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(Washington Post)   Washington Post "Fact Checker" Glenn Kessler responds to Bain shiatstorm, saying "While I must concede there is indeed a lot of smoke and heat, I will wait until I see actual flames before making a judgement there is fire"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 398
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2012-07-14 05:33:36 PM
adding, "Ash me no more questions, and I'll tell you no more lyes."
 
2012-07-14 05:38:56 PM
So... the journalistic equivalent of sticking fingers in both ears and saying 'la la laaa'?
 
2012-07-14 05:45:00 PM

Chariset: So... the journalistic equivalent of sticking fingers in both ears and saying 'la la laaa'?


"in the interest of creating a horse race, I refuse to condemn Mitt Romney for anything"
 
2012-07-14 05:49:57 PM
Now that's what I call a liberal media.
 
2012-07-14 06:04:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984:

"in the interest of creating a horse race, I refuse to condemn Mitt Romney for anything"


But it just dosen't work that way. The entire media landscape cannot be driven to do anything, even if it is their own best interest. You have thousands of people with powerful, individual egos and large microphones, and ten times that number with just wisps on influence pushing hard right behind them. You cannot corral that into a single message. Do monotonous, repetitive, reduced themes emerge? Absolutely, but it is the product of desperation for ratings, influence and the desire to shout FIRST! It's not an orchestrated effort (well, outside of Fox news), at least from my viewpoint.

The writer knows he'll be drug through the mud no matter what he says, so he is siding with caution, as any person who is trying to separate political truth from fiction should. And if he is showing more care than he would with an issue against a Democratic contender, there is a damn good reason: Republicans voters don't care if things are true or not. Climate change, gay rights, financial regulation...time and time again they have proven they are perfectly willing to ignore reality for the sake of their beliefs, and they will viciously attack anything outside of those beliefs, true or not.

I honestly think he's just covering his ass here.
 
2012-07-14 06:08:42 PM
Translation: "I am financially obligated to the Romney campaign, and therefore, I have no choice but to allow my professional and ethical betters to investigate and report on this for me lest I lose all those sweet, sweet Romneybucks."
 
2012-07-14 06:10:58 PM

vartian: The writer knows he'll be drug through the mud no matter what he says, so he is siding with caution, as any person who is trying to separate political truth from fiction should


Bullsh*t. He's refusing to look at the facts and do his job because he thinks it will lose readers if he isn't "balanced"
 
2012-07-14 06:16:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: vartian: The writer knows he'll be drug through the mud no matter what he says, so he is siding with caution, as any person who is trying to separate political truth from fiction should

Bullsh*t. He's refusing to look at the facts and do his job because he thinks it will lose readers if he isn't "balanced"


B-b-but... he put the word FACTS right in the article...
 
2012-07-14 06:17:48 PM

libranoelrose: cameroncrazy1984: vartian: The writer knows he'll be drug through the mud no matter what he says, so he is siding with caution, as any person who is trying to separate political truth from fiction should

Bullsh*t. He's refusing to look at the facts and do his job because he thinks it will lose readers if he isn't "balanced"

B-b-but... he put the word FACTS right in the article...


Clearly he is a balanced reporter!
 
2012-07-14 06:41:57 PM
Seems like a pretty good way to find yourself on fire.
 
2012-07-14 06:42:37 PM

libranoelrose: B-b-but... he put the word FACTS right in the article...


Plus a summary of both the arguments and counterarguments, referencing the evidence that's come out so far.
 
2012-07-14 06:50:27 PM
Considering this has been "fact checked" to death, they will be waiting a long time.
 
2012-07-14 06:51:43 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering this has been "fact checked" to death, they will be waiting a long time.


Then Romney should have no problem with releasing all of his tax returns.
 
2012-07-14 06:53:48 PM

Pincy: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering this has been "fact checked" to death, they will be waiting a long time.

Then Romney should have no problem with releasing all of his tax returns.


And Obama his college records.

The manufactured Bain nontroversy is a wonderful spin/lie tactic by the administration to draw focus away from the issues though.
 
2012-07-14 06:54:02 PM
It's not the job of investigative journalists to do investigations.
 
2012-07-14 06:54:53 PM
TFA: SEC filings in the 1999-2001 period show that Romney was listed as "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president" of Bain Capital Inc...

...I consulted with securities law experts who have many years of experience with these particular SEC filings. One expert pointed out that the titles are basically meaningless, that someone can be listed as a chief executive and have no responsibilities whatsoever...


Apparently only one of several experts gave him the answer he wanted.
 
2012-07-14 06:56:54 PM
Glenn Kessler, fact cheucker
 
2012-07-14 06:57:00 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Pincy: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering this has been "fact checked" to death, they will be waiting a long time.

Then Romney should have no problem with releasing all of his tax returns.

And Obama his college records.

The manufactured Bain nontroversy is a wonderful spin/lie tactic by the administration to draw focus away from the issues though.


Wow, even though other Presidential nominees have released all of their tax returns and it is pretty much considered a standard part of running for President you are really going to give him a pass on this because of some Obama college records? Yes, these are exactly the same thing.
 
2012-07-14 06:57:54 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Pincy: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering this has been "fact checked" to death, they will be waiting a long time.

Then Romney should have no problem with releasing all of his tax returns.

And Obama his college records.

The manufactured Bain nontroversy is a wonderful spin/lie tactic by the administration to draw focus away from the issues though.


...and the repeated attempts to repeal the ACA are a perfectly good way to draw focus away from the Rmoney campaign implosion.
 
2012-07-14 06:59:54 PM
Holy crap, I know this is the politics tab, but did anyone actually read the link? The author was evaluating a claim made by democrats that Romney as a leader at Bain outsourced specific jobs. The author acknowledged that Romney was involved with Bain after 1999 until 2002, but stated that it was not yet clear what romney's role in making decisions about KB Toys was during this period. He also stated that once it becomes clear he will revisit the topic and write about it.

Get a grip
 
2012-07-14 07:01:35 PM
these ads about Bain capital are kicking Romney's ass. he shouldn't be this deep in trouble so soon.
 
2012-07-14 07:03:03 PM

AKTurkey: Holy crap, I know this is the politics tab, but did anyone actually read the link? The author was evaluating a claim made by democrats that Romney as a leader at Bain outsourced specific jobs. The author acknowledged that Romney was involved with Bain after 1999 until 2002, but stated that it was not yet clear what romney's role in making decisions about KB Toys was during this period. He also stated that once it becomes clear he will revisit the topic and write about it.

Get a grip


"I reported directly to Mitt Romney . . . You can't be CEO of Bain Capital and say, `I really don't know what my guys were doing,'"
 
2012-07-14 07:03:08 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: The manufactured Bain nontroversy is a wonderful spin/lie tactic by the administration to draw focus away from the issues though.


Yeah, if anyone will win voters over, it's Romney embracing Bush-era economic policies.
 
2012-07-14 07:03:56 PM

Weaver95: these ads about Bain capital are kicking Romney's ass. he shouldn't be this deep in trouble so soon.


Did you see this one?
 
2012-07-14 07:04:25 PM

AKTurkey: Holy crap, I know this is the politics tab, but did anyone actually read the link? The author was evaluating a claim made by democrats that Romney as a leader at Bain outsourced specific jobs. The author acknowledged that Romney was involved with Bain after 1999 until 2002, but stated that it was not yet clear what romney's role in making decisions about KB Toys was during this period. He also stated that once it becomes clear he will revisit the topic and write about it.

Get a grip


Romney was "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president" of the company. He was responsible for all its operations.

The claim that he was uninvolved is laughable.
 
2012-07-14 07:04:51 PM
So who was in charge of Bain, and responsible for its actions, during that time period? Why don't the SEC filings name that person as being in charge?
 
2012-07-14 07:05:23 PM

AKTurkey: The author acknowledged that Romney was involved with Bain after 1999 until 2002, but stated that it was not yet clear what romney's role in making decisions about KB Toys was during this period.


So Romney's going with the old "I didn't inhale" explanation. I'm sure that will go over well.
 
2012-07-14 07:05:51 PM

Pincy: Wow, even though other Presidential nominees have released all of their tax returns and it is pretty much considered a standard part of running for President you are really going to give him a pass on this because of some Obama college records? Yes, these are exactly the same thing.


Information is information. He has released tax info sufficient to fulfill any requirement. Some people want to know more about his income, they aren't going to get it. Obama not releasing his college information. He has fulfilled any requirement people are entitled to about his classes and performance. Some people want to know more. They too aren't going to get it.

Obama's reaction is to run lies in his advertisements, and when confronted with the facts and the clear lack of evidence, chooses to ignore it.
 
2012-07-14 07:06:54 PM
Whatever is in those tax returns is obviously worse than the heat he will take for not disclosing them
 
2012-07-14 07:07:09 PM
So here is a question- if Romney is not responsible for any of the bad stuff that Bain did after 1999, how can he take credit for any of the good stuff? How can he claim to have created 100,000 jobs if many of those jobs were created after 1999?
 
2012-07-14 07:07:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: Yeah, if anyone will win voters over, it's Romney embracing Bush-era economic policies


Or Obama's tactic of embracing Bush's methods on the war on terror...with a few modifications such as bombing US citizens and flying drones over US soil.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen blah blah blah
 
2012-07-14 07:08:34 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Obama's reaction is to run lies in his advertisements, and when confronted with the facts and the clear lack of evidence, chooses to ignore it.


Which lies?
 
2012-07-14 07:08:38 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Pincy: Wow, even though other Presidential nominees have released all of their tax returns and it is pretty much considered a standard part of running for President you are really going to give him a pass on this because of some Obama college records? Yes, these are exactly the same thing.

Information is information. He has released tax info sufficient to fulfill any requirement. Some people want to know more about his income, they aren't going to get it. Obama not releasing his college information. He has fulfilled any requirement people are entitled to about his classes and performance. Some people want to know more. They too aren't going to get it.

Obama's reaction is to run lies in his advertisements, and when confronted with the facts and the clear lack of evidence, chooses to ignore it.


Um, we know Obama's income over the past 3 years. Only seems fair we know his opponent's.

Mayhaps you have a different definition of fair than I do. If so, feel free to explain.
 
2012-07-14 07:08:51 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Pincy: Wow, even though other Presidential nominees have released all of their tax returns and it is pretty much considered a standard part of running for President you are really going to give him a pass on this because of some Obama college records? Yes, these are exactly the same thing.

Information is information. He has released tax info sufficient to fulfill any requirement. Some people want to know more about his income, they aren't going to get it. Obama not releasing his college information. He has fulfilled any requirement people are entitled to about his classes and performance. Some people want to know more. They too aren't going to get it.

Obama's reaction is to run lies in his advertisements, and when confronted with the facts and the clear lack of evidence, chooses to ignore it.


So vote Romney because he and the PAC's that support him don't do the same excat thing.
 
2012-07-14 07:09:19 PM

FuturePastNow: So who was in charge of Bain, and responsible for its actions, during that time period?


ken-jennings.com
 
2012-07-14 07:09:22 PM

FuturePastNow: So who was in charge of Bain, and responsible for its actions, during that time period? Why don't the SEC filings name that person as being in charge?


and why was Mitt still getting his salary on top of his dividends? He was taking money for doing nothing? And the best he can come up with is "it wasn't illegal"

Play time is over motherfarkers
 
2012-07-14 07:09:22 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Or Obama's tactic of embracing Bush's methods on the war on terror...with a few modifications such as bombing US citizens and flying drones over US soil.


Bush restarted the hunt for Osama bin Laden? And went into Pakistan to get him? That's news to me.
 
2012-07-14 07:09:27 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Mrtraveler01: Yeah, if anyone will win voters over, it's Romney embracing Bush-era economic policies

Or Obama's tactic of embracing Bush's methods on the war on terror...with a few modifications such as bombing US citizens and flying drones over US soil.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen blah blah blah


Romney would put an end to that for sure!

/rolls eyes
 
2012-07-14 07:09:28 PM
This is the pinocchio guy? Who claimed Obama was lying about saying Romney paying a lower tax rate than many middle class Americans, while admitting in the same article that what he said was absolutely true.
 
2012-07-14 07:09:35 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Mrtraveler01: Yeah, if anyone will win voters over, it's Romney embracing Bush-era economic policies

Or Obama's tactic of embracing Bush's methods on the war on terror...with a few modifications such as bombing US citizens and flying drones over US soil.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen blah blah blah


We know, they're both bad so vote Rmnoney.
 
2012-07-14 07:10:12 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Obama's reaction is to run lies in his advertisements, and when confronted with the facts and the clear lack of evidence, chooses to ignore it.


What facts refute the allegations? Romney could put this to rest right now by releasing his tax returns and making Obama look like a big fat liar. For some reason, he doesn't seem eager to do that. I wonder why?
 
2012-07-14 07:11:18 PM
I'm waiting on Obama to run an ad that says this:

"In 2008, Mitt Romney gave the McCain campaign 20+ years of tax returns when he was being evaluated for the VP position. McCain then chose Sarah Palin, and now Romney refuses to release any of his tax information. What is in there that had McCain choose PALIN over Romney in 2008, and what is he hiding now?"
 
2012-07-14 07:12:37 PM
The world would be so much better if everybody was poor. Rich people are bad people. People that smoke dope all day watching Sponge Bob (Unless they have DirecTV, which they pay for by using welfare for food and rent, so they can afford sattelite TV) are the rightegous people. You work for a living? Pay income tax? Well, my friend, you are a farking sucker. It proves how stupid you are. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Sucking the Man's money cock to try and be better than the rest of us.
 
2012-07-14 07:12:51 PM

Bendal: What is in there that had McCain choose PALIN over Romney in 2008


Its on line 25a: 'Lack of vagina and maverickiness.'
 
2012-07-14 07:13:02 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: 6 of one, 1/2 dozen blah blah blah


6 of one, a full dozen with the other.
 
2012-07-14 07:13:52 PM

Propain_az: LEAVE THE RICH ALONE!!!!!11!!!1!!!!.


Well, if it'll stop you from crying, sure.
 
2012-07-14 07:14:13 PM

Propain_az: The world would be so much better if everybody was poor. Rich people are bad people. People that smoke dope all day watching Sponge Bob (Unless they have DirecTV, which they pay for by using welfare for food and rent, so they can afford sattelite TV) are the rightegous people. You work for a living? Pay income tax? Well, my friend, you are a farking sucker. It proves how stupid you are. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Sucking the Man's money cock to try and be better than the rest of us.


Are you actually retarded or do you just play one on TV?
 
2012-07-14 07:14:13 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Information is information.


What a useless thing to say. What Obama had for breakfast this morning is also "information."
 
2012-07-14 07:14:25 PM

Bendal: I'm waiting on Obama to run an ad that says this:

"In 2008, Mitt Romney gave the McCain campaign 20+ years of tax returns when he was being evaluated for the VP position. McCain then chose Sarah Palin, and now Romney refuses to release any of his tax information. What is in there that had McCain choose PALIN over Romney in 2008, and what is he hiding now?"


There are any number of PACs out there that need that suggestion. I'd start emailing them if I were you. If I don't see that on a damned bumper sticker shortly, I'm gonna be pissed.
 
2012-07-14 07:14:27 PM

Bendal: I'm waiting on Obama to run an ad that says this:

"In 2008, Mitt Romney gave the McCain campaign 20+ years of tax returns when he was being evaluated for the VP position. McCain then chose Sarah Palin, and now Romney refuses to release any of his tax information. What is in there that had McCain choose PALIN over Romney in 2008, and what is he hiding now?"


If I were President Obama - I wouldn't do a lot of campaigning this election season. Let the DNC have the money for congress critters or donate the money to some charitable causes "for the campaign".

There's nothing President Obama can say that will convince Fox News watchers to vote in his favor. Likewise, there's nothing Rmoney can say to convince rational beings to vote in his favor.
 
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