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(Yahoo)   For everyone hoping that the NHL would start next season on time, I've got some bad news   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2012-07-14 04:00:33 PM  
3 votes:

Cup Check: Reason #4,082 why Gary Bettman should DIAF! Even if there's a work stoppage, even lasting the entire season, I love hockey too much to b done with it. But...shiat!!!


Bettman's already cost the NHL one entire season and it wound up relegated to Versus. God help the league if they lose another one.
2012-07-14 01:32:28 PM  
3 votes:
If you want a kitten, start by asking for a pony.

That being said, I hope that they start actually *negotiating* very soon, because I am in no mood for another lockout.
2012-07-14 12:22:17 PM  
3 votes:
Shiat!

Reason #4,082 why Gary Bettman should DIAF! Even if there's a work stoppage, even lasting the entire season, I love hockey too much to b done with it. But...shiat!!!
2012-07-14 05:40:56 PM  
2 votes:
The last CBA was designed, in part, to be a braking system on the owners' own idiocy. Unfortunately they have continued to mash the gas pedal down to the floor and now need additional limits. There's a reason Luongo will still be a Canuck next year, and it's not because of anything he did.
2012-07-14 04:36:16 PM  
2 votes:

wooden_badger: Donald Fehr put a world of hurt on baseball. He wants to see if he can actually destroy a lesser sport.


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2012-07-14 02:21:17 PM  
2 votes:
Always ask for the sun, moon and stars. That way when you only get the moon everybody's happy because your adversaries stifled your more extreme proposals and you still got what you wanted.

Misdirection is a very underrated tactic. While they're screaming about the injustice of it all you negotiate it away and let them think you've caved when you actually won.
2012-07-14 12:41:30 PM  
2 votes:
The 1st rule of negotiations- the 1st proposal should always ask for more than you really want and know you'll get.

- The players' share of revenue won't be 46% in the new deal. I'll be 50-52%, like the NFL and NBA.

- The 10 years before becoming a UFA will end up at 7 or 8.

- Contract limits won't happen or they'll be something like 8 years. The 13 year deals that Parise and Suter just signed won't happen again, that much is for certain.

- Salary arbitration? Who knows on that one. Fehr came from a league where arbitration happened and was very high profile stuff. I can't see him supporting an end to it.

- 5 year entry level contracts is the one thing that could stay. Current players aren't afraid to screw over future players in any sport.

There's no need to panic here. I've heard what Fehr has said after every meeting so far. He's not afraid to rip on ownership at any opportunity. But he hasn't done that after getting this proposal. I'll start worrying when he does go back into "blast the owners" mode.
2012-07-15 02:30:37 PM  
1 vote:
3 intelligent comments and 60 incredibly stupid ones.

Good farking god.

This offer only officially lays out the points that the owners want to negotiate in the upcoming CBA. The numbers are immaterial. The NHLPA's initial counteroffer will look similarly ridiculous but with numbers in the other direction.

Secondly, Gary Bettman has steadily increased both the revenue and the exposure of the NHL in his tenure. The owners love him and the players have benefited from increased salaries because of the revenue-tied salary cap. He's not going anywhere.

Lastly, Donald Fehr will do everything in his power to avoid a lockout. He knows how badly the MLB was affected by their lockout, the things they had to do to get public interest back in the game, and how badly those things have no come back to bite baseball in the ass. In that sense he was probably the worst possible choice for the NHLPA.
2012-07-15 04:26:08 AM  
1 vote:

Thrakkorzog: It took me about 4 yrs to get back into watching the NHL like I used to after the last strike. I was looking forward to this coming season more than I have in quite a while. Oh well.


Pretty much exactly how I feel. Before the strike hockey was one of my favorite sports, after it dropped far behind football and basketball for me but I finally started getting back into it again and more knowledgeable about what was going on and who the important players are (though I follow the Stars every year). Hockey would totally destroy their brand if they cancel TWO seasons in less than 10 years and lose a lot of casual and potential fans. I hope they don't do that.
2012-07-14 08:09:29 PM  
1 vote:
Millionaires and billionaires fighting over money, f*ck all of the greedy bastards.
2012-07-14 07:56:31 PM  
1 vote:

Over_Zealously_Apathetic: F*cking pathetic. Screw you Los Angeles for not booing this f*ck. And screw you owners for not booting him out years ago.


Why would they boot him? Bettman's doing EXACTLY what the owners want him to do. The commish works for the owners, not the other way around.
2012-07-14 07:28:11 PM  
1 vote:
Until someone starts a legitimate rival league ( not any new version of the WHA funded by whackjobs that usually pops up), the NHL and Bettman will continue business as usual. TV contracts that broadcast half a season (don't want to challenge the NFL season), ticket prices that the common man can't afford, and ill-placed teams in non-hockey regions will be the rule of the day.
Personally, I would gladly watch any european professional league if some enterprising network/cable company could secure the NA rights to them.
2012-07-14 07:13:48 PM  
1 vote:
Good to see you Fatal Venom. Wish the news was better. I'm still holding out hope for a Columbus Day start. Fehr and Bettman can both be reasonable but I don't know what their marching orders are. Hopefully it's not "F the NHL" from either side. I think there's enough room for a mutual agreement.
2012-07-14 05:48:23 PM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: Aikidogamer: Gee owners, if you don't want to pay that much, maybe you should not offer it to the players. And if someone wants to pay more, so be it.

Same thing I said with the NBA lockout, the players weren't responsible for the contracts given to Joe Johnson and Gilbert Arenas. Owners want to offer these bad contracts and when it blows up in their face then they want to lock the players out.


I run a business and when I get out bid, I say, your funeral good luck.
2012-07-14 05:33:03 PM  
1 vote:

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: They want a limit on contracts and yet they give contracts out for 10, 13 and 15 years? Christ, some of these owners shouldn't even be running a lemonade stand, let alone a professional sports franchise.

/they're the real problem


Agreed. And this proposed deal scares the shiat out of me, because I'd really like to actually see hockey happen this year.
2012-07-14 05:24:00 PM  
1 vote:
Gee owners, if you don't want to pay that much, maybe you should not offer it to the players. And if someone wants to pay more, so be it.

Seriously, you all charge 100s of dollars for tickets. Let the players keep their share.
2012-07-14 04:19:52 PM  
1 vote:

Hastor: It's like he wants another lockout. Youch.

Having said that, while the lockout was embarrassing and frustrating it did result in some fundamental improvements in the league. Hopefully we can streamline the process and get some tweaks without missing a lot of hockey this time.


Why would he want another lockout? If there's another one, you'll see Phoenix and Columbus both fold and possibly 1 or 2 more. They won't move. They'll just close down and be gone.

A lockout would be suicide for the NHL for a few markets that the owners really want to be in and Bettman won't let that be his legacy.
2012-07-14 04:04:48 PM  
1 vote:

desertgeek: There's no need to panic here. I've heard what Fehr has said after every meeting so far. He's not afraid to rip on ownership at any opportunity. But he hasn't done that after getting this proposal. I'll start worrying when he does go back into "blast the owners" mode.


Honestly, I want nothing more than Fehr to do something to force Bettman out. I hate that man, but I despise Bettman even worse than I do Fehr.
2012-07-14 04:02:12 PM  
1 vote:

Cup Check: Shiat!

Reason #4,082 why Gary Bettman should DIAF! Even if there's a work stoppage, even lasting the entire season, I love hockey too much to b done with it. But...shiat!!!


And the worse thing: Bettman's going up against one Donald Fehr; who was tempered in the morass that was the baseball negotiating wars of the 80s and 90s.

So, yeah, good luck getting anything the owners want Gary, you farkwad!
 
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