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2012-07-15 09:23:59 AM  

bugontherug: Brubold: cameroncrazy1984: The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.

Factcheck.org and other sources have shown that Romney wasn't running Bain after 1999 but keep farking that chicken.

Way to unthinkingly regurgitate media derp. You and Factcheck miss the point.

Mitt Romney was no mere shareholder collecting money based on the actions of distant managers over whom he had no real authority. No.

Mitt Romney had full legal control of Bain Capital. He could have directed Bain to act differently than it did at any time. He personally profited from what happened at Bain Capital. By any reasonable standard applied by any fair minded person, Mitt Romney is personally responsible for the actions of Bain Capital.

This is one people can understand. Mitt Romney both took the money from, and could have stopped the outsourcing of American jobs overseas. This isn't one that's going away because Factcheck got its assessment wrong, and the corporate controlled media is circling the wagons to protect a favored son. Just as Reagan famously boasted of "going around the media," so is the Obama campaign going around the media on this. And it should: if the media are committed to obfuscating the facts, someone needs to get the truth out there.


Well you can include the other major fact checking site Politifact as well. They call this lie "half true" but in their write up they agree with Factcheck and the other sources as far as Romney basically leaving Bain in 1999.

I guess the truth has a Republican bias? Notice I didn't say conservative bias because Romney isn't a conservative.
 
2012-07-15 09:24:33 AM  
I want to take America back and provide jobs again.
Not a traditional manufacturing job, those are gone, I'm talking Jobs 2.0
I want a job at a company that pays me $100,000 a year while I do nothing for it in exchange.
Vote Romney and we can all experience that dream!

/by reading about it.
 
2012-07-15 09:24:40 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: "screwing companies for profit"-

You actually typed this sentence. The fact that you did clearly demonstrates that you have no idea about how finance or private equity works. You've built this false picture in your mind about an evil political opponent and his evil past and facts and logic will not dissuade you from that view.


Fair point. He didn't screw over the companies.

He just screwed over 1) the workforce, 2) the pensioners, and 3) even the previous management, just to name a few of the people who get f*cked in leveraged buyouts. But on paper, those companies sure looked a lot better when Mitt's company got done with them!
 
2012-07-15 09:25:29 AM  

b0rg9: "President is a divider, not a uniter..."


Oh give me a break. This is coming from the same network that treats Obama like he's the enemy of the state.
 
2012-07-15 09:25:38 AM  
Listening to the Bain guy on MSNBC trying to explain this situation. I think it really illustrates Mitt's issue on this. This was perfectly normal within their little bubble of the super-rich, but it sounds completely foreign and inconceivable to the 99.99% who don't exist in their special world. Statements like "stop focusing on the $100,000 salary he was paid during the 3-year transition period, that's not important. He made much more off his investments" are perfectly true, but show just how out of touch those people are.
 
2012-07-15 09:25:39 AM  

Brubold: I guess the truth has a Republican bias? Notice I didn't say conservative bias because Romney isn't a conservative.


LOLWUT?
 
2012-07-15 09:26:01 AM  

Brubold: Well you can include the other major fact checking site Politifact as well. They call this lie "half true" but in their write up they agree with Factcheck and the other sources as far as Romney basically leaving Bain in 1999.

I guess the truth has a Republican bias? Notice I didn't say conservative bias because Romney isn't a conservative.


No, it's that Factcheck doesn't understand when actions are properly imputed to a person. For example, when a person could stop an action, and personally profits from it, those actions are fairly imputed to him.
 
2012-07-15 09:27:09 AM  
"The real Romney is clearly an extraordinarily ambitious man with no perceivable political principle whatsover. He is the most intellectually dishonest human being in the history of politics."

~Barney Frank
 
2012-07-15 09:29:23 AM  

coeyagi: tlchwi02: the thing that i find strange is that romney could provide documentation (his tax return, presumebly) that would put this whole thing to bed if he wanted to.

why doesn't mitt romney want to simply stop this issue? what is in those documents that he is so afraid of people seeing????

It's a smoking gun, probably. But at the same time, only a few GOPers are asking for it and the base probably doesn't care because it's all a liberal conspiracy according to Faux. At the point where Cain was imploding, he had so much other crap that I think the GOP was glad to see him go and they had plenty of Super PACs lighting his funeral pyre in favor of more "serious" candidates.

Romney is it. The establishment doesn't want Paul and as long as the GOP supports Mittens, as they will, they're hoping like hell several more news cycles and a September / October surprise will carry him through the storm.


In the one full tax return Romney has released, for tax year 2010, he takes the State and local income tax deduction, showing his adjusted gross income but the actual street address and name of the state is redacted.

Schedule A of his 2010 Federal return (the schedule for itemized deductions) indicates he paid $672K in state and local taxes on $21M of adjusted gross income - that's 3.2%

Now he did have $3M of charitable gifts so if MA doesn't cap those that lowers him to $18M AGI as the denomiator for an effective rate of 3.7%, But MA's tax rate on both regular income and capital gains was 5.3% at the time.

That's a huge gap unless he was claiming partial year residency in a non-tax state like NH. So it seems likely from this evidence that that is what he did.

Maybe the MA dept of revenue should audit!

The MittWits sole released tax returns may be hiding felony voter fraud in the 2010 midterm elections.
 
2012-07-15 09:32:51 AM  

Mrtraveler01: b0rg9: "President is a divider, not a uniter..."

Oh give me a break. This is coming from the same network that treats Obama like he's the enemy of the state.


Its a self-fulfilling prophecy for them. They claim that Obama will devide the country and then they do everything in their power to make sure they NEVER agree with him on ANYTHING and are constantly at odds. Then they can technically admit that yes, Obama did not unite the country. What they will leave out is the fact that its their fault.

Its like saying that someone will be late for an important meeting and be unreliable, then you take out the air in their tires so and then complain that they are late.
 
2012-07-15 09:33:16 AM  
So Romney did nothing wrong here. He is neither lying to the SEC nor the public with his contradictory statements. He's simply demonstrating his history of "hands off" style of management. Have I got this right?
 
2012-07-15 09:34:35 AM  
The Tampa convention is going to be a mess this year, and I look forward to the carnage.

Bonus: Concealed carriers at the convention.
 
2012-07-15 09:37:35 AM  

Raharu: MeinRS6: The Bain crap is going no where.

Liberals are desperate because Obama sucks ass as president.

You sound tired Meinrs.


And obsessed with ass.
 
2012-07-15 09:38:17 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: b0rg9: "President is a divider, not a uniter..."

Oh give me a break. This is coming from the same network that treats Obama like he's the enemy of the state.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy for them. They claim that Obama will devide the country and then they do everything in their power to make sure they NEVER agree with him on ANYTHING and are constantly at odds. Then they can technically admit that yes, Obama did not unite the country. What they will leave out is the fact that its their fault.

Its like saying that someone will be late for an important meeting and be unreliable, then you take out the air in their tires so and then complain that they are late.


It's not just that -- in this case, it's blatant misdirection. They dont want to address that either Mittens is lying like a rug, or he's guilty of filing fraudulent documents with the SEC. Since it would be detrimental to even try to talk to those points, they're doing the only thing they can -- trying to change the subject.
 
2012-07-15 09:40:11 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: So Romney did nothing wrong here. He is neither lying to the SEC nor the public with his contradictory statements. He's simply demonstrating his history of "hands off" style of management. Have I got this right?


...which begs the question, will he continue this "hands off" style management in the Presidency, and just let government just do what it does without any oversight?

Which is it kids? Do you want a President who takes no responsibility for his Administration? Which is it?

THIS is the problem with Romney. It has been my problem with him since my UMaine days, before he headed to Utah. THIS is an issue. It always has been. Zero responsibility, and the only folks who champion this guy are folks who either are going to profit directly from him, or folks who haven't been paying attention to what he's been doing for over 20 years...
 
2012-07-15 09:40:18 AM  

Mrtraveler01: This is coming from the same network that treats Obama like he's the enemy of the state.


How's that any different from the GOP embracing Ayn Rand as their almighty lord and saviour, screeching that taxes and unions are Satanic and filibustering every single bill that passes through, and then claiming that Obama is a do-nothing with a lousy economic record?
 
2012-07-15 09:42:52 AM  

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Raharu: MeinRS6: The Bain crap is going no where.

Liberals are desperate because Obama sucks ass as president.

You sound tired Meinrs.

And obsessed with ass.


NTTAWWT...

You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung
Wanna pull up tough
Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh, baby I wanna get with ya
 
2012-07-15 09:44:53 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-15 09:45:37 AM  

Brubold: Well you can include the other major fact checking site Politifact as well. They call this lie "half true" but in their write up they agree with Factcheck and the other sources as far as Romney basically leaving Bain in 1999.


Personally, assuming strong evidence comes out that he was really absent, I can accept that.

But we do need that evidence, since we're starting from a place where Romney is officially and legally "CEO" and "Owner." Those titles by default suggest active control and management of the company, so IF he wants to claim that he wasn't exercising control, the burden of proof is on him.

Then we need to verify that it is acceptable practice to file as CEO and Owner without having any involvement in the company. Once that's clear, then it's safe to say Romney didn't break any rules.

But even if he didn't break any rules, he's still open to criticism, based on questions such as:

- Why DID you remain CEO and Owner even though your hands were completely off? Why not step down, even if the intent is only temporarily, and let whoever the practical CEO was be the official CEO?
- (As someone pointed out upthread), if you are officially CEO and Owner, even though you were absent, shouldn't you still implicitly bear responsibility for whatever happened that time? If not, why didn't you step down/divest?
- What planet do you come from where you can be completely gone and do nothing yet retain the title of CEO and draw a six-figure salary?
 
2012-07-15 09:45:40 AM  

hubiestubert: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Raharu: MeinRS6: The Bain crap is going no where.

Liberals are desperate because Obama sucks ass as president.

You sound tired Meinrs.

And obsessed with ass.

NTTAWWT...

You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung
Wanna pull up tough
Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh, baby I wanna get with ya


I only trust people who like big butts. They cannot lie.

/Rmoney's wife has a skinny ass
 
2012-07-15 09:47:49 AM  
FTFA: It is well established that Mitt Romney left Bain to go salvage the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. It is also well established that his name remained on some SEC documents. This stems from winding down his partnership interest in Bain Capital. It is a quirk in the law. It has been well vetted. Even http://FactCheck.org/ and the Washington Post are unpersuaded by Team Obama's hyperbole.

It really doesn't matter even if this dude is 100% correct in is claim. It resonates with the voter and puts doubt in their minds regarding Romney. I must admit I am having a bit of schadenfreude regarding the whole situation of the Republicans having Rovian style campaign tactics used successfully by President Obama's campaign against them. The problem with the Republican's attempted defense is they have already discounted them in previous elections. They have cast doubt on the integrity of both FactCheck.org and The Washington Post for years which has resonated with the independent voter. With far fetched conspiracy theories given mainstream attention by people such as Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, the claim regarding Romney is pretty much indisputable considering the SEC documents filed and Mitt's contradicting claim.

Mitt's response to it hasn't helped matters on his behalf either, just built more doubts.
 
2012-07-15 09:48:40 AM  

hubiestubert: ...which begs the question, will he continue this "hands off" style management in the Presidency, and just let government just do what it does without any oversight?


Wouldn't that then make him a "do nothing" President, just like they claim Obama to be? I'm reminded of the running joke during Nixon's re-election campaign; "why change Dicks in the middle of a screwing?"
 
2012-07-15 09:49:04 AM  

Quince: NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: b0rg9: "President is a divider, not a uniter..."

Oh give me a break. This is coming from the same network that treats Obama like he's the enemy of the state.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy for them. They claim that Obama will devide the country and then they do everything in their power to make sure they NEVER agree with him on ANYTHING and are constantly at odds. Then they can technically admit that yes, Obama did not unite the country. What they will leave out is the fact that its their fault.

Its like saying that someone will be late for an important meeting and be unreliable, then you take out the air in their tires so and then complain that they are late.

It's not just that -- in this case, it's blatant misdirection. They dont want to address that either Mittens is lying like a rug, or he's guilty of filing fraudulent documents with the SEC. Since it would be detrimental to even try to talk to those points, they're doing the only thing they can -- trying to change the subject.


Or, like the headline, trying the whole 'Both sides are bad.' 99% when someone busts out that line, its usually as a defense for something stupid the right did.
 
2012-07-15 09:50:34 AM  

Brubold: cameroncrazy1984: The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.

Factcheck.org and other sources have shown that Romney wasn't running Bain after 1999 but keep farking that chicken.


That's what you have? Factcheck and a wapo editorial that try desperately to believe that Romney had zero control over the company as CEO, sole shareholder and managing director?
 
2012-07-15 09:51:46 AM  

hubiestubert: Which is it kids? Do you want a President who takes no responsibility for his Administration? Which is it?


You know if Romney wins the presidency, he's going to blame the slow economic recovery of Obama and he and his mouth breathing supporters won't recognize the irony in that at all.
 
2012-07-15 09:51:55 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Brubold: cameroncrazy1984: The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.

Factcheck.org and other sources have shown that Romney wasn't running Bain after 1999 but keep farking that chicken.

That's what you have? Factcheck and a wapo editorial that try desperately to believe that Romney had zero control over the company as CEO, sole shareholder and managing director?


Oh, and while he was "away from the company" he attended board meetings and signed documents. And nobody else has stepped forward claiming that they fulfilled the duties of the CEO while Romney claims to be away.
 
2012-07-15 09:52:31 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: Brubold: cameroncrazy1984: The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.

Factcheck.org and other sources have shown that Romney wasn't running Bain after 1999 but keep farking that chicken.

That's what you have? Factcheck and a wapo editorial that try desperately to believe that Romney had zero control over the company as CEO, sole shareholder and managing director?

Oh, and while he was "away from the company" he attended board meetings and signed documents. And nobody else has stepped forward claiming that they fulfilled the duties of the CEO while Romney claims to be away.


Oh and he drew a $100,000 salary during that time as well. Not stock options. Not dividends. Salary.
 
2012-07-15 09:52:40 AM  

Cubansaltyballs:

Think of this perspective... John McCain has seen the tax returns and figured Sarah Palin was less of a liability. Let that sink in for a minute.


This is the thought to repeat on the hour every day.
 
2012-07-15 09:55:30 AM  
I'm beyond caring about this Bain thing. At least Romney isn't a flaming anti-American bigot. Throw whatever you will at him, Obama, I'll be voting for anyone but you.
 
2012-07-15 09:56:03 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: But even if he didn't break any rules, he's still open to criticism, based on questions such as:

- Why DID you remain CEO and Owner even though your hands were completely off? Why not step down, even if the intent is only temporarily, and let whoever the practical CEO was be the official CEO?
- (As someone pointed out upthread), if you are officially CEO and Owner, even though you were absent, shouldn't you still implicitly bear responsibility for whatever happened that time? If not, why didn't you step down/divest?
- What planet do you come from where you can be completely gone and do nothing yet retain the title of CEO and draw a six-figure salary?


These are what really get me. The Bain Capital guy was trying to describe it, saying they couldn't simply change CEOs, but they had to have a complex 3-year negotiation about how much they were going to pay Romney when he quit. Which doesn't make any sense what so ever to me.
 
2012-07-15 09:56:26 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Genevieve Marie: Cubansaltyballs: THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.

Your whole comment was fantastic. I just reposted it on Facebook to give some context to a comment I made about private equity.

If Obama really can get that bit of truth across to people, he'll blow Mitt Romney away in the election.

---

Exactly. In terms of pure message, Romney's best-case scenario is for him to explain to the American people that being a completely absentee six-figure CEO/owner is common practice in his world, and he can prove that's what he was, so there was no inconsistency at all among his actions, statements, and SEC filings.

Obama's camp is aware of this and banking on this not sitting well at all with "Main Street" American people, even if Romney never lied or broke the law.

Whether a significant number of people actually respond by rejecting Romney is another matter.


spin spin spin. If they do it enough they hope that it will make us dizzy and want to forget about it. Won't happen. Bain will be Rmoney's bane until he does something about it. Dissembling sputtering and denial is not going to work.
 
2012-07-15 09:58:51 AM  

shotglasss: I'm beyond caring about this Bain thing. At least Romney isn't a flaming anti-American bigot. Throw whatever you will at him, Obama, I'll be voting for anyone but you.


Are you sure about that? He doesn't even keep his money here.
 
2012-07-15 09:59:11 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: "screwing companies for profit"-

You actually typed this sentence. The fact that you did clearly demonstrates that you have no idea about how finance or private equity works. You've built this false picture in your mind about an evil political opponent and his evil past and facts and logic will not dissuade you from that view.

You're alot more like a birther than you think.


So, we're denying now that Bain came in to struggling companies and saddled them with debt until they collapsed for their own profit?
 
2012-07-15 10:00:39 AM  

shotglasss: At least Romney isn't a flaming anti-American bigot.


He's not. But I don't see who is though.
 
2012-07-15 10:04:34 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: But even if he didn't break any rules, he's still open to criticism, based on questions such as:

- Why DID you remain CEO and Owner even though your hands were completely off? Why not step down, even if the intent is only temporarily, and let whoever the practical CEO was be the official CEO?
- (As someone pointed out upthread), if you are officially CEO and Owner, even though you were absent, shouldn't you still implicitly bear responsibility for whatever happened that time? If not, why didn't you step down/divest?
- What planet do you come from where you can be completely gone and do nothing yet retain the title of CEO and draw a six-figure salary?



And didn't he also cite his involvement with Bain during this same time period as qualifying residency for eligibility for Mass Governor? So as I read it, he;

1.Made millions through his exceptional management skills. Skills that will undoubtedly
lead this nation back to unparalleled prosperity.

2.Apparently has a very "hands off" style of management, where he is not in control of any
aspect of operations. But still commands a six figure salary (a mere pittance in his world, like pocket change) as well as other benefits.

3.Was not involved with Bain in any way when he wanted to go play with the Olympians.

4.Was in control of Bain when he wanted to live in the Governors mansion.

5.Ties his dog to the roof of his car.

I'm starting to like this guy.
 
2012-07-15 10:06:14 AM  
Now Romney knows how that dog felt.
 
2012-07-15 10:08:13 AM  

Mrtraveler01: He's not. But I don't see who is though.


RON PAUL.
 
2012-07-15 10:09:49 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Mrtraveler01: He's not. But I don't see who is though.

RON PAUL.


This is true. This is a man who I honestly think confuses the Articles of Confederation for the US Constitution.
 
2012-07-15 10:10:11 AM  

letthepossumlive: Now Romney knows how that dog felt.


I doubt Romney is defecating in fear just yet. That magic underwear needs to stay pristine.
 
2012-07-15 10:11:11 AM  

shotglasss: I'm beyond caring about this Bain thing. At least Romney isn't a flaming anti-American bigot. Throw whatever you will at him, Obama, I'll be voting for anyone but you.


You sound very well-infromed.
 
2012-07-15 10:11:48 AM  

hubiestubert: Their belief would make reality conform to their beliefs. Which is great if you're playing Mage: The Ascension, but not so great if you actually live in the real world and have to do more than toss dice and record Paradox points.


I already had you favorited. Now you're a lovely shade of purple thanks to this comment.

/Mitt is the Technocracy's newest project in AI.
 
2012-07-15 10:13:45 AM  

shotglasss: I'm beyond caring about this Bain thing. At least Romney isn't a flaming anti-American bigot. Throw whatever you will at him, Obama, I'll be voting for anyone but you.


Bio:
Former St. Louisan, now hangs around the Lake of the Ozarks.

Ahhh, that explains it.
 
2012-07-15 10:14:58 AM  
You know Republicans are depserate when they start accusing Democrats of being as wild-eyed crazy and stupid as they are.
 
2012-07-15 10:15:26 AM  
The corporate document filed with the state of Massachusetts in December 2002 -- a month after Romney was elected governor -- lists him as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors, LLC "authorized to execute, acknowledge, deliver and record any recordable instrument purporting to affect an interest in real property, whether to be recorded with a Registry of Deeds or with a District Office of the Land Court." Link
 
2012-07-15 10:17:07 AM  
So, I can draw a paycheck from a company three years after I quit?

Cool.
 
2012-07-15 10:17:13 AM  

spongeboob: So the author of this article comparing Bainers to birthers, implying both are conspiracy theory freaks or what ever was on May 18th claiming that Barak was a composite Kenyan and that the birthers at Brietbart were doing the job the mainstream media was refusing to do. Link

I don't understand is birtherism like Mitt Romney then, two things at once? A valuable service to America and a nutbag fringe of the American political landscape.

/What kind of douchebag parents with the last name Erickson would name their son Erick?


Shimmer. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping.
 
2012-07-15 10:17:27 AM  

Dr. Whoof: hubiestubert: Their belief would make reality conform to their beliefs. Which is great if you're playing Mage: The Ascension, but not so great if you actually live in the real world and have to do more than toss dice and record Paradox points.

I already had you favorited. Now you're a lovely shade of purple thanks to this comment.

/Mitt is the Technocracy's newest project in AI.


Yo, just affirming mah geek cred...
 
2012-07-15 10:18:13 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The corporate document filed with the state of Massachusetts in December 2002 -- a month after Romney was elected governor -- lists him as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors, LLC "authorized to execute, acknowledge, deliver and record any recordable instrument purporting to affect an interest in real property, whether to be recorded with a Registry of Deeds or with a District Office of the Land Court." Link


That was very obviously forged! It has layers!
 
2012-07-15 10:18:39 AM  
Romney's story about Bain is kind of like when your significant other says that, sure, I fooled around on you with somebody else, but since I didn't have an orgasm, technically it wasn't cheating.

I tried that in high school with an ex-girlfriend, and she still turned out to be an EX-girlfriend.
 
2012-07-15 10:21:26 AM  

Mrtraveler01: hubiestubert: Which is it kids? Do you want a President who takes no responsibility for his Administration? Which is it?

You know if Romney wins the presidency, he's going to blame the slow economic recovery of Obama and he and his mouth breathing supporters won't recognize the irony in that at all.


Kind of like now where they go:

'Stop bringing up Bush! He's out of office! Get with the times!'

and then 5 seconds later,

'Carter sucks! He's horrible! He is the reason we are in today's mess!'
 
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