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2012-07-15 08:52:34 AM

Rufus Lee King: When I was eight years old (1965) we would just remrefraggin on the renfro e\with geotge wallace. Damn r\you chykkins.

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Now that's some authentic frontier gibberish.
 
2012-07-15 08:59:13 AM
First I was going to ask what an LZ was, then I read the thread and new questions formed in my mind.

0.o
 
2012-07-15 09:04:40 AM
Done in one.

/what was done, I have no idea
 
2012-07-15 09:04:55 AM
CSB- when I was a high school exchange student to Norway, phones calls from the States cost $2/minute and no one had email. Waiting two weeks for a response from a letter could be rough, but in the end it taught me to focus on the norske. Not that doing so should've been difficult, it was like a cold and dark Rivendell. I could not imagine my mom calling all the time.

/off my flaxen-haired beauty lawn
 
2012-07-15 09:08:14 AM

thisispete: Rufus Lee King: When I was eight years old (1965) we would just remrefraggin on the renfro e\with geotge wallace. Damn r\you chykkins.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x294]

Now that's some authentic frontier gibberish.


Robbuh!
 
2012-07-15 09:17:11 AM
i1114.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-15 09:18:24 AM
15-20 years ago when I was a kid, me and my brother and all our friends would go off on our bikes and play in the woods all day long, building forts and getting lost and exploring.


According to society today, it's a miracle that everyone I've ever known in my life survived the 80's and 90's. You can't ride a bike anymore because it's "too dangerous". You can't go play in the woods anymore because it's "too dangerous" and they tore them down to build some SuperMegaImportedToxicshiatFromChinaMart anyway, which actually shut down and moved a few blocks down, leaving a gigantic rotting carcass of a building left where kids used to enjoy their lives, but is now simply commercial outdoor mall blight. You can't go out of sight of your parents anymore unless you have a cell phone because omg there's no way children can survive this DANGEROUS WORLD without being in constant contact with your parents despite eleventy billion generations of life doing so without a problem before they were invented. You can't talk to strangers anymore because OMG RAPIST MURDERER so everyone, if they even bother going outside anymore, buries their farking heads into their zombified braindead iPaidTooMuchForThisPieceOfImportedChineseshiatDevices, ignoring everyone else in the world because EVERYONE IS A DANGER TO YOU OMG!!!!!


If I ever have kids (not looking likely at the moment), I'm certain I'd be considered the Worst Parent Ever for not being a helicopter.

/get off my lawn
//because it's too dangerous to stand on it because of all the chemicals!~!~#
 
2012-07-15 09:28:03 AM

MithrandirBooga:

/get off my lawn
//because it's too dangerous to stand on it because of all the chemicals!~!~#


Back in the day, all we had to fear was dog turds and jarts
 
2012-07-15 09:31:25 AM

clowncar on fire: MithrandirBooga:

/get off my lawn
//because it's too dangerous to stand on it because of all the chemicals!~!~#

Back in the day, all we had to fear was dog turds and jarts


Now that is something that has definitely changed for the better since I was a boy. There's a lot fewer dog turds on footpaths these days.
 
2012-07-15 09:42:39 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

But how will they learn the classics?
 
2012-07-15 09:44:41 AM
Reading that article took 3 minutes of my time I'll never get back. BORING!
 
2012-07-15 09:52:05 AM

MithrandirBooga: 15-20 years ago when I was a kid, me and my brother and all our friends would go off on our bikes and play in the woods all day long, building forts and getting lost and exploring.


According to society today, it's a miracle that everyone I've ever known in my life survived the 80's and 90's. You can't ride a bike anymore because it's "too dangerous". You can't go play in the woods anymore because it's "too dangerous" and they tore them down to build some SuperMegaImportedToxicshiatFromChinaMart anyway, which actually shut down and moved a few blocks down, leaving a gigantic rotting carcass of a building left where kids used to enjoy their lives, but is now simply commercial outdoor mall blight. You can't go out of sight of your parents anymore unless you have a cell phone because omg there's no way children can survive this DANGEROUS WORLD without being in constant contact with your parents despite eleventy billion generations of life doing so without a problem before they were invented. You can't talk to strangers anymore because OMG RAPIST MURDERER so everyone, if they even bother going outside anymore, buries their farking heads into their zombified braindead iPaidTooMuchForThisPieceOfImportedChineseshiatDevices, ignoring everyone else in the world because EVERYONE IS A DANGER TO YOU OMG!!!!!


If I ever have kids (not looking likely at the moment), I'm certain I'd be considered the Worst Parent Ever for not being a helicopter.

/get off my lawn
//because it's too dangerous to stand on it because of all the chemicals!~!~#


Same thing here. I used to go out into the woods with my friends about 15 to 20 years ago and explore the adjacent auto graveyard. Can't imagine that going on too much these days.
 
2012-07-15 09:54:00 AM
MithrandirBooga:
If I ever have kids (not looking likely at the moment), I'm certain I'd be considered the Worst Parent Ever for not being a helicopter.

By then, the worm may have turned. Helicopter parenting already has a bad name (even if lots of people still do it).
 
2012-07-15 09:56:42 AM
Hal5423:
I used to go out into the woods with my friends about 15 to 20 years ago and explore the adjacent auto graveyard.

We had ravines, no doubt full of pedophiles. Invisible ones apparently, since we never saw any.*

* but statistically, probably at least several of my friends were being molested by a family member. Oh the deeply farked up irony :(
 
2012-07-15 10:16:19 AM

No Such Agency: * but statistically, probably at least several of my friends were being molested by a family member. Oh the deeply farked up irony :(


This, as much as it sucks.

There are people out there who are a danger to your children, parents. And most of the time, they are you. Other than that, keep an eye on teachers and other close, trusted relations to your children.

Random assholes overwhelmingly do not want to fark your kid. It's just easier to villainize them than actually swallow the ugly facts and watch out for your kids in a much more nuanced and subjective way than "Don't go outside."
 
2012-07-15 10:26:14 AM
Operation Hastings?
 
2012-07-15 10:42:05 AM
i.ytimg.com
 
2012-07-15 11:02:46 AM
Used to be you would save up to be able to afford to send the kids to summer camp. Sure, the little snots would get all clingy and crying about getting on the bus. But once that bus rumbled out of sight, Mom and Dad got to go home, break out the liquor cabinet, and act like carefree adults on a Vegas-level binge for the next two weeks.

You'd get those letters from camp, complaining about no TV, how scary the woods were, and how their friend Howard got mauled by a bear. But that stuff built character.

Now get off my lawn.
 
2012-07-15 11:11:26 AM

clowncar on fire: MithrandirBooga:

/get off my lawn
//because it's too dangerous to stand on it because of all the chemicals!~!~#

Back in the day, all we had to fear was dog turds and jarts


That's because we didn't have 24/7 "news" that showed police chases on a freeway 2000 miles away that we don't give a shait about. Also we didn't hear about every teacher across the country who farked a student. We didn't have that 24/7 "news" trying to scare us by telling us that everyone is out to get you. We didn't have yards that had 6 foot high privacy fences that make it look like each of those yards is a small prison.

No. All we had to worry about was the "wacky woman on the corner" who would yell at us because we were "playing too loud," or the yard that had the big barking dog that if your ball ended up in that yard, "forget it, you'll never get it back." Or the "guy in the grey house on the next block. he's a little weird, so stay away from him."

I'll bet anyone here $100 that there were the same number of teachers farking their students, and there were the same number of "jerry sandusky's." You just didn't hear about it that much.

But today, kids have to have "life coaches" because parents have no idea how actually be a parent and guide their kids lives in their life decisions.
 
2012-07-15 11:25:39 AM
Came here to learn what LZ is, leaving confused and gaseous.
 
2012-07-15 11:38:47 AM
LZ=landing zone

It's where you land a helicopter in battle. A hot LZ is one where the enemy is shooting at you right where you are landing
 
2012-07-15 12:19:01 PM

MithrandirBooga: 15-20 years ago when I was a kid, me and my brother and all our friends would go off on our bikes and play in the woods all day long, building forts and getting lost and exploring.


15-20 years ago, it was the years 1992-1997, and we were already biatching about your overprotective parents. Yes, yours. And mine.

/csb
 
2012-07-15 12:24:21 PM

MBrady: That's because we didn't have 24/7 "news" that showed police chases on a freeway 2000 miles away that we don't give a shait about.


The OP was talking about 15-20 years ago--1992 through 1997.

i.somethingawful.com

I remember the last family vacation I went on, either 1990 or 1991, which went as far west as Flagstaff, AZ. They had LA TV stations on the local cable. I wondered how in the world they ever covered any news, because the morning news was filled with car chases and apartment fires.
 
2012-07-15 12:42:18 PM
I blame technology, most specifically the Internet.

Think about it... The moment the Internet became ubiquitous the world turned to shiat.

And yet here we are.
 
2012-07-15 12:56:25 PM
One more link, talking about how parenting styles of the 1990s (you know, 15-20 years ago) led to the pussified high schoolers of today:

Link

I don't know why I feel the need to drive it home. Maybe I just don't want to see people in their early 20s to pretend their youth was all Tom Sawyer when it probably wasn't.

I mean...hell, ever heard anyone going on about what a wonderful world the 1950s were? Before I left a newspaper job in 2011, we found a bunch of papers from the 1950s. This was in a small town, and hell, at that time a lot of people didn't even have electricity yet, or paved roads, around here. The papers were full of horrific shiat like you see today. People weren't isolated from it, they weren't sheltered from it, they just don't remember it. Look at all of you who have a rosy view of the 90s, for crying out loud. Some of you were born in the decade! You have as much reason to be nostalgic for the 1990s as I have to be nostalgic for the 1970s. I was 5 when that decade ended. I know nothing of the 1970s that I haven't read in a book. Well...if I watch a movie made in the 70s, I recognize a lot of the cars, fashion, and decorating. That's about it. I feel like a little kid when I watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I have happy memories of those early years. Does that mean the 1970s were a time of unicorns and rainbows?

I mean, when I think back to growing up in the 80s, I remember times when I went off into the woods, either by myself or with my friends, and I forget about how my parents weren't much different than modern parents. Plus, I lived (and still live) in the country, and that makes a difference. I see the crotchfruit out running about on their own. Just because parents won't let their kids go 50ft in suburban cul-de-sac hell doesn't mean the rest of the world is like that.

Please, people...don't be nostalgic for your youth in the 90s. Your parents sucked as bad as today's parents. If anything, there are more genuinely shiatty parents. And don't tell me the world was a better place when we didn't know about people like Jerry Sandusky. That's like saying the world was a better place when we didn't hear much about rape and spouse abuse.
 
2012-07-15 01:01:42 PM
For all you out there trying to avoid being a helicopter parent, get a really good umbrella insurance policy. Because when your free range kid does something in front of a pile snowflakes, one flake will inevitably try to be a show off, and pull the same stunt without training. Then, the helicopter parents sue the 'negligent' parents.

And trying to limit your free range kid to only playing with other free range kids doesn't always work out.
 
2012-07-15 01:21:57 PM
How bout this people:

STOP HAVING SO MANY FARKING KIDS!!!!1

Why does no one have just one anymore? Is it a "play date" thing? What?
 
2012-07-15 01:33:42 PM

theMightyRegeya: MithrandirBooga: 15-20 years ago when I was a kid, me and my brother and all our friends would go off on our bikes and play in the woods all day long, building forts and getting lost and exploring.

15-20 years ago, it was the years 1992-1997, and we were already biatching about your overprotective parents. Yes, yours. And mine.

/csb


It's really a phenomenon that started in the inner suburbs of prosperous cities then spread to further and further exurbs, as commuters brought their development and fear with them, so it repeated every decade in different places.

/Calvin and Hobbes was the last lovesong to the great wild outdoor upbringing.
//Remember when every show involved kids outside? Every time I'm forced to watch Nick and MTV now, I've never seen one outside the city or suburbs.
///I wonder what kids are being robbed of, growing up in steel and concrete jungles. I know, I know, this was the reality for black kids for those same decades whites got all that suburban playtime.
 
2012-07-15 02:06:50 PM

darch: How bout this people:

STOP HAVING SO MANY FARKING KIDS!!!!1

Why does no one have just one anymore? Is it a "play date" thing? What?


Birth rates continue to fall. According to the Census Bureau, the average number of children per family household in the United States is less than one: it's 0.94.
 
2012-07-15 02:07:04 PM

No Such Agency: Hal5423:
I used to go out into the woods with my friends about 15 to 20 years ago and explore the adjacent auto graveyard.

We had ravines, no doubt full of pedophiles. Invisible ones apparently, since we never saw any.*

* but statistically, probably at least several of my friends were being molested by a family member. Oh the deeply farked up irony :(


I spent 12 years in Catholic school and never got molested, Go figure,
 
2012-07-15 02:33:46 PM
The scariest part of the article to me was the part about students showing up at college having never been away from their parents!

Those are some MESSED UP kids. I remember doing sleepovers for YEARS, and that was BEFORE high school. Once HS hit, I couldn't wait to get away from my parents. A "good day" was one in which I had managed to rise and leave before them and arrive home and go to bed after. And I had good parents! I just wanted my freedom about 3 years before I actually got it.

These kids described in the article? Gonna have mental health issues Freud would have given his eye teeth to study.
 
2012-07-15 03:04:36 PM
There's an actual ICD-9 code for homesickness. Amazing.
 
2012-07-15 07:02:36 PM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: No Such Agency: Hal5423:
I used to go out into the woods with my friends about 15 to 20 years ago and explore the adjacent auto graveyard.

We had ravines, no doubt full of pedophiles. Invisible ones apparently, since we never saw any.*

* but statistically, probably at least several of my friends were being molested by a family member. Oh the deeply farked up irony :(

I spent 12 years in Catholic school and never got molested, Go figure,


You sound regretful.
 
2012-07-16 10:13:18 AM
grew up riding our bikes everywhere, going to the woods or bayou with our daisy air rifles shooting things, catching turtles etc.....then I got my three wheeler ( yep thats right, the thing that got banned from being sold in the US in 1987) and now our range was extended and we had C02 rifles instead. Soon after, one of my older friends got his license and we then went even further to take the easy chicks to woods even more remote so we could drink, smoke, etc....I never had a curfew....my mom just relied on the fact that everyone else did and when that happened, I 'd be home by 2:30am, just enough time to get some sleep before my p/t job that started at 8 am on Saturday morning.
 
2012-07-16 04:28:08 PM

Langdon Alger: .....then I got my three wheeler ( yep thats right, the thing that got banned from being sold in the US in 1987).


what is this three wheeler thing? Not a Big Wheel, is it?
 
2012-07-16 05:26:54 PM
its an ATV created by Honda in the early 70's then copied by others like Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki.. I inherited my older brothers 110cc (82 or 83 model) medium sized model, he went to the one of the largest a 200cc at the time (84 or 85). The 200cc one still runs out at my property.
 
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