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2012-07-14 05:58:11 PM
dopers weren't getting killed needlessly in Iraq - send them first next war.
 
2012-07-14 06:42:25 PM
I thought Obama was the libbiest lib that ever libbed? It's almost as if he's a center right politician....

Libs!
 
2012-07-14 06:58:22 PM
Wait, I thought the medical marijuana thing was trotted out as the b-b-but Obama whenever someone mentioned states defying the Federal government about the healthcare plan.
 
2012-07-14 07:30:48 PM
Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?
 
2012-07-14 08:20:04 PM

cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?


Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes. Now he can at least claim that he's "tough on drugs", which might get him some conservative Democrat votes. It's not like the libertarians were going to vote for him, and the people whose votes swing entirely on medical MJ aren't (probably) a very large crowd. It's a horrific political calculation, but in all likelihood its the right one for Obama. Even if it's the wrong one morally/ethically.
 
2012-07-14 09:17:31 PM
Let me guess, they endorse RON PAUL right?
 
2012-07-14 09:18:16 PM

cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?


Obama has taken every opportunity to tell cannabis fans to fark off.
 
2012-07-14 09:19:30 PM
Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.
 
2012-07-14 09:32:47 PM

dahmers love zombie: cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?

Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes. Now he can at least claim that he's "tough on drugs", which might get him some conservative Democrat votes. It's not like the libertarians were going to vote for him, and the people whose votes swing entirely on medical MJ aren't (probably) a very large crowd. It's a horrific political calculation, but in all likelihood its the right one for Obama. Even if it's the wrong one morally/ethically.


I feel I should mention to you, perhaps it was in error, you said rape twice.
 
2012-07-14 09:33:23 PM
It would be nice to see Eric 'keepin busy' Holder sidelined for Obama's second term.
 
2012-07-14 09:33:28 PM

Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.


What is his policy?

Drugs are okay when wealthy people use them?
 
2012-07-14 09:34:16 PM
I don't know what these pot guys are on about, he made his feelings clear:

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states' deciding the issue on their own. Link
 
2012-07-14 09:34:34 PM

wedun: cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?

Obama has taken every opportunity to tell cannabis fans to fark off.


If Obama isn't pro-weed they lose their biggest talking point to support individual states defying federal law defying the health care plan.
 
2012-07-14 09:36:03 PM
Obama has really cracked down on marijuana and immigration enforcement in an effort to win plaudits from voters he thought were winnable. This strategic mistake was borne from the same mentality that led him to continue negotiating in good faith with Republicans despite their interminable goal-post shifting, straight-up reneging, perpetual lying. and ceaseless smearing.

I hope Obama's learned his lesson.
 
2012-07-14 09:36:24 PM

crab66: Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.

What is his policy?

Drugs are okay when wealthy people use them?


Federal Caffeine ban
 
2012-07-14 09:37:01 PM
Well Chicago cops will only give tickets out instead of jail time
 
2012-07-14 09:39:49 PM

Mugato: If Obama isn't pro-weed they lose their biggest talking point to support individual states defying federal law defying the health care plan.


Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

who is "they"

Are you trying to say that Obama has to be pro-weed?

Can you point to a single pro-weed thing that Obama's said?

Literally every single time I've seen Obama take a cannabis question, he rejects the question in the most polite manner possible.
 
2012-07-14 09:40:28 PM

crab66: Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.

What is his policy?

Drugs are okay when wealthy people use them?


That's the problem. No one really knows his policies on anything. Too risky.
 
2012-07-14 09:43:20 PM

Chabash: dahmers love zombie: cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?

Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes. Now he can at least claim that he's "tough on drugs", which might get him some conservative Democrat votes. It's not like the libertarians were going to vote for him, and the people whose votes swing entirely on medical MJ aren't (probably) a very large crowd. It's a horrific political calculation, but in all likelihood its the right one for Obama. Even if it's the wrong one morally/ethically.

I feel I should mention to you, perhaps it was in error, you said rape twice.


He likes rape.
 
2012-07-14 09:43:34 PM
Oops, my mistake...that quote was about gay marriage, which he has always had the exact same stance on. Aren't there pictures of him as a college student happily experimenting with homosexuality? Anyway, it's not like he's doing the exact opposite of what he promised on the campaign trail. Honestly, what kind of honorless, pandering, hypocritical douche bag would do something like that?
 
2012-07-14 09:44:53 PM

Precision Boobery: Oops, my mistake...that quote was about gay marriage, which he has always had the exact same stance on. Aren't there pictures of him as a college student happily experimenting with homosexuality? Anyway, it's not like he's doing the exact opposite of what he promised on the campaign trail. Honestly, what kind of honorless, pandering, hypocritical douche bag would do something like that?


Every politician since the days of Ug who promised more deer and less white cold stuff.
 
2012-07-14 09:44:54 PM

Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.


Pretty much. Obama's drug policy pisses me off, badly, but the alternative is worse. I'm not stupid enough to vote for the destruction of America at the hands of the Randroids and the Teabaggers just because I like to get high.
 
2012-07-14 09:46:05 PM

wedun: Mugato: If Obama isn't pro-weed they lose their biggest talking point to support individual states defying federal law defying the health care plan.

Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

who is "they"


They would be conservatives who are against the health care plan. There are governors like Florida's who vow to defy federal law and not allow the health care plan in their state. So the retort is that Obama is allowing states to defy federal law by allowing states to have medical marijuana.
 
2012-07-14 09:53:07 PM
Harborside is being targeted because:
A) They are HUGE.
B) They had their own TV show

They're just too high profile to look the other way. When you get your own TV show and spend every episode thumbing your nose at the federal government while documenting yourself breaking federal law, you are practically forcing the feds to take action.

Its just like when dad gives you chocolate cake for dinner when mom is out working late. As long as you keep quiet about it, dad will keep doing it. But as soon as you say "but dad let's us eat chocolate cake" when mom serves up some steamed veggies, you can damn well bet dad isn't going to be giving you chocolate cake for dinner again any time soon.
 
2012-07-14 10:01:07 PM

Anenu: Chabash: dahmers love zombie: cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?

Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes. Now he can at least claim that he's "tough on drugs", which might get him some conservative Democrat votes. It's not like the libertarians were going to vote for him, and the people whose votes swing entirely on medical MJ aren't (probably) a very large crowd. It's a horrific political calculation, but in all likelihood its the right one for Obama. Even if it's the wrong one morally/ethically.

I feel I should mention to you, perhaps it was in error, you said rape twice.

He likes rape.


Honestly, who doesn't?
 
2012-07-14 10:19:16 PM

Precision Boobery: I don't know what these pot guys are on about, he made his feelings clear:



Yep. The Prez prefers coke.
 
2012-07-14 10:20:09 PM

Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.


Meh, yes. We at least have reason to believe that a sitting-duck Obama would champion legalization. Remember, this is the same guy who clearly said he would not make gay rights an issue, and then did when the politics suited him. That Obama would actually go pro-pot is pure conjecture, but we actually KNOW what Romney would do. So I agree with you.

Politician who might alter his stance > GOP.
 
2012-07-14 10:26:32 PM
Bush was basically the CEO of the Mexican drug cartels. You don't fark with his smugglers, as Ramos and Compean found out.
 
2012-07-14 10:47:36 PM
Is this a talking point like "HA HA Obama said he was going to shut down Gitmo"?
The right got what they wanted by having it stay open and yet act like it is some great coup that they prevented him from closing it down.
Like the right is going to campaign on "Obama didn't make weed legal but you can bet your sweet ass we won't either"
 
2012-07-14 11:13:35 PM

Cewley: dopers weren't getting killed needlessly in Iraq - send them first next war.


I'm not sure how well heroin addicts/tweekers will serve as a victorious military, although I'm not necessarily inclined to argue against getting rid of heroin addicts domestically and reducing the progress of the American empire abroad. I also don't see what heroin addicts have to do with patients attaining their legal medicine, or even stoners.
It's nice to know that retirement homes have internet access though.
 
2012-07-14 11:20:34 PM

Peter von Nostrand: I thought Obama was the libbiest lib that ever libbed? It's almost as if he's a center right politician....

Libs!


It's funny how the Fox News line is that Obama is the communist sleeper agent following the tactics of Machiavelli and Saul Alinsky, posing as a mere reformer or party politician with a secret leftist radical agenda. Looks more like a candidate trying to appear more liberal than he is and then usher in a very conservative imperialist agenda, using the "liberal" labeling from the far right and the acquiescence from mainstream "liberals" and the Democratic Party as a cover for being able to get away with shiat that Republicans couldn't.
Good Cop, Bad Cop is the timeless American play of Republican/Democrat "conflicts" that just complement and help each other serve the 1% with the state apparatus.
 
2012-07-14 11:20:39 PM
Pot is less addictive and less biologically harmful than both nicotine and alcohol.

/lobbyists
 
2012-07-14 11:24:39 PM

m2313: It's funny how the Fox News line is that Obama is the communist sleeper agent following the tactics of Machiavelli and Saul Alinsky, posing as a mere reformer or party politician with a secret leftist radical agenda. Looks more like a candidate trying to appear more liberal than he is and then usher in a very conservative imperialist agenda, using the "liberal" labeling from the far right and the acquiescence from mainstream "liberals" and the Democratic Party as a cover for being able to get away with shiat that Republicans couldn't.
Good Cop, Bad Cop is the timeless American play of Republican/Democrat "conflicts" that just complement and help each other serve the 1% with the state apparatus.


The most amusing part of what you said is that the average Ron Paul acolyte thinks the instant he's voted into office the 2 party system will be cured and there will be no partisan politics.
 
2012-07-14 11:29:11 PM

dahmers love zombie: Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes.


Last I checked, the Teahaddis and Republican Party had no problem with rape and a significant problem with prosecuting it or allowing rapists to accept responsibility for their crimes as opposed to those dirty sluts. They definitely don't have any problem with murder or arson.
 
2012-07-14 11:32:01 PM

Mugato: wedun: Mugato: If Obama isn't pro-weed they lose their biggest talking point to support individual states defying federal law defying the health care plan.

Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

who is "they"

They would be conservatives who are against the health care plan. There are governors like Florida's who vow to defy federal law and not allow the health care plan in their state. So the retort is that Obama is allowing states to defy federal law by allowing states to have medical marijuana.


the supreme court 7-2 said that states that opt out of the ACA aren't defying federal law.
they ruled that the part of the ACA that mandated their participation was unconstitutional.

if it is even possible, your argument about why obama being full of shiat is kosher appears to be even less based on reality than your usual horseshiat.
 
2012-07-14 11:34:23 PM

zarberg: The most amusing part of what you said is that the average Ron Paul acolyte thinks the instant he's voted into office the 2 party system will be cured and there will be no partisan politics.


He's a united. He'd unite the Republicans and Democrats in congress against him.
 
2012-07-14 11:36:24 PM
not that your string of words makes any f*cking sense even if we suppose your dumbass was correct about the law for once. wtf was that argument?

the retort is that Obama is allowing states to defy federal law by allowing states to have medical marijuana.


on what f*cking planet does this make any sense?
 
2012-07-14 11:39:18 PM
This is how he shows he is not lenient on a law only Republicans want enforced. He had to do this to keep them from focusing only on drugs during the election. That is the only answer that makes sense to me. All the other possibilities don't seem to fit.
 
2012-07-14 11:42:11 PM
More evidence pot heads are stupid. They forgot to contribute money to Obama's war chest.
 
2012-07-14 11:56:15 PM
So Obama is hard on drugs because he doesn't want to be criticized but deep down he's not really against marijuana. But he must be better than Romney even though the last Republican president was pretty lenient on marijuana enforcement. Gotta love political logic
 
2012-07-15 12:11:50 AM
They expect better out of Romney? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2012-07-15 12:40:13 AM
Bush appointed Mary Beth Buchanan to be a U.S. Attorney. Her first accomplishment was the heroic entrapment of Tommy Chong's son for selling glass pipes and bongs across state lines, an operation that cost $12 million of taxpayer money, and was clearly approved by her bosses Ashcroft and Gonzales.

Tommy Chong went to prison on a deal that would keep his family from doing the same. Later, Buchanan was quoted as saying that her only regret was accepting the plea deal. She wanted that heinous villain and his family to do more time. For selling glass that could be used to smoke a harmless plant.

Don't get me wrong, Obama is way off track on this shiat as well, but pretending that Bush was good for cannabis culture... well you'd had to have smoked quite a few dank blunts to reach a conclusion that ridiculous
 
2012-07-15 12:55:20 AM

dahmers love zombie: cman: Refresh my memory, please.

Didn't Obama campaign on stopping this, or at least slowing this down?

Yeah, but let's be honest -- if he told the DoJ to lighten up, the Teahaddis would find every crime in every state that could POSSIBLY have involved medical marijuana, and claimed that Obonghit was causing rapes, murders, arsons and rapes. Now he can at least claim that he's "tough on drugs", which might get him some conservative Democrat votes. It's not like the libertarians were going to vote for him, and the people whose votes swing entirely on medical MJ aren't (probably) a very large crowd. It's a horrific political calculation, but in all likelihood its the right one for Obama. Even if it's the wrong one morally/ethically.


So... Obama had to lie about how he was going to treat medical marijuana on the federal level because he was scared about what the Tea Party might have done, even though they didn't exist as a political organization when he was inaugurated?

Do I have that about right?
 
2012-07-15 01:24:07 AM
The stupidity in this thread is four feet thick.
 
2012-07-15 02:13:47 AM

Anenu: Precision Boobery: Oops, my mistake...that quote was about gay marriage, which he has always had the exact same stance on. Aren't there pictures of him as a college student happily experimenting with homosexuality? Anyway, it's not like he's doing the exact opposite of what he promised on the campaign trail. Honestly, what kind of honorless, pandering, hypocritical douche bag would do something like that?

Every politician since the days of Ug who promised more deer and less white cold stuff.


But Ug was in the pocketbook of Big Fire, so the cave people have a reason to distrust him.
 
2012-07-15 02:29:31 AM

Altair: Shame on Obama for this but I'd rather see what he does the next four years than Romney's drug policy.


That is a fair point, but three years ago I would have expected Obama's future opponent to create the anti-drug platform to counter Obama's lax enforcement of federal drug laws. Unfortunately Obama pretty well took his opponent's job from him in this regard.

So I guess either way we are f*cked and still stuck dealing with a nasty drug war we don't want.
 
2012-07-15 03:06:56 AM

relcec:
the retort is that Obama is allowing states to defy federal law by allowing states to have medical marijuana.

on what f*cking planet does this make any sense?


That makes a fair amount of sense, actually.

Marijuana is illegal under Federal law, regardless of any state-level "medical marijuana" rules. There is no exception under Federal law for medical uses of marijuana. Marijuana is illegal, the end.

So for a state to pass any law purporting to make marijuana legal, medically or otherwise, is directly in contravention of Federal law. A "definance," if you would.

And by not enforcing Federal drug laws against, say, Bay-area dispensaries, Obama (and Bush before him) are permitting California to defy Federal law.

Not a horrible argument.
 
2012-07-15 06:14:54 AM

zarberg: m2313: It's funny how the Fox News line is that Obama is the communist sleeper agent following the tactics of Machiavelli and Saul Alinsky, posing as a mere reformer or party politician with a secret leftist radical agenda. Looks more like a candidate trying to appear more liberal than he is and then usher in a very conservative imperialist agenda, using the "liberal" labeling from the far right and the acquiescence from mainstream "liberals" and the Democratic Party as a cover for being able to get away with shiat that Republicans couldn't.
Good Cop, Bad Cop is the timeless American play of Republican/Democrat "conflicts" that just complement and help each other serve the 1% with the state apparatus.

The most amusing part of what you said is that the average Ron Paul acolyte thinks the instant he's voted into office the 2 party system will be cured and there will be no partisan politics.


And that he would immediately legalize weed.
 
2012-07-15 08:45:40 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Anenu: Precision Boobery: Oops, my mistake...that quote was about gay marriage, which he has always had the exact same stance on. Aren't there pictures of him as a college student happily experimenting with homosexuality? Anyway, it's not like he's doing the exact opposite of what he promised on the campaign trail. Honestly, what kind of honorless, pandering, hypocritical douche bag would do something like that?

Every politician since the days of Ug who promised more deer and less white cold stuff.

But Ug was in the pocketbook of Big Fire, so the cave people have a reason to distrust him.


I wish I could smart/funny from the mobile website. So, this will have to do.
 
2012-07-15 08:51:21 AM
FTA: "Harborside Health Center estimates that it serves over 100,000 members."

No kidding! So roughly one out of every, what, fifteen or twenty adults in the East Bay suffers from some kind of malady that can only be mitigated by medical cannabis?

Gosh, that's a lot of sick people for a metropolitan area that size. Maybe someone ought to run a check on the local air and water to see what's causing all the health problems.

Or could it be that some of Harborside Health Center's patients are playing a dirty trick on the scrupulously law abiding management and coming into the center with prescriptions for medical weed that aren't always on the up and up? I mean, with 100,000 patients and a staff of 100 people, I wouldn't expect that the Center has the resources to investigate every prescription that is brought to it.

There's a third possibility, I suppose, which is that the Center is and always has been a
large scale distributor of recreational weed that dispenses medical weed to a small number of patients as a cover. Right now in California, according to the article I linked, *only primary caregivers* can legally dispense medical marijuana. The Center isn't one.

Look, I frankly don't give a sh*t if you smoke weed, and I'm all for decriminalizing possession of small amounts of it. But for f**k's sake don't try to make me believe that these "clinics" have any more to do with "medicine" than the stuff Granny Clampett used to drink to cure her rheumatism.
 
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