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(The Daily Beast)   Political denialists pressure University of Texas to fire scientist guilty of researching inconvenient truths   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
    More: Scary, Mark Regnerus, LGBT parenting, University of Texas, LGBT, social scientists, Christianity Today, Olds College, Calvin College  
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2012-07-14 11:36:26 AM  
7 votes:
a closer look at the study's limited scope, not to mention its obvious methodological weaknesses, suggests it won't move the debate on gay parenthood very much.

Of course it will. Those fundie farktards will use it like there's no farkigng tomorrow and they'll be the ones screaming loudest. No one cares about statistically valid samples and science. they care that some guy with letters after his name said what they want to hear. The. End.

And Christians wonder why so very many of us think of all of them as a bunch of semi-literate f*ckwits.
JMT
2012-07-14 11:40:08 AM  
6 votes:
Observation: In the 50s, children of white parents had better lives than children of black parents.

Conclusion: White people make better parents.
2012-07-14 09:50:58 AM  
4 votes:
This is from last month. His study supposes populations can be extrapolated from a sample of 60-something people.

It's statistical bullshiat.
2012-07-14 10:37:00 AM  
3 votes:
The project was led by Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas known for attention-grabbing research that sometimes seems to tack along the narratives of social conservatives seeking to roll back the sexual revolution. A former professor at the evangelical Calvin College, Regnerus wrote a cover story for Christianity Today arguing that Christians should encourage their children to marry young; he also wrote a piece for Slate arguing that the sexual revolution has produced bitter fruit for women. (Both were based on research published in his books.) Regnerus's same-sex-parenting study was funded, at a price tag of three-quarters of a million dollars-an enormous sum in social science-by two socially conservative groups: the Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation.

Seems legit.
2012-07-14 12:22:03 PM  
2 votes:
In questionnaires filled out between 1971 and 1994, the study asked 15,000 18- to 49-year-olds if either of their parents had ever been in a same-sex relationship.

Holy-old-data Batman! This type of survey at this point in time is going to uncover a lot of gay individuals who were likely also in a STRAIGHT marriage (because of kids) and because the kids KNEW about the gay relationship it is likely a family impacted by a divorce. Add in the fact that life kind of sucked for gay in the 70s/80s, so I imagine their children were likely to have a hard time. Probably got a lot of kids whose parent died of HIV too. Terrible study!
2012-07-14 11:40:18 AM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: a closer look at the study's limited scope, not to mention its obvious methodological weaknesses, suggests it won't move the debate on gay parenthood very much.

Of course it will. Those fundie farktards will use it like there's no farkigng tomorrow and they'll be the ones screaming loudest. No one cares about statistically valid samples and science. they care that some guy with letters after his name said what they want to hear. The. End.

And Christians wonder why so very many of us think of all of them as a bunch of semi-literate f*ckwits.


The Justification Machine has been working overtime these last several years. The Bush years sent it over the edge, and it has been chugging away merrily to hand dollars over to folks who provide "scholarship" that fits narrative.

This is nothing new. It's just another iteration of scholars for hire to provide ammunition for pet causes, and the sad thing about it isn't that it's bad science, but that it will be endlessly quoted as "real" science.
2012-07-14 11:39:33 AM  
2 votes:
About the only way to do a real study of whether or not gay couples raising kids comes out to be any better or worse than straight couples raising kids will be when the following happens:

1) those couples have equal marriage/family creating/legal rights
2) society evolves enough that the kids won't face constant hell from "pro-family" folks.

Then, begin your studies from that starting point (obviously, not waiting for a perfect starting point on #2 as humanity sucks and we still have the KKK and Nazis...we won't get to a perfect point there ever) with children who started out in such stable, two person (gay or straight) households (rather than what you have involving a gay parent now most frequently in current society which where because of bigotry from "pro-family" folks gay people ended up in a sham marriage, had children, finally got out of sham marriage, and largely thanks to "pro-family" folks ended up in a "broken home").

You might start to get a worthwhile study at that point.
2012-07-14 11:34:36 AM  
2 votes:
Ctrl+F "fire"

0 of 0
2012-07-14 11:33:09 AM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: The project was led by Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas known for attention-grabbing research that sometimes seems to tack along the narratives of social conservatives seeking to roll back the sexual revolution. A former professor at the evangelical Calvin College, Regnerus wrote a cover story for Christianity Today arguing that Christians should encourage their children to marry young; he also wrote a piece for Slate arguing that the sexual revolution has produced bitter fruit for women. (Both were based on research published in his books.) Regnerus's same-sex-parenting study was funded, at a price tag of three-quarters of a million dollars-an enormous sum in social science-by two socially conservative groups: the Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation.

Seems legit.


How did the department chair and the dean even hire this guy?
2012-07-14 11:32:41 AM  
2 votes:
Best scholarship that money can buy.

When all else fails, pay for a study that you can skew...
2012-07-14 09:52:05 AM  
2 votes:
Why would we want scientists to teach actual science when they can teach pseudoscience?
2012-07-15 10:34:51 AM  
1 vote:

Tiber727: Benevolent Misanthrope: a closer look at the study's limited scope, not to mention its obvious methodological weaknesses, suggests it won't move the debate on gay parenthood very much.

Of course it will. Those fundie farktards will use it like there's no farkigng tomorrow and they'll be the ones screaming loudest. No one cares about statistically valid samples and science. they care that some guy with letters after his name said what they want to hear. The. End.

And Christians wonder why so very many of us think of all of them as a bunch of semi-literate f*ckwits.

Many of these same people will claim that scientists studying climate change are lying or distorting the truth in order to get funding. I want to hear what kind of excuses they'll come up with if you apply that logic to this guy.


"Bad Science" is not limited to any one side of the political spectrum.
2012-07-14 03:30:19 PM  
1 vote:

mark12A: Oh noes!! University researcher is committing thoughtcrime! Doubleplus Ungood!!! Schedule Hate Rally immediately!

Gay marriage is a bad idea. It degrades the social institution responsible for producing quality replacement citizens down to the status of a mere social living arrangement.

Sadly, the damage will only become apparent after a generation or two of widespread gay marriage. At which point society will be heavily damaged because a small elite of properly raised and socialized citizens will dominate society, and the broken offspring of dysfunctional social living arrangements will comprise the emerging peasant class.

And no, this has NOTHING to do with homophobia. It's about recklessly screwing around with a social construct that has worked well for generations.

Civil Unions are good enough. Stop trying to leech off of the prestige of the institution of Marriage. It's already getting hard enough to encourage young people to commit the time and resources to forming a stable productive Marriage. We, as a society, NEED their quality offspring.


You sound concerned.
2012-07-14 12:55:30 PM  
1 vote:

mark12A: Oh noes!! University researcher is committing thoughtcrime! Doubleplus Ungood!!! Schedule Hate Rally immediately!

Gay marriage is a bad idea. It degrades the social institution responsible for producing quality replacement citizens down to the status of a mere social living arrangement.

Sadly, the damage will only become apparent after a generation or two of widespread gay marriage. At which point society will be heavily damaged because a small elite of properly raised and socialized citizens will dominate society, and the broken offspring of dysfunctional social living arrangements will comprise the emerging peasant class.

And no, this has NOTHING to do with homophobia. It's about recklessly screwing around with a social construct that has worked well for generations.

Civil Unions are good enough. Stop trying to leech off of the prestige of the institution of Marriage. It's already getting hard enough to encourage young people to commit the time and resources to forming a stable productive Marriage. We, as a society, NEED their quality offspring.


Herp a derp a hurr durrrrrr! Somebody didn't read the article and has no understanding of the scientific method. Unfortunately you still form opinions and speak them publicly. How embarrassing for you.
2012-07-14 12:48:40 PM  
1 vote:
Mark12A is doing nothing to dispel my negative opinion about people who insist on riding their bicycles on the sidewalks. He defends riding on the sidewalk in all threads related to bicycling. Lately he's been attacking gay marriage in any thread about gays. Both of these opinions are wrong and stupid.
2012-07-14 12:43:21 PM  
1 vote:

mark12A: At which point society will be heavily damaged because a small elite of properly raised and socialized citizens will dominate society, and the broken offspring of dysfunctional social living arrangements will comprise the emerging peasant class.


But enough about the Republican economic strategy, we should get back to talking about gay marriage.
2012-07-14 12:18:05 PM  
1 vote:
If I tried to get my supervisors to submit that kind of methodologically sloppy bullsh*t for publication, they'd fire my ass without question. I'm in the social sciences, and the projects I'm a part of spend months trying to design a study and sometimes years collecting and analyzing data in the most rigorous and justifiable way possible. This kind of stuff, though, is just goofy.

But, hey, it's a great lesson in the flaws of the peer-review process and I would recommend this study to undergraduate Research Methods professors as a way to make salient topics like methodological rigor, appropriate statistical analysis, interpretation of results, and, more importantly, that you cannot trust a study simply because it got published; you need to read through it and critically evaluate every journal article you read.
2012-07-14 12:15:08 PM  
1 vote:
There is nothing wrong with doing objective science, ever. If a thorough and well-thought study ever did come out that suggested children of gay partnerships were at a disadvantage, then that would be a fact we would have to deal with. It still wouldn't justify rolling back gay rights, but perhaps it would be something we would need to show compensatory awareness toward.

This study, however, is horribly flawed, unless the article is unjustly describing it. It's pretty damning to only compare broken gay homes with nuclear families with the biological parents still married. How often does that happen these days? 40% of the time? I promise you, even if children of gay partnerships aren't as advantaged as children of married hetero couples, they are definitely better off than children of single parents.
2012-07-14 12:03:54 PM  
1 vote:

UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: The project was led by Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas known for attention-grabbing research that sometimes seems to tack along the narratives of social conservatives seeking to roll back the sexual revolution. A former professor at the evangelical Calvin College, Regnerus wrote a cover story for Christianity Today arguing that Christians should encourage their children to marry young; he also wrote a piece for Slate arguing that the sexual revolution has produced bitter fruit for women. (Both were based on research published in his books.) Regnerus's same-sex-parenting study was funded, at a price tag of three-quarters of a million dollars-an enormous sum in social science-by two socially conservative groups: the Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation.

Seems legit.

How did the department chair and the dean even hire this guy?


University of Texas. Hello.
2012-07-14 11:45:55 AM  
1 vote:
Whoa! Will Wheaton got gay married?
2012-07-14 11:43:49 AM  
1 vote:
Really if the nimrods protesting the article or most of the dimwits here read it the point he makes in the research is this: stable parents and families are > than unstable parents and families. The reason gay parents are "worse" in the study is that they tend to be more unstable in relationships but a lot of that has nothing to do with their being gay. He even suggests that this research might make a case FOR gay marriage. His methodology isn't off the nut in fact if you compare what he did with most of the current gay/straight parent literature it is a massive step forward. The sound bite from the research is a lot more "provacative" than the actual conclusions.

/Atheist
//Pro Gay Marriage
///Pro actually reading scholarship not reading incompetent summaries by fools
2012-07-14 09:40:10 AM  
1 vote:
Al Gore has actual data. This guy can't even find a statistically significant sample.
 
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