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(Courier Mail)   In order to stop killer black rats from taking over a tropical island paradise, scientists are bombing the area with poisoned bait for 100 consecutive days   (couriermail.com.au) divider line 79
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2012-07-15 09:57:51 AM  
Ahhh. The Nixon strategy.

Very good.
 
2012-07-15 10:16:35 AM  
Except rats, when given a strage food source, will have a "no thank you" helping and only more if they don't get sick.
 
2012-07-15 10:19:45 AM  
racists
 
2012-07-15 10:20:19 AM  
this can't possibly go wrong.
 
2012-07-15 10:20:33 AM  
This will end well, with no undesirable unforeseen consequences.
 
2012-07-15 10:20:47 AM  
$9 million? Fark that. Either they are lying about the cost or they are getting Farked on the price. I love when these articles quote the price tag....
 
2012-07-15 10:23:27 AM  
*that's_racist.gif*
 
2012-07-15 10:24:56 AM  

vudukungfu: Except rats, when given a strage food source, will have a "no thank you" helping and only more if they don't get sick.


Except that there have been many, many examples of island wide rodent eradication efforts being quite successful. Brodifacoum works well, by the time they start feeling sick, they've ingested a lethal dose. The stuff is like candy to them..

abstract from the NIH
article about bait drops and success stories

/Rat island isn't even called rat island anymore
 
2012-07-15 10:25:08 AM  
Are they AFRICANIZED rats?
 
2012-07-15 10:25:52 AM  
Is this the face of a killer?

resources2.news.com.au

To you, it looks like a furry, cuddly little critter. To a Lord Howe woodhen or Lord Howe pied currawong it looks like Hitler. Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.
 
2012-07-15 10:27:02 AM  
I never considered Manhattan a tropical paradise.
 
2012-07-15 10:27:38 AM  

buzzcut73: /Rat island isn't even called rat island anymore


Well, good luck with all that.

The plague didn't seem to stop the rats.
 
2012-07-15 10:27:59 AM  
Checkout the Google map: Lord Howe Island, Australia

They even have an airstrip. No street-level view, though.
 
2012-07-15 10:31:28 AM  

vudukungfu: buzzcut73: /Rat island isn't even called rat island anymore

Well, good luck with all that.

The plague didn't seem to stop the rats.


Look around on google. "Island rodent eradication" would be a good start.
They can be wiped out from islands. It has been done hundreds of times. The big thing is once they're gone, making sure they don't make it back.
I didn't believe it at first either, but after working on a rat eradication effort, I was amazed.

/Kick,replies, yadda yadda.
 
2012-07-15 10:33:09 AM  
Everytime black rats move in to a neighborhood, it goes to schitt.
 
2012-07-15 10:36:53 AM  

MAYORBOB: Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.


They're rats, that's howe.
 
2012-07-15 10:54:07 AM  
blog.ljcfyi.com

Couldn't they wait until Caturday and drop 100 off these special forces units on the Island?
 
2012-07-15 10:57:21 AM  

MAYORBOB: Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.


They are usually introduced as stowaways on ships.
 
2012-07-15 11:10:51 AM  
Yeah why don't they just start with cats? Does that not work? Then there wouldn't be a million bloated dead rat bodies everywhere.
 
2012-07-15 11:11:32 AM  
Gunderson,
Couldn't they wait until Caturday and drop 100 off these special forces units on the Island?


The gorillas won't freeze to death on a tropical paradise.
 
2012-07-15 11:12:25 AM  
images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2012-07-15 11:16:22 AM  
Nuclear from orbit is the only real solution.

/like they did w/ the dinosaurs?
 
2012-07-15 11:19:42 AM  

charmbomb: Yeah why don't they just start with cats? Does that not work? Then there wouldn't be a million bloated dead rat bodies everywhere.


Cats are even more destructive to native seabird populations (easier targets than rats are since a lot nest on the ground). That and cats will not eliminate every last rat, they'll just knock 'em down a little bit. Bloated dead rat bodies everywhere isn't usually a problem with a slow acting poison like the ones used in eradication projects..once the rats start feeling sick (they have ingested a lethal dose at that point) they tend to go to their little holes and die there.
 
2012-07-15 11:20:38 AM  
Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.
 
2012-07-15 11:25:25 AM  
So if they let it go the rats would eventually eat every other living thing on the island and then eat each other? So in a few years there would be nothing alive on the island but one grossly obese super-cannibal rat, who'd then starve to death?

That sounds like a great SciFi trilogy, at least.
 
2012-07-15 11:27:29 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.


I'm so hoping this is a joke....
 
2012-07-15 11:29:15 AM  

charmbomb: Yeah why don't they just start with cats? Does that not work? Then there wouldn't be a million bloated dead rat bodies everywhere.


I fear the cat solution. A million dead and cat-eaten rats becomes one hell of a kitty litter problem. Stink is stink. Bonus: When the last rat gets eaten by the cats, the cats all starve, and we then have a million emaciated bodies everywhere.

/Best solution: Tsunami. Evacuate the people, I guess.
 
2012-07-15 11:35:29 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: charmbomb: Yeah why don't they just start with cats? Does that not work? Then there wouldn't be a million bloated dead rat bodies everywhere.

I fear the cat solution. A million dead and cat-eaten rats becomes one hell of a kitty litter problem. Stink is stink. Bonus: When the last rat gets eaten by the cats, the cats all starve, and we then have a million emaciated bodies everywhere.

/Best solution: Tsunami. Evacuate the people, I guess.


www.thestolenolive.net
Nah. We just impliment phase 2 of Operation Disgustipated:

Open 10 of these. No more cat problem
 
2012-07-15 11:44:56 AM  

Gestankfaust: $9 million? Fark that. Either they are lying about the cost or they are getting Farked on the price. I love when these articles quote the price tag....


This is run by some government; always expect at least a 10X mark-up.
 
2012-07-15 11:50:18 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.


We can joke about stupidity and disaster and death and dismemberment and suffering all day long (which is a lot of what happens here) but we must never insinuate anything racial. Dead and suffering people, even if they are black people are fair game it seems, but just don't mention their skin color. That's upsetting to some and we all know it.

Noted.

/But must we give up on Photoshopping Lootie too, Hermione?

img232.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-15 11:53:48 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Hermione_Granger: Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.

We can joke about stupidity and disaster and death and dismemberment and suffering all day long (which is a lot of what happens here) but we must never insinuate anything racial. Dead and suffering people, even if they are black people are fair game it seems, but just don't mention their skin color. That's upsetting to some and we all know it.

Noted.

/But must we give up on Photoshopping Lootie too, Hermione?

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^ I lol'd

still hoping it was a bad joke.....srsly
 
2012-07-15 11:59:30 AM  
Why are they not using warfarin instead of poison?
 
2012-07-15 12:03:50 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Ahhh. The Nixon strategy.

Very good.


A cage match with cane toads would be more entertaining and would have that "two birds/one stone" aspect covered.
 
2012-07-15 12:04:26 PM  

KimNorth: Why are they not using warfarin instead of poison?


Would you like a candy? It's in my front pocket.
 
2012-07-15 12:05:57 PM  

MAYORBOB: Is this the face of a killer?

[resources2.news.com.au image 650x366]

To you, it looks like a furry, cuddly little critter. To a Lord Howe woodhen or Lord Howe pied currawong it looks like Hitler. Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.


Crawled out the arse of the convict scum, sorry, Australian colonizers that came there in the first place, stinking of rum, sodomy and the lash.

And ship's biscuit.
 
2012-07-15 12:10:26 PM  
Not a joke. Just somebody with sensitities who also (somehow) likes fark.com. I see it both ways. Fark is a harsh mistress. Gotta be able to shrug off a lot here.
img3.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-15 12:12:06 PM  

Valiente: KimNorth: Why are they not using warfarin instead of poison?

Would you like a candy? It's in my front pocket.


Vermin build up a resistance to warfarin. Or so I've read.
 
2012-07-15 12:18:59 PM  
Dubbed "the last paradise" by locals, the rats have gradually taken over the island, with scientists estimating the rat population to be about 130,000 -- or about 370 rats for each human Lord Howe Island resident.

Drop me there with my Daisy and 130,000 BB's, and I'll clear that problem right up for you.
 
2012-07-15 12:20:34 PM  

MAYORBOB: Is this the face of a killer?

[resources2.news.com.au image 650x366]

To you, it looks like a furry, cuddly little critter. To a Lord Howe woodhen or Lord Howe pied currawong it looks like Hitler. Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.


They come of the boats that bring the tourist. Rats can swim very well and all it takes is a few and it is all over with.
 
2012-07-15 12:22:31 PM  

Gunderson: [blog.ljcfyi.com image 500x375]

Couldn't they wait until Caturday and drop 100 off these special forces units on the Island?


Here you go

newsimg.ngfiles.com

Problem solved.
 
2012-07-15 12:22:46 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Not a joke. Just somebody with sensitities who also (somehow) likes fark.com. I see it both ways. Fark is a harsh mistress. Gotta be able to shrug off a lot here.
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Then you are an idiot

No racism has entered here...nice try though.
 
2012-07-15 12:32:41 PM  

KimNorth: Why are they not using warfarin instead of poison?


My guess is that it can have number of (rare) side effects on humans, and in remote islands, help can be several hours away. You can bleed out incredibly fast (when Coumadin is taken by people who don't need it, it can cause severe internal bleeding - whci is how it kills rats), and often, when you feel the effects (it can take about a week of oral ingestion for it to take effect), it's too late to do anything.

Also, as ChrisDe pointed out, a lot of species have built up an immunity to it.
 
2012-07-15 12:37:49 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.


We ignore them as you should..plus lighten up ...opp's
 
2012-07-15 12:52:21 PM  

The One True TheDavid: So if they let it go the rats would eventually eat every other living thing on the island and then eat each other? So in a few years there would be nothing alive on the island but one grossly obese super-cannibal rat, who'd then starve to death?

That sounds like a great SciFi trilogy, at least.


scienceblogs.com

GOSCR? I don't think they exist...
 
2012-07-15 12:58:15 PM  
Hermione_Granger:

Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.


That some people can make racist jokes about anything with the adjective "black" in it is amazingly silly, an example of misused ingenuity, at the very least. What kind of person would do such a thing?

Even my grandmother, who used the N-word till she died at 92 and never had a black guest in her home, would give these people one of her closed-mouth glares. Her view was "black people can't help their condition so don't make fun of them for it," which while hardly enlightened is at least a step above the hateful tastelessness we see here.

There are several users in this thread who show up as "username [ignored]" so it would seem I'm missing the worst of it. I see that as good for me: arguing with those people is futile because their skulls are so thick, and it would be rude to round them up and kill them. (I'm not totally joking about that: there are a few thousand million too many people on the planet anyway, and that so many of them are those people is especially galling.)

They can help their condition but they stubbornly refuse to, and they seem to have an inexhaustible ability to argue and/or twist a scolding into another racist "joke." Since there's nothing to be gained from dealing with such people here ignoring them seems like a feasible tactic -- in this forum where nobody has to pay attention to them.

As a long-term strategy I suggest accepting the inevitability of another civil war in this country -- which will be provoked by those people in the guise of a mostly transparent "crusade" against "Obamism" and for "Christian Family Values" -- and organizing to meet the challenge when it happens. The analogy is to the Francoist rising in Spain in 1936: if the anti-fascists were better prepared they might well have won, and the history of the world would have been very different.

Yet America's current situation differs from Spain's in '36 in that we don't have two heavily-armed fascist dictatorships on our borders to intervene of the adversary's behalf; indeed it's hard to think of any country or organized foreign force that join them against us. Somehow I can't picture the Taliban or the Mexican criminal paramilitaries in cahoots with these wingnuts, for example. We'd have an easier time of it than Spain did -- if we're prepared in the first place.

I don't watch TV or listen to commercial radio and if I did I wouldn't enjoy their sources of "information," but the web has provided enough photos of their "protest" signs and examples of their disgusting rhetoric to make their continued threats of violence genuinely worrisome. It seems to me that instead of spending all our time and energy criticizing them we should be preparing to parry their sword when they unsheathe it. For that we'll need a broad, dedicated and militant coalition strong enough to kick them right back into the sewers where they belong.

And to the progressive pacifists: do you really want to live in a country they have undisputed control over? Where a glare of disapproval might get you savaged or sent to a camp? And don't kid yourselves about fleeing to Canada: there ain't that much usable room up there for all of us to flee to, nor would they welcome a humongous flood of refugees.

They will become violent. They must not win, especially not quickly and easily. We must be prepared.
 
2012-07-15 01:07:19 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC:

/Best solution: Tsunami. Evacuate the people, I guess.


FTA, the problem with that is that "drastic action was agreed to after scientists warned authorities that the native plants and animals on the World Heritage-listed island were becoming extinct." It's the old Baby And Bath Water problem. My hunch is that even the "special 'arks'" they're building for the endangered animals can't really be relied on, and there's a shortage of places to move them where they won't be judged invasive.

But this is also an economic problem for some people: "[t]he island community is also worried about the impacts the rats are having on the lucrative Kentia Palm industry, which provides crucial income to the island." Even if there were only rats and palms on the island, could the plants survive a tsunami big enough to flush the rats?
 
2012-07-15 01:09:55 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Hermione_Granger:

Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.

That some people can make racist jokes about anything with the adjective "black" in it is amazingly silly, an example of misused ingenuity, at the very least. What kind of person would do such a thing?

Even my grandmother, who used the N-word till she died at 92 and never had a black guest in her home, would give these people one of her closed-mouth glares. Her view was "black people can't help their condition so don't make fun of them for it," which while hardly enlightened is at least a step above the hateful tastelessness we see here.

There are several users in this thread who show up as "username [ignored]" so it would seem I'm missing the worst of it. I see that as good for me: arguing with those people is futile because their skulls are so thick, and it would be rude to round them up and kill them. (I'm not totally joking about that: there are a few thousand million too many people on the planet anyway, and that so many of them are those people is especially galling.)

They can help their condition but they stubbornly refuse to, and they seem to have an inexhaustible ability to argue and/or twist a scolding into another racist "joke." Since there's nothing to be gained from dealing with such people here ignoring them seems like a feasible tactic -- in this forum where nobody has to pay attention to them.

As a long-term strategy I suggest accepting the inevitability of another civil war in this country -- which will be provoked by those people in the guise of a mostly transparent "crusade" against "Obamism" and for "Christian Family Values" -- and organizing to meet the challenge when it happens. The analogy is to the Francoist rising in Spain in 1936: if the anti-fascists were better prepared they might well have won, and the history of the world would have be ...


You may want to up your meds.
 
2012-07-15 01:10:31 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Hermione_Granger:

Threads like this push my tolerance for white people to the breaking point.

It's never the outright racists; it's the white people who never say anything about them that worry me.

That some people can make racist jokes about anything with the adjective "black" in it is amazingly silly, an example of misused ingenuity, at the very least. What kind of person would do such a thing?

Even my grandmother, who used the N-word till she died at 92 and never had a black guest in her home, would give these people one of her closed-mouth glares. Her view was "black people can't help their condition so don't make fun of them for it," which while hardly enlightened is at least a step above the hateful tastelessness we see here.

There are several users in this thread who show up as "username [ignored]" so it would seem I'm missing the worst of it. I see that as good for me: arguing with those people is futile because their skulls are so thick, and it would be rude to round them up and kill them. (I'm not totally joking about that: there are a few thousand million too many people on the planet anyway, and that so many of them are those people is especially galling.)

They can help their condition but they stubbornly refuse to, and they seem to have an inexhaustible ability to argue and/or twist a scolding into another racist "joke." Since there's nothing to be gained from dealing with such people here ignoring them seems like a feasible tactic -- in this forum where nobody has to pay attention to them.

As a long-term strategy I suggest accepting the inevitability of another civil war in this country -- which will be provoked by those people in the guise of a mostly transparent "crusade" against "Obamism" and for "Christian Family Values" -- and organizing to meet the challenge when it happens. The analogy is to the Francoist rising in Spain in 1936: if the anti-fascists were better prepared they might well have won, and the history of the world would have be ...


Hey Ignatius - get back to your Lucky Dog stand.
 
2012-07-15 01:17:09 PM  
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2012-07-15 01:19:14 PM  

Valiente: MAYORBOB:

Article fails to answer how the rat got established on the island to begin with.

Crawled out the arse of the convict scum, sorry, Australian colonizers that came there in the first place, stinking of rum, sodomy and the lash.


Many of the victims of Her Late Majesty's penal colonies, who were transported for crimes like stealing a loaf of bread (literally), were the same kind of people as those persuaded, tricked or forced into immigrating to America before we seceded from that empire (my own forebears among them). What do you have against working-class British and Irish people who didn't yet control their own fate?
 
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