ps69: This issue would have been kept at a low murmur if Mittens hadn't tried to come out swinging with his indignant "how dare he!" response. Bad move Willard.

That's the problem with CEOs that try to run for office. Most of them have spent so many years surrounding themselves with yes-men, they get personally offended anytime anyone says anything to challenge them.

DeltaPunch: What's amazing is that there's a goldmine of stuff to use against him. Forget not being liberal, not having the right ideas, etc... there's a ton of stuff you could use against him for not being conservative enough. Plus the lying and flip-flopping (Paulites hate that crap, since a lot of them are fed up all "lying politicians") -- it really makes me wonder if Obama's camp will gently remind conservatives about how bad Romney is for them before the convention...

I think of it a little like a football offense at work. If the defense is soft at a certain position, or they don't have an answer for a certain play, they're going to keep on using it until there's a stop. Bain's sank a Romney campaign before, so the Obama camp is going to keep hitting him at that weak spot so long as it keeps getting traction. But if it does stop working, like you say, there's plenty of other angles to attack from.

The key, I think, is that they're going to define Romney to voters before he has a chance to define himself, continually keeping him on the defensive in the process - a bit like a redo of the ill-fated Kerry campaign.

adjective: Corvus: BigOle8point: BO is a straight dickbag. Hope and change you promised. And instead of working you choose slander? Fark you. Im tired of you, tired of nazi joe up there yelling like some hitler wannabe. You've got your fame... move on please

Actually he passed some of the biggest legislation in history. The Stimulus program that moved this country from losing jobs to gaining jobs and the biggest healthcare reform since medicare.

Slander? What he said wrong? Romney doesn't have these off shore accounts? Romney admits he has these accounts!! Are you then saying Romney and his tax form is lying?

Can't you just hit the Poe's Law "Funny" button and move on like I did? If ignored, a comment is either Stupid or Funny, and no else one will have to waste brain cells knowing or caring about it beyond that!

nope. I looked at it as a good excuse to be able to highlight to others the positives of the Obama administration. Why should I let a good opportunity like that pass me by?

bugontherug: Corvus: bugontherug: "Oooh. You're not supposed to say mean things in a presidential election. It's not fair!"
~~Willard Mitt Romney, commenting on Obama ads calling him to question as a vulture capitalist, possible felon, and definite liar.

Actually Obama's position is that he did NOT commit a felony, Romney's position seems to be that he DID.

Sure. The point is that logic traps him into admitting one or the other. He is "impaled on the horns of a dilemma." He tried to respond by kicking dust in the bull's eyes, but that doesn't seem to have worked. He's stuck.

Right so he is going with the "You poor people are too stupid to understand that rich people like me don't actually need to follow the rules". Which that's going to go over well.

HeartBurnKid: You know, I'd point out how tone-deaf it was for the Republicans to nominate Romney at this point in history (seriously, there are people out on Wall Street and in every major city protesting the very cloth that Romney is cut from on a daily basis), but the sad truth is, he's one of the better candidates they had to choose from. Though I do think Huntsman or Johnson would have been a better choice, still.

Better candidates, possibly, but consider that the powers that be in the GOP may well have calculated that no one was gonna unseat Obama and that the real race was going to be in 2016. We may be witnessing the ritual gutting of the sacrificial lamb. By turning much of the primary process over to the Teahardists, the GOP elites may hope to silence them in coming years after their 'failure.'

BigOle8point: nazi joe

Welp, that's Godwin, everyone. Pack it in, time to go home.

hubiestubert: ariseatex: BigOle8point: BO is a straight dickbag....Im tired of you, tired of nazi joe up there yelling like some hitler wannabe.

So you hate both Obama and Arpaio? Who do you like?

TEAM DISTRACT THE THREAD! TEAM DERAIL THE THREAD! TEAM DERAIL ALL THE THINGS!

It's easier than trying to actually defend the guy. Especially on a Saturday night before the talking heads give folks talking points...

True, and I'm giving in by responding. But hey, it's Saturday night, and I'm stuck at home, so what else is there to do but respond to trollbait?

/their trolling is more effective than their campaigning
//says more about them than us suckers who respond to the trolls
///slashies come in threes

bobbette: That's the stunning hubris of this. Romney has been planning to run for office for decades, probably. His first Senate race was in 1994. 1994! He is an ambitious man. And yet, he thinks he can forgo the normal tests and obligations of running for office. With enough obfuscation and lying, he thinks, it'll be fine. I don't use the word lying lightly, but it is the only word that accurately describes his statements about his professional life and policy positions.

He's trapped in lies, and unnecessary ones, avoidable ones that a normal man of ambition (one grounded in reality and with a lick of foresight) would have indeed avoided. I am not sure if this is just contempt for America and the media (assuming they'll buy anything he says), or if the crucial thing that explains his behaviour is that he thinks he is not subject to the same rules as everybody else.

Have you ever meet someone who comes from a rich family and was handed everything to him his entire life? They lie and they are usually surrounded by people who will ignore that they are being lied to and kiss ass. This is totally Romney.

Corvus: adjective: Corvus: BigOle8point: BO is a straight dickbag. Hope and change you promised. And instead of working you choose slander? Fark you. Im tired of you, tired of nazi joe up there yelling like some hitler wannabe. You've got your fame... move on please

Actually he passed some of the biggest legislation in history. The Stimulus program that moved this country from losing jobs to gaining jobs and the biggest healthcare reform since medicare.

Slander? What he said wrong? Romney doesn't have these off shore accounts? Romney admits he has these accounts!! Are you then saying Romney and his tax form is lying?

Can't you just hit the Poe's Law "Funny" button and move on like I did? If ignored, a comment is either Stupid or Funny, and no else one will have to waste brain cells knowing or caring about it beyond that!

nope. I looked at it as a good excuse to be able to highlight to others the positives of the Obama administration. Why should I let a good opportunity like that pass me by?

You're a great poster; I have you labeled "ruthless" for a reason. I just felt the conversation could stick to Mitt Romney undisputed liar, possible felon.

bugontherug: Corvus: bugontherug: Corvus: bugontherug: "Oooh. You're not supposed to say mean things in a presidential election. It's not fair!"
~~Willard Mitt Romney, commenting on Obama ads calling him to question as a vulture capitalist, possible felon, and definite liar.

Actually Obama's position is that he did NOT commit a felony, Romney's position seems to be that he DID.

Sure. The point is that logic traps him into admitting one or the other. He is "impaled on the horns of a dilemma." He tried to respond by kicking dust in the bull's eyes, but that doesn't seem to have worked. He's stuck.

Right so he is going with the "You poor people are too stupid to understand that rich people like me don't actually need to follow the rules". Which that's going to go over well.

Yup. It's natural he'd go with that defense though. It's who he really is.

From an NPR article on this. "Well, I was the owner of an entity that is filing that information, but I had no role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February of 1999," he told CNN. "Not that that would have been a problem to have said that I was with the firm beyond that, but I simply wasn't."

"Well I owned Bain, but I had NOTHING TO DO WITH BAIN."

ariseatex: True, and I'm giving in by responding. But hey, it's Saturday night, and I'm stuck at home, so what else is there to do but respond to trollbait?

Well, there is a Steam sale going on...

/waiting for games to download

Wow, love him or hate him, Obama's PR guys sure brought their A-game. Romney's ads don't make him look like he brought a knife to a gunfight... in comparison to this, they make it seem like he brought a pair of hooty-owl safety scissors to at thermonuclear war.

stoli n coke: There must be something catastrophic on his tax returns that the White House already knows. That's the only explanation for Romney flailing around so much to keep from releasing them.

Did he not think this was going to come up if he ran in 2008? Then again, you had Edwards shagging Moonflower on the other side and thinking it wouldn't ever come out, so maybe.

BigOle8point: BO is a straight dickbag. Hope and change you promised. And instead of working you choose slander? Fark you. Im tired of you, tired of nazi joe up there yelling like some hitler wannabe. You've got your fame... move on please

0/10 Either bring a good game or take your lumps & stfu

cannibalparrot: runaway06: Whats with the crazy troll-alt paranoia?

I think it goes something like this: "Pay attention to MEEEEEEEE!"

/at least, that's how I'm reading it.

...GD?

ox45tallboy: czetie: I'm about four or five ahead of the game at this point.

The Paultards will not go gently, and if Romney's getting burned in the polls or has something like this or even worse hanging over him along about convention time, other delegates pledged to Romney, but not necessary Paul supporters, may not want to vote for him.

The Republicans have repeated the "We must defeat Obama at all costs" so much that their own base now believes it, and they're going to rebel against putting up a candidate that has no real chance.

So, you think Ron Paul actually has a real chance of winning? Come on. You have a better chance of winning the general than Ron Paul.

Mentat: [img97.imageshack.us image 453x329]

Anyone know whatever happened with that guy? He still work there?

CptnSpldng: HeartBurnKid: You know, I'd point out how tone-deaf it was for the Republicans to nominate Romney at this point in history (seriously, there are people out on Wall Street and in every major city protesting the very cloth that Romney is cut from on a daily basis), but the sad truth is, he's one of the better candidates they had to choose from. Though I do think Huntsman or Johnson would have been a better choice, still.

Better candidates, possibly, but consider that the powers that be in the GOP may well have calculated that no one was gonna unseat Obama and that the real race was going to be in 2016. We may be witnessing the ritual gutting of the sacrificial lamb. By turning much of the primary process over to the Teahardists, the GOP elites may hope to silence them in coming years after their 'failure.'

Very likely true, I think.

I hope the election goes something like this:

Romney gets beat and destroyed before the RNC, where he gets dropped from the ticket. RON PAUL gets the nomination in all the chaos due to his strong, yet ignorant support base. RON PAUL gets creamed by Obama during the debates where all the Paultards are forced to hear and understand RON PAUL's positions for the first time, really. Obama wins 2012 easily. Critical thinking becomes popular again.

Come 2016, the Tea Party and their kind are mostly laughed away, considered fringe and unsafe for American politics. If this is the case I can see either the GOP completely crumbling to be replaced by a different party (less likely) or rallying behind more moderate conservative politicians and engaging in real discussion. Perhaps we can shift to being a real progressive country again.

A man can dream.

lemurs: The key, I think, is that they're going to define Romney to voters before he has a chance to define himself, continually keeping him on the defensive in the process - a bit like a redo of the ill-fated Kerry campaign.

Exactly. I'm surprised we haven't heard more emphasis on Romney's flip-flopping by this point -- it seems like that would be something they'd want to use earlier in the game to define him. The only catch is that he's flipped to conservative stances, so e.g. a single-issue pro-life voter a) won't care about other issues and b) won't have any problems with the fact that Romney NOW wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, regardless of his previous stance.

And Paulites are huge on consistency (nobody disputes that Ron Paul isn't consistent). So I wonder if they'll hit the flip-flopper angle sooner or later...

Thanks for the link. Responding to the video, it seems to me that it presents Romney as a greedy asshole, although pretending to love America, will do anything for his own wealth.

I hope his teeth rot in his mouth

hubiestubert: CptnSpldng: HeartBurnKid: You know, I'd point out how tone-deaf it was for the Republicans to nominate Romney at this point in history (seriously, there are people out on Wall Street and in every major city protesting the very cloth that Romney is cut from on a daily basis), but the sad truth is, he's one of the better candidates they had to choose from. Though I do think Huntsman or Johnson would have been a better choice, still.

Better candidates, possibly, but consider that the powers that be in the GOP may well have calculated that no one was gonna unseat Obama and that the real race was going to be in 2016. We may be witnessing the ritual gutting of the sacrificial lamb. By turning much of the primary process over to the Teahardists, the GOP elites may hope to silence them in coming years after their 'failure.'

But Bob Dole handled the position with some class. Of course, he had to deal with Newt then, but before Newt went entirely off the rails...

Bob Dole = some class, nail on the head, hubie. Another example of why I have you blue-lit as intelligent.

propasaurus: 'I owned the car and was in the driver's seat when it crashed, and I collected the insurance payout, but I was NOT driving!'

"It's technically true, because I let go of the steering wheel!"

ox45tallboy: If enough people at the convention realize that Romney stands no real chance at winning, they will probably move on

Um, how about no there. For at least one big reason... Utah. While Mormons are only a couple percent of the nation, they're overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly vote, and have a lot of kids. Unceremoniously boot the great Mormon hope, and the reddest state in the nation becomes at least a swing state for the next 20 years.

When was the last time the presumed party nominee failed to earn the nomination at their party convention?

adjective: CptnSpldng: Better candidates, possibly, but consider that the powers that be in the GOP may well have calculated that no one was gonna unseat Obama and that the real race was going to be in 2016. We may be witnessing the ritual gutting of the sacrificial lamb. By turning much of the primary process over to the Teahardists, the GOP elites may hope to silence them in coming years after their 'failure.'

Very likely true, I think.

Wishful thinking, gents. The Teatards ARE the new GOP, just as Newt and the Neoconservatives were in their day. The ONLY thing that's coming out of Mitt's defeat this fall is that the Teatards will proclaim that he wasn't conservative enough, and that they need a Real Conservative^TM in 2016 to defeat whomever the Democrats nominate.

Which may well be Cuomo versus Santorum... :^)

/been drinking so this may make less sense than usual...

Lawnchair: ox45tallboy: If enough people at the convention realize that Romney stands no real chance at winning, they will probably move on

Um, how about no there. For at least one big reason... Utah. While Mormons are only a couple percent of the nation, they're overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly vote, and have a lot of kids. Unceremoniously boot the great Mormon hope, and the reddest state in the nation becomes at least a swing state for the next 20 years.

Are you high? I mean, Mitt losing the nomination is basically impossible. But are you seriously suggesting that in a fit of pique the Mormons would start voting Democratic?

PsychoTherapist: Are you high? I mean, Mitt losing the nomination is basically impossible. But are you seriously suggesting that in a fit of pique the Mormons would start voting Democratic?

I'm not sure. Depending on how the Justice Department and the District Courts play this, Romney could be in quite a bit of trouble.

StoneColdAtheist:

Which may well be Cuomo versus Santorum... :^)

/been drinking so this may make less sense than usual...

From your keyboard to God's ear.

If for whatever reason Mitt had to drop out or the GOP convention choose to vote someone else as their nominee, the entire campaign for President would be over from all the insane communication problems from then on out

Lawnchair: ox45tallboy: If enough people at the convention realize that Romney stands no real chance at winning, they will probably move on

Um, how about no there. For at least one big reason... Utah. While Mormons are only a couple percent of the nation, they're overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly vote, and have a lot of kids. Unceremoniously boot the great Mormon hope, and the reddest state in the nation becomes at least a swing state for the next 20 years.

6 electoral votes. 6.

It sort of reminds me of the "What If" question I've heard before and asked recently when this Romney lie happened... "What if John Edwards has gotten the nomination"

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: Lawnchair: ox45tallboy: If enough people at the convention realize that Romney stands no real chance at winning, they will probably move on

Um, how about no there. For at least one big reason... Utah. While Mormons are only a couple percent of the nation, they're overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly vote, and have a lot of kids. Unceremoniously boot the great Mormon hope, and the reddest state in the nation becomes at least a swing state for the next 20 years.

6 electoral votes. 6.

In Lawnchair's defense, look at how much sway those guys have in California. They keep electing Republican Governors, and they voted down gay marriage.

I don't think Mormons would start voting for Democrats just because of Romney-dumping. They are a bit too conservative.

Sabyen91: ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: Lawnchair: ox45tallboy: If enough people at the convention realize that Romney stands no real chance at winning, they will probably move on

Um, how about no there. For at least one big reason... Utah. While Mormons are only a couple percent of the nation, they're overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly vote, and have a lot of kids. Unceremoniously boot the great Mormon hope, and the reddest state in the nation becomes at least a swing state for the next 20 years.

6 electoral votes. 6.

In Lawnchair's defense, look at how much sway those guys have in California. They keep electing Republican Governors, and they voted down gay marriage.

I don't think Mormons would start voting for Democrats just because of Romney-dumping. They are a bit too conservative.

Tell that to the Mormon boy I lost my gay virginity to in high school. He was gorgeous. So good looking, even straight guys wanted to blow him. Now he's a doctor, married to a gorgeous woman with two gorgeous children.

Well, he wasn't so conservative THEN.