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2012-07-15 08:05:28 AM
Remind me never to eat out in Oregon
 
2012-07-15 08:07:33 AM

CokeBear: Remind me never to eat out in Oregon


What makes you think the gloves are cleaner than the hands?
 
2012-07-15 08:08:29 AM
Oregon rules that restaurant workers do not have to wear gloves, thinks that the whole hand washing thing may just be a moneymaking racket foisted upon people by the soap industry

Yes, no.
 
2012-07-15 08:09:49 AM
I love when they make your food then use their gloved hands to play with the cash in the register. Well, the gloves do keep the employees safe from that dirty cash.
 
2012-07-15 08:13:51 AM
I don't have a problem with not wearing gloves as long as all other hygienic policies are followed, including regularly washing hands. Somehow we've managed to survive as a species for tens of thousands of years without the benefit of plastic gloves.
 
2012-07-15 08:14:15 AM
Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.
 
2012-07-15 08:17:58 AM
Gloves are to protect workers, not customers. Besides... when someone is wearing gloves, they can't feel if there is something on their hands they need to wash off. Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.
 
2012-07-15 08:20:45 AM

spacelord321: Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.


JohnnyC: Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.


Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.
 
2012-07-15 08:22:04 AM
Stay away from the pie.
 
2012-07-15 08:22:27 AM
Subby... please RTFA next time.
 
2012-07-15 08:23:11 AM

Gwyrddu: Somehow we've managed to survive as a species for tens of thousands of years without the benefit of plastic gloves.


Probably closer to 3 million years, but I don't think that diminishes your point. :)
 
2012-07-15 08:27:01 AM
MugzyBrown
CokeBear:
Remind me never to eat out in Oregon

What makes you think the gloves are cleaner than the hands?


Yeah, I remember watching a report about someone researching this; IIRC they came to the conclusion that employees wearing gloves does fark all for hygiene and that shops where they didn't wear gloves actually got the better results.
 
2012-07-15 08:27:38 AM
So i guess legislators won't be eating out much
as fo me...ewwwwww
 
2012-07-15 08:29:48 AM
As a restaurant industry veteran (15+ years) I can honestly say gloves are bad. It is so important that you wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. Gloves give you a false sense of cleanliness and actually make it less likely that you will wash them often enough. Clean skin is far more safe than a dirty glove.
 
2012-07-15 08:32:54 AM
Why does it have to be either washing your hands or wearing gloves? I want you to do both.
 
2012-07-15 08:33:25 AM
The people complaining about the headline either really can't take a joke or else they work for the soap industry.
 
2012-07-15 08:34:24 AM

McManus_brothers: spacelord321: Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.

JohnnyC: Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.

Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.


Good point. But he just sold weed to the staff so he gets a pass.
 
2012-07-15 08:39:54 AM

BrainyBear: Why does it have to be either washing your hands or wearing gloves? I want you to do both.


Sorry dude, it just doesn't work that way. If the employees wear gloves they wash their hands a lot less often, partially due to the hassle of having to change the gloves. Trust me, cooks who don't wear gloves are far less likely to serve you contaminated food (in general, there are always exceptions). In my experience any place that mandated gloves was coming off of a bad Health Department inspection score. It was just for show and actually made matters worse.
 
2012-07-15 08:43:45 AM
McManus_brothers
Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.


That 19 year-old either kept the gloves on or put them down on the garbage can while smoking, then put the same pair back on before heading back inside, touching that door handle with the bird droppings that he didn't feel because of the gloves.
 
2012-07-15 08:46:52 AM

McManus_brothers: spacelord321: Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.

JohnnyC: Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.

Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.


Isn't that an issue whether the gloves are required or not. You think anyone who isn't going to respect the food or the kitchen is going to suddenly do the right thing because some regulation said that he/she has to wear gloves? Most likely not, I think.

I've worked as a cook a few times... "not giving a shiat" is not reserved for the 19 year old line cooks. About the only way you can keep an eye on things is if you go to a restaurant with an open kitchen where you can watch (rare, but worth it sometimes).

Also, everybody knows the place to smoke a joint is in the walk-in... and really, you're better off with a one hitter. You can't get off the line for very long without someone noticing. ;)
 
2012-07-15 08:52:56 AM
Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.
 
2012-07-15 08:55:42 AM
I wonder how many cooks had gloves melted onto their hands?
 
2012-07-15 09:00:45 AM
I would think the gloves would help the customers keep the Hep C from leaking out of the cook onto the food.
 
2012-07-15 09:01:03 AM

"The rule would have prohibited food handlers from contacting "exposed, ready-to-eat food" with their bare hands. Instead, any contact would have to be made with "suitable utensils," including deli tissue, spatulas, tongs and single-use gloves."


For fark's sake, just buy the spatulas and tongs then. No need then for additional ongoing costs, but it isn't like those places can't add it on to the price of the meal.

 
2012-07-15 09:02:14 AM

indarwinsshadow: at the Wendys


Yes, it's all their fault that your kid is sick. Obviously it didn't have anything to do with your decision to eat at a fast food chain restaurant manned almost entirely by teenage kids being paid crap for wages. I mean... how could you have known?
 
2012-07-15 09:04:14 AM

Another Government Employee: I wonder how many cooks had gloves melted onto their hands?


The answer? More than you could ever imagine. Third degree burns are horrific when seen up close. Worse than that are chef coats made from a poly-blend. You get too close to an open flame, (In a kitchen? Really? Who could ever foresee that?) they don't just burn, they melt. Restaurant work can turn scary pretty fast if you take it lightly.
 
2012-07-15 09:04:15 AM

david_gaithersburg: I love when they make your food then use their gloved hands to play with the cash in the register. Well, the gloves do keep the employees safe from that dirty cash.


Seriously, my wife has a coworker (grocery store cashier) who keeps gloves on when ringing up customers. She takes time to sanitize her hands and put on fresh gloves with almost every customer. I stopped going through her line. I don't mind waiting for someone to wash hands or put on gloves before fixing my food. I once worked at Little Caesar's running front counter and making pizza at the same time. ALWAYS washed my hands before fixing food, but I am not going to let my ice cream melt because some nut wants to protect herself from us.
 
2012-07-15 09:05:15 AM

JohnnyC: McManus_brothers: spacelord321: Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.

JohnnyC: Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.

Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.

Isn't that an issue whether the gloves are required or not. You think anyone who isn't going to respect the food or the kitchen is going to suddenly do the right thing because some regulation said that he/she has to wear gloves? Most likely not, I think.

I've worked as a cook a few times... "not giving a shiat" is not reserved for the 19 year old line cooks. About the only way you can keep an eye on things is if you go to a restaurant with an open kitchen where you can watch (rare, but worth it sometimes).

Also, everybody knows the place to smoke a joint is in the walk-in... and really, you're better off with a one hitter. You can't get off the line for very long without someone noticing. ;)


Had a glass chillum in my fifth pocket while working at a subway styled place. While attending a customer the apron string pulled it out of my pocket and sent it crashing to the floor. Both I and the customer paused and looked directly at the remaining peices. I looked back at her (40's), smiled, calmly kicked the peices under the food table, and asked her to continue. She and her husband choked back their laughter and rolled with it.

They were your soccer parent types so it was a good lesson about people for me.
 
2012-07-15 09:05:58 AM
Something tells me that our average kitchen workers may need better legal protection than our restaurant goers. That's why I don't like this.
 
2012-07-15 09:07:01 AM

indarwinsshadow: Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.


If the problem was that someone didn't wash their hands properly, wouldn't the solution be for people to wash their hands properly?

Incidentally, did your entire family wash their hands immediately before eating?
 
2012-07-15 09:10:08 AM
Big Soap is the villain here. Wondering how long it will take people to realize that Big Urinal is also involved and it's okayed to piss in the soup.
 
2012-07-15 09:10:32 AM
As posted before, gloves give a false sense of security. At least that's what I've heard from several health inspectors. *shrug*
 
2012-07-15 09:13:09 AM

orbister: indarwinsshadow: Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.

If the problem was that someone didn't wash their hands properly, wouldn't the solution be for people to wash their hands properly?

Incidentally, did your entire family wash their hands immediately before eating?


But, but, his widdle snowfwake!
 
2012-07-15 09:13:15 AM

orbister: indarwinsshadow: Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.

If the problem was that someone didn't wash their hands properly, wouldn't the solution be for people to wash their hands properly?

Incidentally, did your entire family wash their hands immediately before eating?


Yes, first thing we did when entering the restaurant.


JohnnyC


indarwinsshadow: at the Wendys

Yes, it's all their fault that your kid is sick. Obviously it didn't have anything to do with your decision to eat at a fast food chain restaurant manned almost entirely by teenage kids being paid crap for wages. I mean... how could you have known?


Oh, you're right. We should have looked for a five star restaurant somewhere along the highway between the cottage and home. That way, we could have been assured of an excellent dining experience, AND free from food poisoning.

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Oh, and f*ck off. You're a complete dick if you actually believe what you wrote.
 
2012-07-15 09:15:32 AM

inclemency: As posted before, gloves give a false sense of security. At least that's what I've heard from several health inspectors. *shrug*


If you can't feel it... you don't know to wash it off.
 
2012-07-15 09:15:34 AM
Smell the glove!
 
2012-07-15 09:18:20 AM

Monkey2: As a restaurant industry veteran (15+ years) I can honestly say gloves are bad. It is so important that you wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. Gloves give you a false sense of cleanliness and actually make it less likely that you will wash them often enough. Clean skin is far more safe than a dirty glove.

 
2012-07-15 09:20:58 AM

indarwinsshadow: My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night.


Maybe it was your breakfast, instead.

Symptoms usually appear within 1 - 6 hours after eating contaminated food.

Food poisoning sucks but yeah, in fast food places there's very minimal actual interaction of humans with the food. You've got one person and they're in your view from the counter.

I worked at a seasonal ice cream / take out food place for a summer, and we never wore gloves. Yet our owner was a fanatic about keeping things safe (she could tell you the ranking of any damn restaurant in town, and a few towns over to boot)... so we had our i's dotted and t's crossed on *everything*, including repeated hand washing. Having seen the false sense of 'safety' you get from someone wearing gloves, yeah, I'd stick with plentiful hand washing too.
 
2012-07-15 09:22:46 AM

indarwinsshadow: Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.


I'm really sorry the boy is sick and I hope he makes a fast recovery. Alas, the person who handled your food was probably wearing gloves and they never bothered to change them. Gloves are no good if they're not changed as the worker encounters different food items and equipment.

I've been in the business for over thirty years and gloves have their place in the kitchen, but not at the final assembly of your order and especially not by staff that multitask between the line and registers.
 
2012-07-15 09:25:07 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: indarwinsshadow: My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night.

Maybe it was your breakfast, instead.

Symptoms usually appear within 1 - 6 hours after eating contaminated food.

Food poisoning sucks but yeah, in fast food places there's very minimal actual interaction of humans with the food. You've got one person and they're in your view from the counter.

I worked at a seasonal ice cream / take out food place for a summer, and we never wore gloves. Yet our owner was a fanatic about keeping things safe (she could tell you the ranking of any damn restaurant in town, and a few towns over to boot)... so we had our i's dotted and t's crossed on *everything*, including repeated hand washing. Having seen the false sense of 'safety' you get from someone wearing gloves, yeah, I'd stick with plentiful hand washing too.


Could be. I'm guessing Staph as he doesn't have any other associated symptoms right now and the sudden onset of the sickness. He's better now, but it was like the exorcist at one point there.
 
2012-07-15 09:26:57 AM
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit or something?

Also, note to self: Do your own cooking when in Oregon.
 
2012-07-15 09:27:26 AM

MugzyBrown: CokeBear: Remind me never to eat out in Oregon

What makes you think the gloves are cleaner than the hands?


totally...wearing gloves =\= washed hands...
 
2012-07-15 09:27:29 AM

windowseat: indarwinsshadow: Interesting. I blearily write this after spending the entire night awake with my 10 year old son, who has been projectile vomiting since 12:30 a.m. My guess is Staphylococcus aureus food poisoning from some idiot who didn't wash their hands properly and handled our food at the Wendys restaurant last night. So, here's a big middle finger to the morons on the court who don't believe people need to wear gloves to handle food.

I'm really sorry the boy is sick and I hope he makes a fast recovery. Alas, the person who handled your food was probably wearing gloves and they never bothered to change them. Gloves are no good if they're not changed as the worker encounters different food items and equipment.

I've been in the business for over thirty years and gloves have their place in the kitchen, but not at the final assembly of your order and especially not by staff that multitask between the line and registers.


Thanks windowseat. I'm usually not this hostile on fark, the lack of sleep has me in extra crank mode. He's better. I'm keeping him hydrated, and watching his temp. He's ok.
 
2012-07-15 09:27:34 AM
Shouldn't that be the disposable glove industry?
 
2012-07-15 09:31:58 AM
Any good NY Pizzeria would scoff at the notion of wearing gloves while tossing a pie.
 
2012-07-15 09:38:17 AM

indarwinsshadow: Oh, you're right. We should have looked for a five star restaurant somewhere along the highway between the cottage and home. That way, we could have been assured of an excellent dining experience, AND free from food poisoning.


Every restaurant is a risk to some degree. You can mitigate that risk to some extent, but really you're still taking at least some risk no matter where you choose to eat. However, "fast food" is not generally known for being top notch on quality or cleanliness.

When we're traveling, we usually bring along the food we might need along the way. It isn't hard to pay attention to the fact that we will be on the road during a normal meal time and plan accordingly. We even make sure we pack foods that will keep well put it in a cooler. We stop at a rest stop somewhere along the way, have ourselves some food, and continue on our way.

indarwinsshadow: Oh, and f*ck off. You're a complete dick if you actually believe what you wrote.


Yes... that must be it too. I must be a complete dick for pointing out that you are responsible for your choices and your children. You are ultimately responsible for every bit of food they gobble up. How dare I suggest you take a little of the responsibility because you picked a shiatty restaurant and ended up having to clean up puke all night.

You made a choice... it was a bad one. shiat happens... Learn from it, grow from it, and try to make a better choice in the future... Or don't... you'll get no pity from me... I have kids... I've cleaned up projectile vomiting too, except I didn't get on the internet and whine about it to a bunch of people and try to blame it on the restaurant and then get pissy when someone called me on it.
 
2012-07-15 09:44:40 AM

McManus_brothers: spacelord321: Real cooks don't wear gloves. That is all.

JohnnyC: Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.

Properly trained chefs are one thing, and I have no problem with them not wearing gloves. However, the 19 year old line cook who just came back in from the alley after smoking a joint, yeah that's an issue.


The men -- and women! -- of New Mexico who believe washing their hands after taking a piss, taking a crap, changing a tampon, sneezing, or wiping their nose.... they're also an issue.

Yeah, it's dumb to see folks handle cash and food with the same gloves; but I had to report one place because one of the women was using her bare hands to personally pick over some fries before handing them off at the drive through. I guess she thought that the customers were receiving too much, or maybe she liked uniformity of presentation. Who knows.

This entire state was raised by wolves.*

/* no offense meant to wolves
 
2012-07-15 09:46:15 AM
who believe washing their hands ... is optional, not obligatory. god damnit. leaving it out changed the whole post. oh well.
 
2012-07-15 09:48:58 AM
Nothin' wrong with a foodborne pathogen from time to time, keeps your immune system good and strong!
 
2012-07-15 09:51:06 AM

JohnnyC: Gloves are to protect workers, not customers. Besides... when someone is wearing gloves, they can't feel if there is something on their hands they need to wash off. Good cooks/chefs know to keep their hands clean.


I agree with most of what has been said here....except this ^

WTF are you smoking? Gloves in the food prep world have NEVER been to protect the worker. Are you thinking that it prevents HIV or Hep from all those infected foul or bovine? Seriously...think, then type
 
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