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2012-07-14 11:35:18 AM  
People not buying shiat products is somehow news now?

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2012-07-14 11:40:56 AM  
It's way too soon those things are still around $1000 bucks. AMD powered ones won't be out till later @ around $600 Link
 
2012-07-14 11:41:02 AM  
Don't know why sales aren't better for PC ultrabooks. My wife has a Toshiba Portege Z835 and it's pretty awesome. Much faster and cooler (temperature wise) than any of her previous ones.
 
2012-07-14 11:51:13 AM  
That headline is confusing.
 
2012-07-14 11:53:44 AM  
Subby has no idea what he's talking about. Eventually ultrabooks will replace regular laptops altogether. They just need to come down in price a bit.

/ when all thing are equal, why would you buy the one that weighs two to three times more?
 
2012-07-14 12:03:15 PM  
That's probably a reasonable number because there are hundreds of millions of notebook computers in use world wide. With that big of an market, it takes a while before any new products make up a significant share, even if they sell well.
 
2012-07-14 12:03:26 PM  
I have been hoping that the Ultrabooks would would drive down the price of some of the "near" Ultrabooks, but it hasn't seemed to happen. Looking at 2nd gen i5 13.3 or maybe 14, but they are all still over $600, but getting closer. Seeing occasional $550 - $580 with rebates.
 
2012-07-14 12:22:25 PM  
We're not looking for thinner laptops. We're long past the days of 5-inch thick laptops. We're looking for thinner prices.
 
2012-07-14 12:37:28 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It's way too soon those things are still around $1000 bucks. AMD powered ones won't be out till later @ around $600 Link


Prices are dropping and while I would accept an AMD powered one, I will never buy another HP laptop. I have had nothing but problems with HP products especially laptops and their customer service is about the worst I have ever dealt with. Up until recently I also made the purchasing decisions for my former company (I retired) and we went with Dell for almost everything. Price was about the same and on a corporate account service is much better with Dell then HP.
 
2012-07-14 01:00:46 PM  

British: We're not looking for thinner laptops. We're long past the days of 5-inch thick laptops. We're looking for thinner prices.


A whole lot of this. I feel like most portable electronics (laptops, phones, iPads) are as small as they should ever be.

Shrink the insides, make it lighter and cheaper, but keep the damn things big enough so that they actually fit in my hand. I am also really tired of the "We can't fit a full size USB drive because of the slim form factor" bullshiat.
 
2012-07-14 01:01:12 PM  
I've been thinking about getting a Samsung Series 9 ultrabook because it looks really cool and seems to be both light & powerful, but I'm unsure because (1) windows 8 is coming out in 3 months and I'm wondering if there will be even better laptops released with that, and (2) it's so thin that I'd have to carry around separate adapters like mini-hdmi to VGA in order to use it with meeting room projectors.
 
2012-07-14 01:14:03 PM  
Not gonna pay 300 more dollars to remove 0.1 inches. Don't care about it now, won't care about it in the future. Those extra 6 ounces aren't going to break me, either. If I were truly incapable of carrying such gargantuan dimensions, I'd buy a Mac.
 
2012-07-14 01:32:24 PM  

RogermcAllen: British: We're not looking for thinner laptops. We're long past the days of 5-inch thick laptops. We're looking for thinner prices.

A whole lot of this. I feel like most portable electronics (laptops, phones, iPads) are as small as they should ever be.

Shrink the insides, make it lighter and cheaper, but keep the damn things big enough so that they actually fit in my hand. I am also really tired of the "We can't fit a full size USB drive because of the slim form factor" bullshiat.


They tried this with Netbooks, no? They've basically given that up, much to my chagrin. I need to replace my 10' Dell with something comparable.
 
2012-07-14 01:34:15 PM  
Ultrabooks need to hit tablet prices. Basically you have:

Tablet (mobile OS):
Lots of apps from a store, good battery life but letter computing power

Ultrabook (desktop OS):
No app store(yet), but access to Windows native apps. Some run better than others on the multitouch environment. Lesser battery life, but that's because you have a big old i5 or something chugging away under the hood.

I want a Windows ultrabook. Load my older games up onto it and play them on my Detroit to Shanghai flights. Alpha Centauri, Hearts of Iron, Deus Ex, etc. However I'm only willing to pay about the high end iPad price for one. At the current ultrabook price point I'll buy a nicely equipped laptop, some extras, and still have a few hundred bucks in my pocket. The fact it has a hinged screen doesn't bother me that much.
 
2012-07-14 01:46:56 PM  
Tourney3p0: Not gonna pay 300 more dollars to remove 0.1 inches. Don't care about it now, won't care about it in the future. Those extra 6 ounces aren't going to break me, either. If I were truly incapable of carrying such gargantuan dimensions, I'd buy a Mac.

1) Take the internal components of an ultra book.

2) Insert components into a standard laptop frame, with a standard sized battery and standard ports.

3) Since you have all of this extra space in the frame, make the battery bigger, add some ports, and if it's not too much of a bother, let this sucker go up to 16 GB of ram.

4) Take my money (as I will now (hopefully) have a laptop that will last through my crazy work schedule)

// If anyone is looking for me, try checking the lawn outside the building.
 
2012-07-14 01:50:36 PM  

skazzytl: I've been thinking about getting a Samsung Series 9 ultrabook because it looks really cool and seems to be both light & powerful, but I'm unsure because (1) windows 8 is coming out in 3 months and I'm wondering if there will be even better laptops released with that, and (2) it's so thin that I'd have to carry around separate adapters like mini-hdmi to VGA in order to use it with meeting room projectors.


1) Windows 8 sucks. So if you have a rollback copy of Windows 7, use that instead.
2) Figure on adding in $100 to your budget and then always losing the stupid things (unless you have a dedicated carrying bag with the little pouches, but that defeats the point of an ultraportable notebook).
 
2012-07-14 01:53:46 PM  

Unobtanium: I have been hoping that the Ultrabooks would would drive down the price of some of the "near" Ultrabooks, but it hasn't seemed to happen. Looking at 2nd gen i5 13.3 or maybe 14, but they are all still over $600, but getting closer. Seeing occasional $550 - $580 with rebates.


Yeah, exactly. The Ultrabooks are too expensive for what you get, at some point I don't actually care if it is thinner as long as the basic shape is the same; making it even thinner does absolutely nothing for me and is detrimental if you don't get a full stroke keyboard because of it. I have an almost 3 year old Toshiba Portege T135 with a 13 inch screen, dual core and 3 lbs and an inch thick. I want an update for that, a "near ultrabook" not some stupid uber expensive machine that is thin and flimsy.
 
2012-07-14 02:00:00 PM  
Who knew that the market for paying 50% more to get a thinner laptop was so small?

/consumers that don't care about price already have Macbook Pros
 
2012-07-14 02:00:12 PM  
Msol: They tried this with Netbooks, no? They've basically given that up, much to my chagrin. I need to replace my 10' Dell with something comparable.

I have a dell mini, and now it basically gets used to patch the firmware or change the settings on my routers.

1) Because the mini has an ethernet port whereas the tablet does not.

2) Because the mini is lighter than my full sized laptop (meaning I can hold it in one hand while typing commands with the other).

Other than that, it doesn't see much use these days.
 
2012-07-14 02:04:28 PM  

Msol: I need to replace my 10' Dell with something comparable.


I can see where carrying something 10 feet wide around would be a pain.
 
2012-07-14 02:21:51 PM  
Ultrabook is just the windows name for Macbook Air right?
 
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2012-07-14 02:33:06 PM  
Probably doesn't help much that Intel has this epiphany for making Macbook Air clones right as tablet popularity is gaining steam.
 
2012-07-14 02:54:14 PM  

Carth: Ultrabook is just the windows name for Macbook Air right?


I dunno, but I just started using a Macbook Pro at work, and am having huge transition difficulties. It. Is. SLOW. Compared to my blitzingly-fast video card on my former Win7 laptop.

I brought it to IT and said "Can you swap out this video card for something faster?" to which they gently explained to me that Macbooks are not upgradeable...
 
2012-07-14 03:03:09 PM  
and a serious marketing effort - a little sex and sizzle wouldn't hurt, either.

i.imgur.com

Ultrahottie is here to help Ultrabook™.
 
2012-07-14 03:09:30 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Msol: I need to replace my 10' Dell with something comparable.

I can see where carrying something 10 feet wide around would be a pain.


Haha, whoops.

But seriously, where are the laptops that are small enough to fit in my bookbag? They're all from 2009 it seems.
 
2012-07-14 03:46:21 PM  

sdd2000: drjekel_mrhyde: It's way too soon those things are still around $1000 bucks. AMD powered ones won't be out till later @ around $600 Link

Prices are dropping and while I would accept an AMD powered one, I will never buy another HP laptop. I have had nothing but problems with HP products especially laptops and their customer service is about the worst I have ever dealt with. Up until recently I also made the purchasing decisions for my former company (I retired) and we went with Dell for almost everything. Price was about the same and on a corporate account service is much better with Dell then HP.


I agree about HP laptops. Had to replace many power jack and keyboards
 
2012-07-14 03:47:01 PM  

ramblinwreck: Don't know why sales aren't better for PC ultrabooks. My wife has a Toshiba Portege Z835 and it's pretty awesome. Much faster and cooler (temperature wise) than any of her previous ones.


I love mine. I have to lug a laptop all over the place, and the Toshiba ultra I bought for $700 is perfect. I get 6-7 hours of active use, so I don't have to carry a bag with a spare battery and/or charger. So rather than carrying 15 lbs of gear on my shoulder all day I carry 3 lbs in my hand. $300 is a hefty premium percentage wise but the lighter weight and long battery life makes it so much less of a pain to carry around that it's totally worth it for me. I don't hate needing a laptop with me all the time anymore.
 
2012-07-14 03:53:40 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Ultrabooks need to hit tablet prices. Basically you have:

Tablet (mobile OS):
Lots of apps from a store, good battery life but letter computing power

Ultrabook (desktop OS):
No app store(yet), but access to Windows native apps. Some run better than others on the multitouch environment. Lesser battery life, but that's because you have a big old i5 or something chugging away under the hood.

I want a Windows ultrabook. Load my older games up onto it and play them on my Detroit to Shanghai flights. Alpha Centauri, Hearts of Iron, Deus Ex, etc. However I'm only willing to pay about the high end iPad price for one. At the current ultrabook price point I'll buy a nicely equipped laptop, some extras, and still have a few hundred bucks in my pocket. The fact it has a hinged screen doesn't bother me that much.


Um... I don't think you quite got the ultrabook thing. The whole point isn't just that it's light. The point is that to qualify as an ultrabook it also has to meet certain power requirements. A true ultrabook will be more capable, processing-wise, than most desktops.

Thats what the price premium is about. You're not paying an extra $600 to shave an half an inch and 3ozs off of a bargain basement notebook. You're paying that premium for a near to of the lunge machine that is also significantly more powerful than most laptops in use today.

In that light, comparing an ultrabook to a tablet is about the stupidest thing ever. It's like saying you won't by an xbox360 until it costs less than a gameboy color.
 
2012-07-14 04:49:09 PM  

Msol: KarmicDisaster: Msol: I need to replace my 10' Dell with something comparable.

I can see where carrying something 10 feet wide around would be a pain.

Haha, whoops.

But seriously, where are the laptops that are small enough to fit in my bookbag? They're all from 2009 it seems.


Yeah, I've been shopping, and I notice the same thing; all of the smaller designs that I'd actually want to take with me are older machines. The "netbook" craze is over, but it may turn out that they sold better than the current ultrabooks. You now pay a premium for a smaller screen, which is crazy. I may just go with a standard but reduced weight 15.6 inch if I can't find anything good. There are some 11.6 inchers that might not be too bad if you get an SSD drive in there.
 
2012-07-14 05:25:10 PM  

RogermcAllen: British: We're not looking for thinner laptops. We're long past the days of 5-inch thick laptops. We're looking for thinner prices.

A whole lot of this. I feel like most portable electronics (laptops, phones, iPads) are as small as they should ever be.

Shrink the insides, make it lighter and cheaper, but keep the damn things big enough so that they actually fit in my hand. I am also really tired of the "We can't fit a full size USB drive because of the slim form factor" bullshiat.


Or an optical drive. I know optical won't be around forever, but I use my laptop mostly while traveling, and it's nice to be able to pop in a DVD to watch. Ultra books require you to lug around an external drive which defeats the purpose of being thin and svelte in the first place. In my estimation 'normalbooks' are portable enough without making sacrifices, and cost half as much.
 
2012-07-14 05:36:20 PM  
It's going to be hilarious to watch Windows 8 come out, look around and say "uh, guys? You're supposed to be buying tablets. Is ANYBODY buying tablets? Anybody? Guys?"
 
2012-07-14 05:37:37 PM  

wambu: and a serious marketing effort - a little sex and sizzle wouldn't hurt, either.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1231]

Ultrahottie is here to help Ultrabook™.


Well thank FSM for the better image uploading.

Anyway.

So what is the small, slightly underpowered laptop market at right now? I test drove an iPad 3 for about two weeks, didn't like it.

I want a keyboard, probably a mouse. Some sort of hacky tablet+keyboard cover thing, or some sort of a netbook thingy? Flip-around-screen netbook like Asus has (still has?)?

Meh. I may just wait for the form factors to settle down again.
 
2012-07-14 05:44:36 PM  
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Also not good with decimals.
 
2012-07-14 05:49:16 PM  
Let's see...

My new laptop has an i7-3610QM, NVIDIA GTX 670M 3GB, 12GB ram, and 750GB on a 7200RPM HDD.

It's a gaming desktop crammed into a 17.3 inch laptop. How is it not an ultrabook?

/Also finally got a backlit KB.
 
2012-07-14 06:05:38 PM  

Msol: But seriously, where are the laptops that are small enough to fit in my bookbag? They're all from 2009 it seems.


Seriously? 11" MacBook Air, bootcamp'd to Windows. Probably a little more expensive than it should be, but it's a rock solid configuration.
 
2012-07-14 06:06:15 PM  

StopLurkListen: Carth: Ultrabook is just the windows name for Macbook Air right?

I dunno, but I just started using a Macbook Pro at work, and am having huge transition difficulties. It. Is. SLOW. Compared to my blitzingly-fast video card on my former Win7 laptop.

I brought it to IT and said "Can you swap out this video card for something faster?" to which they gently explained to me that Macbooks are not upgradeable...


Since when do ANY laptops have upgradable graphics? I know that the MXM format cards were introduced a while back, but as far as I know those never really got mainstream enough to make it so you can easily find upgrades. Maybe there are some huge Alienware machines that you do a swap on, but every other laptop out there is about the same as the MacBook Pro when it comes to graphics upgradability. I'd be equally SOL if I asked my IT department to upgrade the Intel HD graphics on my Lenovo.
 
2012-07-14 06:10:02 PM  

StopLurkListen: Carth: Ultrabook is just the windows name for Macbook Air right?

I dunno, but I just started using a Macbook Pro at work, and am having huge transition difficulties. It. Is. SLOW. Compared to my blitzingly-fast video card on my former Win7 laptop.

I brought it to IT and said "Can you swap out this video card for something faster?" to which they gently explained to me that Macbooks are not upgradeable...


MBPs have dual graphics cards and use the on-board (crappy) one by default to preserve battery life. Go to System Preferences - Energy Saver - Graphics and pick Higher Performance to use the discrete graphics card.
 
2012-07-14 06:11:11 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: RogermcAllen: British: We're not looking for thinner laptops. We're long past the days of 5-inch thick laptops. We're looking for thinner prices.

A whole lot of this. I feel like most portable electronics (laptops, phones, iPads) are as small as they should ever be.

Shrink the insides, make it lighter and cheaper, but keep the damn things big enough so that they actually fit in my hand. I am also really tired of the "We can't fit a full size USB drive because of the slim form factor" bullshiat.

Or an optical drive. I know optical won't be around forever, but I use my laptop mostly while traveling, and it's nice to be able to pop in a DVD to watch. Ultra books require you to lug around an external drive which defeats the purpose of being thin and svelte in the first place. In my estimation 'normalbooks' are portable enough without making sacrifices, and cost half as much.


I'm the opposite. I have no use at all for a DVD drive on my laptop, so I'd much prefer that they start making models without the optical so they can fit in a larger battery or a second drive bay so I can have an SSD + HDD combination on a 13" laptop.
 
2012-07-14 07:02:38 PM  
Windows 8 > OSX, that is all
 
2012-07-14 07:18:34 PM  

Brontes: Windows 8 > OSX, that is all


You sure you want to run with the second coming of Windows ME (or Bob)?
 
2012-07-14 07:38:25 PM  

lordargent:

1) Take the internal components of an ultra book.

2) Insert components into a standard laptop frame, with a standard sized battery and standard ports.

3) Since you have all of this extra space in the frame, make the battery bigger, add some ports, and if it's not too much of a bother, let this sucker go up to 16 GB of ram.

4) Take my money (as I will now (hopefully) have a laptop that will last through my crazy work schedule)

// If anyone is looking for me, try checking the lawn outside the building.


Lenovo W520.
 
2012-07-14 08:15:29 PM  

Brontes: Windows 8 > OSX, that is all


What flavor was the Kool-Aid the day they got you, junior?
 
2012-07-14 09:30:42 PM  

tillerman35: It's going to be hilarious to watch Windows 8 come out, look around and say "uh, guys? You're supposed to be buying tablets. Is ANYBODY buying tablets? Anybody? Guys?"


I'm getting a Surface Pro. Would you like me to restore your iPad back to the factory settings?
/That would be so farking funny seeing that
 
2012-07-14 09:49:08 PM  

Brontes: Windows 8 > OSX, that is all


1/10
 
2012-07-14 11:22:36 PM  
You people. You sad, sad people. Where do you think those Ultrabooks are going to be built? That's right. Chinese labor farms.
 
2012-07-15 12:51:36 AM  
I love the concept of the ultrabook; I'm looking at picking up an Asus Zenbook Prime here soon. I HATE lugging around heavy laptops (I borrowed a friend's Toshiba A305 once and my shoulder was killing me after half an hour), I have a powerful desktop for the big tasks and gaming, I just need a portable companion device. My list of requirements is:
13-14" (11 is too small, my hands are cramped on the keyboard; 15 is too big and heavy)
Desktop OS and real keyboard (note-taking and coding)
Light! Under 5lbs, less would be awesome.
At least i3 processor (no way I'm waiting for an Atom or E-350 to compile)
Solid-state drive (they're essential in laptops, I feel)
Better screen than the 1366x768 crap most laptops come with (the ZBP is 1600x900)

Don't need a DVD, I can rip stuff at home if I want to watch a movie on a flight. Don't need more than 3 USB ports. Don't foresee myself needing ethernet. I don't really need the 6+ hour battery life, but it doesn't hurt. If it wasn't for the higher price, ultrabooks would be perfect. But then, any aluminium-chassis laptop with a solid-state drive is going to be up near that price, you only get down into the $400-$600 range by going with a ton of plastic and mechanical storage.
 
2012-07-15 01:00:26 AM  

Carth: MBPs have dual graphics cards and use the on-board (crappy) one by default to preserve battery life. Go to System Preferences - Energy Saver - Graphics and pick Higher Performance to use the discrete graphics card.


Not all of them. The 13" 2011-on MBP actually just uses the Intel HD 3000 (4000 now) graphics. You have to get the 15" or larger to get the GeForce.

That said, the Sandy/Ivy Bridge HD Graphics isn't "crappy" by any means. It's really is very competent as integrated graphics go (the 4000 particularly) - you can run older-engined games very smoothly on them. The Old Republic is a little chunky on a 3000, but Portal 2 plays great, and the 4000 is 20-100% faster depending on the game.

Integrated graphics don't have to suck anymore. Intel's still isn't quite as good as the AMD A-series APU for gaming, but blows them away for productivity, so I generally feel it's worth the tradeoff.
 
2012-07-15 02:03:23 AM  
DemonEater : Light! Under 5lbs, less would be awesome.

That's not a very lofty goal

My old school dell inspiron starts at 5.35 pounds (I assuming adding more ram and an optical drive adds a nominal amount of weight, an extended battery, a bit more). But if I'm going to pay for a premium for an ultrabook, they've got to shave more weight off of it than that (like sub 3 pounds).
 
2012-07-15 04:05:25 AM  
Am I the only one that does not care if my "portable" weighs a lot? Yes I would like a 15 lbs battery! I just want a 21 inch folding down screen and that pc that would go with it.. sort of like the size of an old National Geographic map book thingies.. perfect.
 
2012-07-15 06:24:37 AM  

DemonEater: I love the concept of the ultrabook; I'm looking at picking up an Asus Zenbook Prime here soon. I HATE lugging around heavy laptops (I borrowed a friend's Toshiba A305 once and my shoulder was killing me after half an hour), I have a powerful desktop for the big tasks and gaming, I just need a portable companion device. My list of requirements is:
13-14" (11 is too small, my hands are cramped on the keyboard; 15 is too big and heavy)
Desktop OS and real keyboard (note-taking and coding)
Light! Under 5lbs, less would be awesome.
At least i3 processor (no way I'm waiting for an Atom or E-350 to compile)
Solid-state drive (they're essential in laptops, I feel)
Better screen than the 1366x768 crap most laptops come with (the ZBP is 1600x900)

Don't need a DVD, I can rip stuff at home if I want to watch a movie on a flight. Don't need more than 3 USB ports. Don't foresee myself needing ethernet. I don't really need the 6+ hour battery life, but it doesn't hurt. If it wasn't for the higher price, ultrabooks would be perfect. But then, any aluminium-chassis laptop with a solid-state drive is going to be up near that price, you only get down into the $400-$600 range by going with a ton of plastic and mechanical storage.


http://www.apple.com/macbookair/
 
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