I have an idea. They should chalk their own property instead of defacing public property. Voila! No arrests.

Wait, no, let's trample other people's right and complain we're being oppressed!

Great, a link to "Occupy Los Angeles" . I'm not white-knighting police, but Occupy is not really a reliable source of un-slanted information either.

Yet the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 1995 that chalk was not vandalism and was protected as free speech...

Link

Sgt. Ben Richards of the LAPD was reprimanded Saturday morning for refusing to participate in the attack on peaceful protesters.

Richards was ordered to "proceed with plan alpha" according to audio records, but Richards refused, saying "I said the crowd is unarmed! There are lots of women and children down there! All they want is more chalk for gods sake!"

LAPD Captain Todd Cohagen then responded to Richards on the radio, saying "As you were Richards. Proceed with plan alpha. All rioters must be neutralized." Sgt. Richards had one final radio transmission, saying "The hell with you, I will not taser helpless people! Abort mission. We return back to base."

A media spokesman for the LAPD has confirmed Sgt. Richards has been suspended for 20 days with pay.

Meh.... Cops vs. Hippies. I have no one to root for...

Generation_D: gilgigamesh: Arthen: Look, either you challenge the states monopoly on the use of violence or get off the pot. I'm sick and tired of this pernicious fantasy that revolution doesn't come out of the barrel of a gun.

The civil rights movement of the 1960s would like a word, and to put a flower in the barrel of your rifle.

Big difference between a civil rights march in the 50s or 60s involving tens of thousands of people of all walks of life, and a typical Occupy jaunt around the neighborhood or 10 or 20 black bloc guys breaking windows in the branch bank near my home.

You dumb Occupy kids see yourselves as some kind of clarion call to rise up.

What you are is dipshiats.

In 20-30 years you might understand that. But on the other hand, the hippies in the 60s are now tea baggers. Thats your future, stupid.

All politics aside, you sound exactly like a grumpy old man telling kids to get off his lawn. This is not an effective rhetorical styling and will only harden the resolve of those who you argue against. People don't like to be told how they will be. Now, if you could show them how they will come to understand in 20-30 years instead of just asserting the claim, you might be able to convince someone.

gilgigamesh: Generation_D: they go around parading their ignorance and their frustration with their own life's choices

Way to miss the point. If this was 1967 you would be biatching about hippies protesting against the war in Viet Nam all being on the payroll of Chairman Mao.

He doesn't have TIME for points man. He's got to get some farking sleep to go back to his dead end job with no avenue for advancement or a pay raise.
He knows he has to work until he's 80 to afford living until hes 100 when he retires, and he can only pray to a God that will not respond that he does not get injured or sick.

You think a man like that wants to be cognizant of the fact he's in hell?

I like how they say "sidewalk" chalking. The story I read was they were in the middle of the street writing, obstructing traffic and creating a public safety issue.

Rubber bullets for all...

/play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Petit_Merdeux: The main stream media is blaming occupy, saying LAPD was standing off with occupiers. That is false.

That damn Lamestream Drive-by Liberal Conservative MSM Media!

If, as some Farkers have suggested, that only right-wingers are fascists, left-wingers need to own up to the fact they are mainstream media. As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm out of the loop) Fox News is the only cable news program that gives a 'mostly' republican view.

Don't be a deniers left-wing... be proud.

Nytfall: m2313:
Only right-wingers are fascists because fascism is a far right political label. Similarly, only left-wingers are communists. The Republican Party is a fascist party, but that doesn't mean it's the only conservative influence out there. Both parties fall on the right.
That does not mean all right-wingers are fascists. Fox News, while a fascist mouthpiece for the fascist Republican Party, is not the only conservative/right wing media.
In fact, the majority of the media (including all of Cable News with the exception of a select few on MSNBC, and even then MSNBC is still corporate/conservative it just allows some leeway in what their employees can say) is corporate/conservative/right wing.
This is to be expected in a two-party state where the choices are limited to conservative (D) and fascist (R).
There is no existing left political or media establishment in the US that has any significant institutional influence. Occupy, while not exclusively left wing, exists partly because there is no institutional voice for the American left. Occupy LA and Occupy Oakland (basing this on my experience with their participants, the Occupy movement, and the political scene in general) are probably the most left-wing/most prominent of the left wing "movements" or whatever you wish to call them that currently exist in America. Most of the ones I've talked to do have jobs, and I admire their bravery in standing against violent terrorist gangs like the LAPD and OPD. But apparently if you don't stand in line and serve your dear masters (the cops, bosses, and politicians) you are to be considered a piece of shiat and be attacked by armed gangs of thugs who are the height of glory because they do what they're told like good boys and understand that money and obedience is to be valued over everything in life.

dafuq did I just read? That sounds like a manifesto from a cabin dwelling, beard growing, bomb making sociopath

Our poor brainwashed spoiled brat youth.

Make em' live in a communist shiat hole for a few years and see if they come back preaching the same bullshiat.

kriegfusion: Is that dialogue for real? What is this, Blackhawk Down? I didn't realize communication was so militarized in the police force.

I'm pretty sure that's a paraphrase from "The Running Man", but I can't quite swear to it.

shivashakti: Well, this article makes more sense.

I can understand people being tear gassed for throwing bottles at police. Not for drawing on the sidewalk with chalk.

But what happened first? Were people being arrested for drawing on the sidewalk with chalk? Is that why they were throwing bottles? There's not enough information and I don't trust the Occupy version (despite generally supporting their ideals). I'd like to see a more unbiased view of the event.

Having seen a few Occupy protests in my day, the way it probably went was all day, police kept their distance while chalkers did their thing. Then later on, quite a few of the original arists/freaks/protesters left, leaving behind the more core group who always show up to mix it up with police. Police are more than happy to do this, as it seems to give them a nice sporting day of spraying idiots and cracking skulls. So depending on who you listen to, at some point a "lawful order to disperse" / "they're denying us our free speech rights" escalated, and guys who changed into black with masks collide with guys already wearing black with masks and gas. One side has more toys, the other side has possibly better guerilla tactics. Game on, unless you didn't know the rules of engagement and got caught in the crossfire. And the rules change every time.

Many cameras are going by now, many sides will be taken out and edited. Police and protester both edit the version, and mad uploads follow for days. Police use their podium to express their view, but that increasingly doesn't get believed. On the other hand, quite often an Occupy zealot will have been found to be overstating their case, and selectively editing.

So there's 100 words to sum up what you put in 10. You win.

Most police I've seen protect peaceful protests, but then go batsh*t on black bloc. Seems about right.

I've seen probably 20 protests in the past year, plus the 6 months long Occupy at Seattle Central which I passed by daily walking to work.

Fett56: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Let's hang some cops from lightpoles, it's about time they regained respect for the people who pay them.

That is definitely the bravest thing I've read on the internet all day. You are truly America's greatest hero.

Internet tough guy is tough.

/you think the Occumopes pay taxes? lulz

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Let's hang some cops from lightpoles, it's about time they regained respect for the people who pay them.

gilgigamesh: fluffy2097: gilgigamesh: Generation_D: they go around parading their ignorance and their frustration with their own life's choices

Way to miss the point. If this was 1967 you would be biatching about hippies protesting against the war in Viet Nam all being on the payroll of Chairman Mao.

He doesn't have TIME for points man. He's got to get some farking sleep to go back to his dead end job with no avenue for advancement or a pay raise.
He knows he has to work until he's 80 to afford living until hes 100 when he retires, and he can only pray to a God that will not respond that he does not get injured or sick.

You think a man like that wants to be cognizant of the fact he's in hell?

Were he alive today, I would think he would be proud that his efforts and sacrifice enabled me to be where I am now: relaxing by the pool in a lilly white subdivision in my north Florida vacation home with my white wife; completely free from the concern that men in white hoods are currently riding up in the back of a pickup to murder us all and burn the place to the ground.

Occupy kids arent on anyones payroll. They arent that smart. What Occupy kids are is well intentioned idiots with no real idea how to communicate to your target audience. And no self-awareness of what it is that Occupy looks like or is outside of the little insulated circle that it travels in.

Occupy is such a circle jerk. You alienate people who are also 99% but who don't agree that disrupting normal daily life is an effective or a wanted means of communication.

If you use a broad enough brush, you can make any criticism of your method look like racism or 1960s Bull Connor. But that is kind of the point I'm making. You are immune to ANY criticism. That makes you no better than your enemy. Its like Godwinning with different reference points - can't compare your enemies to Nazis any more, so compare them to Chairman Mao or Governor Wallace.

in 1971 Pete Townsend wrote a really nice little ditty that summed up the 60s. I know its also cliche worn but consider when he wrote it, they'd just had 10 years or more of protests. Hopefully the irony of Won't Get Fooled Again would resonate with you. On the other hand, you'll probably just accuse him of being a tired old hippie pedo now, and you'd be right.

When you mature in years to come, you might look back on Occupy as well meaning but flawed, or you might cling to the idea that it was ignored by an oligarch state that needed to exercise undue control. A lot of these things depend on who is writing the history, of course.

Right now, today, dorks banging pots and pans, smashing bank branch windows, and chalking sidewalks really does nothing to win neutral 99%'ers over to your cause, and it does often push people away who might otherwise be interested. That is all I'm saying.

I'm from a time when we all knew protesting was feeble sh*t done by a few loud asshats who needed more attention than everyone else, but who deluded themselves into thinking they were making a difference.

I guess it's possible you are making a difference, but history really is on my side in this, not yours. So you might be this generations flower gun girl, though I think riot kiss couple in Vancouver BC might have you beat already.

History says there are always protests, but that the power structure wins out, and todays protesters become tomorrows co-opted members of the ruling elite. So thats really your strategy! In 30 years you can tell everyone how much difference you made by breaking windows of a branch bank.

While you simultaneously condemn that year's 20 year olds for hating you and all the advantages you had in life.

Just like the hippies of the 60s are often now fake liberal selfish idiots today. But that won't happen to you, oh no.

This is not an effective rhetorical styling and will only harden the resolve of those who you argue against.

you mean how everyone is sick of the occupy clowns?

There is no end to the disdain I have for occupies. A chalk protest on a rainy day. These are stupid people.

gilgigamesh: Arthen: Look, either you challenge the states monopoly on the use of violence or get off the pot. I'm sick and tired of this pernicious fantasy that revolution doesn't come out of the barrel of a gun.

The civil rights movement of the 1960s would like a word, and to put a flower in the barrel of your rifle.

Big difference between a civil rights march in the 50s or 60s involving tens of thousands of people of all walks of life, and a typical Occupy jaunt around the neighborhood or 10 or 20 black bloc guys breaking windows in the branch bank near my home.

You dumb Occupy kids see yourselves as some kind of clarion call to rise up.

What you are is dipshiats.

In 20-30 years you might understand that. But on the other hand, the hippies in the 60s are now tea baggers. Thats your future, stupid.

I LOVE that article!

We weren't doing nuffin.
We wuz totally peaceful
And if something as done, it wasn't us.

Comments:

Who hit the women cop in the face with the bottle?


LULZ!

gilgigamesh: Arthen: Look, either you challenge the states monopoly on the use of violence or get off the pot. I'm sick and tired of this pernicious fantasy that revolution doesn't come out of the barrel of a gun.

The civil rights movement of the 1960s would like a word, and to put a flower in the barrel of your rifle.

How's that working out for you, Mr King?

Generation_D: Because the incident is being reported on "Occupy Los Angeles" web site, and Occupy can and does edit facts to fit their narrative. Almost like a ... biased media of some sort.

Yes, I noticed that. Hence, my comment. They are so slanted that I doubt they can even walk straight.

Old Man Winter: I have an idea. They should chalk their own property instead of defacing public property. Voila! No arrests.

Wait, no, let's trample other people's right and complain we're being oppressed!

This.

Seattle's Occupyers are now doing weekly marches through residential neighborhoods, 20 or so noisy hippies, one asswit with a bullhorn. They get police on cycles behind them as they go around parading their ignorance and their frustration with their own life's choices. The message (and I've seen their signs, heard their slogans, seen their web sites) still seems to come down to something along the lines of LIFE IS UNFAIR AND ITS EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT I HATE YOU MOM AND DAD

Old Man Winter: I have an idea. They should chalk their own property instead of defacing public property. Voila! No arrests.

Wait, no, let's trample other people's right and complain we're being oppressed!


Is it defacing when it's non-permanent chalk? Serious question. Silly string, etc?

topcon: Link

Sgt. Ben Richards of the LAPD was reprimanded Saturday morning for refusing to participate in the attack on peaceful protesters.

Richards was ordered to "proceed with plan alpha" according to audio records, but Richards refused, saying "I said the crowd is unarmed! There are lots of women and children down there! All they want is more chalk for gods sake!"

LAPD Captain Todd Cohagen then responded to Richards on the radio, saying "As you were Richards. Proceed with plan alpha. All rioters must be neutralized." Sgt. Richards had one final radio transmission, saying "The hell with you, I will not taser helpless people! Abort mission. We return back to base."

A media spokesman for the LAPD has confirmed Sgt. Richards has been suspended for 20 days with pay.

Also quoted as saying, "I don't do requests. ."

At least the cops have jobs, you useless sacks of Occupy shiat.