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(New York Daily News)   NY Knicks: If you think we're going to carry three high-priced point guards next season you must be Linsane   (nydailynews.com) divider line 30
    More: Obvious, Raymond Felton, Knicks, Jeremy Lin, New York, Marcus Camby, Mike Woodson, Trail Blazers, Jason Kidd  
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2012-07-15 09:36:22 AM  
Knicks : More money than common sense.
 
2012-07-15 10:02:58 AM  
This is pretty much Woodson. Woodson didn't think Lin would fit in his system but said all the right things to quell the firestorm when it got out.

Remember, Lin's success last year came in Dan Tony's system, NOT Woodson's.
 
2012-07-15 10:03:48 AM  
Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

Lin and Melo never shared the court well and Lin will now get a chance to play 40 minutes a night in Houston with complete freedom to become a star if he ends up being that good. In New York he would've been the third fiddle under a huge spotlight and playoff expectations. Marketing wise he's already made a lot from the New York stage, and will be able to take his brand to Houston who already knows how to market him.

This should work well for both sides.
 
2012-07-15 10:08:00 AM  

coolio mack: Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

Lin and Melo never shared the court well and Lin will now get a chance to play 40 minutes a night in Houston with complete freedom to become a star if he ends up being that good. In New York he would've been the third fiddle under a huge spotlight and playoff expectations. Marketing wise he's already made a lot from the New York stage, and will be able to take his brand to Houston who already knows how to market him.

This should work well for both sides.


I know you're saying that Houston knows how to market an Asian player because of Yao, but do you honestly think that Lin wouldn't be positioned better in New York than in Houston?
 
2012-07-15 10:13:33 AM  
Wouldn't be the first time. Back in 2006, they had Stephon Marbury, Stevie Francis, and Jamal Crawford on the payroll, with Nate Robinson waiting in the wings.
 
2012-07-15 10:47:36 AM  
I think it's a smart move, the expectations in NY can be insane. Better to move to a lower pressure environment where you can stand out.
 
2012-07-15 10:52:46 AM  

coolio mack: Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

Lin and Melo never shared the court well and Lin will now get a chance to play 40 minutes a night in Houston with complete freedom to become a star if he ends up being that good. In New York he would've been the third fiddle under a huge spotlight and playoff expectations. Marketing wise he's already made a lot from the New York stage, and will be able to take his brand to Houston who already knows how to market him.

This should work well for both sides.


I agree with this... I think.

Houston completely jacked up the market price for Lin (knowing) NY would have to overpay to keep him. So I'm thinking Houston had two contingency plans:

1] Sign Lin. Sell tickets and keep the coveted asian & asian-american demographic interested in your basketball team *eyeroll*
2] Mortgage the whole team for one season Dwight Howard

/we still don't know if Lin is good
 
2012-07-15 10:59:57 AM  
Sub-point 1a] Build your team around Lin
 
2012-07-15 11:05:31 AM  
Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago

Too bad they got rid of the coach that helped Felton have his best year as a pro.

I think Lin can definitely play in the NBA at a high level. I do have some concerns about his durability based on his aggressive driving style of bball. Knowing the knicks brass and their history of decision making under the Dolan admin, I'm sure Lin will develop into a super star.
 
2012-07-15 11:07:23 AM  
As a non-Knicks fan in the Knicks market, this bums me out. The Knicks are going to be a six seed that plays really ugly basketball.
 
2012-07-15 11:19:37 AM  

star_topology: 1] Sign Lin. Sell tickets and keep the coveted asian & asian-american demographic interested in your basketball team *eyeroll*
2] Mortgage the whole team for one season Dwight Howard


This whole "Let's go get Dwight" thing didn't work out, but Lin/Lamb/White/Jones could be a very good young core to build on going forward. Especially if you figure they might be bad for the next two years and have a couple more lottery picks to help fill out the roster.
 
2012-07-15 11:48:21 AM  

MattyFridays: coolio mack: Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

Lin and Melo never shared the court well and Lin will now get a chance to play 40 minutes a night in Houston with complete freedom to become a star if he ends up being that good. In New York he would've been the third fiddle under a huge spotlight and playoff expectations. Marketing wise he's already made a lot from the New York stage, and will be able to take his brand to Houston who already knows how to market him.

This should work well for both sides.

I know you're saying that Houston knows how to market an Asian player because of Yao, but do you honestly think that Lin wouldn't be positioned better in New York than in Houston?


If he just ends up being an average player that the Knicks are paying 30m for in year three of that deal (including the luxury tax penalties), he'll be ridiculed. This isn't a novelty thing anymore - he'd have to legitimately become a star type player to thrive in New York on the marketing side. He already took some heat for not playing in the playoffs and he'll have some big expectations there, so it would be a boom or bust situation.

Houston is the perfect storm for him because of the developed marketing channels overseas, and that they legitimately will build around him assuming they don't get Dwight Howard. Houston is a huge media market too so he'll still be in a major city, but without the expectations of having to do anything big right away.

Finally, general fan interest will remain high because people want to find out if he's legit or not. I remember on this site during his 10 game run last year, a couple people said that they would take him over Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo.
 
2012-07-15 12:01:11 PM  
It's going to be kind of funny if Houston ends up with both Lin and Asik. Not going to help their "Dwight or bust" plan given how it will limit to some extent how many of Orlando's bad contracts they can take back. And they'll be paying both Lin and Asik 15 million a piece in a couple of years. I'm pretty sure Houston expected at least one of the Knicks or Bulls to match. Omer's a darn good defensive center but he's hilarious on the offensive end.
 
2012-07-15 12:13:18 PM  
This is no way to treat a future Hall of Famer!
 
2012-07-15 12:28:50 PM  
Houston is paying an awful lot for a guy who had one good month.
 
2012-07-15 12:57:55 PM  
This is just like the time I tried to raise the price of Chad Henne in my fantasy football auction to $10 dollars, then I got stuck with him.
 
2012-07-15 01:14:05 PM  

GQueue: And they'll be paying both Lin and Asik 15 million a piece in a couple of years.


I really don't think they'll care since the average of the contract will be the cap hit and not the 15 mil
 
2012-07-15 01:46:56 PM  

coolio mack: Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

This should work well for both sides.


Raymond Felton is an average (at best) starting point guard and the 17/9 two years ago was bloated by playing in D'antoni's offense. Kidd was horrible last season. I don't think Lin is anything special either and the Rockets are probably overpaying for him, but this isn't an upgrade for the Knicks.
 
2012-07-15 01:50:41 PM  
Isn't the whole 'Asian market' thing overblown? I seem to remember Kobe being the most popular player in China even while Yao was playing. They don't seem to have the same root for the guy that kind of looks like me deal that other cultures do.
 
2012-07-15 02:13:09 PM  

JonPace: Isn't the whole 'Asian market' thing overblown? I seem to remember Kobe being the most popular player in China even while Yao was playing. They don't seem to have the same root for the guy that kind of looks like me deal that other cultures do.


Lin had a huge following amongst Asian-Americans, but I dunno if he really means that much to asian countries.
 
2012-07-15 02:21:30 PM  

JonPace: Isn't the whole 'Asian market' thing overblown? I seem to remember Kobe being the most popular player in China even while Yao was playing. They don't seem to have the same root for the guy that kind of looks like me deal that other cultures do


Linsanity was pretty big in China too apparently at least from media reports, although I'm not sure if he got to the Kobe level or even Derrick Rose level (Rose is really popular there, one of the reasons he got such a huge shoe deal from Adidas this last year).
 
2012-07-15 03:09:31 PM  
Twenty...five...games. That's what this is based on. Congratulations to Lin & he's entitled to all the money they want to throw his way, but the next time you hear the owners complaining about salaries, please remember they're the ones driving this kind of lunacy.
 
2012-07-15 03:12:53 PM  

bahamasorbust: coolio mack: Great move by the Knicks going to get Felton. He put up 17 points and 9 assists with the Knicks two years ago, and he signed a 3 year/10m contract which is great value for a starting point. Add that with the 3 years Kidd just got and that's a pretty good combination to set up Melo and Amare for the rest of their time there.

This should work well for both sides.

Raymond Felton is an average (at best) starting point guard and the 17/9 two years ago was bloated by playing in D'antoni's offense. Kidd was horrible last season. I don't think Lin is anything special either and the Rockets are probably overpaying for him, but this isn't an upgrade for the Knicks.


It is a salary cap move. Felton has upside still, not much he seems pretty limited but he doesn't have to play more then a Derick Fisher roll here. Woodson Is not much a pg loving coach though so I think Kidd and Felton are a great move at this point. Lin would have been to pricing in year three not to screw up the chance of having a healthy move. The rockets played that well..
 
2012-07-15 03:31:49 PM  
$5 million a year is chump change in the NBA. Houston fans will adore him, and I think he's the real deal.

What's not to like?
 
2012-07-15 04:18:49 PM  
 
2012-07-15 04:43:40 PM  

zarberg: Looks like Kidd is starting off in true Knicks fashion.


Does that mean they need Lin now?

But seriously...good job Kidd..
 
2012-07-15 05:16:53 PM  
Houston has lost their mind this offseason, way overpaying players and going after Howard when he wants nothing to do with them.
 
2012-07-15 07:50:04 PM  

JerseyTim: As a non-Knicks fan in the Knicks market, this bums me out. The Knicks are going to be a six seed that plays really ugly basketball.


I'll simply swear off the Knicks. Fark them; Dolan makes Donald Sterling sound like Mark Cuban when it comes to basketball moves.
 
2012-07-16 08:00:32 PM  
Was always a fan of Felton but if the Knicks start out shiatty the "could have Lin" stories are going to be nauseating.
I hope Melo and Stat are happy, this is their team now.
 
2012-07-16 10:32:16 PM  

Rwa2play: JerseyTim: As a non-Knicks fan in the Knicks market, this bums me out. The Knicks are going to be a six seed that plays really ugly basketball.

I'll simply swear off the Knicks. Fark them; Dolan makes Donald Sterling sound like Mark Cuban when it comes to basketball moves.


woah woah there, let's not talk crazy talk. Dolans getting there, but he's got a heck of a tenure to beat. plus guys ACLs and kneecaps have to start exploding randomly. Dolan at least seems like he wants to win (granted he goes about it like he doesn't), whilst i never feel Sterling cares as long as money is coming in. also, as a Lakers fan, RIP Clipper Darell.
 
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