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2012-07-15 12:34:08 AM
the GOP is pretty upset about Bain Capital. very interesting indeed.
 
2012-07-15 12:34:10 AM
Yeah... except the Bain theory isn't based on a racist idea that if he's black, he cannot be an American Citizen and he must be from Africa. The only people that think Obama is not from here are bigots, while the Bain theory is based on a simple fact: Romney provided fraudulent information to the SEC, and he's admitted as much.
 
2012-07-15 12:36:05 AM
The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.
 
2012-07-15 12:37:14 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-15 12:37:53 AM
The author is an idiot.
 
2012-07-15 12:40:56 AM
Looks like Obama is barking up the right tree...
 
2012-07-15 12:40:59 AM

Bontesla: The author is an idiot.


The author is Erick Erickson. I didn't realize it needed to be actually said he was an idiot. I thought this was one of those universally known things by now.

Also, if this is the best they have as a defense against Romney definitively lying about Bain, then I'm shocked. The RNC usually manages something better than this.
 
2012-07-15 12:43:15 AM
Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.
 
2012-07-15 12:44:32 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The fact that they're trying to paint SEC documents as some sort of crazy conspiracy is hilarious.


All I know is that Limbaugh hits the roof over the subject of Bain Capital.
 
2012-07-15 12:45:44 AM

GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.


look at it this way, it's another chance to watch our local GOP shills go absolutely bonkers over bain capital.
 
2012-07-15 12:48:23 AM
I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.
 
2012-07-15 12:49:07 AM

GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.


But see, you have to link to GOP shills because otherwise you'll be accused of bias!
 
2012-07-15 12:49:25 AM

Weaver95: the GOP is pretty upset about Bain Capital. very interesting indeed.


Because they're terrified of it. Romney represents all that is bad with America. A grifter that goes from town to town and lays waste to it.

Here's the thing... everyone has known a "Romney", and a lot of us have worked for one. A lot of people know what I'm talking about... they've worked at a company for 10 or 20 years and have been treated equitably and usually like family by the owners. Then, one day Romney comes to town and buys the company. The first thing that happens is vacation time is cut, 401k/pension is slashed, health insurance costs go up, raises are frozen, costs are cut. Then the new management comes in and starts telling you how to do your job, their way. Before you know it, you're no longer a family... you're just a piece of a equipment that exists to generate profit for them.

And one day, all the people that worked together as family get to watch the liquidation company pack up the office and equipment.

Months later you lose your life savings, then you lose your car, then your house, then your pension. Years later, you turn on the TV and see the guy that made all that happen and he wants to be president of the United States, and spends his days saying he'll run the country like he ran your company.


THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.
 
2012-07-15 12:49:40 AM

GAT_00: Bontesla: The author is an idiot.

The author is Erick Erickson. I didn't realize it needed to be actually said he was an idiot. I thought this was one of those universally known things by now.

Also, if this is the best they have as a defense against Romney definitively lying about Bain, then I'm shocked. The RNC usually manages something better than this.


I no longer take obvious facts for granted.
 
2012-07-15 12:49:55 AM

Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.


i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.
 
2012-07-15 12:50:12 AM
Get back to me when the Bainers are arguing about a conspiracy that can only be explained by time-travel.
 
2012-07-15 12:52:04 AM
No.
 
2012-07-15 12:52:34 AM

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: the GOP is pretty upset about Bain Capital. very interesting indeed.

Because they're terrified of it. Romney represents all that is bad with America. A grifter that goes from town to town and lays waste to it.

Here's the thing... everyone has known a "Romney", and a lot of us have worked for one. A lot of people know what I'm talking about... they've worked at a company for 10 or 20 years and have been treated equitably and usually like family by the owners. Then, one day Romney comes to town and buys the company. The first thing that happens is vacation time is cut, 401k/pension is slashed, health insurance costs go up, raises are frozen, costs are cut. Then the new management comes in and starts telling you how to do your job, their way. Before you know it, you're no longer a family... you're just a piece of a equipment that exists to generate profit for them.

And one day, all the people that worked together as family get to watch the liquidation company pack up the office and equipment.

Months later you lose your life savings, then you lose your car, then your house, then your pension. Years later, you turn on the TV and see the guy that made all that happen and he wants to be president of the United States, and spends his days saying he'll run the country like he ran your company.


THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.


oh I know. i'm just amazed that someone on Team Romney didn't see this issue coming a mile off. I mean - its the obvious ploy, right? Obama lobs a softball at Romney to get a sneak peak at how he's going to handle the obvious stuff and then BAM! Romney trips over the easy pitch, falls flat on his face and breaks his nose.

i'm amazed at this.
 
2012-07-15 12:52:40 AM

GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.


This wasn't auto-greened to try to spread what's in the article. It was auto-greened to get you frothing about what's in the article and to keep you posting and increasing page-views and clickthroughs.

It's not about Left or Right. It's about money.
 
2012-07-15 12:53:20 AM
Lets look at this:

Bain:
People say Romney was still working for Bain Capital when Romney says he was not.

Evidence: OFFICIAL SEC records STATE he was working for Bain those years

Birthers: Say Obama was not born in the US.

Evidence: OFFICIAL STATE RECORDS say Obama WAS Born in the US.

Yeah, one has official evidence supporting it the other has official evidence that says the opposite.

How is that the same again?
 
2012-07-15 12:53:21 AM

Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.


I'm continually impressed by their commitment. But when I listen to one for more than 30 seconds, I begin to understand Lewis Black.
 
2012-07-15 12:53:58 AM
I'm Mitt Romney and I want to be President. I want to be President because I know how economies work. I started a company, Bain Capital. I was successful and I helped others be successful. You know that store Staples? We started that store.

But, beyond that, I don't want you to know a goddamn thing about my time at Bain Capital.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:15 AM
False equivalency is false. But it's easy to pull the wool over some people's eyes.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:30 AM
So Obama is lying... So then the GOP is now saying that the official SEC documents were lies and Romney might of committed a felony?
 
2012-07-15 12:54:31 AM

GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.


GAT, it's not like you to biatch about the system, but you know as well as anyone here that the modmins do it to troll the sane folks and drive the refreshes and click-throughs. It's not really bias.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:36 AM
AFAIK the birthers never had a shred of actual evidence beyond a crapload of photoshopped Kenyan birth certificates and a publicist-written author's bio on the jacket of a 20 year old book.

The "Bainers" have piles of genuine financial documents.

I'm receptive to a "that's just how things are done" argument, but it looks fairly bad for Mittens so far.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:44 AM

Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.


What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:59 AM
fta It has been well vetted.

Disagrees

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2012-07-15 12:55:14 AM

GhostFish: GAT_00: Also, auto-green when the queue is empty? I wasn't aware the Admins had just given up hiding that they'll green almost anything that gets posted to a GOP blog.

This wasn't auto-greened to try to spread what's in the article. It was auto-greened to get you frothing about what's in the article and to keep you posting and increasing page-views and clickthroughs.

It's not about Left or Right. It's about money.


(it's why I don't even click the links)
 
2012-07-15 12:55:51 AM
It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.
 
2012-07-15 12:56:13 AM
So Bain Capital is the new Haliburton.

Hehe....
 
2012-07-15 12:56:38 AM
The difference being that Bain'ers have a point.
 
2012-07-15 12:58:12 AM
What I love is how Romney's business experience was supposed to be the big thing he could bring to the Oval Office, and now he and his supporters are running away from it as if it were on fire.

It really is just like the Swift Boat thing, except (to paraphrase the Bizarro Breitbart Zombie Universe headline a while back) the Bain allegations are based on reality and the Swift Boat attacks were lies from start to finish.

Once all this settles down, the next step is to demand Romney explain what he did do at Bain that was so worthwhile, and watch him spin so hard the IAEA has him confiscated as a nuclear materials centrifuge.
 
2012-07-15 12:59:33 AM

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.

What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.


honestly, they should just man up, say 'yeah, Romney was running bain capital' and move on with life. acting this way just makes it look like Romney has something to hide.
 
2012-07-15 01:00:23 AM
So, I expect they'll be announcing a VP this week (or some other large scale story )in an attempt to change the story.
 
2012-07-15 01:00:35 AM

NowhereMon: it's not like you to biatch about the system


I really hope that was sarcasm.
 
2012-07-15 01:00:53 AM

YouWinAgainGravity: Get back to me when the Bainers are arguing about a conspiracy that can only be explained by time-travel.


Or in the early 60's a liberal conspiracy went "You know the best chance we have of taking over the world? Let's start this complex conspiracy in motion to get this Kenyan baby to become president because we think in 50 years we will be able to get a half-black guy named Barak Hussein Obama to be president of the United States is our best shot."
 
2012-07-15 01:01:33 AM
I'm convinced all this Bain sh*t is just closeted hype for the new Batman movie. "I'm Washington's reckoning". Yes, I know they are spelled different.
 
2012-07-15 01:02:06 AM

wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.


No, polls are showing independents do care about this.
 
2012-07-15 01:02:10 AM

Weaver95: oh I know. i'm just amazed that someone on Team Romney didn't see this issue coming a mile off. I mean - its the obvious ploy, right? Obama lobs a softball at Romney to get a sneak peak at how he's going to handle the obvious stuff and then BAM! Romney trips over the easy pitch, falls flat on his face and breaks his nose.

i'm amazed at this.



It's only the first inning. Eventually his tax returns will come out and show the real horrors of Romney's wealth, like those movies where the rich guy has the corpses of 30 children he raped under is house... or he'll keep them secret and people will imagine the worst, and they probably won't even be close.

My guess, is that Romney hid piles of money in Switzerland and was one of those "tax evaders" you read about when the IRS offers them amnesty for paying back taxes and penalties. That's my first bet. The second is that he made money from company that would look really bad, like a state-run enterprise of Moamar Qaudafi, or Al Assad, or Hugo Chavez or the Bin Laden family.

Think of this perspective... John McCain has seen the tax returns and figured Sarah Palin was less of a liability. Let that sink in for a minute.
 
2012-07-15 01:02:17 AM

Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.

What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.


There is a third option:

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-15 01:03:32 AM

YouWinAgainGravity: a conspiracy that can only be explained by time-travel.


No, don't you see?? From the very start in ~1960 when Obama's mother was pregnant there was a truly MASSIVE conspiracy involving the national government of Kenya, the state government of Hawaii, a Hawaiian hospital, a local Hawaiian newspaper, and the New World Order elites who secretly choose our leaders behind the scenes to elect one specific black baby president, where he could implement the NWO's secret Muslim-inspired plans to destroy Democracy, America, and Christianity through dictatorial attempts to regulate the health insurance industry.

If only there had been a plane leaving Kenya for the US that week, Mrs. Obama could've given birth on US soil and none of the decades of lying and deception and forgery would have been necessary.
 
2012-07-15 01:03:36 AM

Corvus: wademh: It's sort of true.
In reality, the people who are making the biggest deal out of Bain are those that would never have voted for RMoney regardless. And likewise, birthers don't really care about Obama's birthplace, they just think they have a gotcha issue.

No, polls are showing independents do care about this.


and it's not looking good for Romney.
 
2012-07-15 01:03:47 AM

Notabunny: fta It has been well vetted.

Disagrees

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Awesome picture. Is that really Shatner's car?
 
2012-07-15 01:04:11 AM

Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.

What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.

honestly, they should just man up, say 'yeah, Romney was running bain capital' and move on with life. acting this way just makes it look like Romney has something to hide.


I expect a carefully worded statement to explain that Romney was "active" until 2002 but that he never contradicted himself. People simply misunderstood his level of activity.
 
2012-07-15 01:04:27 AM
Wait, so the defense is that "he didn't actually *do* anything, he just got a paycheck"?

When your defense is that you did less for a company than the guy who emptied the garbage cans, but you get paid more in one month than he does in ten years, you might just wanna rethink that strategy a tiny bit.

I think Mitt confuses OJ Simpson's acquittal with actual innocence.
 
2012-07-15 01:05:05 AM

Cubansaltyballs: THAT is why the Republicans are scared. They can't escape it. Hell, with McCain, his money came from beer and Kerry's came from Ketchup, and Romney's comes from harvesting the nest-eggs and blood of the middle class to he can sell it to China and fatten his bank account in the Caymans.


Your whole comment was fantastic. I just reposted it on Facebook to give some context to a comment I made about private equity.

If Obama really can get that bit of truth across to people, he'll blow Mitt Romney away in the election.
 
2012-07-15 01:05:25 AM
I don't think Romney did anything illegal. I do think he has been misrepresenting the degree to which he was in charge of Bain's actions.
 
2012-07-15 01:05:28 AM

violentsalvation: I'm convinced all this Bain sh*t is just closeted hype for the new Batman movie. "I'm Washington's reckoning". Yes, I know they are spelled different.


Doesn't really fit. Romney's more like Two-Face.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-15 01:05:49 AM

Bontesla: Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs: Weaver95: Bontesla: I really thought I'd enjoy this scandal more but talking with Republicans brings out the violence within me.

i'm absolutely fascinated watching the GOP flub this whole debate over bain capital.

What's to flub? They have a clear choice... admit their "Job Creator" (blessings and peace be upon him) sent jobs overseas, destroyed companies for a profit and practiced what most people would call an abhorrent mutation of "capitalism"... or they can admit he lied to the SEC.

honestly, they should just man up, say 'yeah, Romney was running bain capital' and move on with life. acting this way just makes it look like Romney has something to hide.

I expect a carefully worded statement to explain that Romney was "active" until 2002 but that he never contradicted himself. People simply misunderstood his level of activity.


sure, Romney will take a hit...but its WAY early in the game. plenty of time to recover. letting this issue build up a momentum of its own is stupid.
 
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