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2012-07-14 05:51:38 PM

consider this: gimmegimme: I am just confused and repulsed by the people who claim that GZ is not guilty of doing anything wrong, but they cannot find the facts of the case to prove it.

What did he do wrong? There's an unknown few minutes from the time he hangs up the phone to the confrontation with TM where it's possible that he did something wrong, but other than the possibility that something happened in that time, he violated no laws that night. I can't find fault with a person taking an active role in the safety and security of their neighborhood. All we know is that GZ saw somebody that he thought was suspicious and called to report it. He then left his vehicle so that he could continue observing the suspicious person until police arrived.

I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else. All we know after that is that GZ was being assaulted and eventually pulled his gun and shot TM. I can see a case being made for self defense but can't find any way to call it murder given what we know and what we don't.


You seem fairly reasonable. Here's my problem. Zimmerman seems to clearly be the aggressor. He was following a guy for several minutes. First in a car and then on foot. Zimmerman called for backup, but it had not yet arrived. Zimmerman lamented that "they always get away." Zimmerman at some point talked to Martin. Zimmerman COULD have gotten back into his car and driven away; he could have avoided starting a fight. (If he were too far away from his car, wouldn't you say that's pretty aggressive?) Zimmerman knew he was armed. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest.

At the very least, the basics of what we know make Zimmerman's actions quite suspicious.
 
2012-07-14 05:52:30 PM

gimmegimme: Yes, and Trayvon Martin was well within his rights to kill Zimmerman. Florida's Stand your Ground law clearly states that:


You're making assumptions that you have no way of proving.
 
2012-07-14 05:54:24 PM

consider this: kashari: If Trayvon had been grabbing Z's head, covering his bloody nose/mouth, scratching his face, then something could get under a nail. But there still was NO DNA of Z's anywhere on TM's hands.

I'd guess that's because no DNA swabs of Martin's hands were taken. We have an eyewitness that saw TM on top of GZ, I'd say it's not in dispute how GZ sustained his injuries.


Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.
 
2012-07-14 05:54:47 PM
...In fact, the logical plan of action Zimmerman could have had to act the way he did was to follow and apprehend what he thought was a (most likely dangerous) criminal. Judging by his non-intimidating size and lack of lethal hands of martial arts menace, I'm left to believe that Zimmerman intended to employ the use of his firearm to apprehend this criminal for the police. It seems like he was going to corner the suspect, gun drawn, then call the police with his location. None of these actions taken by people of sound mind. I don't even need to get as far as him believing that a murder suspect using ridiculous "coded" language on a jail phone to get his wife to hide widely known about sums of donation money from the authorities, and lie about the validity of his passport, was a good plan. The man is obviously a dangerous idiot.

I don't think a 2nd degree murder conviction is going to happen though. Unless of course, Zimmerman is a murderous moron.
 
2012-07-14 05:56:51 PM

gimmegimme: Agreed. It was Martin's responsibility to lie face down on the ground with his fingers laced behind his head and his ankles crossed until Zimmerman got the answers to his questions.


You're barking up the wrong tree, and there's an entire forest of suck in this thread.
 
2012-07-14 05:58:32 PM

gimmegimme: At the very least, the basics of what we know make Zimmerman's actions quite suspicious.


I'll grant that GZ might have been acting a little too much like a police officer and that he might have been emboldened by the fact he was carrying a gun. My problem is that we have no way of proving what happened after GZ hangs up the phone with the dispatcher. GZ claims that he was attacked and acted in self defense and we have an eyewitness that supports that.

I might be able to get on board with a manslaughter charge, but there's nothing here to support a murder charge unless you speculate on what happened in those missing few minutes.
 
2012-07-14 05:59:30 PM
George also has some explaining to do on why he says he had Trayvon's hands out to the sides with T face down, but his hands were underneath his body when the police arrived. So he either is a big fatty fat liar or he's a big fatty fat liar who changed the arrangement of the body & didn't tell the police he did.
 
2012-07-14 06:01:32 PM

kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.


True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.
 
2012-07-14 06:08:05 PM

consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.


Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive

3) Not remaining in a position to be able to retreat if necessary. (Zimmerman had a car and a gun. Martin had neither. Zimmerman had the ability to hop in his car and zoom off or to fire a warning shot or to hit an arm or leg or something. For example, if Martin saw Zimmerman and threatened him, Zimmerman should easily have been able to get away.)

You gotta agree that he started the fight and had many opportunities to resolve the situation without loss of life. (Like I said, he had the car and a gun.)
 
2012-07-14 06:08:32 PM

Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too

One would think that the media not wasting time with irrelevant nonsense would be a good thing. Apparently, you consider it a conspiracy.

I can believe that Zimmerman might not have been motivated by racial prejudice, but I don't think I can say as much for his cheerleaders.


Why would you think that a media outlet taking an active choice to CHANGE the kind of drink is NOT wasting time? Wouldn't the opposite be NOT wasting time and leaving the correct drink in? I think that the original complaint that apparently started all this discussion in the first place of the media being PC about it was correct. If Travon was walking down the street carrying watermelon, some fried chicken, dribbling a basketball, and drinking a 40 oz. bottle of Colt45 it isn't racially insensitive to report those facts as they are facts. Just because they happen to be black stereotypes doesn't mean that reality needs to take a vacation in reporting.
 
2012-07-14 06:11:52 PM

Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.


They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?
 
2012-07-14 06:12:27 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too

One would think that the media not wasting time with irrelevant nonsense would be a good thing. Apparently, you consider it a conspiracy.

I can believe that Zimmerman might not have been motivated by racial prejudice, but I don't think I can say as much for his cheerleaders.

Why would you think that a media outlet taking an active choice to CHANGE the kind of drink is NOT wasting time? Wouldn't the opposite be NOT wasting time and leaving the correct drink in? I think that the original complaint that apparently started all this discussion in the first place of the media being PC about it was correct. If Travon was walking down the street carrying watermelon, some fried chicken, dribbling a basketball, and drinking a 40 oz. bottle of Colt45 it isn't racially insensitive to report those facts as they are facts. Just because they happen to be black stereotypes doesn't mean that reality needs to take a vacation in reporting.


I don't think there's as much intent as you're attributing to it. Someone heard "iced tea" and it just circulated like a meme. Don't forget; the media is often incompetent and eager to avoid confrontation. That's why they never press Romney about his employment of illegal aliens and stuff like that. (You know, in the rare times when Romney will appear on a non-Fox show.)
 
2012-07-14 06:15:01 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?


Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.
 
2012-07-14 06:15:55 PM
Zimmerman pissing off his judge is like Israel pissing off the Palestinians. There's just no way to prevent it, because both the judge and the Palestinians have decided they will never be anything but pissed off, and there is no magical combination of soothing words that will ever un-piss them.
 
2012-07-14 06:16:45 PM

gimmegimme: consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.

Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive

3) Not remaining in a position to be able to retreat if necessary. (Zimmerman had a car and a gun. Martin had neither. Zimmerman had the ability to hop in his car and zoom off or to fire a warning shot or to hit an arm or leg or something. For example, if Martin saw Zimmerman and threatened him, Zimmerman should easily have been able to get away.)

You gotta agree that he started the fight and had many opportunities to resolve the situation without loss of life. (Like I said, he had the car and a gun.)


A warning shot? Are you serious? Save that nonsense for the movies. Every firearms class on the planet will tell you the same thing, if you pull it and fire aim center of mass till the target is down.
 
2012-07-14 06:17:34 PM

gimmegimme: Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive



I can admit that he started the sequence of events that eventually led to the confrontation but not that he actually started the confrontation. What I have a problem with is how close this happened to the home where TM was staying. When TM took off and ran behind the row of townhouses, he was around 50 yards away from home. Had he been the frightened kid that some want to make him out to be, he could have easily made it home.

If he's not a frightened kid and was standing his ground against a threat, then you have to admit that it's possible that he was the one to start the physical altercation, don't you?
 
2012-07-14 06:17:56 PM

Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

Explain this last point in any coherent context. How did trouble in school, or his choice of beverage, or really any of the irrelevant details you guys seem to obsess over, impact the shooting one way or another.

/And I'm not even going to address your point about unnecessary confrontation == blaming a rape victim. I'm hoping that you posted that in a moment of thoughtlessness.


About as much as someone staying in their car.....in the condo complex where they live....so they "avoid a crime"
 
2012-07-14 06:19:30 PM

consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.


Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)
 
2012-07-14 06:20:17 PM

consider this: gimmegimme: Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive


I can admit that he started the sequence of events that eventually led to the confrontation but not that he actually started the confrontation. What I have a problem with is how close this happened to the home where TM was staying. When TM took off and ran behind the row of townhouses, he was around 50 yards away from home. Had he been the frightened kid that some want to make him out to be, he could have easily made it home.

If he's not a frightened kid and was standing his ground against a threat, then you have to admit that it's possible that he was the one to start the physical altercation, don't you?


I don't know...I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else.
 
2012-07-14 06:20:51 PM

DancingElkCondor: Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

Explain this last point in any coherent context. How did trouble in school, or his choice of beverage, or really any of the irrelevant details you guys seem to obsess over, impact the shooting one way or another.

/And I'm not even going to address your point about unnecessary confrontation == blaming a rape victim. I'm hoping that you posted that in a moment of thoughtlessness.

About as much as someone staying in their car.....in the condo complex where they live....so they "avoid a crime"


Is that the same amount as someone walking back home to their condo complex after stopping at 7-11?
 
2012-07-14 06:22:08 PM

Tatterdemalian: Zimmerman pissing off his judge is like Israel pissing off the Palestinians. There's just no way to prevent it, because both the judge and the Palestinians have decided they will never be anything but pissed off, and there is no magical combination of soothing words that will ever un-piss them.


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2012-07-14 06:29:11 PM
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2012-07-14 06:30:38 PM

kashari: Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)


You'll have to provide a citation for the light colored shirt statement, I can't seem to find anything while searching Google.

So you're saying that it's possible that GZ slipped and fell multiple times causing injuries on the front and back of his head? Taken that we have an eyewitness that saw TM on top, I'd say that's a real stretch.

As for the head being "pounded", how many times would you allow a person to bang your head off the ground before you felt as if your life might be in danger? At any point, the next blow could have been the fatal one. Was GZ obligated to wait until his skull was fractured before taking actions to defend himself?

GZ and TM were involved in a physical altercation, that's not in question by anybody involved with the case. GZ had multiple injuries while TM had no injuries other than a small laceration on a knuckle. Does that say who started the fight? No it doesn't. What I don't understand is how people are able to speculate that GZ attacked TM and then use that speculation to convict a man of murder. It's as if GZ needs to be punished solely because TM is dead, no matter what happened that night.

Like I was saying before, I can see a manslaughter charge, but there's nothing here to prove that a murder took place.
 
2012-07-14 06:31:01 PM

gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?

Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.


No. You are trying to use what women do and play the game of inference.

They do this all the time, when they say 'you dont need to buy me anything'. 98% of the time, if a man hears that, he needs to buy her something.

If she wanted him to get in the car, she can say stay in the car, or get back in the car.
'We dont need you to do that' can easily be a way of covering their ass to show that they are not requesting he do something.

When you get pulled over for DWB, and you take your hands off the car, the officers do not tell you they dont need you to do that, they tell you to put your hands back on the car.
 
2012-07-14 06:32:14 PM

Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?

Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.

No. You are trying to use what women do and play the game of inference.

They do this all the time, when they say 'you dont need to buy me anything'. 98% of the time, if a man hears that, he needs to buy her something.

If she wanted him to get in the car, she can say stay in the car, or get back in the car.
'We dont need you to do that' can easily be a way of covering their ass to show that they are not requesting he do something.

When you get pulled over for DWB, and you take your hands off the car, the officers do not tell you they dont need you to do that, they tell you to put your hands back on the car.


1) What is your problem with women?
2) What is your problem with situational logic?
 
2012-07-14 06:44:01 PM

gimmegimme: 1) What is your problem with women?
2) What is your problem with situational logic?


It could have been worse. He could have used a Zimmerman thread to b*tch about Palestinians or the global scourge of the Narcotic Skittle Juice trade.
 
2012-07-14 06:45:50 PM
Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.
 
2012-07-14 06:54:36 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


So what you're saying is that women, because of their very nature, should be prohibited from being 911 operators, policemen or to hold any other position in which it is critical to give clear orders.
 
2012-07-14 06:58:07 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


If you gave up your 911 call collection, you might have a better chance at learning how to communicate with women.
 
2012-07-14 07:00:06 PM

gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that women, because of their very nature, should be prohibited from being 911 operators, policemen or to hold any other position in which it is critical to give clear orders.


Imagine if this male judge gets replaced with a female judge. It will be an infer-o-rama of grotesque proportions.
 
2012-07-14 07:18:59 PM

kashari: consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.

Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)


For a guy who was supposedly on his back on wet grass and concrete, the back of George's shirt looked suspiciously clean in that video of him being taken in by the police right after the shooting...
 
2012-07-14 07:21:39 PM

vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.


You're such a lying, disingenuous piece of shiat. Let's get a few facts straight here.

1. "Drank" is not made with dxm. The "syrup" used to make drank is codeine/phenegran syrup. As a matter of fact, if you try to google your "watermelon lean" idiocy, the only thing that comes up are racist, right wing blog sites about this very case.

2. "Drank" is not made with watermelon anything. It is made with sprite.

3. "Drank" is not made with skittles at all. It's made with Jolly Ranchers.

Way to be completely farking wrong, thank you for your regurgitated freeper talking point that is demonstrably false on all levels. I'm sure you won't let anything like the truth get in your way when trying to justify the murder of an unarmed kid.
 
2012-07-14 07:38:08 PM
The only reason this case is still being debated is because of an ill-conceived law that, good intentions aside, almost had the side-effect of legalizing unwitnessed murder. Regardless of who started the fight, we should all feel better knowing that shooting an unarmed person still warrants the inconvenience of a trial to sort out the facts.
 
2012-07-14 07:44:00 PM

Bender The Offender: vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.

You're such a lying, disingenuous piece of shiat. Let's get a few facts straight here.

1. "Drank" is not made with dxm. The "syrup" used to make drank is codeine/phenegran syrup. As a matter of fact, if you try to google your "watermelon lean" idiocy, the only thing that comes up are racist, right wing blog sites about this very case.

2. "Drank" is not made with watermelon anything. It is made with sprite.

3. "Drank" is not made with skittles at all. It's made with Jolly Ranchers.


4. The kid could have been huffing gold spraypaint for all it matters, unless he was breaking into someone's house to do it, there was zero reason to be confrontational towards him, and zero reason for anyone to have been shot.
 
2012-07-14 07:59:21 PM
Does no one remember that Zimmerman was specifically told NOT to pursue?

He's just a neighborhood watch dude, for fark's sake. His role in the whole situation should have ended when he called and reported that there was someone suspicious in the area.
 
2012-07-14 08:01:28 PM
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2012-07-14 08:05:49 PM

Crazy Hazy: Does no one remember that Zimmerman was specifically told NOT to pursue?

He's just a neighborhood watch dude, for fark's sake. His role in the whole situation should have ended when he called and reported that there was someone suspicious in the area.


Nutsac_Jim already explained this to us. The female 911 operator gave ambiguous, unclear instructions because she has breasts, a vagina and ovaries. Duh.
 
2012-07-14 08:20:40 PM
Wow. I only read the first page of comments on this thread and I have to go clean the sh*t off my boots. Ugh.
 
2012-07-14 08:24:55 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


Wow, have to wonder what kind of farked up childhood you had to marginalize women so much. 10-1 odds you and your father had "boundary" issues, he beat your mother and you continue that family tradition of repressed homosexuality and domestic violence to this day.
 
2012-07-14 08:32:45 PM

Bender The Offender: Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.

Wow, have to wonder what kind of farked up childhood you had to marginalize women so much. 10-1 odds you and your father had "boundary" issues, he beat your mother and you continue that family tradition of repressed homosexuality and domestic violence to this day.


Skittle Heroin is the only thing that can make that kind of pain go away.
 
2012-07-14 08:36:44 PM

gimmegimme: Crazy Hazy: Does no one remember that Zimmerman was specifically told NOT to pursue?

He's just a neighborhood watch dude, for fark's sake. His role in the whole situation should have ended when he called and reported that there was someone suspicious in the area.

Nutsac_Jim already explained this to us. The female 911 operator gave ambiguous, unclear instructions because she has breasts, a vagina and ovaries. Duh.


I thought it was odd he did that too as any of us that has had regular contact with women already knew it.
 
2012-07-14 08:53:23 PM

consider this: Taken that we have an eyewitness that saw TM on top, I'd say that's a real stretch.


About that:

A young mother identified as witness number 12 was originally unsure whether Zimmerman or Martin were on top of one another on the ground after the shooting. However, six days later she was definitive on Zimmerman being the one on top.

Source: Raw Story (http://s.tt/1d7Sm)
 
2012-07-14 09:00:57 PM
sharing.wptv.com

These are also not the pants of someone who was wrestling in the wet grass.

sharing.wptv.com
 
2012-07-14 09:13:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: What was suspicious about him exactly?

Has Zimmerman been able to prove what was suspicious about Martin yet?


Zimmerman lived there, Martin didn't. Therefor, Zimmerman saw a suspicious person ... not to mention, walking in between buildings, behind them, and also hid from Zimmerman.

But you knew that, right.

 
2012-07-14 09:17:58 PM

MagSeven: What was the last post you've made that doesn't involve a black person? Have you EVER made one?


yup. In the "New changes on Fark. Everybody panic" thread... I didn't blame the changes on blacks if that's where you were going with this.

Then before that in the "[Entertainment] Thirteen minute featurette for The Dark Knight Rises. No witty headline needed. Just watch it" thread...

 
2012-07-14 09:23:57 PM

DempseySR26: Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.

I know I can't wait to see black people burn their own neighborhoods down. I wonder if they'll be able to beat Chicago on the death meter during that time. It'll be hard. 20 people got shot to death there last weekend. I'll either be at work at sitting at home watching it on tv drinking some ice tea.


I live in Chicago, so I'm getting a kick out of this reply.

/I also keep a loaded gun on my night stand
//won't be need most likely. I live in a Mexican majority neighborhood. Not likely to be rioting around here.
 
2012-07-14 09:24:41 PM

cretinbob: [sharing.wptv.com image 319x480]

These are also not the pants of someone who was wrestling in the wet grass.

[sharing.wptv.com image 640x425]


Oh my goodness. How long was he in the hospital? With injuries like those, it must have been at least a couple weeks. How much reconstructive surgery will he have? Oh, and I hope the police gave him some spare pants. He can't go around wearing those stained, torn duds.
 
2012-07-14 09:32:17 PM

Mrtraveler01: This is a guy who used pictures of the G20 riots in Toronto as an example of a race riot.


wow... you're 5 for 5 in bringing that up in every thread. Move on dude... you are starting to repeat yourself.

cretinbob: These are also not the pants of someone who was wrestling in the wet grass.

sharing.wptv.com


Well, no. But considering Zimmerman never said they were wrestling in the grass what is your point? Zimmerman said he was knocked down and on his back... so we'll show a picture of the front of him to prove he wasn't wrestling around in the wet grass. Anyways... even pictures of his back he isn't wet... but since this all happened in a matter of probably less than minutes, I'm sure he dried off between the time the shot was fired & they got to taking pictures at the police station.

Which brings up the good question... why are there so many pictures? I thought one thing people were biatching about was that the police didn't do their job and investigate this?

some of you are stupid.

www.nypost.com

 
2012-07-14 09:33:55 PM
It's like Zimmerman hits the bedrock of the dumb hole, and then asks for a jackhammer.

Given the 'uncrackable code' he and his wife used, I'm not surprised this untapped well of legal prowess pulled another one. But, for a guy who claims the attention scares him, he's doing a damned fine job of brightening the spotlight.

And, after reading that blog about the whole 'drank' thing...I find it scary that people like this are free range breeders. I honestly can't believe the lengths people will go to just to elevate an asstard to 'hero' status.
 
2012-07-14 09:42:31 PM

vegasj: Mrtraveler01: This is a guy who used pictures of the G20 riots in Toronto as an example of a race riot.

wow... you're 5 for 5 in bringing that up in every thread. Move on dude... you are starting to repeat yourself.

cretinbob: These are also not the pants of someone who was wrestling in the wet grass.

sharing.wptv.com

Well, no. But considering Zimmerman never said they were wrestling in the grass what is your point? Zimmerman said he was knocked down and on his back... so we'll show a picture of the front of him to prove he wasn't wrestling around in the wet grass. Anyways... even pictures of his back he isn't wet... but since this all happened in a matter of probably less than minutes, I'm sure he dried off between the time the shot was fired & they got to taking pictures at the police station.

Which brings up the good question... why are there so many pictures? I thought one thing people were biatching about was that the police didn't do their job and investigate this?

some of you are stupid.

[www.nypost.com image 525x275]


Oh my goodness. He did NOT deserve that gaping wound. All he did was stalk and kill a guy. How long was he in the hospital? I would be worried about his skull being cracked and cranial swelling. There are MMA bouts that don't look that bad! Is Zimmerman walking normally yet? Has his speech returned to normal? Brain trauma that bad can really mess up the way you speak.
 
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