Whatever your say Sirhan Sirhanson.

the humor value of noted libby liberal matt drudge pushing a liberal libby agenda by floating condi's name is worth the price of admission alone.

it takes a mighty deep rabbit hole to get that crazy.

Let me get this straight question whether or not Romney was involved in company in a time when they did several unAmerican things at a time when he was listed as the CEO is the same as questing Obama's birth location or questioning his religion?

MisterTweak: Wait, so the defense is that "he didn't actually *do* anything, he just got a paycheck"?

When your defense is that you did less for a company than the guy who emptied the garbage cans, but you get paid more in one month than he does in ten years, you might just wanna rethink that strategy a tiny bit.

I think Mitt confuses OJ Simpson's acquittal with actual innocence.

Which still makes Romney a liar because he has been saying he "left the company".

wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.

Corvus:
No, polls are showing independents do care about this.

That surprises me. Then again, I'm not understanding undecided independents right now.

Ever notice how when rightists want to accuse everyone else of the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING. they always have to compare it to something they did?

Bontesla: The author is an idiot.

No, he's just arguing against a straw man. The people that think Romney did something illegal at Bain are so few as to be essentially nonexistent, but as the author argues, all three of those imaginary people are wrong.

The bulk of people who bring up Bain, however, aren't asserting that anything illegal went on, they're saying it was blatantly unethical and also immoral, both of which are pretty much 100% correct in the vast majority of philosophical and religious systems.

Anenu: Let me get this straight question whether or not Romney was involved in company in a time when they did several unAmerican things at a time when he was listed as the CEO is the same as questing Obama's birth location or questioning his religion?

If you are a retard, yes.

1) The author comes across as mentally disabled.
2) If anyone wants to play a game called "count the defense mechanisms," that article is a good beginner level read.

Weaver95: Bontesla: Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.

What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.

honestly, they should just man up, say 'yeah, Romney was running bain capital' and move on with life. acting this way just makes it look like Romney has something to hide.

I expect a carefully worded statement to explain that Romney was "active" until 2002 but that he never contradicted himself. People simply misunderstood his level of activity.

sure, Romney will take a hit...but its WAY early in the game. plenty of time to recover. letting this issue build up a momentum of its own is stupid.

But Romney has always had poor campaign strategy.

There have been a few Romney stories leaked (I think ) in an effort to steal the thunder from the Bain story. However, then Romney issues a statement demanding apologies and it reintroduces the story.

That's why I suspect they'll leak something huge this coming week.

wademh: It's sort of true.

Except one is real and the other is a figment of the GOP's insanity.
Remember, all elections are a race for the undecided voters. If you were undecided would you vote for the guy who has a pending indictment hanging over his head or the other guy?
I do suspect some derp even stronger than the birther crap is going to show up soon.

wademh: wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.

Corvus:
No, polls are showing independents do care about this.

That surprises me. Then again, I'm not understanding undecided independents right now.

I really doubt there are any actual undecided independents and I also doubt this will actually change votes.

wademh: wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.

Corvus:
No, polls are showing independents do care about this.

That surprises me. Then again, I'm not understanding undecided independents right now.

Obama Battleground States Lead Expands Over Romney, Poll Shows
Among swing-state respondents, 18 percent say what they've seen and heard about Romney's business record gives them a more positive opinion about the Republican candidate, versus 33 percent who say it's more negative. That's compared to the national 23-to-28 percent margin on this question.

The numbers in the swing states are increasing for Obama.

quizzical: I don't think Romney did anything illegal. I do think he has been misrepresenting the degree to which he was in charge of Bain's actions.

Which, considering on his SEC forms, is the text "Mr. Romney was not involved in any way with the operations of Bain Capital", is very, very illegal.

It's a crime to lie on federal forms.

Jim_Callahan: Bontesla: The author is an idiot.

No, he's just arguing against a straw man. The people that think Romney did something illegal at Bain are so few as to be essentially nonexistent, but as the author argues, all three of those imaginary people are wrong.

The bulk of people who bring up Bain, however, aren't asserting that anything illegal went on, they're saying it was blatantly unethical and also immoral, both of which are pretty much 100% correct in the vast majority of philosophical and religious systems.

No, the author is an idiot for comparing the Bain scandal to the Birther absurdity.

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: sure, Romney will take a hit...but its WAY early in the game. plenty of time to recover. letting this issue build up a momentum of its own is stupid.

Kerry never shook the flip-flop moniker, and Romney won't lose his smarmy salesman moniker, either.

I don't understand why Romney hasn't been plastered with the flip-flopper moniker to the degree Kerry was yet.

Rinse, repeat (from the wikis):

"Romney campaigned as a pro-choice candidate who would protect a woman's right to an abortion, and he rejected the endorsement of Massachusetts Citizens for Life, a pro-life organization.

Weaver95: except that i'm pretty sure the GOP voters won't care that Romney's an idiot.

just going by the comments in this article, they would be offended if he wasn't an idiot.

gooble gobble gooble gobble one of us one of us, and all that good stuff.

I saw a good 10 minutes of Fox News today, waiting for a takeaway.

Their line is "Idiots who dislike Romney are jealous of personal financial success".

That's their entire line.

Bontesla: wademh: wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.

Corvus:
No, polls are showing independents do care about this.

That surprises me. Then again, I'm not understanding undecided independents right now.

I really doubt there are any actual undecided independents and I also doubt this will actually change votes.

Well the polling say it has. So if you want to believe your hunch over numbers no one can stop you. I think it is ignoring reality but if you want to ignore reality I can't stop you.

Obama's numbers have got better in swing states where he is hitting this hard.
More people are now saying Romney's business experience is a BAD thing.
The Republican's are in complete fear about this.

To me that seems like this is making a difference.

I have to admit that I am loving every second of watching the Romney campaign and GOP surrogates utterly fail to handle this Bain crisis.



And while they try to deal with this the Obama campaign still has the tax return issue and the off-shore accounts to smack him around with endlessly until November.

It's all down-hill for Romney and the GOP in 2012. Every awkward syllable out of Romney's mouth reinforces the image that he is everything that is wrong with America. Watch as with each passing week the swing-states of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado and Iowa turn solidly blue on http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

Even if Romeny can stop the bleeding tomorrow, and he won't, come election day he'll have to win Forida, Virginia, Ohio and either Iowa or Colorado to eek out win with 270+ electoral votes.

Unless Obama goes into a Mosque and gives a reading from the Koran between now and November, no way does Romney mge to pull all that off.

If Bainers are the new Birthers, Sarah Palin is automatically president and Obama is the new manager of the Georgetown Taco Bell.

//organize the community prep line, Fartbongo!

I always get the feeling that if Romney hadn't been born rich he would have become a used car salesmen. (No offense to any actual used car salesmen reading this intended.)

Bungles: I saw a good 10 minutes of Fox News today, waiting for a takeaway.

Their line is "Idiots who dislike Romney are jealous of personal financial success".

That's their entire line.

I'd personally like to apologize for playing the devils advocate in yesterday's Romney thread. I didn't at all know that was the official party line ._.

YouWinAgainGravity: Get back to me when the Bainers are arguing about a conspiracy that can only be explained by time-travel.

OK, OK. I think I got this one. Right uh.. The whole issue surrounds SEC documents that say that he was in charge of Bain during some period of time in the early 2000s, right? But at the same time, Romney is saying that he had left the company by then. So let's say that BOTH are true. How does that work? Temporal superposition. At some point in the future, Romney gets his hands on a time machine - possibly Obama's - and for whatever reason, he goes back in time to the year 1999 and takes over Bain from his past self. So at that point, 1999 Romney is no longer part of the company, and what 2012 Romney is saying is true. He DID leave Bain at that point. HOWEVER - future Romney was at the helm at that point, which is why his name shows up on the SEC documents. As to why nobody questioned why he looked different when he showed up to work after quitting? He's a Robot, remember? HE DIDN'T LOOK DIFFERENT.

/Unless... They built another Romneybot to control Bain while this one did the Governor thing!

I'd like to point out how this whole issue separates Left and Right thinkers:

Left: This factual evidence suggests that Romney was involved with Bain while some vulture capital stuff went on. This supports my belief that he's a big business, tax-dodging, outsourcing jerk.

Right: I think Barack Hussein Obama is a kenyan muslim terrorist. I don't need evidence to support this claim and will actively ignore evidence suggesting otherwise.

heap: Weaver95: except that i'm pretty sure the GOP voters won't care that Romney's an idiot.

just going by the comments in this article, they would be offended if he wasn't an idiot.

gooble gobble gooble gobble one of us one of us, and all that good stuff.

That's absurd beyond belief. He was born filthy rich, he's a Mormon, and he can't describe a simple lemonade without coming off like some kind of machine. He's 10x further removed from the average American experience than Obama ever was.

When the power of your positions are reduced to being philisophically, ideologically and rhetorically ambivalent, it's time to smear feces on the other guy's face!

Isn't that right, Mr. Poopy Pants!

ApatheticMonkey: /Unless... They built another Romneybot to control Bain while this one did the Governor thing!

It wouldn't be the first time a cyborg was sent back in time to become governor.

dookdookdook: AFAIK the birthers never had a shred of actual evidence beyond a crapload of photoshopped Kenyan birth certificates and a publicist-written author's bio on the jacket of a 20 year old book.

The "Bainers" have piles of genuine financial documents.

I'm receptive to a "that's just how things are done" argument, but it looks fairly bad for Mittens so far.

More people should use his full first name.