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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Don't like the homeless in your city? Simple, just make doing anything except walking and spending money an arrestable offense   (tampabay.com) divider line 79
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2012-07-14 08:32:02 PM
Then they get free place to stay and free food. Problem solved.

/D'oh
 
2012-07-14 08:43:44 PM
I just spent 60 days in the jailhouse
For the crime of having no dough
Now here I am back out on the street
For the crime of having nowhere to go


/yeah... that'll work just fine
 
2012-07-14 08:56:28 PM
See that man over there?

i55.tinypic.com

We arrested him for mopery.
 
2012-07-14 09:07:02 PM
Land of the Free.
 
2012-07-14 09:10:55 PM
People suck. Give them a little power, you will see how much.

/Ric Romero reporting
 
2012-07-14 09:20:01 PM
Why is walking legal? You should be driving a car or a hoveround.
 
2012-07-14 09:35:09 PM
The homeless can't afford e-meter auditing.
 
2012-07-14 09:41:58 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Give us this day, our daily bread.

In Arizona, it's illegal to give away food, clothing or money to the homeless in 'public areas'. Police will consider you suspect if they catch you talking with a homeless person. More laws targeting the poor by super rich conservatives who claim to be 'Christians'.

Got to keep those jails full. That way they can get more money from a fed government they despise.
 
2012-07-14 09:57:26 PM
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Republican convention coming into town.
 
2012-07-14 10:07:12 PM
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
 
2012-07-14 10:08:41 PM
And when arrested and jailed they'll have a home. Problem solved. Except for the cost.
 
2012-07-14 10:09:18 PM
What Would Jebus Do?

The real Jebus, not the Republitard or Supply Side Jebus.
 
2012-07-14 10:09:52 PM

Mugato: I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Republican convention coming into town.


Can't let the TV cameras catch a glimpse of the undesirables.
 
2012-07-14 10:11:23 PM

Godscrack: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x313]

Give us this day, our daily bread.

In Arizona, it's illegal to give away food, clothing or money to the homeless in 'public areas'. Police will consider you suspect if they catch you talking with a homeless person. More laws targeting the poor by super rich conservatives who claim to be 'Christians'.

Got to keep those jails full. That way they can get more money from a fed government they despise in order to make a big-ass profit off their private prisons.

 
2012-07-14 10:13:34 PM
Clearwater, FL = Scientology HQ, yes? I'd be shocked if CoS wasn't balls-deep in the local govt. This seems like a good way for them to acquire a steady stream of workers for their thetan mines, workers no one's likely to come looking for.
 
2012-07-14 10:14:23 PM
Dear Clearwater cops,

Is this what you had in mind when you were a kid and decided you wanted to be a cop? Is this what motivated you to make it through the academy? Is this the reward you envisioned waiting for you at the end of the FTO program? I know that reality rarely lives up to the romantic ideal, but busting some poor schlep for sitting down is a looooooog ways away from crime-fighting superhero. Remember those ideals that drew you to the profession, and don't throw away your humanity for a paycheck. Remember that the poor schlep you're about to cuff and stuff is a fellow citizen and taxpayer, and that plenty of the nicely dressed and neatly groomed mooks walking to and from work every day are probably less than 10 paychecks from homelessness, too.
 
2012-07-14 10:23:24 PM
Ugh. They did exactly that here, several years ago.


/not in florida
 
2012-07-14 10:24:44 PM

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2012-07-14 10:13:34 PM
Clearwater, FL = Scientology HQ, yes? I'd be shocked if CoS wasn't balls-deep in the local govt. This seems like a good way for them to acquire a steady stream of workers for their thetan mines, workers no one's likely to come looking for.


wasn't this a Buffy episode?
 
2012-07-14 10:26:24 PM
Just make it illegal not to own a house. Problem solved. *retch*
 
2012-07-14 10:29:10 PM

blackflag415: The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.


This just happens to be my sig file for my office email account.

"Liberal" Seattle enacted some rather draconian laws targeting the homeless a few years back, and the courts smacked down that nonsense before the ink on the proclamation was dry. I'll be interested to see what happens now.
 
2012-07-14 10:31:21 PM
Walking? That's for poors.
 
2012-07-14 10:31:56 PM
The next step is to outlaw mobile homes, then houses worth less than a hundred grand, then...
 
2012-07-14 10:32:07 PM
Just amend the "Stand Your Ground" law to include any homeless people. Problem solved.
 
2012-07-14 10:32:47 PM
One of the things I hate about going into San Francisco is running the beggar gauntlet. In some areas you can't go five paces without someone demanding money or having to step over them or their pile of garbage. When I'm at a show, popping out between sets for a quick smoke is guaranteed to attract a half a dozen people wanting money or a smoke. At first you try to be pleasant about it, but eventually you're just sick of the shiat.

Last weekend I had to tell one asshole that he needed to walk away immediately before I kicked the shiat out of him (he was making threats to the young lady I was with in his demands for money). I seriously don't want to beat up someone who might be mentally ill, but if he had made an aggressive move towards my friend I would not have hesitated. Fortunately, my friend saw me signal for her to go inside which defused the situation.

With that said, what Clearwater is doing won't fix the problem. I suggest they take over the Co$ SeaOrg campus and turn it into a homeless shelter.
 
2012-07-14 10:33:44 PM
Baron Karza frowns on these light handed tactics. He demands body banks to be built at once.
 
2012-07-14 10:34:55 PM

OgreMagi: With that said, what Clearwater is doing won't fix the problem. I suggest they take over the Co$ SeaOrg campus and turn it into a homeless shelter.


Not gonna happen.

As others have pointed out, the Scientologists are well on their way to running Clearwater.
 
2012-07-14 10:38:46 PM
East Gateway neighborhood could mean a $500 fine, 60 days in jail or both.

Great. Fight the homeless by giving them a home for 60 days at a time, with 3 hots and a cot, all on the public dime. That's pretty smart.

/farking douchebags.
 
2012-07-14 10:42:10 PM
Nothing a flamethrower can't fix.
 
2012-07-14 10:43:15 PM

RexTalionis: East Gateway neighborhood could mean a $500 fine, 60 days in jail or both.

Great. Fight the homeless by giving them a home for 60 days at a time, with 3 hots and a cot, all on the public dime. That's pretty smart.

/farking douchebags.


sad part is the ocean is right there, all it takes is one ferry trip and there won't be many repeat offenders.
 
2012-07-14 10:45:17 PM

teto85: not the Republitard or Supply Side Jebus.


How dare you not believe in white Jesus!!
 
2012-07-14 10:45:32 PM
Why not? Roberts (R) just made it legal.
 
2012-07-14 10:46:00 PM

Tymast: RexTalionis: East Gateway neighborhood could mean a $500 fine, 60 days in jail or both.

Great. Fight the homeless by giving them a home for 60 days at a time, with 3 hots and a cot, all on the public dime. That's pretty smart.

/farking douchebags.

sad part is the ocean is right there, all it takes is one ferry trip and there won't be many repeat offenders.


Are you talking about offshoring the cops?
 
2012-07-14 10:48:00 PM
Florida does not appear to be super cool to the homeless. Why not come to sunny California, the local govts almost promote it!
 
2012-07-14 10:48:01 PM
How about instead of throwing them in jail we throw them into a mental hospital or a rehab facility? Any way you do it taxpayers are going to be sponsoring it but at least one way might actually help these people and turn them into productive citizens.
 
2012-07-14 10:49:08 PM
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2012-07-14 10:52:17 PM
Wow. I've been working on an art project for the past three years, a series of oil portraits of panhandlers in Harvard Square, and I've gotten to know them pretty well. I asked one of them why he didn't hang out in Florida where it was warm all the time and his answer pretty much reflected the tenor of this article. The funny thing is, I doubt the swarms of homeless beggars in Harvard Square--and there are a lot of 'em--detract in any way from the local economy. Probably the opposite, they add another note of local color to the buskers, street performers, living statues, etc. that enliven the area. It seems like the loophole in the law is the whole First Amendment thing. Just replace your "Homeless, Need to Eat" signs with "Death to the Capitalist Pigs" signs and they can't touch you.

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-07-14 10:52:19 PM

moefuggenbrew: [previous.presstv.ir image 450x300]


Ah, the new police chief in his proudest moment!
 
2012-07-14 10:55:19 PM

Anenu: How about instead of throwing them in jail we throw them into a mental hospital or a rehab facility? Any way you do it taxpayers are going to be sponsoring it but at least one way might actually help these people and turn them into productive citizens.




your mistake is thinking that the town actually wants to do anything to HELP the homeless, when in fact their only goal is to prevent people from having to see them or deal with them.
 
2012-07-14 10:55:43 PM

clambam: Wow. I've been working on an art project for the past three years, a series of oil portraits of panhandlers in Harvard Square, and I've gotten to know them pretty well. I asked one of them why he didn't hang out in Florida where it was warm all the time and his answer pretty much reflected the tenor of this article. The funny thing is, I doubt the swarms of homeless beggars in Harvard Square--and there are a lot of 'em--detract in any way from the local economy. Probably the opposite, they add another note of local color to the buskers, street performers, living statues, etc. that enliven the area. It seems like the loophole in the law is the whole First Amendment thing. Just replace your "Homeless, Need to Eat" signs with "Death to the Capitalist Pigs" signs and they can't touch you.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 486x640]


No, they put up THAT sign and they'll get pepper sprayed, shot with rubber bullets THEN arrested.
 
2012-07-14 10:57:23 PM
Ah yes, a Republican hot spot relying on a bigger, more invasive government fist.

THIS IS NOT WHAT YOUR PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR!
 
2012-07-14 11:00:55 PM

Funny_Like_A_Clown: Anenu: How about instead of throwing them in jail we throw them into a mental hospital or a rehab facility? Any way you do it taxpayers are going to be sponsoring it but at least one way might actually help these people and turn them into productive citizens.



your mistake is thinking that the town actually wants to do anything to HELP the homeless, when in fact their only goal is to prevent people from having to see them or deal with them.


This would solve that problem and it means that when you see St. Peter standing by the gates to heaven and he ask you what good you have done in life for those who need it most your answer won't be that you put them in prison were they belonged.
 
2012-07-14 11:02:04 PM

PapaChester: Ah yes, a Republican hot spot relying on a bigger, more invasive government fist.

THIS IS NOT WHAT YOUR PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR!


Rightists are inherently authoritarian. Anyone who says different is trying to sell you something (usually an overlord who's supposed to be better because he doesn't answer to you in any way).
 
2012-07-14 11:09:50 PM
NO BUMS. XENU FORBIDS IT.


/Clearwater is run top to bottom by Co$. Tisn't America no more.
 
2012-07-14 11:11:38 PM
Legal challenges and intense criticism have followed passage of such "acts of living" laws, which federal experts with the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness say "punish people who currently live on the street and do nothing to reduce the factors contributing to homelessness."

Will one of you Fark Independents explain what you propose to do other than punish people? Difficulty - just because some people are lazy doesn't mean that all bums got there by choice. Are you OK with screwing the genuinely needy if it means farking over a career panhandler? You dismantle or obstruct mental health care, parrot demonstrably failed economic policy, and then wail to the sky that a homeless guy is breathing the same air in your neighborhood?

Fark off.
 
2012-07-14 11:18:26 PM
Nobody here has pointed out that the homeless have been pushed into the Tampa area by the surrounding communities by using similar methods, creating the largest homeless population in any metro area. It just doesn't make the news when a suburb or smaller city passes panhandling/homeless bans

Not that any of that makes the laws right, but city councils are flailing for any way to get the dirty homeless people out of public view during a time of shrinking budgets

Now, go back to talking shiat about jails and republicans, because that's what this is all really about
 
2012-07-14 11:24:18 PM
Every city does this to one degree or another. Even Berkeley, CA, which is probably the most homeless-friendly city in the US, has the standard open-container statutes and so on.

Admittedly it gets more extreme in some places, but "no sitting on public sidewalks" is far from unusually strict, is what I'm saying here. From personal experience I'd guess well over half of our major cities have those for at least commercial districts.
 
2012-07-14 11:25:40 PM

Jim_Callahan: Every city does this to one degree or another. Even Berkeley, CA, which is probably the most homeless-friendly city in the US, has the standard open-container statutes and so on.

Admittedly it gets more extreme in some places, but "no sitting on public sidewalks" is far from unusually strict, is what I'm saying here. From personal experience I'd guess well over half of our major cities have those for at least commercial districts.


And it's wrong and should be called out any time it happens.
 
2012-07-14 11:30:10 PM
Correction: Tampa has highest RATE of homelessness, not population

Link (pops?)
 
2012-07-14 11:32:12 PM
Second amendment is for everybody. Arm the homeless.
 
2012-07-15 12:00:34 AM
FTA: And protesters legally could sit or lie down, but only if they had in their possession "signs or literature explaining the protest."

No officer, I'm not homeless, I'm just a protester protesting the fact that I can't afford a place to live.

It's all explained right here on this old dirty piece of cardboard.
 
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