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(MSNBC)   Thanks to the DSM-5's new definition of General Anxiety Disorder, we can now all be labeled mentally ill. The Psychiatric and Pharmacological industries approve   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 88
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2012-07-15 12:21:02 PM

propasaurus: Damn, the Scientologists were right!


I think a lot of psychiatry (as it's practiced today) will be viewed as quackery in the future. I certainly don't discount actual biochemical problems that some people have that cause mental illness, and i have no problem with them taking proscribed medication.

/ not a Scientologist
// agree with them a little bit about people over-relying on drugs & useless therapy sessions
/// their "solutions" to those issues is worse than the disease, IMHO.
 
2012-07-15 12:36:28 PM

MarkEC: I went to the doctor for heart palpitations I was getting while going to sleep. It even woke me up in the middle of the night. He instantly started on the anxiety questions thinking it was a panic attack. Then he decided to do an EKG just for the heck of it. Nurse came in, put the leads on me, started the machine, then 15 seconds later disconnected me and flew out of the room. The doctor came back into the room within seconds with the paper strip and told me I had premature atrial contractions. He said he'd never seen anything on an EKG in his office when someone had a complaint of heart palpitations. I had to wear a Holter monitor and have a stress test to rule out A-fib. Now I'm on 120mg Inderal and feel lucky it showed in the office, or I might be on anxiety meds instead of the proper drug.


From [anectodal] conversations I've had, yes, you were very lucky.

One of the dangerous consequences of our health care system is the PCP model (primary care physician). Any diagnosis they make, and prescriptions they give, will be biased towards their backgrounds. A good doctor will acknowledge this. A bad doctor...not so much.

If a doctor gives you medicine for anything and you don't feel better when you should, ask to see a specialist. Then another, and another, until you receive a treatment that works.

/Was prescribed Ambien to help me sleep.
//One of the people that Ambien causes panic attacks
///An hour of aerobic exercise and stretching daily = fark you and your diagnosis of a pre-existing condition
 
2012-07-15 12:41:20 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: propasaurus: Damn, the Scientologists were right!

I think a lot of psychiatry (as it's practiced today) will be viewed as quackery in the future. I certainly don't discount actual biochemical problems that some people have that cause mental illness, and i have no problem with them taking proscribed medication.

/ not a Scientologist
// agree with them a little bit about people over-relying on drugs & useless therapy sessions
/// their "solutions" to those issues is worse than the disease, IMHO.


I agree.

Here's what I don't get. If we really believe biochemical causes of mental illness, why doesn't it fall under neurology? And for mental illness that doesn't fall under biochemical we already have psychology. So what role does psychiatry really fill?

It seems psychiatry just stumbled into their current role after Freudian theory was abandoned mid century. But, like Freud's work, there is very little empirical evidence for what they do, and also like Freud's work, our views of mental illness will change so much in the future as to make modern psychiatry look ridiculous.
 
2012-07-15 12:49:47 PM
My engrams are all twisted in a knot!
 
2012-07-15 12:56:23 PM
Now the police can arrest you... have you "evaluated" and keep you jailed for as long as you want for "compliance" issues.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/compliance/
 
2012-07-15 12:59:21 PM
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
 
2012-07-15 01:07:32 PM
fark off to subby and all the wingnuts agreeing with him. To be a diagnosable illness it must be affecting the quality of your life or interfering in your ability to perform basic functions. Psychiatry may be as much voodoo as science, but most of the complaints about it amount to sheer idiocy.
 
2012-07-15 01:10:50 PM

GBmanNC: Forbidden Doughnut: propasaurus: Damn, the Scientologists were right!

I think a lot of psychiatry (as it's practiced today) will be viewed as quackery in the future. I certainly don't discount actual biochemical problems that some people have that cause mental illness, and i have no problem with them taking proscribed medication.

/ not a Scientologist
// agree with them a little bit about people over-relying on drugs & useless therapy sessions
/// their "solutions" to those issues is worse than the disease, IMHO.

I agree.

Here's what I don't get. If we really believe biochemical causes of mental illness, why doesn't it fall under neurology? And for mental illness that doesn't fall under biochemical we already have psychology. So what role does psychiatry really fill?

It seems psychiatry just stumbled into their current role after Freudian theory was abandoned mid century. But, like Freud's work, there is very little empirical evidence for what they do, and also like Freud's work, our views of mental illness will change so much in the future as to make modern psychiatry look ridiculous.


psychiatry unfairly bears the brunt of this notion that it's modern-day quackery, whereas other areas of medicine are relatively spared. i think this stems from there being an ongoing bias in how mental illness is viewed, compared to medical illness. it's quite reasonable to assume that all medicine is going to make progress in our lifetimes and certainly in the decades and centuries after. years from now, people will look at treating cancer with chemotherapy--medication that literally kills the cells in your body, healthy ones as well as cancerous ones--and wonder how we could have thought that essentially poisoning people was the best treatment we could offer. future generations will question why amputating a limb was the best and only option we could present to someone with gangrene. these are extreme examples to be sure, but they reflect that modern medicine is still ignorant of so much and as we illuminate our understanding on the pathophysiology of many illnesses, what we consider state-of-the-art, high tech, cutting-edge medicine will look ridiculous. but i think it's unfair to single out psychiatry in this critique.

briefly, re: your question about the role of psychiatrists: psychiatrists have the medical training of neurologists in order to promptly and effectively diagnose and treat medical conditions that might be co-morbid with or causative of psychiatric illness (skills that psychologists don't have), with an understanding and ability to manage the psychological and behavioral aspects of mental illness that neurologists don't have.
 
2012-07-15 01:25:51 PM
So I guess Space Nutters, who are always worried about the species, or some asteroid wiping us out, or running out of minerals would qualify? It's about time!
 
2012-07-15 01:32:06 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: fark off to subby and all the wingnuts agreeing with him. To be a diagnosable illness it must be affecting the quality of your life or interfering in your ability to perform basic functions. Psychiatry may be as much voodoo as science, but most of the complaints about it amount to sheer idiocy.


Sounds like you need to adjust your dosage, friend.
 
2012-07-15 01:33:00 PM

ToxicMunkee: You know, if your doctor gives you a prescription for powerful medications you don't think you need, not only do you not have to take them, but you don't even have to get the prescription filled.

And, you can go see a different doctor.


It will still show up on medical records, however. For example, applying for long term care insurance or life insurance will be affected by prescriptions issued but never filled (as will heath insurance at least until 2014). Hell, just casually mentioning that you are getting forgetful because you can't keep track of your keys anymore can get written into your patient records as "abentmindedness" and boom, the insurance companies equate it to early onset dementia even though it's entirely self-diagnosed and probably has more to do with having so much other crap on your mind than anything medical.

As someone who is both an insurance agent and medically unable to qualify for most policies I'm very sensitive to anything that knocks people out of insurability because of BS reasons. I don't know how changes in DSM-V will affect one's insurability, but I do know that the changes will impact it as soon as a doctor makes a note in your file. Even moreso if it's a prescription. In fact, an unfulfilled prescription looks worse than a filled prescription because it tells them that you don't take care of your health problems and are thus a terrible risk.
 
2012-07-15 01:38:39 PM

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1) I love this with your login

2) I will be putting that on a t-shirt and wearing it often
 
2012-07-15 01:45:27 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: fark off to subby and all the wingnuts agreeing with him. To be a diagnosable illness it must be affecting the quality of your life or interfering in your ability to perform basic functions. Psychiatry may be as much voodoo as science, but most of the complaints about it amount to sheer idiocy.


"Affecting the quality of your life" can be freakin' anything. I'm a bit tired today, was up late last night, and it is affecting the quality of my life, as I really don't want to do anything but take a big nap.

And you are high if you think the only people perscribed psych meds are those having difficulty performing basic functions.
 
2012-07-15 01:52:03 PM
I don't have to worry about being labeled without actually being mentally ill.

Latest problem... Mailbox phobia. That's from someone who doesn't have any debts. And I make my living in mail-order.

And anyone wanna take a stab at why I found myself attracted to this one woman until I realized that a brief physical description of her would also describe my abusive ex?

But this general anxiety disorder thing? It sounds like a justification to just hand out pills instead of taking the time to root out the problems. Behavior modification and other forms of therapy are resource intensive currently, but I bet you could program a toy to perform a good chunk of therapeutic tasks.
 
2012-07-15 02:12:20 PM
My personality is such that it is practically impossible for me to benefit from non-medicinal therapies. I found group settings absurd, psychologists clueless and lacking real insight as far as my conditions are concerned. It's like my biggest problem is that I can't get past a certain hang-up that might actually allow myself to get help through these means. The anxiety, depression, mania, delusions of adequacy, etc...these are just secondary issues.
 
2012-07-15 02:31:02 PM
I've had social anxiety problems for years but decided to get help from the VA when I enrolled in college because among other things it was farking impossible for me to concentrate on what the instructors were saying and I didn't want to be in class because it felt like I was suffocating. When everything was said and done it turns out my psychiatrist on psychologist have diagnosed me with Bipolar and see some warning signs of Schizo. My psychiatrist is still testing different meds but addictive meds are her last resort when treating a patient.
 
2012-07-15 02:36:26 PM
Sounds like a superhero.. General Anxiety Disorder and Major Depression!
 
2012-07-15 02:46:41 PM
That book means jack-all if the person with the "disorder" doesn't seek treatment.

Also, did they classify faith/religious belief as a mental disorder? I remember some Farkers swearing they would in DSM-V.
 
2012-07-15 03:30:54 PM
Technically, we, as a society, are running at an anxiety baseline that should be reserved for those I'm-'bout-to-get-eaten-by-a-bear-fight-or-flight moments. The stress hormone, cortisol, is a neurotoxin, and should not be sustained in the blood stream for extended periods of time. In a state of constant anxiety, cortisol is prevalent in the bloodstream until we're asleep (providing you're relaxed enough to sleep). This is especially a concern for pregnant women, who expose their undeveloped child to daily surges of cortisol if constantly stressed out. In-utero cortisol exposure has been linked to all kinds of birth defects, developmental disabilities, a predisposition to schizophrenia, etc....

So.... I guess my point is, chill the fark out. Otherwise you're just going to eat away at your brain with cortisol. Do some yoga. Meditate, don't medicate: Just as effective as prozac, but FREE! (Big Pharma would LOVE that!)
 
2012-07-15 04:03:16 PM

born_yesterday: "We're sorry. The entire US population has been diagnosed with General Anxiety Disorder. We have therefore dropped coverage of all of you, due to a pre-existing condition."


Thank god for obamacare eh?
 
2012-07-15 04:29:30 PM
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2012-07-15 06:02:42 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: So I guess Space Nutters, who are always worried about the species, or some asteroid wiping us out, or running out of minerals would qualify? It's about time!


Dunno, but people so pathologically anxious about death that are constantly fearing any scientific endeavor not related to life extension technology must be *actively* slowing down life extension tech probably do. Especially when they gibber about their fears in threads completly unrelated to either. =)
 
2012-07-15 06:30:06 PM
yup and i know exactly what the prescription is.. dont bogart that now.. i need my medicine!
 
2012-07-15 07:41:41 PM

Felgraf: Quantum Apostrophe: So I guess Space Nutters, who are always worried about the species, or some asteroid wiping us out, or running out of minerals would qualify? It's about time!

Dunno, but people so pathologically anxious about death that are constantly fearing any scientific endeavor not related to life extension technology must be *actively* slowing down life extension tech probably do. Especially when they gibber about their fears in threads completly unrelated to either. =)


Really? So constantly worrying about hypothetical asteroids and pretending to speak for the species and worshiping ancient 1970s space posters is perfectly sane, but realizing that we already have extended our lifespans and that life is good, *that*'s the problem in your world.

Right, makes sense. Here, let me tighten your straps a bit...
 
2012-07-15 07:49:09 PM
Doctor shoppers of the world rejoice!
 
2012-07-15 08:02:48 PM
Catch-22

/only to bookmark and figure out later.
 
2012-07-15 09:26:22 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: It was only a matter of time until it was determined that we were all sick. It's been going in that direction for years. Drugs are the salvation of our species.

The good news is that if we're all sick, nobody is, so take solace in the fact that if you need drugs to function there's nothing wrong with you, it's perfectly normal.


hell, i don't even take tylenol or cough medicine, when i get anxious or depressed i meditate/work through my problems one at a time in a very relaxed manner

guess that makes me an outlier
 
2012-07-15 09:52:43 PM

Umfufu: Whew, thought I was autistic for a minute there...


Sorry we are very select on who we let in. But thank you for your application.
 
2012-07-15 10:52:02 PM

GiveMeFiveDollars: General anxiety disorder is meant for those people that are normal but think there is something wrong with them. Makes the patient happy because now they have something to make them think it's not their fault. General anxiety is part of life: money, driving in traffic, mother in laws, scary dudes...and so on.

/It's all in how you deal with it


So you consider it normal to have persistent anxiety about driving in traffic that it seriously interferes with your day-to-day life?

Also, I have GAD. I also tend to get so anxious having sex that I vomit. How do I deal with that, ohh wise one?
 
2012-07-15 11:00:59 PM

Stibium: GiveMeFiveDollars: General anxiety disorder is meant for those people that are normal but think there is something wrong with them. Makes the patient happy because now they have something to make them think it's not their fault. General anxiety is part of life: money, driving in traffic, mother in laws, scary dudes...and so on.

/It's all in how you deal with it

So you consider it normal to have persistent anxiety about driving in traffic that it seriously interferes with your day-to-day life?

Also, I have GAD. I also tend to get so anxious having sex that I vomit. How do I deal with that, ohh wise one?


Find a woman into emetophilia.
 
2012-07-15 11:19:58 PM

ToxicMunkee: You know, if your doctor gives you a prescription for powerful medications you don't think you need, not only do you not have to take them, but you don't even have to get the prescription filled.

And, you can go see a different doctor.


Not if it's related to any litigation
 
2012-07-16 12:31:06 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Stibium: GiveMeFiveDollars: General anxiety disorder is meant for those people that are normal but think there is something wrong with them. Makes the patient happy because now they have something to make them think it's not their fault. General anxiety is part of life: money, driving in traffic, mother in laws, scary dudes...and so on.

/It's all in how you deal with it

So you consider it normal to have persistent anxiety about driving in traffic that it seriously interferes with your day-to-day life?

Also, I have GAD. I also tend to get so anxious having sex that I vomit. How do I deal with that, ohh wise one?

Find a woman into emetophilia.


I was honestly expecting the first answer to be "get into japanese fetish porn."

Thank you, internet.
 
2012-07-16 01:38:08 AM

MindChild: namegoeshere: Really? Anxiety over finances and health for longer than a few weeks makes you officially nuts?

Well lets see... been through two seperate cancer scares in the past year (benign, thank FSM) still need surgery that I can't afford, small business owner trying to keep going in this still shiatty economy, business is still way down, firstborn is already looking at colleges, roof is leaking, everybody needs braces...

Yep. I'm farking loony. Barking. Crackers. I haven't been anxiety-free since summer 2008.

Oh wait. I have no insurance, and can afford neither a shrink nor a long term perscription.

I'M CURED!!! No diagno$i$ for me! Woohoo! I feel happy....

Having anxiety and having anxiety attacks (especially constantly) are completely different, and is addressed in the diagnosis of "General Anxiety Disorder"

Until you experience it yourself, your perspective will likely be skewed. It isn't your fault. It is hard to relate to something LOOKING so benign, but something feeling so serious.

My anxiety attacks have a wide range of symptoms that are hard to live with. Sometimes, I get stroke like symptoms. Slurred speech, massive confusion, lack of coordination, etc. Others, I become paralyzed. I literally can't move. The doctors have said this was likely due to my brain being so electrically active, that it is having trouble operating my motor functions. My least favorite is when something seems to "break" inside after a prolonged attack, and I start dreaming while awake.


Please see neurologist with regard to seizure activity. Good luck.
 
2012-07-16 10:10:09 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Really? So constantly worrying about hypothetical asteroids and pretending to speak for the species and worshiping ancient 1970s space posters is perfectly sane, but realizing that we already have extended our lifespans and that life is good, *that*'s the problem in your world.

Right, makes sense. Here, let me tighten your straps a bit...


Oh, no, I'm not constantly worried about it, really. It's a reason we'll eventually want to get off this rock, but it crosses my mind maybe once every few months. *Personally* I support space research, in part, just because It's There-It is a scientific frontier, and that which expands human knowledge is a good thing. Personally, I don't think you could pay me enough to get onto a space ship until we reach.. I don't know, high sci-fi levels (if such things are possible): I do not like the thought of a few inches of steel being all that seperates me and a hard vacuum. But I'm not gonna go "ZOMG SO STUPID" for those who wish to expand human knowledge.

It certainly doesn't terrify me to the point where I must delve into life-exentsion threads and squawk about how it's a waste of time (why, such thinsg won't be of use to OUR generation, so why should I care?!?!).

In fact, I think life extension's awesome and nifty, too. amazingly, I can support scientific research on more than one front.

I know this may be a hard concept for you to grasp.

Interesting, though, that you didn't see some of the research about exposure to zero-G seeming to alter how worms life, and extending their lifespans a few weeks back. Maybe you were in time-out due to not being able to contain yourself at the time.
 
2012-07-16 11:54:52 AM
I just got diagnosed as Schizoaffective, but I'm not sick, it's just a label. I travelled parallel dimensions enough to be stuck in a placeholder John the Baptist living. Stupid Doctors.
 
2012-07-16 01:34:30 PM
Paxil was great. It made me feel nothing. What wasn't great was the 20+ lbs i gained on it. I've been off it for almost a year, lost the weight, and i still feel nothing!

/i'm doing it wrong
 
2012-07-16 03:31:57 PM
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Would have something to say about this.
 
2012-07-16 07:33:34 PM

Treefingers: Technically, we, as a society, are running at an anxiety baseline that should be reserved for those I'm-'bout-to-get-eaten-by-a-bear-fight-or-flight moments. The stress hormone, cortisol, is a neurotoxin, and should not be sustained in the blood stream for extended periods of time. In a state of constant anxiety, cortisol is prevalent in the bloodstream until we're asleep (providing you're relaxed enough to sleep). This is especially a concern for pregnant women, who expose their undeveloped child to daily surges of cortisol if constantly stressed out. In-utero cortisol exposure has been linked to all kinds of birth defects, developmental disabilities, a predisposition to schizophrenia, etc....

So.... I guess my point is, chill the fark out. Otherwise you're just going to eat away at your brain with cortisol. Do some yoga. Meditate, don't medicate: Just as effective as prozac, but FREE! (Big Pharma would LOVE that!)


By pure coincidence, I just sent this cartoon to someone this morning:

www.halecollege.com
 
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