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2012-07-15 01:50:31 AM  

NowhereMon: GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.

GAT, it's not like you to biatch about the system, but you know as well as anyone here that the modmins do it to troll the sane folks and drive the refreshes and click-throughs. It's not really bias.


Agreed. The mods are whores for money/clicks, not political leanings. And as a TFer who disabled adblock for Fark, that makes me a sugar daddy.
 
2012-07-15 01:51:21 AM  

Corvus: Fuzzmosis: Is it a free market American Republican thing that "Well, he's rich, insane, possibly sociopathic but since he's got money let him run?"

FTFY

Basically Republicans have this belief that capitalism works like the afterlife. If you are a good person you become rich. If you are a bad person you become poor. So they see someone like Romney and go "He is rich, has to be smart and a good worker" because that is their dogma about capitalism. (well unless they are Warren Buffet then they can just ignore that belief like they do).


It's become some of their narrative about religion too. See: Joel Osteen and various other prosperity gospel frauds.
 
2012-07-15 01:51:50 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: blah


tldr;

Summarize your sh*t or learn to tell a story better.

I suggest using a well-established plot... like The Godfather. For example:

See, the Obama admin is like the Corleone family and the Romney's are the Tataglia's. While the Corleones are trying to conduct an honest business that provides for their family, the Tataglias are out there poisoning their people so they can buy a gold-telephone and build casinos with Mo Green.

etc..
 
2012-07-15 01:53:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: bow

Or stern. Either way...


Saw you Weeners scrolled up to look, knowing the pic you were referring to and thought "I don't see a farking thing on the bow", did notice what you're thinking of though, looks like some shiat under a tarp starting to come out to me, hard to tell at that resolution
 
2012-07-15 01:53:43 AM  

MisterTweak: Wait, so the defense is that "he didn't actually *do* anything, he just got a paycheck"?

When your defense is that you did less for a company than the guy who emptied the garbage cans, but you get paid more in one month than he does in ten years, you might just wanna rethink that strategy a tiny bit.

I think Mitt confuses OJ Simpson's acquittal with actual innocence.


You mean the same way Rush Limbaugh confused making a deal to pay a fine, cut a PSA, and perform community service in exchange for dropping the charges with being found not guilty?
 
2012-07-15 01:53:55 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Corvus: Fuzzmosis: Is it a free market American Republican thing that "Well, he's rich, insane, possibly sociopathic but since he's got money let him run?"

FTFY

Basically Republicans have this belief that capitalism works like the afterlife. If you are a good person you become rich. If you are a bad person you become poor. So they see someone like Romney and go "He is rich, has to be smart and a good worker" because that is their dogma about capitalism. (well unless they are Warren Buffet then they can just ignore that belief like they do).

It's become some of their narrative about religion too. See: Joel Osteen and various other prosperity gospel frauds.


problem is, the GOP is starting to lose control over their narrative. Team Romney has been falling apart over this whole bain capital thing.
 
2012-07-15 01:54:20 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Agreed. The mods are whores for money/clicks, not political leanings. And as a TFer who disabled adblock for Fark, that makes me a sugar daddy.


Slight point here- it's ADMINS not mods who green links.

We're all whores though. We can't help it, we like beer.
 
2012-07-15 01:55:55 AM  

Genevieve Marie: We're all whores though. We can't help it, we like beer.


Carpe Cerevisi!
 
2012-07-15 01:56:33 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Agreed. The mods are whores for money/clicks, not political leanings. And as a TFer who disabled adblock for Fark, that makes me a sugar daddy.

Slight point here- it's ADMINS not mods who green links.

We're all whores though. We can't help it, we like beer.


so you're saying I've got a shot here...?
 
2012-07-15 01:57:00 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: oh I know. i'm just amazed that someone on Team Romney didn't see this issue coming a mile off. I mean - its the obvious ploy, right? Obama lobs a softball at Romney to get a sneak peak at how he's going to handle the obvious stuff and then BAM! Romney trips over the easy pitch, falls flat on his face and breaks his nose.

i'm amazed at this.


It's only the first inning. Eventually his tax returns will come out and show the real horrors of Romney's wealth, like those movies where the rich guy has the corpses of 30 children he raped under is house... or he'll keep them secret and people will imagine the worst, and they probably won't even be close.

My guess, is that Romney hid piles of money in Switzerland and was one of those "tax evaders" you read about when the IRS offers them amnesty for paying back taxes and penalties. That's my first bet. The second is that he made money from company that would look really bad, like a state-run enterprise of Moamar Qaudafi, or Al Assad, or Hugo Chavez or the Bin Laden family.

Think of this perspective... John McCain has seen the tax returns and figured Sarah Palin was less of a liability. Let that sink in for a minute.


Oh it's going to be amazing to see what Romney's really been up to. Like profiting from the disposal of aborted fetuses. The evangelicals will love that.

Though I doubt the Democrats will have the gall to push this too hard. But if the situations were reversed and Obama had profited off this Stericycle company, Fox News would be running "Fetus Profit" stories on an endless loop until November.
 
2012-07-15 01:57:34 AM  

Weaver95: problem is, the GOP is starting to lose control over their narrative. Team Romney has been falling apart over this whole bain capital thing.


Oh absolutely. I was referring to the beliefs of the base and agreeing with the other poster about people who equate wealth to morality.

However, they're totally failing with that narrative and Romney. It's too easy to see how awful these business methods are, and also... Republicans have pushed the "They're taking our jobs" point for a long time, so their base already understands that jobs ARE being shipped overseas. That makes it a lot easier to say "Yup, and that guy right there with all the money that runs the big companies, he's the one doing it."
 
2012-07-15 02:00:31 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Agreed. The mods are whores for money/clicks, not political leanings. And as a TFer who disabled adblock for Fark, that makes me a sugar daddy.

Slight point here- it's ADMINS not mods who green links.

We're all whores though. We can't help it, we like beer.


And if I didn't love whores, I wouldn't keep coming back. Circle of life, and all that.
 
2012-07-15 02:01:02 AM  

Genevieve Marie: However, they're totally failing with that narrative and Romney. It's too easy to see how awful these business methods are, and also... Republicans have pushed the "They're taking our jobs" point for a long time, so their base already understands that jobs ARE being shipped overseas. That makes it a lot easier to say "Yup, and that guy right there with all the money that runs the big companies, he's the one doing it."


Romney is to capitalism as Ted Bundy was to dating.
 
2012-07-15 02:01:12 AM  
LOL, it gets even better with regards to FactCheck. Check this out:

On July 2nd, FactCheck.org says that if the Obama Campaign was telling the truth, Mitt Romney must have committed a felony:

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On July 12th, Jennifer Epstein wrote an article from an interview with the Obama Campaign that says, (paraphrasing for effect here), "well, the SEC filings listed Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital as late as 2001, so I guess he must have committed a felony, then" (repeating FactCheck.org's own claim from ten days earlier.)

i.imgur.com

On July 12th, FactCheck.org publishes a follow-up, where they then attribute their own claim from July 2nd to the "Obama Campaign" without mentioning that the Obama Campaign was merely repeating FactCheck's claim.

i.imgur.com

farking unbelievable. When did FactCheck.org become so... retarded? No wonder the Redstate farkwit loves them, they're lying through their teeth!
 
2012-07-15 02:01:53 AM  

Shostie: violentsalvation: I'm convinced all this Bain sh*t is just closeted hype for the new Batman movie. "I'm Washington's reckoning". Yes, I know they are spelled different.

[barkersandrubes.files.wordpress.com image 400x452]

barkersandrubes.files.wordpress.com
That looks like he's wearing a Predator's diaper on his head.
 
2012-07-15 02:03:22 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: farking unbelievable. When did FactCheck.org become so... retarded? No wonder the Redstate farkwit loves them, they're lying through their teeth!


OMG! You're totally right.

Now go back to beating off to pics of George Bush in a flight suit and let the adults talk.
 
2012-07-15 02:03:58 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: the GOP is pretty upset about Bain Capital. very interesting indeed.

Because they're terrified of it. Romney represents all that is bad with America. A grifter that goes from town to town and lays waste to it.

Here's the thing... everyone has known a "Romney", and a lot of us have worked for one. A lot of people know what I'm talking about... they've worked at a company for 10 or 20 years and have been treated equitably and usually like family by the owners. Then, one day Romney comes to town and buys the company. The first thing that happens is vacation time is cut, 401k/pension is slashed, health insurance costs go up, raises are frozen, costs are cut. Then the new management comes in and starts telling you how to do your job, their way. Before you know it, you're no longer a family... you're just a piece of a equipment that exists to generate profit for them.

And one day, all the people that worked together as family get to watch the liquidation company pack up the office and equipment.

Months later you lose your life savings, then you lose your car, then your house, then your pension. Years later, you turn on the TV and see the guy that made all that happen and he wants to be president of the United States, and spends his days saying he'll run the country like he ran your company.


THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.


Jesus Christ dude, that was awesome. You sir, have been added to my favorites.
 
2012-07-15 02:04:19 AM  

Genevieve Marie:
However, they're totally failing with that narrative and Romney. It's too easy to see how awful these business methods are, and also... Republicans have pushed the "They're taking our jobs" point for a long time, so their base already understands that jobs ARE being shipped overseas. That makes it a lot easier to say "Yup, and that guy right there with all the money that runs the big companies, he's the one doing it."


it does look as if the GOP has kinda painted themselves into a corner over this issue. I expect they'll continue to fight on though. they can't admit they were wrong, and I kinda doubt Romney even understands the reasons for the backlash in the first place...but enough 'smart money' in the Republican party understand that a discussion on vulture capitalism is not what they want to see happen.
 
2012-07-15 02:05:25 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: FactCheck.org


So they became what the ostensibly set out to stop. I guess there's money in it, but being televangelists is pretty profitable too, and not every televangelist is trying to fark the nation politically (just the pocketbooks of the gullible).
 
2012-07-15 02:05:54 AM  

Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: except that i'm pretty sure the GOP voters won't care that Romney's an idiot. they'll vote for him no matter what. I guess it depends on what the independents think about these sort of stories.

Nobody is going to win any GOP voters. Romney is guaranteed 40% of the vote just by having an (R) next to his name... it's that 10.1% he needs that will be hard to get.

there's an outside chance that Romney could lose GOP votes tho. this bain capital thing is really nasty - Romney is/was a vulture capitalist, and that DID hit the middle class GOP voters pretty hard. Plus there's the whole mormon thing. evangelicals have issues voting for a mormon. got me as to what effect (if any) that all might have...but it could split off a few votes here and there.


There is also the Stericycle abortion thing.

"Romney made millions off of abortion," takes all those red meat voters who scream, "I don't see why I should vote for Romney he's just as librul as 0bammy!" and gives them one more reason to not vote.

Sure, it's not going to get a lot of play for the same reason that the NRA won't mention Obama has a better record on their line than Romney, but it's there.
 
2012-07-15 02:06:44 AM  
Mittens reminds me of "Dick The Leviatin" on Supernatural.



//we sure bib him
///to obscure?
///loves me some Supernatural
 
2012-07-15 02:06:49 AM  

Weaver95: it does look as if the GOP has kinda painted themselves into a corner over this issue. I expect they'll continue to fight on though. they can't admit they were wrong, and I kinda doubt Romney even understands the reasons for the backlash in the first place...but enough 'smart money' in the Republican party understand that a discussion on vulture capitalism is not what they want to see happen.


Inhaling deeply with every brush stroke, it seems.
 
2012-07-15 02:07:27 AM  
i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-15 02:07:32 AM  

TheBigJerk: Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: except that i'm pretty sure the GOP voters won't care that Romney's an idiot. they'll vote for him no matter what. I guess it depends on what the independents think about these sort of stories.

Nobody is going to win any GOP voters. Romney is guaranteed 40% of the vote just by having an (R) next to his name... it's that 10.1% he needs that will be hard to get.

there's an outside chance that Romney could lose GOP votes tho. this bain capital thing is really nasty - Romney is/was a vulture capitalist, and that DID hit the middle class GOP voters pretty hard. Plus there's the whole mormon thing. evangelicals have issues voting for a mormon. got me as to what effect (if any) that all might have...but it could split off a few votes here and there.

There is also the Stericycle abortion thing.

"Romney made millions off of abortion," takes all those red meat voters who scream, "I don't see why I should vote for Romney he's just as librul as 0bammy!" and gives them one more reason to not vote.

Sure, it's not going to get a lot of play for the same reason that the NRA won't mention Obama has a better record on their line than Romney, but it's there.


I guess the only thing we can say for sure is that Romney is 'damaged' going into this race. what that means for the long term game is anybody's guess though. long ways to go yet on this election.
 
2012-07-15 02:10:06 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: LOL, it gets even better with regards to FactCheck. Check this out:

On July 2nd, FactCheck.org says that if the Obama Campaign was telling the truth, Mitt Romney must have committed a felony:

[i.imgur.com image 742x738]
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On July 12th, Jennifer Epstein wrote an article from an interview with the Obama Campaign that says, (paraphrasing for effect here), "well, the SEC filings listed Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital as late as 2001, so I guess he must have committed a felony, then" (repeating FactCheck.org's own claim from ten days earlier.)

[i.imgur.com image 629x160]

On July 12th, FactCheck.org publishes a follow-up, where they then attribute their own claim from July 2nd to the "Obama Campaign" without mentioning that the Obama Campaign was merely repeating FactCheck's claim.

[i.imgur.com image 718x235]

farking unbelievable. When did FactCheck.org become so... retarded? No wonder the Redstate farkwit loves them, they're lying through their teeth!


I know I really don't get it either. Their like saying the opposite of what is actually being said.

I guess they are doing the "well if we say too many bad things about Romney we won't look fair so lets kind of ignore this".
 
2012-07-15 02:10:08 AM  

Weaver95: but enough 'smart money' in the Republican party understand that a discussion on vulture capitalism is not what they want to see happen.


Which is why if this narrative gets pushed hard enough, some of the party bigwigs will begin quietly abandoning Romney, figuring that it's less damaging to lose one election than it is to put vulture capitalism under the spotlight for too long.
 
2012-07-15 02:11:54 AM  

mat catastrophe: [i.qkme.me image 551x549]


I don't know if it's to make Paul the nominee. It is unusual to nuke the candidate before the convention though.

Maybe they just want to turn the convention into a total Derpfest.

For the Lutz.
 
2012-07-15 02:12:18 AM  
So the author admits that the birth certificate controversy was retarded? Yay for progress!
 
2012-07-15 02:12:26 AM  
You know what the best part about Romney is...

He has spent his life trying to live up to his dad's success and outshine him, and today, his dad would be ashamed. He'd look at his son as just another empty suit that has raped and pillaged his way to a mountain of wealth. A son that has no convictions, no beliefs, no moral center, nothing. Without Mitt, George Romney may have been remembered in a good way, but after his son, the name Romney will forever be associated with the rape of the middle class and going whichever way the wind blows.
 
2012-07-15 02:13:21 AM  

findthefish: Second, from this understanding, can his phone records be pulled to ensure he had no communication with Bain after his 1999 departure?


That's not even necessary. The guy was signing paperwork for Bain's acquisitions well into 2002 - hell, there are witnesses from Bain who say that this whole thing was treated as a temporary leave of absence, not a clean break.
 
2012-07-15 02:13:59 AM  

Sandelaphon: Dr. Mojo PhD: FactCheck.org

So they became what the ostensibly set out to stop. I guess there's money in it, but being televangelists is pretty profitable too, and not every televangelist is trying to fark the nation politically (just the pocketbooks of the gullible).


Basically, yeah. Sort of surprising. PolitiFact is kind of derpy at times, and not just OMG bashing liberals derpy, just weirdly quasi-autistic. This was sort of shocking in just how nakedly stupid it was for them to even attempt, and I don't know why they'd do it, but they did it. Spinsanity was pretty openly run by liberals (which they readily disclosed) but they were, far and away, the best farking none-bizarre, non-nitpicky, if-we-fark-up-we'll-tell-you fact checking site out there, and they were damn fair (hell, the guy that started it was fired from American Prospect for not concentrating on conservative targets).
 
2012-07-15 02:14:04 AM  

WizardofToast: So the author admits that the birth certificate controversy was retarded? Yay for progress!


Only when used to attack Obama.

Come one they hate Romneycare only to attack Obama too.
 
2012-07-15 02:19:42 AM  

Corvus: I know I really don't get it either. Their like saying the opposite of what is actually being said.


It's not so much that they're saying the opposite of what is being said, it's that it looks like they're outright lying. What's bizarre is that it undermines their credibility, not just in the sense of them just outright lying like that, but in the sense that basically what they're saying with their July 12th article is that, when you look at what actually happened, they're saying their own claims are inaccurate, and FactCheck.org should not be cited, since they can't be trusted.

Which raises the question, if I can't trust you to make accurate claims on July 2nd, why should I trust you to make accurate claims on July 12th? Or any other day, for that matter.
 
2012-07-15 02:21:18 AM  

Corvus: Bontesla: The numbers aren't a committed vote. The numbers also may vary. I would be interested in looking into it on Monday to see their MOE.

I've seen other polls that support my suspicion. This isn't me insisting reality is wrong.

Undecided voters will not be voting for Obama. They're just undecided against Romney. Nearly every recent poll regarding their indecision supports this. The most that the Bain scandal should do is decrease voter participation. It shouldn't technically convert votes in any statistical manner.

So, as much as you'd like to pretend that I'm afraid of my shadow, you're simply an idiot for assuming you know anything about how my conclusions are formed.

They aren't a committed vote? Really?

So then your beliefs ARE based on committed votes instead? Please tell us how you opinion is based on these "Committed votes". My numbers may vary?

Please tell us all how what you opinion is based on is based on committed votes and won't vary like mine will.

Link us to these polls of "commited votes" that don't vary. I would love to see them!


Like I said, I won't be able to do some digging until Monday. Did you skim? I certainly didn't st-st-stutter. Now, setting my snark aside so that maybe we can converse like rational beings...

You're talking about motivating a statistically significant group of disenfranchised voters so significantly that they're inspired to vote for someone they feel hasn't been doing a good job. Disenfranchised voters, technically speaking, are less likely to vote in the midst of a political scandal. Some studies attribute this as the scandal confirming their belief in rampant corruption.

Further, we're talking about Romney as a candidate. If you're still on the fence, then you're never going to vote Obama. You're simply regretting that you're left with Romney.

You linked to HuffPo which linked to two polls. The excerpt you quoted was about favorability although the poll obtained information about both favorability and intended votes. So, technically, all your excerpt does is illustrate that Romney's business record decreases his favorables while President Obama is gaining favorables.

Feeling less favorable toward a candidate doesn't mean you're changing your vote. It's a different measurement. Instead, the article says that the estimated votes are between a statitical tie and Obama winning the poll election. The MOE accounts for most of the variety. If anything, the article supports my assertion that the votes have already been decided.
 
2012-07-15 02:24:56 AM  

GAT_00: Bontesla: The author is an idiot.

The author is Erick Erickson. I didn't realize it needed to be actually said he was an idiot. I thought this was one of those universally known things by now.


Unlike you, some people don't click on RedState links.
 
2012-07-15 02:25:14 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: but enough 'smart money' in the Republican party understand that a discussion on vulture capitalism is not what they want to see happen.

Which is why if this narrative gets pushed hard enough, some of the party bigwigs will begin quietly abandoning Romney, figuring that it's less damaging to lose one election than it is to put vulture capitalism under the spotlight for too long.


I dunno...the GOP can't afford to lose to Obama. Limbaugh has been hammering home the point that Obama *has* to be a one term president. if the GOP insiders decide that another Obama term is preferable to making vulture capitalism a major talking point, then they risk a LOT of anger from the rank and file Republicans.

again - none of this looks good for the Republican leadership OR their corporate backers. they have to keep a lot of things quiet...so much so that it's actually starting to impact their ability to win elections. past a certain point, they're going to decide to just stop having elections and that a coup is just easier and more cost effective than mucking about with maintaining the illusion that we're a democracy.
 
2012-07-15 02:25:22 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Corvus: I know I really don't get it either. Their like saying the opposite of what is actually being said.

It's not so much that they're saying the opposite of what is being said, it's that it looks like they're outright lying. What's bizarre is that it undermines their credibility, not just in the sense of them just outright lying like that, but in the sense that basically what they're saying with their July 12th article is that, when you look at what actually happened, they're saying their own claims are inaccurate, and FactCheck.org should not be cited, since they can't be trusted.

Which raises the question, if I can't trust you to make accurate claims on July 2nd, why should I trust you to make accurate claims on July 12th? Or any other day, for that matter.


If more and more of these documents come out, which I think they will, it's going to be harder and harder for them to have their convoluted position.

But I still can't wrap my head around the "Obama said that Romney was working for Bain, the documents say Romney WAS working for Bain, therefor Obama is wrong when he says he left the company!" Huh?!?!
 
2012-07-15 02:25:46 AM  

WizardofToast: So the author admits that the birth certificate controversy was retarded? Yay for progress!


Not the same author, but the same site, so pretty funny nonetheless:

We knew the day Barack Obama announced the release of his Birth Certificate that the document would be checked nine ways to Sunday for authenticity. Well, the Internet sleuths have done their work and preliminary indications are that it is not only fake, it is not even a good fake. I am about Obama's age and my Birth Certificate is yellowed, creased and wrinkled. I wonder why Obama's looks brand new? Maybe that is because it is brand new. Perhaps this is why he spent millions of dollars over three years to prevent its release only to hastily let it out when he started to lose the PR battle over the issue.

Apparently they're a house divided.
 
2012-07-15 02:26:31 AM  

acefox1: NewportBarGuy: acefox1: farm9.staticflickr.com

I've seen that image dozens of times... That's the first time I noticed there's a guy stuck on the bow. Wow, that had to suck.

Yeah each time I see that guy holding on for dear life I imagine that this boat-drop must have been the slowest and scariest 3 seconds in his life.


img171.imageshack.us

There, that's better. ;)
 
2012-07-15 02:28:41 AM  
The ridiculous part about all of this? The GOP could not have possibly picked a more extreme example of everything wrong with our current financial predicament.

It's not enough that the economy was brought to the brink of outright collapse in 08 due to the 30+ year effort by Republicans to deregulate everything right down to the local dog-catchers. It's not enough that our manufacturing sector has been decimated by offshoring in the pursuit of short term quarterly profit gains. It's not enough that middle class wages have remained stagnant while CEO and executive pay have achieved exit velocity.

No. The GOP, with a straight face, just had to suggest to the American public: "Hey, why don't we have one of the architects of this grand pooch screw just run the whole show?"

If I had faith in the intelligence of the average Republican, I'd be inclined to view it as some kind of Kaufmanesque joke. As it stands, I'll just perceive it as outright contempt for voters.
 
2012-07-15 02:29:49 AM  

Bontesla: Corvus: Bontesla: The numbers aren't a committed vote. The numbers also may vary. I would be interested in looking into it on Monday to see their MOE.

I've seen other polls that support my suspicion. This isn't me insisting reality is wrong.

Undecided voters will not be voting for Obama. They're just undecided against Romney. Nearly every recent poll regarding their indecision supports this. The most that the Bain scandal should do is decrease voter participation. It shouldn't technically convert votes in any statistical manner.

So, as much as you'd like to pretend that I'm afraid of my shadow, you're simply an idiot for assuming you know anything about how my conclusions are formed.

They aren't a committed vote? Really?

So then your beliefs ARE based on committed votes instead? Please tell us how you opinion is based on these "Committed votes". My numbers may vary?

Please tell us all how what you opinion is based on is based on committed votes and won't vary like mine will.

Link us to these polls of "commited votes" that don't vary. I would love to see them!

Like I said, I won't be able to do some digging until Monday. Did you skim? I certainly didn't st-st-stutter. Now, setting my snark aside so that maybe we can converse like rational beings...

You're talking about motivating a statistically significant group of disenfranchised voters so significantly that they're inspired to vote for someone they feel hasn't been doing a good job. Disenfranchised voters, technically speaking, are less likely to vote in the midst of a political scandal. Some studies attribute this as the scandal confirming their belief in rampant corruption.

Further, we're talking about Romney as a candidate. If you're still on the fence, then you're never going to vote Obama. You're simply regretting that you're left with Romney.

You linked to HuffPo which linked to two polls. The excerpt you quoted was about favorability although the poll obtained information about both favorability ...


So tell us about these polls of "COMMITTED VOTES" that wont vary during the election that you use. I have never heard of polls. like that.

You are bring up subjects that have nothing to do with my original point. But lets go. Tell me about these "COMMITTED VOTES" polls you look at.

How does one "COMMIT VOTES" before the election? I am unfamiliar with this process?

Did I stutter?
 
2012-07-15 02:31:12 AM  
I love this. RW pieces everywhere are jumping over themselves to claim that Romney didn't enact a felony. They completely ignore that it's a binary proposal and focus on the criminal aspect.

Soo.... I guess he's a liar, then? I thought Forbes laid it out really nicely, myself, right at the end of their 35 questions. Yeah, I can believe Romney was largely hands off, but I can't believe that Bain would make some big moves without even giving Romney a phone call for a go-ahead or to ask his opinion.
 
2012-07-15 02:31:13 AM  

dookdookdook: I'm receptive to a "that's just how things are done" argument,


...and that is why we're going to hell in a handbasket. We swallow lame justifications way too easily.

"That's just how things are done."
"We were just following orders."
"They knew what they were doing when they signed away their life."

These do not absolve responsibility, and acting like they do is anathema to a free and civil society.
 
2012-07-15 02:31:17 AM  

Weaver95: I dunno...the GOP can't afford to lose to Obama. Limbaugh has been hammering home the point that Obama *has* to be a one term president. if the GOP insiders decide that another Obama term is preferable to making vulture capitalism a major talking point, then they risk a LOT of anger from the rank and file Republicans.


That's why I said they'd do it quietly. Backing off the money, and adding measured criticism and trying to get senators and representatives elected instead, and focusing their efforts there instead of on Romney.

Most of the base won't even notice. They'll transfer their anger right back onto Obama.

That's just how I think it could go down, I could be completely and totally wrong.
 
2012-07-15 02:32:08 AM  

Bontesla: Like I said, I won't be able to do some digging until Monday.


So then according to you votes become committed on Monday and can no longer vary? Since you told me you don't trust polls that count uncommitted votes and that can vary.
 
2012-07-15 02:34:09 AM  

Weaver95: honestly, they should just man up, say 'yeah, Romney was running bain capital' and move on with life.


And then the Obama campaign attacks him for destroying KBToys, among others.

Of course, the opposite means that Romney is guilty of at least 3 counts of fraud.

That's why it's a Catch-22 situation.
 
2012-07-15 02:35:50 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Because they're terrified of it. Romney represents all that is bad with America. A grifter that goes from town to town and lays waste to it.

Here's the thing... everyone has known a "Romney", and a lot of us have worked for one. A lot of people know what I'm talking about... they've worked at a company for 10 or 20 years and have been treated equitably and usually like family by the owners. Then, one day Romney comes to town and buys the company. The first thing that happens is vacation time is cut, 401k/pension is slashed, health insurance costs go up, raises are frozen, costs are cut. Then the new management comes in and starts telling you how to do your job, their way. Before you know it, you're no longer a family... you're just a piece of a equipment that exists to generate profit for them.

And one day, all the people that worked together as family get to watch the liquidation company pack up the office and equipment.

Months later you lose your life savings, then you lose your car, then your house, then your pension. Years later, you turn on the TV and see the guy that made all that happen and he wants to be president of the United States, and spends his days saying he'll run the country like he ran your company.


THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.


This is utter brilliance. Shared on Facebook.
 
2012-07-15 02:37:57 AM  
The only thing that can save Romney now is an inspired roll of the dice choice for VP, someone who will motivate the base.

media.salon.com
 
2012-07-15 02:38:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's the first time I noticed there's a guy stuck on the bow.


hat's the stern. The bow is the pointy bit.
You must be poor.
 
2012-07-15 02:40:24 AM  
Except where the birfers don't believe the provided documentation, the Bainers do.

So, uh, the opposite.

I just want to hear Mittens whining, "I was only president on paper!" all summer.
 
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