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2012-07-15 08:23:02 AM
*checks the date to make sure it's not April 1st*

ok now i'm out of explanations for this story....
 
2012-07-15 08:24:08 AM
I haven't read The Hobbit since I was like 12 or something but I can't think how to stretch that out for three movies. It's like Bilbo's weekend adventure compared to Frodo's thing. I wonder if they are going to put in a bunch from the The Silmarillion or something which sounds like a good idea to me, you can't film that book anyway.

Problem is every time I hear the name Bilbo Baggins I start humming that damn Leonard Nimoy song:

Bilbo (Bilbo!) King of the Wild Frontier!

Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free.
Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,
Killed him a bear when he was only three.

Bilbo (Bilbo!) King of the Wild Frontier!
 
2012-07-15 08:25:01 AM
I guess this is the next logical step after incessant reboots -- if you think you have a decent story, then split into multiple movies or TV seasons.
 
2012-07-15 08:29:58 AM

The_Knarf: *checks the date to make sure it's not April 1st*

ok now i'm out of explanations for this story....


The third movie: All Smaug and The Battle of Five Armies, All The Time!

ALL OF THE BATTLES!!!

/I am hoping this is because of the expansion of the entire "raid on Dol Guldor" subplot.
 
2012-07-15 08:36:40 AM
I could see the book being split with getting out of the cave in the Misty Mountains and then the Elves in Mirkwood. So the third piece would be all about Dale and the Lonely Mountain and the Battle of the Five Armies.

Or, if you cut it after the barrel riders scene you could have the climax of the second movie be the camera panning up to show the massive Lonely Mountain and roll credits.

You could also end the first movie with everyone riding on the backs of the eagles on their way to Beorn's house.
 
2012-07-15 08:40:28 AM
They are going to put the Tom Bombadil scenes they didn't use in Lord of the Rings in it.
 
2012-07-15 08:43:42 AM
Or turn one of the films into "The Story of Gollum".
 
2012-07-15 08:45:15 AM
Oy, and I thought splitting it into two was a bloody big farkin' stretch.

If we ever get a zombie Tolkien running around Oxford, we'll know why....

/please, Pete, just leave it as extended footage for fark's sake
 
2012-07-15 08:59:18 AM
Well, this approach worked really well for the "Wheel of Time" novels, didn't it?
 
2012-07-15 09:00:29 AM
It's one book, about as thick as each of the 3 parts of Lord of the Rings. One film should be fine, 2 perhaps if you add a lot to it.. 3? Oh come on now.
 
2012-07-15 09:01:29 AM

timharrod: Well, this approach worked really well for the "Wheel of Time" novels, didn't it?


We'll find out when the very last book comes out.. but the last 2 were better than most of the rest.
 
Skr
2012-07-15 09:17:59 AM
I liked the visuals in Peter Jackson's 'Rings' films. Getting two or three more movies in the same vein sounds like a good experience. As was, and has been, stated -the appendices have a shiat load of information that can be used for the films. I can only hope that Peter Jackson's team can expand small tidbits of world happenings into something that is enjoyable to watch.
 
2012-07-15 09:19:24 AM
This trend didn't really start until the Prequels were in the can. I bet Lucas is kicking himself.
 
2012-07-15 09:21:26 AM
So I read The Hobbit recently, and while the book is really short and moves fast, there is significant room for expansion. There's pretty much no characterization for like 6 of the dwarves, and there is a massive amount going on in the background. Bard, for example, is introduced almost two pages before he kills Smaug and it feels like it comes out of nowhere.

I can't find a good breakdown for this book in 3 parts. The best one I can come up with has the second move way way too dark.

1: Into through Rivendell, misty mountains, beorn, till they split at mirkwood.
2: Dwarves adventures in Mirkwood and the Raid on Dol Guldur, till the Dwarves are in Dale and wherever Gandalf is.
3: Ascent of the Lonely Mountain, Smaug, Battle of Five Armies, and the return trip for Bilbo.

Of course, done well I think it could be awesome, and I'll still buy the extended editions of all 3

/also, spoilers
 
2012-07-15 09:22:51 AM
I see this as a good thing!
It probably means that at least 1 hour of each movie will
focus on the exploits of Tom Bombadil.

/tree & leaf FTW
 
2012-07-15 09:26:10 AM
Don't forget the lengthy extended editions of LOTR. There was ample material overall to have four or even five films. If Jackson films enough, then The Hobbit could definitely stretch out to 3 movies.
 
2012-07-15 09:30:15 AM

f4rmerbob: I can't find a good breakdown for this book in 3 parts. The best one I can come up with has the second move way way too dark.

1: Into through Rivendell, misty mountains, beorn, till they split at mirkwood.
2: Dwarves adventures in Mirkwood and the Raid on Dol Guldur, till the Dwarves are in Dale and wherever Gandalf is.
3: Ascent of the Lonely Mountain, Smaug, Battle of Five Armies, and the return trip for Bilbo.

Of course, done well I think it could be awesome, and I'll still buy the extended editions of all 3


That's pretty much exactly how I would have broken them up as well. I think that the second movie being darker actually works pretty well in trilogies (Empire Strikes Back, anyone?)

Regardless, we're getting two movies for certain. If they added a third you have to know that there would just be ALOT of fighting in it.

/which I wouldn't mind at all...
 
2012-07-15 09:35:51 AM
They're raiding the appendices. So the following might be in play: The tale of Aragorn and Arwen, the attempt to recolonize Moria, Gandalf's infiltration of Dol Guldur, and the subsequent attack on the fortress, and Saruman's search for the ring and his ultimate corruption when he's snagged by Sauron.

/or it could just be Tom Bombadil partying with Radagast the Brown.
 
2012-07-15 09:36:56 AM
The cartoon managed to do it in one film. They could just follow that.

/actually likes the cartoon
 
2012-07-15 09:37:37 AM

timharrod: Well, this approach worked really well for the "Wheel of Time" novels, didn't it?


True, but it's also much more dense with action, events, and things going on than The Lord of the Rings, which has 40-page political discussions (which I love) and lengthy descriptions of every tree between the Shire and Mordor. The Hobbit as two flicks is not a stretch, in my eyes.

Three, though. Unless these will be three brisk 90-minute pictures -- which I'd be okay with! -- that seems like an awful stretch. The appendixes have some good material on the White Council and raiding Dol Guldur, but not enough to fill out a huge amount of running time unless Jackson and crew invent some Middle Earth stories. Wouldn't be too keen on them doing too much inventing. Those were the worst parts of the LOTR movies.
 
2012-07-15 09:40:48 AM

born_yesterday: The_Knarf: *checks the date to make sure it's not April 1st*

ok now i'm out of explanations for this story....

The third movie: All Smaug and The Battle of Five Armies, All The Time!

ALL OF THE BATTLES!!!

/I am hoping this is because of the expansion of the entire "raid on Dol Guldor" subplot.


That is both my hope, and my guess. They're going to actually follow Gandalf when he leaves Bilbo and the Dwarves so we can see what he is up to, and also tie Bilbo's story into the larger issues facing Middle-Earth. It would probably be somewhat jarring within the movie to have Gandalf coming and going at random points in the plot (like he does in the book), without any explanation.
 
2012-07-15 09:42:04 AM
Just as long as the final one doesn't have a 'I have to pee' ending.
 
2012-07-15 09:44:51 AM
Is he filming this in real time, or what?
 
2012-07-15 09:46:31 AM

f4rmerbob: Bard, for example, is introduced almost two pages before he kills Smaug and it feels like it comes out of nowhere.


I can't help but think Bard was Aragorn before Aragorn existed in JRRT's mind.
 
2012-07-15 09:48:31 AM
Jackson knows how to pad a movie. I thought King Kong would never farking die.
 
2012-07-15 09:48:47 AM

1stgenwhtrash: They're raiding the appendices. So the following might be in play: The tale of Aragorn and Arwen, the attempt to recolonize Moria, Gandalf's infiltration of Dol Guldur, and the subsequent attack on the fortress, and Saruman's search for the ring and his ultimate corruption when he's snagged by Sauron.

/or it could just be Tom Bombadil partying with Radagast the Brown.


I'd have no problems with adding any of that.

The appendices, not Tom.
 
2012-07-15 09:50:17 AM

Alphax: It's one book, about as thick as each of the 3 parts of Lord of the Rings. One film should be fine, 2 perhaps if you add a lot to it.. 3? Oh come on now.


As others have said ITT, there is a LOT of room for expansion in the Hobbit. The original LOTR books fleshed out every detail of everything that happened, so they had to be cut down, but the Hobbit covers MAJOR plot points very quickly. I mean, Bilbo's whole journey home takes about 1 page, while Frodo's journey home in LOTR takes basically the entirety of Book 6. Admittedly, Frodo had farther to travel, but it demonstrates how much room for expansion exists in the story of the hobbit.

f4rmerbob: There's pretty much no characterization for like 6 of the dwarves, and there is a massive amount going on in the background. Bard, for example, is introduced almost two pages before he kills Smaug and it feels like it comes out of nowhere.


Also, these. Between these things, and actually putting the whole Gandalf/Dol Guldur thing into the story, there is easily room for 3 movies.
 
2012-07-15 09:50:48 AM

shoegaze99: The Hobbit as two flicks is not a stretch, in my eyes.


Thing is, if LotR has way too much plot to pack into three movies as it is, the Hobbit has issues if you tell the story like it is. In the last quarter of the book, the characterizations all go to shiat, and suddenly it's no longer about Bilbo growing as an adventurer; it's Thorin sitting on a pile of gold eating MREs and telling the world to fark off. I get that it's supposed to be some sort of sickness, but compared to the rest of the book (culminating in an awesomely written confrontation between Bilbo and Smaug) it's like JRRT is making a four-course meal and when he gets to the last course he suddenly just starts winging it.
 
2012-07-15 09:56:06 AM
Two movies is ok....not three.

BUT! All of you who think it can't be done have not read the book. Go rest your eyes in a dark pool of "IthinkIknoweverything.com"
 
2012-07-15 09:58:25 AM

dragonchild: shoegaze99: The Hobbit as two flicks is not a stretch, in my eyes.

Thing is, if LotR has way too much plot to pack into three movies as it is, the Hobbit has issues if you tell the story like it is. In the last quarter of the book, the characterizations all go to shiat, and suddenly it's no longer about Bilbo growing as an adventurer; it's Thorin sitting on a pile of gold eating MREs and telling the world to fark off. I get that it's supposed to be some sort of sickness, but compared to the rest of the book (culminating in an awesomely written confrontation between Bilbo and Smaug) it's like JRRT is making a four-course meal and when he gets to the last course he suddenly just starts winging it.


asshat telling of the tale. You are entitled to your false opinion of it, but at no point was any of the story "winging it". What that means to me, is that you got bored and flipped pages.
 
2012-07-15 10:09:01 AM

1stgenwhtrash: They're raiding the appendices. So the following might be in play: The tale of Aragorn and Arwen, the attempt to recolonize Moria, Gandalf's infiltration of Dol Guldur, and the subsequent attack on the fortress, and Saruman's search for the ring and his ultimate corruption when he's snagged by Sauron.

/or it could just be Tom Bombadil partying with Radagast the Brown.


Didn't Gandalf find Thrain in Dol Guldur well before the start of The Hobbit? It would be cool to see that, but it would ruin the feel of the entire movie if it started anywhere but where the book starts with Bilbo.

Also without the singing this movie will be lacking. "That's What Bilbo Baggins Hates" could be awesome (and fun). I would love to see that entire scene done in one shot, demonstrating how truly exhausting that night was for Bilbo with the confusing and comical introduction of all the dwaves and the massive mood whiplashes they put Bilbo through till he passes out. The scene would then be mirrored at the end of the first movie when they visit Beorn.
 
2012-07-15 10:21:11 AM

f4rmerbob: and comical introduction of all the dwaves


The dwarves are comic relief? There's going to be comparisons with that Snow White movie earlier this summer.
 
2012-07-15 10:23:22 AM

Gestankfaust: dragonchild: shoegaze99: The Hobbit as two flicks is not a stretch, in my eyes.

Thing is, if LotR has way too much plot to pack into three movies as it is, the Hobbit has issues if you tell the story like it is. In the last quarter of the book, the characterizations all go to shiat, and suddenly it's no longer about Bilbo growing as an adventurer; it's Thorin sitting on a pile of gold eating MREs and telling the world to fark off. I get that it's supposed to be some sort of sickness, but compared to the rest of the book (culminating in an awesomely written confrontation between Bilbo and Smaug) it's like JRRT is making a four-course meal and when he gets to the last course he suddenly just starts winging it.

asshat telling of the tale. You are entitled to your false opinion of it, but at no point was any of the story "winging it". What that means to me, is that you got bored and flipped pages.


By definition, an opinion cannot be false.
 
2012-07-15 10:31:29 AM

penguinfark: Gestankfaust: dragonchild: shoegaze99: The Hobbit as two flicks is not a stretch, in my eyes.

Thing is, if LotR has way too much plot to pack into three movies as it is, the Hobbit has issues if you tell the story like it is. In the last quarter of the book, the characterizations all go to shiat, and suddenly it's no longer about Bilbo growing as an adventurer; it's Thorin sitting on a pile of gold eating MREs and telling the world to fark off. I get that it's supposed to be some sort of sickness, but compared to the rest of the book (culminating in an awesomely written confrontation between Bilbo and Smaug) it's like JRRT is making a four-course meal and when he gets to the last course he suddenly just starts winging it.

asshat telling of the tale. You are entitled to your false opinion of it, but at no point was any of the story "winging it". What that means to me, is that you got bored and flipped pages.

By definition, an opinion cannot be false.


But can be called "asshattery"
 
2012-07-15 10:32:19 AM

f4rmerbob: Didn't Gandalf find Thrain in Dol Guldur well before the start of The Hobbit? It would be cool to see that, but it would ruin the feel of the entire movie if it started anywhere but where the book starts with Bilbo.


Gandalf tells Thorin about doing that at the party when he gives them the key. So it would probably be done as an extended flashback.

/not gonna do spoilers for a book out since the thirties.
 
2012-07-15 10:41:31 AM

Mugato: f4rmerbob: and comical introduction of all the dwaves

The dwarves are comic relief?


More accurate to say that Bilbo's reaction to the dwarves is comic relief. But yes, in the early parts of the story the dwarves are not fierce warriors, they're a big pain in Bilbo's neck. The whole story grows more serious as it progresses, as do the characters.
 
2012-07-15 10:44:46 AM

dragonchild: In the last quarter of the book, the characterizations all go to shiat, and suddenly it's no longer about Bilbo growing as an adventurer; it's Thorin sitting on a pile of gold eating MREs and telling the world to fark off.


It's still about Bilbo growing as a character. The enemy merely shifts from a dragon to the enemy being themselves -- which isn't an unusual storytelling trope. The focus remains on Bilbo and how he reacts to these challenges. The rash decisions of his companions forces him to make some very difficult decisions about loyalty, morality, and so on. And in the end it all comes to a head as the enemies the dwarves have made along the way all end up on the battlefield for a big battle.
 
2012-07-15 10:48:03 AM

shoegaze99: Mugato: f4rmerbob: and comical introduction of all the dwaves

The dwarves are comic relief?

More accurate to say that Bilbo's reaction to the dwarves is comic relief. But yes, in the early parts of the story the dwarves are not fierce warriors, they're a big pain in Bilbo's neck. The whole story grows more serious as it progresses, as do the characters.


You sir...have a fine grasp on the story. Wish more actually knew as much and would post as such....but alas

/salute
 
2012-07-15 10:51:09 AM

Confabulat: Problem is every time I hear the name Bilbo Baggins I start humming that damn Leonard Nimoy song:

Bilbo (Bilbo!) King of the Wild Frontier!

Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free.
Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,
Killed him a bear when he was only three.

Bilbo (Bilbo!) King of the Wild Frontier!


Now I have both of those songs stuck in my head. Thanks a lot, ass.

/and it's "kilt him a bar"
//actually, that's a good mashup, Confabulat
 
2012-07-15 10:52:52 AM
Oh, shut up and take my money already!
 
2012-07-15 10:53:02 AM
I WANT SINGING ORCS!!!

That is all.
 
2012-07-15 10:57:10 AM

ZeroCorpse: I WANT SINGING ORCS!!!

That is all.


'Down, down, to Goblin Town'..
 
2012-07-15 10:57:45 AM
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bimbo
 
2012-07-15 10:58:05 AM

Confabulat: I wonder if they are going to put in a bunch from the The Silmarillion or something which sounds like a good idea to me, you can't film that book anyway.


AFAIK, no one owns the film rights to The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales, so none of that can be used.

I do believe The Silmarillion could be done. It would be hard, but there are a lot of good pieces that could be filmed and then woven together with Jackson's genius.

Again, it wouldn't be easy, but I do think it could be done and I really, really want to see it happen. The Silmarillion is without a doubt my favorite book.
 
2012-07-15 11:06:16 AM

Rev.K: Confabulat: I wonder if they are going to put in a bunch from the The Silmarillion or something which sounds like a good idea to me, you can't film that book anyway.

AFAIK, no one owns the film rights to The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales, so none of that can be used.

I do believe The Silmarillion could be done. It would be hard, but there are a lot of good pieces that could be filmed and then woven together with Jackson's genius.

Again, it wouldn't be easy, but I do think it could be done and I really, really want to see it happen. The Silmarillion is without a doubt my favorite book.


Considering how difficult it was getting the rights squared away for The Hobbit, I doubt The Silmarillion will be happening anytime soon. Also, with all of the delays, fires, health problems, etc. that Jackson had to deal with in finally getting The Hobbit finished, I'm sure he'll be taking a very long break from adapting any Tolkien.
 
2012-07-15 11:09:41 AM
The number of people clamoring for singing and songs is really depressing. They were always my least favorite part of the books, and I hate musicals in general, but if this many people like it, it'll probably end up in the movies. And that sucks.

/Occasional songs, such as Pippin's in RotK, are fine, but full on song breaks in the story? No thanks.
 
2012-07-15 11:10:31 AM

ZeroCorpse: I WANT SINGING ORCS!!!

That is all.


Alphax: 'Down, down, to Goblin Town'..


When this song(and scene) came on during the cartoon version, it always gave me the creeps as a kid. I think I was about six or seven when I first saw The Hobbit and it scared the crap outta me.
 
2012-07-15 11:12:07 AM

Erix: The number of people clamoring for singing and songs is really depressing. They were always my least favorite part of the books, and I hate musicals in general, but if this many people like it, it'll probably end up in the movies. And that sucks.

/Occasional songs, such as Pippin's in RotK, are fine, but full on song breaks in the story? No thanks.


^Not a fan....opinion invalid...moving on
 
2012-07-15 11:14:28 AM

Erix: The number of people clamoring for singing and songs is really depressing. They were always my least favorite part of the books, and I hate musicals in general, but if this many people like it, it'll probably end up in the movies. And that sucks.

/Occasional songs, such as Pippin's in RotK, are fine, but full on song breaks in the story? No thanks.


Blasphemer! How could you want stuff like this cut out of the films?
 
2012-07-15 11:16:02 AM

Rev.K: I do believe The Silmarillion could be done. It would be hard, but there are a lot of good pieces that could be filmed and then woven together with Jackson's genius.


The difficulty is that The Silmarillion isn't really a single narrative, it's many narratives with a few interconnecting parts. The only way to do the Silmarillion is to leave 75 percent of it on the cutting room floor and focus solely on the tightly specific stuff concerning the Silmarils, or to do separate movies that focus on specific stories in the book. You could easily do five or six movies out of that book.

The other option, of course, is an epic HBO series of one or two seasons. All the disparate-but-connected storylines are workable in that format.

As a film, I'm dubious since it's not a story, it's a collection of stories assembled into a single whole.
 
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