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(Courier Mail)   It's one thing if you refuse to vaccinate your child out of principle. It's another thing if you refuse to do it and pocket the cash the government gave you to get it done   (couriermail.com.au) divider line 135
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2012-07-15 08:18:05 AM  
In terms of societal harm, there's no difference.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-15 08:25:32 AM  
The simple way: You must bring your child to a government-run vaccination clinic, file opt-out paperwork, or go to jail.

The government way: You get a tax credit for this and a subsidy payment for that and here a form there a form everywhere a form form... hey, why isn't this working?
 
2012-07-15 10:05:14 AM  
She chose not to vaccinate 12-month-old son James after doing her own research about immunisations and wants him to build his immune system naturally.

Queensland last year recorded 3432 cases of whooping cough and 133 cases of pneumococcal, vaccine-preventable diseases that still kill babies in Australia. Up to 10 per cent of Queensland children are not fully immunised.


So that's working really well, then?
 
2012-07-15 10:09:50 AM  
DNRTFA, but I really hope this "vaccination causes autism derp" bullshiat blows over soon.
 
2012-07-15 10:42:30 AM  

Endive Wombat: DNRTFA, but I really hope this "vaccination causes autism derp" bullshiat blows over soon.


When I'm at work and I overhear coworkers derping, most of the time I let it slide, but anti-vacc nuts are one of the groups I will pounce on like a rabid dog (socially speaking).
 
2012-07-15 11:03:50 AM  

Sid_6.7: Endive Wombat: DNRTFA, but I really hope this "vaccination causes autism derp" bullshiat blows over soon.

When I'm at work and I overhear coworkers derping, most of the time I let it slide, but anti-vacc nuts are one of the groups I will pounce on like a rabid dog (socially speaking).


Same here. I quickly approach the derpers and explain that I was vaccinated growing up and I have never had any problems.

I then (mid-sentence) fake a seizure, fall to the ground, and shiat myself. After a few minutes I stand up, complete my sentence and walk away indignant.
 
2012-07-15 11:48:25 AM  

Sid_6.7: Endive Wombat: DNRTFA, but I really hope this "vaccination causes autism derp" bullshiat blows over soon.

When I'm at work and I overhear coworkers derping, most of the time I let it slide, but anti-vacc nuts are one of the groups I will pounce on like a rabid dog (socially speaking).


If it's an attractive woman, I will use the issue to "Neg" her. I find that these (mush brained) breeding sorts to be very susceptible to this technique. After all, speaking loudly about a stupid and socially irresponsible method of bringing up children -is in fact a unconscious psychological suggestion that she is indeed, ready to create children. (When in fact she is obviously not.) She is just looking for the right man to "correct" her thoughts.

Oh and men who believe this crap are probably the product of incest.
 
2012-07-15 11:52:42 AM  
It's one thing if you refuse to vaccinate your child out of principle

No. It's not.
 
2012-07-15 11:55:07 AM  
I did not have to even look at the link graphic to know this was not a story about people in the US.
 
2012-07-15 11:55:46 AM  
Personally I blame Jenny McCarthy.
 
2012-07-15 11:58:46 AM  
Sorry, subby. Both situations qualify as sociopathy.
 
2012-07-15 12:00:50 PM  
At least the person pocketing the cash has shown signs of critical thinking.
 
2012-07-15 12:01:44 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sid_6.7: Endive Wombat: DNRTFA, but I really hope this "vaccination causes autism derp" bullshiat blows over soon.

When I'm at work and I overhear coworkers derping, most of the time I let it slide, but anti-vacc nuts are one of the groups I will pounce on like a rabid dog (socially speaking).

Same here. I quickly approach the derpers and explain that I was vaccinated growing up and I have never had any problems.

I then (mid-sentence) fake a seizure, fall to the ground, and shiat myself. After a few minutes I stand up, complete my sentence and walk away indignant.


I like your style. Stupidity needs to be punished, and sometimes encouraged.
 
2012-07-15 12:04:46 PM  
How is a McCarthyism classified as an "exemption" and still allows a tax credit based on "belief?" I believe idiots need to be shot, but there's no "belief system" that can legally allow that....ugh
 
2012-07-15 12:07:42 PM  

Babwa Wawa: In terms of societal harm, there's no difference.


Actually, while I loathe both ideas, refusing to vaccinate your kid has the potential to do much more harm.
 
2012-07-15 12:09:09 PM  

Babwa Wawa: In terms of societal harm, there's no difference.


Unless they're using the money to get sterilized, I would say having the government pay them does more harm.

And whoever came up with the idea for allowing this to happen needs to get the Gomer Pyle treatment.

Because People in power are Stupid: If it's an attractive woman, I will use the issue to "Neg" her.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-07-15 12:09:21 PM  

Jobbers: At least the person pocketing the cash has shown signs of critical thinking.


Not really. "Evil gummint tryna get me to poison my kids on my tax dollars, so I'm gonna not do it and keep what's mine"

It takes a primitive understanding of concepts like chemicals and taxes, but at its core it's about the same level of maturity as a 3-year-old -- "yuck" = "NO" and "want" = "MINE"
 
2012-07-15 12:14:17 PM  

Belias: It's one thing if you refuse to vaccinate your child out of principle

No. It's not.


Sure it is, if you're doing it out of principle, it's because you're a massive idiot.

If you do it to pocket the cash, it stems from good old fashion greed.

I'd much rather people be greedy than actually be using internet rumors and blonde bimbo to make medical decision. Greed can be held in check by penalties and oversight, anti-vaccine level stupidity is a much tougher nut to crack.
 
2012-07-15 12:15:41 PM  
You mean that people who refuse to vaccinate their children (not counting those kids who have a legitimate allergy to something in the vaccine or who otherwise cannot be vaccinated) would stoop to something immoral? Say it ain't so!
 
2012-07-15 12:15:47 PM  
It has come down to bribing parents to vaccinate their kids? I don't even know what to say.
 
2012-07-15 12:16:00 PM  
Actually they are both the SAME thing: Endangering the lives of yours and other people's children for bad reasons.
 
2012-07-15 12:17:26 PM  

BMFPitt: Babwa Wawa: In terms of societal harm, there's no difference.

Unless they're using the money to get sterilized, I would say having the government pay them does more harm.

And whoever came up with the idea for allowing this to happen needs to get the Gomer Pyle treatment.

Because People in power are Stupid: If it's an attractive woman, I will use the issue to "Neg" her.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 540x931]


Ahh a good XKCD for sure. Neggers really do annoy me.
 
2012-07-15 12:17:31 PM  
Hat Tip: Instapundit this A.M. - THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD: Chicken Vaccines Combine to Produce Deadly Virus. "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals. 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

Link

Truth is, you don't know what will happen when you introduce a foreign substance into the developing immune system of a child. Statistically, up till now, the results have often been what the medical community and civil health professionals wanted. Children immune to the diseases inoculated for. But for a statistically significant minority introducing that foreign substance into the still developing immune system of a child produced awful and unexpected results.

You can argue that's too damn bad, the Common Good outweighs the few sentenced to a living hell the rest of their lives, or you can say take this shiat and shove it. But the facts are indisputable ... for some children an inoculation is the end of life as it should have been.

It's a cold hearted bastad who says tough cookies. On the other hand, 100,000 cases of polio ain't too cool, either. Hope you're a better Moral Judge than I am.
 
2012-07-15 12:17:31 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: It has come down to bribing parents to vaccinate their kids? I don't even know what to say.


Don't forget - these people are more willing to take medical advice from a Playboy bunny than people who are trained in medicine.

/Stop the planet - I want off
 
2012-07-15 12:19:28 PM  
She chose not to vaccinate 12-month-old son James after doing her own research about immunisations and wants him to build his immune system naturally.
She is a registered conscientious objector and has no problem telling people James is not immunised.
"People don't understand it. It's a parent's choice and I think that's why people don't discuss it with me," Mrs Burcin said.


Well sure, if you get whooping cough there's a 93% chance that you'll survive and be immune, after weeks of horrible coughing that you're too young to even comprehend. And vaccinations are like 100% fatal. It's just simple math, people.
 
2012-07-15 12:19:55 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Hat Tip: Instapundit this A.M. - THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD: Chicken Vaccines Combine to Produce Deadly Virus. "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals. 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

Link

Truth is, you don't know what will happen when you introduce a foreign substance into the developing immune system of a child. Statistically, up till now, the results have often been what the medical community and civil health professionals wanted. Children immune to the diseases inoculated for. But for a statistically significant minority introducing that foreign substance into the still developing immune system of a child produced awful and unexpected results.

You can argue that's too damn bad, the Common Good outweighs the few sentenced to a living hell the rest of their lives, or you can say take this shiat and shove it. But the facts are indisputable ... for some children an inoculation is the end of life as it should have been.

It's a cold hearted bastad who says tough cookies. On the other hand, 100,000 cases of polio ain't too cool, either. Hope you're a better Moral Judge than I am.


Actually, we have decades of research that DO tell us what happens when vaccines are administered to children. These statistics include hundreds of millions (if not billions) of inoculations. Stop being stupid.
 
2012-07-15 12:20:03 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Ahh a good XKCD for sure. Neggers really do annoy me.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-15 12:21:18 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Hat Tip: Instapundit this A.M. - THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD: Chicken Vaccines Combine to Produce Deadly Virus. "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals. 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

Link

Truth is, you don't know what will happen when you introduce a foreign substance into the developing immune system of a child. Statistically, up till now, the results have often been what the medical community and civil health professionals wanted. Children immune to the diseases inoculated for. But for a statistically significant minority introducing that foreign substance into the still developing immune system of a child produced awful and unexpected results.

You can argue that's too damn bad, the Common Good outweighs the few sentenced to a living hell the rest of their lives, or you can say take this shiat and shove it. But the facts are indisputable ... for some children an inoculation is the end of life as it should have been.

It's a cold hearted bastad who says tough cookies. On the other hand, 100,000 cases of polio ain't too cool, either. Hope you're a better Moral Judge than I am.


Not sure if you intended to, but you linked to an article about injecting shiat into livestock, just incase you wanted to support your view point with something more substantial then that.
 
2012-07-15 12:22:22 PM  
I try to be objective in most cases, but the anti-vaxer stance is one that is just so thoroughly stupid, it's impossible to.
 
2012-07-15 12:22:32 PM  
Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.
 
2012-07-15 12:23:09 PM  
If you can't take care of your child, and having them vaccinated counts toward that care, then DON'T have kids.
 
2012-07-15 12:23:53 PM  
Can we just get the anti-vaxers charged with child abuse and call it good? Put a stop to this shiat right quickly.
 
2012-07-15 12:25:36 PM  

divx88: I try to be objective in most cases, but the anti-vaxer stance is one that is just so thoroughly stupid, it's impossible to.


Don't you understand, man? You don't know. No one knows. How can anyone know? It's like, anything can happen if you put a vaccine into a kid. This has never been done before, so no one knows what the effect will be. Doctors, like, have these motives that no one understands. It's--it's like nature, man. Nature.
 
2012-07-15 12:25:37 PM  

Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.


I'd be okay with this. There's no reason the rest of society should have to be exposed to the consequences of an anti-vaccine parent's decisions. I'd extend the ban to public transit as well as air travel.
 
2012-07-15 12:28:27 PM  
Surprised Penn & Teller hasn't been posted yet ... always seems to be in these threads.
 
2012-07-15 12:28:27 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.

I'd be okay with this. There's no reason the rest of society should have to be exposed to the consequences of an anti-vaccine parent's decisions. I'd extend the ban to public transit as well as air travel.


and living within city boundaries, I don't want no Typhoid Marys wandering around the streets where me or my own children could be. Think of the children.
 
2012-07-15 12:28:49 PM  

gimmegimme: divx88: I try to be objective in most cases, but the anti-vaxer stance is one that is just so thoroughly stupid, it's impossible to.

Don't you understand, man? You don't know. No one knows. How can anyone know? It's like, anything can happen if you put a vaccine into a kid. This has never been done before, so no one knows what the effect will be. Doctors, like, have these motives that no one understands. It's--it's like nature, man. Nature.


That's just like your opinion, man.
 
2012-07-15 12:29:15 PM  
She chose not to vaccinate 12-month-old son James after doing her own research about immunisations and wants him to build his immune system naturally.

Did her own research, eh? That'll draw on a degree in medicine or biochemistry, will it?
 
2012-07-15 12:31:42 PM  

orbister: She chose not to vaccinate 12-month-old son James after doing her own research about immunisations and wants him to build his immune system naturally.

Did her own research, eh? That'll draw on a degree in medicine or biochemistry, will it?


Well, I'm getting my online GED in Epidemiology. I start my residency at indigochildren.com next week.
 
2012-07-15 12:32:06 PM  

Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.


Actually the nuttiest of the nuts are banding together and making their own schools. Often when you hear about a breakout its in one of these hotspots.

The people who intentionally give their kids chicken pox kill me. Risking viral meningitis and shingles down the road, not to mention eating up two weeks of vacation time being home with sicko cranky kid(s) doling out oatmeal baths. Brilliant. To me, going on a family vacation and avoiding illness seems like the vastly superior option, but what do I know?
 
2012-07-15 12:35:30 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Hat Tip: Instapundit this A.M. - THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD: Chicken Vaccines Combine to Produce Deadly Virus. "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals. 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

Link

Truth is, you don't know what will happen when you introduce a foreign substance into the developing immune system of a child. Statistically, up till now, the results have often been what the medical community and civil health professionals wanted. Children immune to the diseases inoculated for. But for a statistically significant minority introducing that foreign substance into the still developing immune system of a child produced awful and unexpected results.

You can argue that's too damn bad, the Common Good outweighs the few sentenced to a living hell the rest of their lives, or you can say take this shiat and shove it. But the facts are indisputable ... for some children an inoculation is the end of life as it should have been.

It's a cold hearted bastad who says tough cookies. On the other hand, 100,000 cases of polio ain't too cool, either. Hope you're a better Moral Judge than I am.


Charles Manson is a better moral judge than you are.
 
2012-07-15 12:38:23 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: BumpInTheNight: Ahh a good XKCD for sure. Neggers really do annoy me.

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x494]


www.cateringspecialist.com
 
2012-07-15 12:39:22 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Clemkadidlefark: Hat Tip: Instapundit this A.M. - THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD: Chicken Vaccines Combine to Produce Deadly Virus. "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals. 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

Link

Truth is, you don't know what will happen when you introduce a foreign substance into the developing immune system of a child. Statistically, up till now, the results have often been what the medical community and civil health professionals wanted. Children immune to the diseases inoculated for. But for a statistically significant minority introducing that foreign substance into the still developing immune system of a child produced awful and unexpected results.

You can argue that's too damn bad, the Common Good outweighs the few sentenced to a living hell the rest of their lives, or you can say take this shiat and shove it. But the facts are indisputable ... for some children an inoculation is the end of life as it should have been.

It's a cold hearted bastad who says tough cookies. On the other hand, 100,000 cases of polio ain't too cool, either. Hope you're a better Moral Judge than I am.

Charles Manson is a better moral judge than you are.


Charles Manson is also responsible for far fewer deaths than Jenny McCarthy.
 
2012-07-15 12:40:18 PM  

BumpInTheNight:
Not sure if you intended to, but you linked to an article about injecting shiat into livestock, just incase you wanted to support your view point with something more substantial then that.


i203.photobucket.com

Naw, he meant to do that.

It'll take him awhile to type out a response, because he uses ... the hunt and peck method.

/YEEEaahhh..
 
2012-07-15 12:41:27 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.

Actually the nuttiest of the nuts are banding together and making their own schools. Often when you hear about a breakout its in one of these hotspots.


All the better. Cull the herd.
 
2012-07-15 12:42:55 PM  
I'M PROUD OF HOW STUPID I AM AND NO ONE HAS THE POWER TO STOP MY STUPID!
 
2012-07-15 12:45:42 PM  

Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.


That used to be the case. In 1997, among the usual information to enroll my daughter in kindergarten, I had to provide the records proving she had recieved all her vaccinations.
 
2012-07-15 12:47:41 PM  

Crackers Are a Family Food: LiberalEastCoastElitist: It has come down to bribing parents to vaccinate their kids? I don't even know what to say.

Don't forget - these people are more willing to take medical advice from a Playboy bunny than people who are trained in medicine.

/Stop the planet - I want off


So tell me again, what is the downside if idiots and their spawn die off? Evolution in action.
 
2012-07-15 12:48:07 PM  

Honest Bender: LiberalEastCoastElitist: Honest Bender: Simple an effective solution:

You have to vaccinate your child for them to attend public school.

Actually the nuttiest of the nuts are banding together and making their own schools. Often when you hear about a breakout its in one of these hotspots.

All the better. Cull the herd.


Yeah, it's better...until the disease mutates and speads to the rest of the population.

/I have no idea how likely that would be.
//why risk it?
 
2012-07-15 12:49:53 PM  

BummerDuck: Crackers Are a Family Food: LiberalEastCoastElitist: It has come down to bribing parents to vaccinate their kids? I don't even know what to say.

Don't forget - these people are more willing to take medical advice from a Playboy bunny than people who are trained in medicine.

/Stop the planet - I want off

So tell me again, what is the downside if idiots and their spawn die off? Evolution in action.


The problem is that the anti-vaxx parents are directly responsible for infecting the small percentage of kids who CAN'T have the vaccine for whatever reason. The parents of those kids would LOVE to vaccinate their children, but they can't. The anti-vaxx parents expose the unprotected children to whooping cough and measles and all of those other diseases that are eradicated except for the crazy people.
 
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