Ahh, as a Brit the distinction between your networks and the lesser channels was lost on me. I stand corrected.


It's not lesser so much as different, at least anymore(best shows in the US are on cable/premium cable, even though they technically have lower viewership than your average broadcast network shows)
 
2012-07-16 01:05:40 PM

bhcompy: Flint Ironstag: Ahh, as a Brit the distinction between your networks and the lesser channels was lost on me. I stand corrected.

It's not lesser so much as different, at least anymore(best shows in the US are on cable/premium cable, even though they technically have lower viewership than your average broadcast network shows)


Just to add to your point: The lower viewership is what allows them to have the better shows. Since it's not expected for new shows to hit it out of the park right off the bat with ratings, they often get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to renewal, where a network would bail almost immediately.
 
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