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2012-07-15 01:49:02 AM
Once again, the United States has been screwed over by Nebraska. -_-
 
2012-07-15 08:40:21 AM

Captain Steroid: Once again, the United States has been screwed over by Nebraska. -_-


If you mean not being able to see the amusing hijinx of the GOP convention being usurped by Ron Paul's minions.... I guess we have been screwed out of that sideshow.
 
2012-07-15 08:53:12 AM
From a purely objective view, that article sucked for now having some key pieces of information, like how many he needed to win and what the threshhold was.
 
2012-07-15 08:54:02 AM
RON PAUL was going to lose in Nebraska, no matter what.

Entrenched power doesn't like upstart challengers. Romney's coronation will go ahead, exactly as planned.
 
2012-07-15 09:02:22 AM
Oh what a shame, the voters will get listened to and RON PAUL won't be able to finish usurping democracy.
 
2012-07-15 11:10:10 AM
Republicans still remember 1992 and Ross Perot. They were never going to allow a repeat.

// Perot taunted Bush senior all through the election, stole many votes from him, which helped Clinton get elected.
 
2012-07-15 11:14:25 AM
ron paul
 
2012-07-15 11:30:15 AM
lh4.ggpht.com
 
2012-07-15 11:38:13 AM

vygramul: From a purely objective view, that article sucked for now having some key pieces of information, like how many he needed to win and what the threshhold was.


It notes that he needed a plurality in Nebraska to get the 5th plurality state he needed, and that there were 35 delegates at stake. I'd hope you can handle the math, but perhaps you haven't sobered up enough to handle word problems.
 
2012-07-15 11:38:56 AM

Captain Steroid: Once again, the United States has been screwed over by Nebraska. -_-


You sound Jayhawker.
 
2012-07-15 11:53:08 AM

bloobeary: Entrenched power doesn't like upstart challengers. Romney's coronation will go ahead, exactly as planned.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-15 12:07:06 PM
Link Farked (on my phone)
 
2012-07-15 12:09:23 PM

bloobeary: Entrenched power doesn't like upstart challengers. Romney's coronation will go ahead, exactly as planned.


Upstart?

The guy's been in Congress for 30+ years and ran for President in 1988, 2008 and now 2012.

Upstart doesn't mean what you think it means...
 
2012-07-15 12:16:18 PM

Generation_D: Republicans still remember 1992 and Ross Perot. They were never going to allow a repeat.

// Perot taunted Bush senior all through the election, stole many votes from him, which helped Clinton get elected.


Oh, so much THIS
 
2012-07-15 12:19:16 PM
Cant wait to hear all the RON PAUL conspiracies as to why he didnt make it. Or rather, the TRUTH about how many delegates are REALLY out there.

Link
 
2012-07-15 12:32:49 PM
Dammit I was so looking forward to seeing this at the GOP convention:

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2012-07-15 12:37:39 PM
There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.

Or is that fact ancient history?

photos.imageevent.com

Have you been bought and paid for or are you still searching for a truth?
 
2012-07-15 12:44:29 PM

StokeyBob: There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.

Or is that fact ancient history?

[photos.imageevent.com image 448x600]

Have you been bought and paid for or are you still searching for a truth?


lolwut?
 
2012-07-15 01:12:23 PM
Hell, I even thought I was dead 'til I found out it was just that I was in Nebraska

/obscure?
 
2012-07-15 01:14:50 PM

AnonAmbientLight: Cant wait to hear all the RON PAUL conspiracies as to why he didnt make it. Or rather, the TRUTH about how many delegates are REALLY out there.

Link


It's not really a conspiracy theory, the GOP leadership wants nothing to do with their favorite obstinate mule and so Ron Paul has been ignored or shoved to the side because if he were given the treatment every other candidate got the moronic public might fall for his nonsense the same way paultards do and because they just don'[t like him.
 
2012-07-15 01:26:04 PM

DeltaPunch: Dammit I was so looking forward to seeing this at the GOP convention:

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You forgot to post a link:

Ron Paul Makes Campaign Stop In Whimsical Jalopy
 
2012-07-15 01:39:29 PM

StokeyBob: There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.

Or is that fact ancient history?

[photos.imageevent.com image 448x600]

Have you been bought and paid for or are you still searching for a truth?


encrypted-tbn0.google.com

Take your pick.
 
2012-07-15 01:49:56 PM
Link is Ron Paul'd on my phone.
 
2012-07-15 01:55:13 PM

gingerjet: Hell, I even thought I was dead 'til I found out it was just that I was in Nebraska

/obscure?


Not by a long shot. I was born there.
 
2012-07-15 01:55:31 PM

StokeyBob: There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.


It's amazing how Paultards keep trying to make such a big deal about "OMG, people climbed trees to see Ron Paul! That means he's America's president!"

To understand the desperation among Paultards to make tree climbing a big dea, a google for "ron paul" "climb trees" ucla yields 28,400 results.

encrypted-tbn2.google.com

encrypted-tbn1.google.com

OMG, this is a sign of a mass political movement!
 
2012-07-15 02:02:34 PM
Psst Ron Paul. Leave the GOP and run third party. Watch Romney squirm.
 
2012-07-15 02:08:14 PM
well. This sucks.

back to a douche and a turd sammich
 
2012-07-15 02:09:13 PM

deadcrickets: Psst Ron Paul. Leave the GOP and run third party. Watch Romney squirm.

An issue with that is he'd get locked out of the debates.

They seem to only want republicans & democrats in debates. Remember Nader?

 
2012-07-15 02:17:53 PM

vegasj: well. This sucks.

back to a douche and a turd sammich


RON PAUL was both so I don't see what we were missing anyway.
 
2012-07-15 02:22:49 PM

GAT_00: Oh what a shame, the voters will get listened to and RON PAUL won't be able to finish usurping democracy.


Because democrazy has been working so well...
 
2012-07-15 02:29:56 PM
At this point in the race now, Ron Paul supporters have a decision to make -

- Should they surrender to the two party system and support a retiring candidate that won't be on the ballot in November, even if they mess up Romney's fun (and if they do, I see it as a good thing regardless)

- Should they start bringing third parties to national prominence and support Gary Johnson, who WILL be on the national ballot.

I look at it this way: If Ron Paul prevents Romney from getting elected, good; however it's a hollow victory if it also prevents the Libertarians from getting out of the typical third party rut. It doesn't matter which we you lean politically - we need a choice beyond two people. DESPERATELY.
 
2012-07-15 02:39:29 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: StokeyBob: There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.

Or is that fact ancient history?

[photos.imageevent.com image 448x600]

Have you been bought and paid for or are you still searching for a truth?

lolwut?


When I started looking into where the money was coming from to buy off the politicians and subvert the immigration laws of the world, I came across what may be the root of many of our problems. Fiat Money.

No matter how much real money people can put together to build their countries the way they want, there are those that can print up what ever it takes to dictate their way.


photos.imageevent.comClick to embiggen
 
2012-07-15 02:57:22 PM
The REAL conspiracy is that Ron Paul worked with the Republican Party to be the "outsider" candidate, knowing full well he had no plans to run 3rd party. He would keep those votes from REALLY going third party, or even looking at an alternative candidate outside the Republican Party.

Ron Paul supporters fell for it. You've been bamboozled... hoodwinked...

There are several 3rd party candidates that could be invited to the presidential debates if Ron Paul supporters had backed them, instead of another lifelong Republican. We could actually have a national debate about alternative candidates. Ron Paul made sure that didn't happen.
 
2012-07-15 03:01:34 PM

StokeyBob: No matter how much real money people can put together to build their countries the way they want, there are those that can print up what ever it takes to dictate their way.


Click to embiggen


United States GDP: 15 trillion
United States currency in circulation: 1.1 trillion.

So to put those numbers into your embiggened analogy we - the citizens, and them - the government both started with 1 super dollar. Then instead of the federal reserve going out and just printing eight more super dollars, the citizenry went out and produced 14.

Also, how is the government just saying "This is how much a dollar is worth" different from it saying "This is how much gold a dollar bill is worth"; or is RON PAULS plan to find enough gold to mint money for every person in the country, and everyone else on the planet that want to use US currency? Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.
 
2012-07-15 03:03:31 PM
Iowa Caucus: Ron Paul finishes third in votes.
Louisiana Primary: Ron Paul finishes third with less than 17% of the vote to Santorum's 42%.
Maine Caucus: Ron Paul finishes 2nd to Mitt Romney in votes.
Minnesota Caucus: Ron Paul finishes 2nd in votes, 17% behind Mitt Romney.

And yet his supporters hijacked the voters' will at all four of those states' conventions. What a messed up system that let him do even this well.
 
2012-07-15 03:05:10 PM

Karac: Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.


It's important we base our economy on a metal used primarily for jewelery.
 
2012-07-15 03:07:03 PM

downpaymentblues: Karac: Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.

It's important we base our economy on a metal used primarily for jewelery.


After all, gold has inherent value that is in no way exactly as arbitrary as any other currency! Shininess equals VALUE.
 
2012-07-15 03:07:15 PM

kevinatilusa: Iowa Caucus: Ron Paul finishes third in votes.
Louisiana Primary: Ron Paul finishes third with less than 17% of the vote to Santorum's 42%.
Maine Caucus: Ron Paul finishes 2nd to Mitt Romney in votes.
Minnesota Caucus: Ron Paul finishes 2nd in votes, 17% behind Mitt Romney.

And yet his supporters hijacked the voters' will at all four of those states' conventions. What a messed up system that let him do even this well.


What can I say? We can spread democracy and free and fair elections to Iraq but not to the Republicans.
 
2012-07-15 03:15:21 PM

kevinatilusa: And yet his supporters hijacked the voters' will at all four of those states' conventions. What a messed up system that let him do even this well.


Yeah, you know nothing about the delegate process.

Delegates are elected at local levels to be sent to the state conventions. It is delegates who make party rules, write the platform and choose a national nominee. The 'will of the people' in a straw poll is worthless when the rules are delegate-centered.
 
2012-07-15 03:19:32 PM

LordJiro: downpaymentblues: Karac: Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.

It's important we base our economy on a metal used primarily for jewelery.

After all, gold has inherent value that is in no way exactly as arbitrary as any other currency! Shininess equals VALUE.


I say we go back to using salt as currency. PLENTY of that.
 
2012-07-15 03:21:21 PM

o5iiawah: Delegates are elected at local levels to be sent to the state conventions. It is delegates who make party rules, write the platform and choose a national nominee. The 'will of the people' in a straw poll is worthless when the rules are delegate-centered.


Um. That was his point. It is pretty horrible that the will of the people in those states was trumped by archaic "party rules". He understands it. He thinks it is wrong.
 
2012-07-15 03:23:34 PM

Karac: So to put those numbers into your embiggened analogy we - the citizens, and them - the government both started with 1 super dollar. Then instead of the federal reserve going out and just printing eight more super dollars, the citizenry went out and produced 14.

Also, how is the government just saying "This is how much a dollar is worth" different from it saying "This is how much gold a dollar bill is worth"; or is RON PAULS plan to find enough gold to mint money for every person in the country, and everyone else on the planet that want to use US currency? Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.



I was just using a hypothetical example. In reality they have given those that probably shouldn't of had any say with a dollar twenty six times the say as the people with the honest dollar.

photos.imageevent.com


Why couldn't an honest fiat maintain a stable value and expand with the amount of stuff we have? If you double your stuff and double the money supply it should remain stable and something people could once again save and bank on.

Once you grab the concept of the corrupt fiat Super Dollar some other concepts may come into view.

~No matter where you aunt Martha hid the sugar jar with here savings in it others are able to slither in like vampires in the night and suck the strength out of it. (Total understatement. They are also slithering in and sucking the value out of the jar, the shelf it is on, the property it is on, and everything else. Everything!)

~Sure if the double the money supply your Uncle Phil gets twice as much when he sells his stocks but he is getting twice as many of something worth half as much. Plus some of the very people that counterfeited the money supply have now cut themselves in on his stuff with capital gains taxes.

Are these the false profits we were warned about?
 
2012-07-15 03:28:58 PM
Ron Paul wants to stop the wars.

If we don't help him, who will help us?

Ron Paul

If we find we need a military to do so, will we be able to borrow ours back?
 
2012-07-15 04:00:45 PM

StokeyBob: Why couldn't an honest fiat maintain a stable value and expand with the amount of stuff we have? If you double your stuff and double the money supply it should remain stable and something people could once again save and bank on.


Currency is a medium of exchange. The purpose of currency is to encourage the flow of goods.

An inflationary currency encourages the flow of goods by punishing people who refuse to participate. Ergo, an inflationary medium of exchange is one that encourages exchanges. This is a feature.

~No matter where you aunt Martha hid the sugar jar with here savings in it others are able to slither in like vampires in the night and suck the strength out of it.

How does hiding money in a sugar jar help the economy? How does being kept in a sugar jar fulfill the purpose as a medium of exchange?

~Sure if the double the money supply your Uncle Phil gets twice as much when he sells his stocks but he is getting twice as many of something worth half as much. Plus some of the very people that counterfeited the money supply have now cut themselves in on his stuff with capital gains taxes.

According to the west egg inflation calculator, it takes about 25 years for inflation to double.

Which means that Uncle Phil's company stayed flat relative to inflation for 25 years. It didn't become more profitable. It didn't sell more product. It didn't attract more customers. It is exactly the same place it is now that it was when Phil started. In other words, Phil made a bad investment. And he is being punished accordingly. If bad investments aren't punished, then there is no risk. And if there is no risk, then why do we reward the winners?

But let's look at how much Phil actually lost. The capital gains tax is 15% of the profit, which is 50% of the final value. Which means that Phil lost 7.5% on a bad investment over the course of 25 years. Which amounts to basically a 0.3% loss per year.

Question: If Phil saw that his stock price wasn't changing at all relative to inflation for 25 years, why would he continue to hold onto it? Phil must be an idiot. If it went down and went back up, then Phil should have gotten out as soon as the stock returned to normal. If it went up and then went back down, then Phil should have sold the stock when it was up. It's the job of the investor to take inflation into account. If he can't do that, then he must be really bad at it, so why are we rewarding him?

So Phil made a bad investment, and lost a rather insignificant amount of money after 25 years. Rather than saying, "Gee, maybe Phil should have made a better investment that was capable of beating inflation," your solution is "Let's create a monetary policy where Phil doesn't lose any money." Because, you know, screw personal responsibility.
 
2012-07-15 04:07:34 PM
Good. Like we need any more Nebraskans taking this nutcase's message seriously.
 
2012-07-15 04:17:58 PM
nicedeb.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-15 04:38:36 PM

vegasj: deadcrickets: Psst Ron Paul. Leave the GOP and run third party. Watch Romney squirm.
An issue with that is he'd get locked out of the debates.

They seem to only want republicans & democrats in debates. Remember Nader?


Remember big ears?
 
2012-07-15 04:42:35 PM

downpaymentblues: LordJiro: downpaymentblues: Karac: Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.

It's important we base our economy on a metal used primarily for jewelery.

After all, gold has inherent value that is in no way exactly as arbitrary as any other currency! Shininess equals VALUE.

I say we go back to using salt as currency. PLENTY of that.


Had a conversation with a Rontard a few months back who proposed, straight faced, competing currencies. They would each be independent and their value would be based on whatever the people behind it could come up with. Better still, the population would invest in those currencies, inflating the ones they felt were better. That's right, he was proposing a stock market monetary system.
 
2012-07-15 04:53:51 PM

StokeyBob: Doktor_Zhivago: StokeyBob: There could come a time when no matter how much money you and your friends can bring together to build your world they way you want, others can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to buy their way.

Or is that fact ancient history?

[photos.imageevent.com image 448x600]

That doesn't make any farking sense. So we go back to the gold standard? Or am i getting trolled....

Have you been bought and paid for or are you still searching for a truth?

lolwut?

When I started looking into where the money was coming from to buy off the politicians and subvert the immigration laws of the world, I came across what may be the root of many of our problems. Fiat Money.

No matter how much real money people can put together to build their countries the way they want, there are those that can print up what ever it takes to dictate their way.


[photos.imageevent.com image 130x155]Click to embiggen

 
2012-07-15 05:18:17 PM

Flappyhead: downpaymentblues: LordJiro: downpaymentblues: Karac: Because those would be some damn small coins and I'd rather not lose a years pay in the cushions of my couch.

It's important we base our economy on a metal used primarily for jewelery.

After all, gold has inherent value that is in no way exactly as arbitrary as any other currency! Shininess equals VALUE.

I say we go back to using salt as currency. PLENTY of that.

Had a conversation with a Rontard a few months back who proposed, straight faced, competing currencies. They would each be independent and their value would be based on whatever the people behind it could come up with. Better still, the population would invest in those currencies, inflating the ones they felt were better. That's right, he was proposing a stock market monetary system.


And?

Out of all the Paul-tardiness in this thread, that's actually a reasonable idea.
 
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