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2012-07-15 12:48:10 AM
but don't knock down the paterno statue because THAT would be wrong....
 
2012-07-15 01:05:28 AM
Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.
 
2012-07-15 02:03:11 AM
Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
blogs.thetimes-tribune.com
 
2012-07-15 02:09:01 AM

Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]


there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.
 
2012-07-15 02:18:53 AM

Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.


I know. I read the comments beneath it.
 
2012-07-15 02:21:37 AM

Paris1127: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I know. I read the comments beneath it.


I still think it's hilarious as hell when the prisoners serenaded him with Pink Floyd's The Wall
 
2012-07-15 02:26:41 AM

RedPhoenix122: Paris1127: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I know. I read the comments beneath it.

I still think it's hilarious as hell when the prisoners serenaded him with Pink Floyd's The Wall


Sandusky can look forward to a lifetime in solitary confinement. if they put him in general population, he'd be dead before lunch time.
 
2012-07-15 02:27:28 AM

Weaver95: Sandusky can look forward to a lifetime in solitary confinement. if they put him in general population, he'd be dead before lunch time.


Nah, pretty sure he wouldn't be dead until he was made everyone's biatch.
 
2012-07-15 02:36:06 AM
If you're going to make shiat up, don't half-ass it. Renovating a 15+ year-old college shower has nothing to do with the Sandusky rapes. If you're going to go so far as to imply the renovations are related to the child rapes, at least have the balls to say its to remove Joe Pa's DNA from whacking off around the corner.
 
2012-07-15 03:09:53 AM
Some Lysol and bleach would have done it.
 
2012-07-15 03:16:30 AM

Weaver95: Sandusky can look forward to a lifetime in solitary confinement.


It only sucks he has so little life left. I hope he lives to a hundred and ten.
 
2012-07-15 07:50:27 AM

Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.


Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.
 
2012-07-15 08:06:48 AM

Weaver95: but don't knock down the paterno statue because THAT would be wrong....


That would be mob justice
 
2012-07-15 08:44:38 AM

Tommy Moo: Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.


Im in for another 50.

/I'm just serious
 
2012-07-15 08:58:20 AM
After a weekend to cool off about this I can say that the renovation wipes the slate clean. PSU had done more than enough with this gesture, and can now look to the future with a clean conscious. WE ARE!

/dumb asses
 
2012-07-15 09:03:53 AM

Happy Hours: That would be mob justice


seems like that's the only justice the victims are going to get when it comes to Paterno's actions.
 
2012-07-15 09:33:29 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-15 09:37:39 AM

Weaver95: there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.


There are a LOT MORE non-PSU folks who *hate* the events that happened that facilitated the creation of that political cartoon.
 
2012-07-15 09:40:37 AM
If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.
 
2012-07-15 09:45:42 AM
I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.
 
2012-07-15 09:46:10 AM

Happy Hours: Weaver95: but don't knock down the paterno statue because THAT would be wrong....

That would be mob justice


Yup, an angry mob of people who are against child rape.
 
2012-07-15 09:57:53 AM

Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.


Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.
 
2012-07-15 09:58:27 AM

Carth: Happy Hours: Weaver95: but don't knock down the paterno statue because THAT would be wrong....

That would be mob justice

Yup, an angry mob of people who are against child rape.


We have the technology. This has been done before. Evil Dictators need to be removed from the minds of the loyal followers, by any means necessary.

www.bigpicture.in
 
2012-07-15 10:09:09 AM

Tommy Moo: Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.


Sounds like a potential Kickstarter project.
 
2012-07-15 10:46:40 AM

WhyteRaven74: If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.


Sadly, the boosters are still pouring in cash and (at least to his credit) Tom O'Brien is going at ludicrous speed away from this. Since the NCAA probably doesn't have the balls to say what you suggest and have PSU honor the scholarships and have the transfer retain all eligibility and waive the year that they would have to sit out, could they at least throw them out of the B1G? At least then they lose their chunk of the $1 billion or so research grant they all share.

/5 years of bowl games and some scholarships being taken away won't cut it.
//Neither will reversing the results of previously played contests.
 
2012-07-15 10:51:35 AM

Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.


I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.
 
2012-07-15 11:01:54 AM

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: Sandusky can look forward to a lifetime in solitary confinement. if they put him in general population, he'd be dead before lunch time.

Nah, pretty sure he wouldn't be dead until he was made everyone's biatch.


Unless all the former PSU players in prison got to him first.

jdcgonzalez: Tommy Moo: Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.

Im in for another 50.

/I'm just serious


I'd prefer to see someone cover Paterno's head in an American flag like soldiers did to Saddam's statue before tearing it down. But I'd be cool for another $50.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.

Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.


Thank you. I farking hate the excuse 'it could happen anywhere' people are using for Pedo State. But there's no farking evidence it happened anywhere else, which is why we're talking about Penn State. And even if it did happen anywhere else, I doubt any other school's coach and admins would be so callous as to disregard rape victims for years and cover it up. PSU would be off the hook if Curley, Spanier, Schultz and Paterno had done the right thing over a decade ago and reported it. I hate this cliche, but this is a classic case where it's the cover-up and not the crime itself that's going to fark PSU for years.

Ken VeryBigLiar: could they at least throw them out of the B1G?


That's what I thought. I'm guessing PSU is too big a cashcow for the B1G to do anything, but I would love it if the rest of the B1G didn't want to be associated with the school and gave them the boot.
 
2012-07-15 11:05:43 AM
Maybe pipe in some soothing rhythmic slapping sounds over the intercom.
 
2012-07-15 11:07:47 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: WhyteRaven74: If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.

Sadly, the boosters are still pouring in cash and (at least to his credit) Tom O'Brien is going at ludicrous speed away from this. Since the NCAA probably doesn't have the balls to say what you suggest and have PSU honor the scholarships and have the transfer retain all eligibility and waive the year that they would have to sit out, could they at least throw them out of the B1G? At least then they lose their chunk of the $1 billion or so research grant they all share.

/5 years of bowl games and some scholarships being taken away won't cut it.
//Neither will reversing the results of previously played contests.


There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.
 
2012-07-15 11:08:42 AM

Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.


There's more of us who hate those PSU folks.
 
2012-07-15 11:18:06 AM

Paris1127: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I know. I read the comments beneath it.


FTC

On today's campuses, one of the most damaging accusations that can be made against anyone in authority is that he/she is a homophobe. Perhaps Joe Paterno could not sort out the difference between pedophilia (taboo) and homosexuality (celebrated).

That has got to be a troll.
 
2012-07-15 11:26:08 AM

steamingpile: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.


As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.
 
2012-07-15 11:29:32 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.

Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.


I'm guessing there are others where cover ups have have taken place.
 
2012-07-15 11:29:44 AM
The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

i.usatoday.net
 
2012-07-15 11:47:55 AM

foo monkey: If you're going to make shiat up, don't half-ass it. Renovating a 15+ year-old college shower has nothing to do with the Sandusky rapes. If you're going to go so far as to imply the renovations are related to the child rapes, at least have the balls to say its to remove Joe Pa's DNA from whacking off around the corner.


Maybe do some research before accusing people of making shiat up?

"The school intends to remodel the football team shower and locker room area as a direct result of Sandusky's crimes, university spokesman David La Torre told The Associated Press on Friday."

Link
 
2012-07-15 11:51:01 AM

Cinaed: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.

Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.

I'm guessing there are others where cover ups have have taken place.


Were you the captain of the point-missing team? I would be happy to be disgusted with any school that chooses their own self-interest over a child-rape victim. However the only one in the civilized world that has been proven to have actually pursued this course is Penn State.

Those farkers betrayed their players, the Penn State students, the community the school is based in, and most importantly those farkers betrayed child victims of rape. Rape rape.

I used to admire Joe Paterno and the Penn State program. The lack of team names on the uniforms because they were a football team, the championships, the leadership. JoePa and his cronies shiat on all of that when they decided to enable a monster to run amok in society.

Fark them.
 
2012-07-15 11:55:30 AM

velvet_fog: And even if it did happen anywhere else, I doubt any other school's coach and admins would be so callous as to disregard rape victims for years and cover it up.


THAT is BS. Honestly, at least PSU pretended to be clean, which is probably half the reason why people are so pissed. You think a school that openly doesn't give a shiat would be more ethical? As scummy as it turned out to be at least JoePa cared about appearances. You think a school like Alabama, where football is basically a second religion that excuses everything from oversigning to a long storied history of scandal, would blow open its entire program over a few kids? That's hilariously naive.

Don't pull punches on PSU, but don't make this out as PSU being something exceptional, either. What's so terrifying is that PSU was supposed to be the exception. It represents the ceiling for FBS ethics, not the floor.

Mind you this isn't a "so vote Republican" defense of PSU. But while I said in an earlier thread that PSU football is "too big to fail" (as in every single defense of Wall Street that was soundly rejected by the public is now pathetically being used to defend a culture of sexual abuse), it may very well be that college football itself is too big to fail. Honestly, I have zero confidence any big FBS program would do any better. None. Not even my alma mater. Because at every single damn turn, all I see is that football is "too big to fail".
 
2012-07-15 11:59:59 AM

steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.


I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.
 
2012-07-15 12:00:36 PM

Pavia_Resistance: steamingpile: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.

As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.


Well I don't believe the 20% birther number, maybe you should say people that are truthers on 9/11, moon landing people are bat shiat insane though, maybe let buzz (or was it john?) punch all of them in the face.

I was in an office where the guy is a known PSU alum and big football booster in the metro Atlanta area and his secretaries are after him to take down all the PSU/joepa memorabilia. He refuses to take even one piece down and his office is wall to wall PSU shiat, even pics of him with joepa and sandusky.

A lot of PSU people are in denial about this happening.
 
2012-07-15 12:06:31 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.


Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.
 
2012-07-15 12:17:24 PM

steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.


Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?
 
2012-07-15 12:19:48 PM

steamingpile: Pavia_Resistance: steamingpile: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:
[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.

As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.

Well I don't believe the 20% birther number, maybe you should say people that are truthers on 9/11, moon landing people are bat shiat insane though, maybe let buzz (or was it john?) punch all of them in the face.

I was in an office where the guy is a known PSU alum and big football booster in the metro Atlanta area and his secretaries are after him to take down all the PSU/joepa memorabilia. He refuses to take even one piece down and his office is wall to wall PSU shiat, even pics of him with joepa and sandusky.

A lot of PSU people are in denial about this happening.


This is why I simply cannot let go of the idea that the DA in the first case might have been killed over the Sandusky Scandal. Some fans are just way too fixated on the football program, and after seeing the support Paterno still enjoys, posthumously, after all the evidence has been revealed against him, leads me to believe that some of these idiots would consider such measures, and possibly even follow through with them.

People have been killed over far less than the millions Penn State's football program brings in. Children have been raped so that JoePa could get his "legacy" and Penn State's program could march on untarnished.

A couple of fresh thoughts... is it possible they ALLOWED Sandusky to use the facilities to rape children, to better CONTROL the situation? They may have hoped by keeping it contained in their facilities, they could prevent it from leaking out?

Second fresh thought... it occurs to me, in the event the first DA "disappearing" was not an accident or an unrelated event, perhaps the reason a second DA didn't "disappear" was that it introduces a pattern that could not be ignored?

I can't rule out either, but I'm not entirely convinced either thought has enough substance, either. IT's just sticking in the back of my head, a troubling thought, like I was channeling Columbo, scratching my head at things that don't seem to add up (or perhaps add up the wrong way).

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-15 12:20:29 PM

Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?


Their endowment currently has something around $2 billion in it, so unless the victims come out in battalion strength, they'll barely dent that figure.
 
2012-07-15 12:35:52 PM

steamingpile: I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.


As a Michigan fan, I can (frustratingly, at times) say that as much as UofM's football program is "big" - it's not the most important thing to the university; that is to say, no player or coach is above the law. RichRod brought down the gold standard for a few years, but even that was mostly extra practice for the players. Players have been sent packing (Forcier, for example), and even the great Bo Schembechler had to deal with the debate of having "too much power". His assistant coach scandal was Gary Moeller getting drunk at a restaurant, and took place after Moeller had become head coach.

I like to think that there is enough integrity in Michigan's football program, that a scandal like the Sandusky thing would never go as far as the first incident, or that rumors would be looked into even sooner. I do believe that is the case at most schools, regardless of the size of their stadium or the success of their programs.

Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?


Can't sue the state, who "owns" the school. The victims are SOL on this count.
 
2012-07-15 12:40:01 PM
The funny thing about the situation is watching the obligatory internet tough guy lynch mob shake their tiny fists.

REMOVE EVERYTHING NOW! TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING NOW! NOW DAMMIT 'CAUSE WE SAY SO!
 
2012-07-15 12:46:00 PM
Michigan is just like every other big sports school. Those in the program are protected and the list of perks is long. That's just reality. It's an enormous industry that generates hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the school.

You have to fark up large and in public to get slapped.

The thing at PSU doesn't compare. It's on it's own level.
 
2012-07-15 01:01:22 PM

Carth: steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?


The only people they can sue are those involved and maybe the booster program but the school can't get sued.
 
2012-07-15 01:05:02 PM

barneyfifesbullet: Michigan is just like every other big sports school. Those in the program are protected and the list of perks is long. That's just reality. It's an enormous industry that generates hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the school.

You have to fark up large and in public to get slapped.

The thing at PSU doesn't compare. It's on it's own level.


I wasn't saying they weren't important... but I think most schools do make an honest attempt to follow the NCAA rules. That doesn't mean there aren't "perks" for student athletes or that the occasional mischief might be overlooked.

As you say, PSU's infractions were at an entirely different level. It all starts with Paterno's "redirection of discipline" for his players; getting a DUI at Penn State means getting a crappier practice (only benched if the team really doesn't need the player), where most other schools, Michigan included, that player would have to face whatever legal discipline he SHOULD face, along with public team punishment. Paterno "kept it in the family" and that attitude was for his benefit and the benefit of the Penn State football program; and that carried over to the Sandusky Scandal. I think that is part of what allowed them to keep this under wraps for 14 years - and why the football program needs to be exorcised with a season or two of suspension. It is a glaring example of how wrong the attitude can get, and the cancerous tumor was allowed to grow and metastasize for 45 years.

In the end, we learn that Joe Paterno, far from being the font of integrity his fans make him out to be, was the root of the problem. It took 10 year old boys being raped in his locker room by his assistant coach to expose the festering problem.
 
2012-07-15 01:12:08 PM

ChrisDe: The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


well there's your problem right there. penn state put a halo on a football coach as though he was a saint for winning a few games for a few years.

/mr trustee tear down that statue
 
2012-07-15 01:12:17 PM
67.18.219.83
 
2012-07-15 01:15:28 PM

LesserEvil: steamingpile: I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

As a Michigan fan, I can (frustratingly, at times) say that as much as UofM's football program is "big" - it's not the most important thing to the university; that is to say, no player or coach is above the law. RichRod brought down the gold standard for a few years, but even that was mostly extra practice for the players. Players have been sent packing (Forcier, for example), and even the great Bo Schembechler had to deal with the debate of having "too much power". His assistant coach scandal was Gary Moeller getting drunk at a restaurant, and took place after Moeller had become head coach.

I like to think that there is enough integrity in Michigan's football program, that a scandal like the Sandusky thing would never go as far as the first incident, or that rumors would be looked into even sooner. I do believe that is the case at most schools, regardless of the size of their stadium or the success of their programs.

Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

Can't sue the state, who "owns" the school. The victims are SOL on this count.


I think you are looking at the wrong people for Michigan abuses, the biggest cover ups come from the boosters and they usually control the program if its a newer coach who hasn't won a lot yet. Rich's biggest issue is that he didn't kiss their asses enough so when the lazy kids complained about the work load the boosters slipped it to get him out of there. That "scandal" was bullshiat since there are a lot of "unofficial"/"official" practices ran by the players and GAs that players are expected to attend. That goes on at every major school and kids know if they don't attend they will suffer.
 
2012-07-15 01:18:07 PM
also, it's the cover up that everyone is mad at. sandusky is a monster. when penn state discovered that instead of destroying the monster they decided to conceal and enable. that's why they deserve the death penalty. that's why people want the statue down. evil exists, the least people should do is not conceal and enable it...
 
2012-07-15 01:22:42 PM

barneyfifesbullet: The funny thing about the situation is watching the obligatory internet tough guy lynch mob shake their tiny fists.

REMOVE EVERYTHING NOW! TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING NOW! NOW DAMMIT 'CAUSE WE SAY SO!


I don't think you quite understand what's being asked. The 'lynch mob', as you call it (and in which I include myself), sees a major if not the primary, number-one factor in this being allowed to happen being the sheer power and influence of the football program at Penn State. The football program was simply too powerful to go against, and the coverup was conducted to protect the football program. It is clear, at least to us, that what needs to happen is that if there is to be any assurance that this will never happen at Penn State again, the Penn State football program needs to be made drastically less powerful. If it is allowed to remain powerful, this all might happen again.

And how do you make a sub-professional football program less powerful? You shut the damn thing down and make it go through a long period of sucking once it comes back.

That is what is being asked. And it's exasperating to have to keep explaining this to a goddamn personality cult.
 
2012-07-15 01:33:42 PM

ChrisDe: The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


Pilato also added a blue ribbon to Paterno's jacket symbolizing sexual abuse awareness,

Oh, Paterno was aware, alright.
 
2012-07-15 01:37:01 PM

Gosling: And how do you make a sub-professional football program less powerful? You shut the damn thing down and make it go through a long period of sucking once it comes back.


Right - that's what SMU went through, and they are a better institution for it. A worse football team, but a better university.

Again, having a football team is a privilege, not a right. The Big 10 and NCAA have every right to kick Penn St. out of their organizations and give them the real death penalty. Maybe that's called for, I don't know, but bare minimum is SMU-style "death penalty," for crime far far beyond SMU's shenanigans.

/oh, and fark "renovating" the showers - they need to be Fuskushimaed
 
2012-07-15 01:47:55 PM

steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: WhyteRaven74: If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.

Sadly, the boosters are still pouring in cash and (at least to his credit) Tom O'Brien is going at ludicrous speed away from this. Since the NCAA probably doesn't have the balls to say what you suggest and have PSU honor the scholarships and have the transfer retain all eligibility and waive the year that they would have to sit out, could they at least throw them out of the B1G? At least then they lose their chunk of the $1 billion or so research grant they all share.

/5 years of bowl games and some scholarships being taken away won't cut it.
//Neither will reversing the results of previously played contests.

There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.


They do have an ethics clause you know... and since the football program was the main reason for the coverup and the main reason the crimes were even able to take place (not to mention the coach being the driving force in said coverup), I think it's a fair argument that the NCAA can do whatever the fark they want with Penn St at this point.
 
2012-07-15 01:53:29 PM
I hear N.A.M.B.L.A. wants to buy the building and make it a summer camp lodge ... and sort of a shrine, too.
 
2012-07-15 02:10:42 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I hear N.A.M.B.L.A. wants to buy the building and make it a summer camp lodge ... and sort of a shrine, too.


and they already have a statue of the appropriate idol on campus. it could be a nambla mecca. stop by all the holiest of nambla shrines in one short trip around penn state.
 
2012-07-15 02:38:35 PM
I've been holding off on posting anything on the scandal until I could fully collect my thoughts, and I think this is about as good as I can do. I started reading Thomas Mann's novel Doctor Faustus around the time that this scandal was breaking, and I've found that its provided a sort of exaggerated mirror for my own feelings on what has happened, and may happen going forward (I don't know if this will make sense to anyone else, so bear with me):

"This earth-shaking, plummeting havoc has come breathtakingly close to my refuge several times now. The dreadful bombardment of the city of Dürer and Willibald Pirckheimer was no longer some distant event; and as the Last Judgment fell upon Munich as well, I sat here in my study, turning ashen, shaking like the walls, doors, and windowpanes of my house."

"Its [Leipzig's] famous publishing district is, I sadly hear, only a heap of rubble and an immeasurable wealth of literary and educational material is now the spoil of destruction-a heavy loss not only for us Germans, but also for a whole world that cares about culture. That world, however, is apparently willing -whether blindly or correctly, I dare not decide-to take the loss into the bargain."

"Granted, the destruction of our cities from the air has long since turned Germany into an arena of war; and yet we find it inconceivable, impermissible, to think that Germany could ever become such an arena in the true sense, and our propaganda has a curious way of warning the foe against incursion upon our soil, our sacred German soil, as if that would be some grisly atrocity ... Our sacred German soil! As if anything were still sacred about it, as if it had not long ago been desecrated again and again by the immensity of our rape of justice and did not lie naked, both morally and in fact, before the power of divine judgment. Let it come!"

"... Whatever lived as German stands now as an abomination and the epitome of evil. What will it be like to belong to a nation whose history bore this gruesome fiasco within it, a nation that has driven itself mad, gone psychologically bankrupt, that admittedly despairs of governing itself and thinks it best that it become a colony of foreign powers, a nation that will have to live in isolated confinement, like the Jews of the ghetto, because the dreadfully swollen hatred all around it will not permit it to step outside its borders-a nation that cannot show its face?

/Sophomore at University Park
//Knew the "grand experiment" would end badly
///Counter-demonstrated occasionally (with a few other decent people) against the progressively insular and reactionary elements of the student body (almost got in a fight in the middle of the Thomas building for my trouble)
//Warned against making a hostage to fortune by so blindly defending Paterno
/Just wanted to let everyone know that we're not all rotten, some of us are giving this the sober, serious reaction it deserves
 
2012-07-15 03:02:42 PM

Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?


What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?
 
2012-07-15 03:04:59 PM

vudukungfu: ChrisDe: The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]

Pilato also added a blue ribbon to Paterno's jacket symbolizing sexual abuse awareness,

Oh, Paterno was aware, alright.


The artist should make JoePa's glasses rose-colored, too.

/Or green.
//Or black.
 
2012-07-15 03:06:17 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?


Be quiet, and don't tell anybody.
 
2012-07-15 03:06:59 PM
It's OK everyone, according to ESPN the healing is beginning.

Nevermind the pending civil litigation, the prosecution of cohorts Spanier, Schultz, and Curley, the national outrage at the school, and fact that the first thing that people will think of when hearing "Penn State University" is child rape.

Yup, the healing begins. Just wait until BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL begins in a few short weeks! A few wins and those kids will be unraped.
 
2012-07-15 03:10:35 PM

Owangotang: It's OK everyone, according to ESPN the healing is beginning.

Nevermind the pending civil litigation, the prosecution of cohorts Spanier, Schultz, and Curley, the national outrage at the school, and fact that the first thing that people will think of when hearing "Penn State University" is child rape.

Yup, the healing begins. Just wait until BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL begins in a few short weeks! A few wins and those kids will be unraped.


Thank God, PSU and Happy Valley can FINALLY put this behind them!

/Whew!
 
2012-07-15 03:25:52 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-07-15 03:44:48 PM
Whoever wrote that sign "He was a man, not a god!" needs to be smacked. It doesn't take a god to call the police...and he obviously demonstrated that he wasn't a man when he chose not to.
 
2012-07-15 04:03:52 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?


Nothing, the NCAA has no control over this, people need to actually understand what the NCAA does and realize a lot of this is out of their hands.
 
2012-07-15 04:07:19 PM

steamingpile: GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?

Nothing, the NCAA has no control over this, people need to actually understand what the NCAA does and realize a lot of this is out of their hands.


Because when a felony is committed and a member(s) of the athletic department actively covers it up, there's zero precedent for the NCAA to step in. Nope, none whatsoever.

Link
 
2012-07-15 04:09:02 PM

steamingpile: GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?

Nothing, the NCAA has no control over this, people need to actually understand what the NCAA does and realize a lot of this is out of their hands.


You obviously didn't read my comment. So I'll just repost it here for you

"They do have an ethics clause you know... and since the football program was the main reason for the coverup and the main reason the crimes were even able to take place (not to mention the coach being the driving force in said coverup), I think it's a fair argument that the NCAA can do whatever the fark they want with Penn St at this point."
 
2012-07-15 05:05:20 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?

Nothing, the NCAA has no control over this, people need to actually understand what the NCAA does and realize a lot of this is out of their hands.

Because when a felony is committed and a member(s) of the athletic department actively covers it up, there's zero precedent for the NCAA to step in. Nope, none whatsoever.

Link


Do you even notice the difference? Read what you posted and what happened at PSU to determine the difference, if you have half a brain you will see it but I suspect you wont and will continue biatching about two different things.
 
2012-07-15 05:07:26 PM
It would not surprise me if the Big Ten and/or NCAA dictates a warning to other schools to keep their fans from booing or heckling the Penn State football team during the Nittany Lions' road games this year.

/NCAA so mad at Penn State they punished Caltech
 
2012-07-15 05:08:15 PM

zippolight2002: steamingpile: GreatGlavinsGhost: Carth: Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

What does it say if the NCAA does nothing?

Nothing, the NCAA has no control over this, people need to actually understand what the NCAA does and realize a lot of this is out of their hands.

You obviously didn't read my comment. So I'll just repost it here for you

"They do have an ethics clause you know... and since the football program was the main reason for the coverup and the main reason the crimes were even able to take place (not to mention the coach being the driving force in said coverup), I think it's a fair argument that the NCAA can do whatever the fark they want with Penn St at this point."


No they can't, most of it does not involve the program, just the school and their moronic decisions.

You can read the previous post to try and spot the difference, but I suspect both are here just biatching about college sports killing higher learning or just hate PSU.
 
2012-07-15 05:13:11 PM

steamingpile: No they can't, most of it does not involve the program, just the school and their moronic decisions.


So the head football coach and AD aren't part of the "program"? Sure, sure they aren't.
 
2012-07-15 05:27:34 PM
And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.
 
2012-07-15 05:30:05 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: No they can't, most of it does not involve the program, just the school and their moronic decisions.

So the head football coach and AD aren't part of the "program"? Sure, sure they aren't.


Again, read the difference and get back to us, there is one huge difference as to why most of this is out of the NCAA's jurisdiction.
 
2012-07-15 05:35:04 PM

steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: No they can't, most of it does not involve the program, just the school and their moronic decisions.

So the head football coach and AD aren't part of the "program"? Sure, sure they aren't.

Again, read the difference and get back to us, there is one huge difference as to why most of this is out of the NCAA's jurisdiction.


So if the AD and Coach K covered up the rapes of multiple coeds at Duke and actively covered it up, the NCAA should just say nothing? No, they imposed sanctions when a coach paid a player to go away after he murdered another player. What possible difference do you see? That it went to higher persons that just the AD or just coach?
 
2012-07-15 05:40:16 PM

MAYORBOB: And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.


Jesus. OK, so the list of people that work at PSU that aren't pieces of human excrement is now at:

1

Anyone want to take the over/under on 5?
 
2012-07-15 06:10:42 PM

MAYORBOB: And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.


Wow.

"Vicky knew that she had attempted to do the right thing in disciplining the football players, but she was unable to do so in the Penn State environment," said Gene Hughes, a president emeritus at Wichita State and Northern Arizona University.



Theres the smoking gun the NCAA needs. I mean besides the whole thing where Sandusky brought a kid he intended to rape to the Alamo Bowl and roomed with him in his hotel room. Johny didnt feel comfortable being raped and cried and complained to Sandusky so Sandusky told the kid if he was quiet then he'd be a walk on for good old PSU but if the kid kept squawking hed be sent home alone in disgrace before the game was played.

Thats in the Grand Jury report. And seems like illegal recruiting that does cross NCAA lines as well as all lines of sanity and ethics.
 
2012-07-15 06:43:28 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: No they can't, most of it does not involve the program, just the school and their moronic decisions.

So the head football coach and AD aren't part of the "program"? Sure, sure they aren't.

Again, read the difference and get back to us, there is one huge difference as to why most of this is out of the NCAA's jurisdiction.

So if the AD and Coach K covered up the rapes of multiple coeds at Duke and actively covered it up, the NCAA should just say nothing? No, they imposed sanctions when a coach paid a player to go away after he murdered another player. What possible difference do you see? That it went to higher persons that just the AD or just coach?


YOU are the one that is not seeing the difference and its a very big one as far as the NCAA is concerned which is why they most likely wont do anything.
 
2012-07-15 07:11:09 PM

velvet_fog: That's what I thought. I'm guessing PSU is too big a cashcow for the B1G to do anything, but I would love it if the rest of the B1G didn't want to be associated with the school and gave them the boot.


The PacTweleventen already gave the B1G the boot on the cross-conference scheduling.

/the excuse was something else, but who wants to go to Unhappy Child Rape Valley, even on a good day?
 
2012-07-15 07:20:57 PM

MAYORBOB: And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.


After reading that, 40 days and 40 nights of rain in Happy Valley might fix things.
 
2012-07-15 07:33:28 PM
Sigh...another thread where no one cares about the victims, only the witch hunt...

/Vigilance is hard. Vigilantism is easy.
 
2012-07-15 07:43:40 PM

MAYORBOB: And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.


Wow, that's not going to help things.
 
2012-07-15 08:10:31 PM

MAYORBOB: And the news keeps getting worse and worse for Penn State and Joe Pa.


Scum, all of them. Paterno, Sandusky, the administration, and last but not least, the fans.
 
2012-07-15 08:11:58 PM

IlGreven: Sigh...another thread where no one cares about the victims, only the witch hunt...

/Vigilance is hard. Vigilantism is easy.


How vigilant were you, you JoePa apologist?
 
2012-07-15 08:40:33 PM

steamingpile: YOU are the one that is not seeing the difference and its a very big one as far as the NCAA is concerned which is why they most likely wont do anything.


What, that the NCAA hasn't had to act on anything of this scale? Because YOU aren't seeing that they've at dealt with some of the same elements before or providing what's missing from them being made an example of. And while they didn't give the death penalty to Baylor for the coach's cover up, Baylor flogged themselves pretty heavily in order to spare themselves such a fate.
 
2012-07-15 09:51:02 PM

steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.


There is every cause to impose the death penalty. PSU football knowingly set up a sanctuary for a known serial predator to protect its reputation and competitive advantage. It's a corrupt educational institution, rotten to the core because football, and so the tumor has to be excised.

Six years without football sounds about right: also fine PSU enough money to put into a fund that can pay to athletes who transfer out scholarships equivalent to what PSU is paying them now. Gut the program completely, and let them start again from zero. No less should be the price of harboring a predator. Nothing less is remotely just.
 
2012-07-15 09:51:42 PM
And, oh yeah, tear down the statue and rename the library.
 
2012-07-15 09:52:42 PM

Owangotang: It's OK everyone, according to ESPN the healing is beginning.

Nevermind the pending civil litigation, the prosecution of cohorts Spanier, Schultz, and Curley, the national outrage at the school, and fact that the first thing that people will think of when hearing "Penn State University" is child rape.

Yup, the healing begins. Just wait until BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL begins in a few short weeks! A few wins and those kids will be unraped.


Take a page from the Romney campaign managers and those kids' sphincters can be made whole retroactively.
 
2012-07-15 10:13:02 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-07-15 11:28:33 PM
I heard a pretty fair commentary on Paterno's legacy this morning (paraphrasing):

"This won't invalidate his lifelong accomplishments, but it could overshadow them."
 
2012-07-15 11:29:22 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: What, that the NCAA hasn't had to act on anything of this scale? Because YOU aren't seeing that they've at dealt with some of the same elements before or providing what's missing from them being made an example of. And while they didn't give the death penalty to Baylor for the coach's cover up, Baylor flogged themselves pretty heavily in order to spare themselves such a fate.


What you are failing to see is that while the crimes were heinous, none of them involved a single player which the NCAA has control over, they do not own the facilities and they can not control what they do, they only govern the treatment of student athletes. The coach at baylor instructed and threatened students to lie along with other shiat involving players, that is why the NCAA farked them up.

Millennium: There is every cause to impose the death penalty. PSU football knowingly set up a sanctuary for a known serial predator to protect its reputation and competitive advantage. It's a corrupt educational institution, rotten to the core because football, and so the tumor has to be excised.


Again, it is a horrible, none of them involved a student athlete which is the NCAA's jurisdiction.

The tumor was excised joepa died, nobody will ever have power like that at PSU again.
 
2012-07-15 11:32:16 PM

GoldSpider: I heard a pretty fair commentary on Paterno's legacy this morning (paraphrasing):

"This won't invalidate his lifelong accomplishments, but it could overshadow them."


I still love bobby bowdens way with words.

Its ironic still that they took wins away from bobby to allow joe to pass him earlier when they thought joe was stepping down so the all times win record would be in the hands of a more honorable coach than bobby............whooops nice move there NCAA.
 
2012-07-16 10:48:47 AM

steamingpile: Again, it is a horrible, none of them involved a student athlete which is the NCAA's jurisdiction.


The NCAA's jurisdiction is not merely students, but teams and programs. If one looks at previous NCAA death penalty cases, the common thread is not the students, but the staff.

The tumor was excised joepa died, nobody will ever have power like that at PSU again.

Certainly they will, as things currently stand. His successor will have the same power if not more, because the power ultimately stemmed not from the man, but from PSU's football program: an institution so overvalued that Paterno was actually able to influence the heads of the university to cover up this crime, because football. It is the culture surrounding PSU football that is the tumor, and so that is what must go.
 
2012-07-16 11:20:42 AM

Millennium: steamingpile: Again, it is a horrible, none of them involved a student athlete which is the NCAA's jurisdiction.

The NCAA's jurisdiction is not merely students, but teams and programs. If one looks at previous NCAA death penalty cases, the common thread is not the students, but the staff.

The tumor was excised joepa died, nobody will ever have power like that at PSU again.

Certainly they will, as things currently stand. His successor will have the same power if not more, because the power ultimately stemmed not from the man, but from PSU's football program: an institution so overvalued that Paterno was actually able to influence the heads of the university to cover up this crime, because football. It is the culture surrounding PSU football that is the tumor, and so that is what must go.


They only intervene when they are placed at risk, or for repeated offenses, like it or not this would have been PSU's first offense if they could even find one to charge them with. Anything off school grounds is not their issue and is a criminal matter, I don't understand why its so hard to understand that fact.

I do fully expect that the administrators involved will never be allowed to be in charge of NCAA programs again and it should be that way. Knowing kids are being abused and you do nothing is just as bad as if you did the molesting, I fail to see why everybody covered it up since the 90s. I think this may get bigger now and I really want to know how that lawyer died because its really suspicious.

And even though they wont get the death penalty this will kill the programs for years to come.
 
2012-07-16 06:18:38 PM

GoldSpider: I heard a pretty fair commentary on Paterno's legacy this morning (paraphrasing):

"This won't invalidate his lifelong accomplishments, but it could overshadow them."


Ya think?
 
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