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2012-07-14 07:55:02 AM  
I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.
 
2012-07-14 08:12:48 AM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.


He's also a dumb lawyer, because he doesn't recognize how this is slowly building up a trail of entitlement. The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.
 
2012-07-14 08:35:02 AM  
If this were Law and Order, this motion would be denied swiftly and sternly with one bang of the gavel, a raised eyebrow, and a smart-ass answer on the part of the judge.
 
2012-07-14 09:33:13 AM  
Isn't this the judge whose daughter was a high school friend of Zimmerman's?
 
2012-07-14 09:34:55 AM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
Please, send more money because I need to buy a new judge.
 
2012-07-14 09:35:21 AM  
The more I see of the entitled alternate fantasy viewpoint this guy has, the more I'm convinced he did murder that kid in cold blood.

What a farking loon.
 
2012-07-14 09:36:01 AM  

missiv: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
Please, send more money because I need to buy a new judge.


Even for a murderer, that is an amazingly punchable face.
 
2012-07-14 09:36:35 AM  
i.imgur.com

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?
 
2012-07-14 09:37:05 AM  
Hmmm... Another Zimmerman thread.

I should make popcorn.
 
2012-07-14 09:37:42 AM  
If they had incriminating evidence evidence on me, I'd try to get it thrown out too.
 
2012-07-14 09:38:26 AM  

coco ebert: If this were Law and Order, this motion would be denied swiftly and sternly with one bang of the gavel, a raised eyebrow, and a smart-ass answer on the part of the judge.


DUN DUN....
 
2012-07-14 09:38:34 AM  

Grables'Daughter: I should make popcorn

gooey chocolate chip cookies.

I''m going to stand my ground here.
 
2012-07-14 09:39:28 AM  

Party Boy: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?


Wow.

30 seconds before me.

Can you read my mind?
 
2012-07-14 09:40:15 AM  

Grables'Daughter: Can you read my mind?


Go ahead, fart.
 
2012-07-14 09:40:49 AM  
Yes, Zimmerman is a dumbass but the judge has made some comments that would make anyone feel they would not be able to get a fair trial in front of him. The judge's colorful commentary regarding the bond hearing simply wasn't necessary. Some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and even judge's make stupid decisions. He should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, Zimmerman's lawyer will no doubt appeal.
 
2012-07-14 09:43:10 AM  
He needs to worry more about polluting his jury pool. At this point, are there twelve people left in Florida who don't have a preconceived opinion about this guy? Maybe they can transfer his trial to The Hague.
 
2012-07-14 09:43:21 AM  

chewielouie: Yes, Zimmerman is a dumbass but the judge has made some comments that would make anyone feel they would not be able to get a fair trial in front of him. The judge's colorful commentary regarding the bond hearing simply wasn't necessary. Some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and even judge's make stupid decisions. He should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, Zimmerman's lawyer will no doubt appeal.


What did the judge say?
 
2012-07-14 09:43:30 AM  
This judge will remove himself from the case....if not, he will be removed.

After the motion to recuse was received, he then made a ruling to release Zimmermans jail phone calls. That order is illegal...Florida law is specific....the judge cannot make a ruling until the recusal request is addressed. An appellate court will remove him

Its is quite possible this judge wrote such an insane Bond ruling so he could get removed from the case

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Of course, your retard Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal buttBots will lack the requisite 2 digit IQ to process this. I guess they will stock up on fuel and lighters so they can burn their hoods down
 
2012-07-14 09:45:07 AM  
O'Mara's motion argued the comment showed bias.

The courts tend to be biased this when you deliberately lie to them.
 
2012-07-14 09:45:09 AM  

Party Boy: Why does it always have to be about popcorn?


I'm trying out a six pack of derp lube

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-14 09:45:50 AM  

FriarReb98: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.

He's also a dumb lawyer, because he doesn't recognize how this is slowly building up a trail of entitlement. The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.


Not really dumb - just self-interested. The trial isn't going to be for a year, and between now and then, his lawyers can do all kinds of stuff like this to generate billable hours - which Zimmerman's fan club will pay them for. They wil judge-shop, venue-shop, jury-shop, and pull every other stalling and obfuscating tactic they can manage. And they'll get paid doing it.
And they are helping their client - delay and confusion are almost always the defendant's friends.
 
2012-07-14 09:46:19 AM  

Party Boy: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?


How about this?

www.butnotyet.com

Also, sure give him a new judge. Just for lulz, make it a black judge.
 
2012-07-14 09:46:50 AM  

DancingElkCondor: This judge will remove himself from the case....if not, he will be removed.

After the motion to recuse was received, he then made a ruling to release Zimmermans jail phone calls. That order is illegal...Florida law is specific....the judge cannot make a ruling until the recusal request is addressed. An appellate court will remove him

Its is quite possible this judge wrote such an insane Bond ruling so he could get removed from the case

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Of course, your retard Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal buttBots will lack the requisite 2 digit IQ to process this. I guess they will stock up on fuel and lighters so they can burn their hoods down


Account created 6-7-12. Nice of you to join us with your first FARK account, Mr. Not An Alt. Your incisive and reasoned opinion is what makes this site what it is.
 
2012-07-14 09:47:49 AM  

desolation15: Party Boy: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?

How about this?

[www.butnotyet.com image 240x200]

Also, sure give him a new judge. Just for lulz, make it a black judge.


Clarence Thomas?
 
2012-07-14 09:48:25 AM  

born_yesterday: DancingElkCondor: This judge will remove himself from the case....if not, he will be removed.

After the motion to recuse was received, he then made a ruling to release Zimmermans jail phone calls. That order is illegal...Florida law is specific....the judge cannot make a ruling until the recusal request is addressed. An appellate court will remove him

Its is quite possible this judge wrote such an insane Bond ruling so he could get removed from the case

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Of course, your retard Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal buttBots will lack the requisite 2 digit IQ to process this. I guess they will stock up on fuel and lighters so they can burn their hoods down

Account created 6-7-12. Nice of you to join us with your first FARK account, Mr. Not An Alt. Your incisive and reasoned opinion is what makes this site what it is.


3 brews shy of a 12 pack?
 
2012-07-14 09:49:34 AM  

Notabunny: Party Boy: Why does it always have to be about popcorn?

I'm trying out a six pack of derp lube

[img.photobucket.com image 400x319]


Breakfast of Champions, eh, Sport?
 
2012-07-14 09:53:01 AM  
The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public.


They must really like evidence
 
2012-07-14 09:53:43 AM  
The only thing I really know about this judge is he had Zimmerman's bail revoked after figuring out the dude had a website up asking for donations like 4 weeks after he posted bail. Seems fairly inept.
 
2012-07-14 09:56:11 AM  

born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?



My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent
 
2012-07-14 09:58:59 AM  
Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.
 
2012-07-14 09:59:51 AM  
I wonder how much money people would have given to Zimmerman's defense fund if he were black and Martin had been white/Hispanic.
 
2012-07-14 10:01:42 AM  
Notabunny: I'm trying out a six pack of derp lube

img.photobucket.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-14 10:02:50 AM  
FREE ZIMMERMANG
 
2012-07-14 10:03:09 AM  
According to an FBI report investigating whether race was a factor in the shooting of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, none of the dozens of people the FBI interviewed said shooter George Zimmerman is a racist. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

I like this at the very, very end... in smaller and lighter grey font.


WTG Lame Stream... still bias on reporting I see.


Too bad they don't mention anything about the arresting officer saying he was pressured to make an arrest even though his investigation showed self defense.
 
2012-07-14 10:04:37 AM  

desolation15: Party Boy: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?

How about this?

[www.butnotyet.com image 240x200]


In all seriousness, skittles tastes little different than colored sugar. Can't do it.
 
2012-07-14 10:04:46 AM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.


How has he proven to be a liar, the PayPal fund? The judge seems like he has to prove he's in charge of your life, its not like the case is airtight anyway.

But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him, I definitely think they are biased against him and will let evidence in they normally wouldn't just to get a conviction in an election year.
 
2012-07-14 10:05:52 AM  

FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent


Hmmmmm, I think you guys are on to something. 9brews-like typing detected. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so tactful in my above posting.
 
2012-07-14 10:06:30 AM  
Must be a slow news day for mainstream media.

I've decided that I'll just wait for the trial before I make a decision.

Having said that, a glance of the article says that it is his lawyer making the request and not GZ but personally if I were in the slammer and whoever was picked judge was making biased statements against me I'd kinda want him out of there too.
 
2012-07-14 10:09:35 AM  
For what it is worth and independent of his judgement, I judge this guy to be a complete idiot.
 
2012-07-14 10:10:03 AM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.


He isn't. But when the judge, public, President of the US have already condemned you, it can be tough to get a fair trial.

Liberals are evil, you want to punish a guy for defending himself. News at 11:00. Christ, you guys don't even want him to get a fair trial. What is wrong with you people?
 
2012-07-14 10:10:32 AM  
Perhaps Zimmerman wants his daddy, Judge Zimmerman, a retired Virginia magistrate, to be the trial judge. It's not like he killed anyone.

This is why Disney World© tries to protect visitors from Florida. It's really not part of Florida.
 
2012-07-14 10:11:20 AM  
Is this Zimmerman going to turn out to be some kind of troll who is trying to make a point about our justice system, the media, something? I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone who is potentially in as much trouble as he is could be too stupid to just sit the fark down and shut the fark up.
 
2012-07-14 10:11:42 AM  

Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.


No apologies for the last line. With all the evidence released the past few days....you have to be a retard to still believe Zimmerman is a racist who hunted down Trayvon Martin. And, yes, pretty much, the only people still supporting Trayvon are Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals

And, Fox News is just as pro Trayvon propaganda than the rest of them....so it is not so much a left-right thing. Also, you have a GOP governor and a GOP Florida atty general pushing the case. I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

And, yes, this judge will be removed. His choice will be: A. On His Own OR B. By law enforcement when he disobeys a higher court order.
 
2012-07-14 10:12:03 AM  

steamingpile:
How has he proven to be a liar, the PayPal account?


How is his wife up for perjury? Where did that undisclosed passport magically appear from?
 
2012-07-14 10:13:14 AM  

ZombiesYall: Is this Zimmerman going to turn out to be some kind of troll who is trying to make a point about our justice system, the media, something? I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone who is potentially in as much trouble as he is could be too stupid to just sit the fark down and shut the fark up.


Naw, he really seems to be this stupid. that might have something to do with with why that kid ended up dead.
 
2012-07-14 10:13:23 AM  

Party Boy: desolation15: Party Boy: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

Why does it always have to be about popcorn?

How about this?

[www.butnotyet.com image 240x200]


In all seriousness, skittles tastes little different than colored sugar. Can't do it.


You got a problem with colored sugar? Maybe white is more preferable?
 
2012-07-14 10:14:28 AM  
Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....
 
2012-07-14 10:16:18 AM  

vegasj: According to an FBI report investigating whether race was a factor in the shooting of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, none of the dozens of people the FBI interviewed said shooter George Zimmerman is a racist. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

I like this at the very, very end... in smaller and lighter grey font.


WTG Lame Stream... still bias on reporting I see.


Too bad they don't mention anything about the arresting officer saying he was pressured to make an arrest even though his investigation showed self defense.


So far only the Miami Herald has reported the allegation from Det Chris Serino that he was pressured by Black officers in the SPD to make an arrest.

Later discovered, one of the black SPD officers was a buddy of Tracy Martin...Trayvon's dad

Looks like this case is beginning to unravel for the prosecution.
 
2012-07-14 10:18:03 AM  
DancingElkCondor Six-pack and a half.
 
2012-07-14 10:18:35 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Later discovered, one of the black SPD officers was a buddy of Tracy Martin...Trayvon's dad

Looks like this case is beginning to unravel for the prosecution.


Yea, no bias here... what a crock. And they should remove that POS Angela Cory too.

 
2012-07-14 10:19:09 AM  

cryinoutloud: ZombiesYall: Is this Zimmerman going to turn out to be some kind of troll who is trying to make a point about our justice system, the media, something? I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone who is potentially in as much trouble as he is could be too stupid to just sit the fark down and shut the fark up.

Naw, he really seems to be this stupid. that might have something to do with with why that kid ended up dead.


The hoodie shot the kid, GZ was trying to protect him. Its the truth, I sware.
 
2012-07-14 10:19:15 AM  

anotar: Must be a slow news day for mainstream media.

I've decided that I'll just wait for the trial before I make a decision.

Having said that, a glance of the article says that it is his lawyer making the request and not GZ but personally if I were in the slammer and whoever was picked judge was making biased statements against me I'd kinda want him out of there too.


If you can read the entire document on line...there is an affadavit signed by Zimmerman that this is "his request". His attorneys file it on his behalf
 
2012-07-14 10:21:37 AM  
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2012-07-14 10:23:23 AM  

clowncar on fire: You got a problem with colored sugar? Maybe white is more preferable?


it is certainly a problem in society how the brown and the white sugar is separated. Theres articles disgustingly asking if Brown Sugar is Better than White Sugar

The segregation also occurs within the brown sugar community.
i.imgur.comi.imgur.com

Its a concern
 
2012-07-14 10:23:35 AM  
If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.
 
2012-07-14 10:24:56 AM  

Kevin72: FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent

Hmmmmm, I think you guys are on to something. 9brews-like typing detected. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so tactful in my above posting.


Hint: If you can only post the "Date and Time" someone became a member of a website....you have probably maxed the use of your critical thinking skills.
 
2012-07-14 10:26:56 AM  
To hell with this thread. I'm going see if there's a boobie thread going on somewhere and if not, I'm going to get my bbq pit going.
 
2012-07-14 10:27:47 AM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.
That being said if I were the judge I'd be happy to pass it off to someone else.

Of course they'll whine about the next judge too.

If he isn't guilty, he should stop acting that way.


"O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer."

You said "lawyer" twice...
 
2012-07-14 10:29:35 AM  

vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....


Good one.....

And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea

They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility
 
2012-07-14 10:33:42 AM  
Put a farking bullet in his head.

Just like he did to a farking child.

eye for an eye biatch. It is Gods chosen way.

I am sick of hearing this zimmerman crap. The man is a scumbag, hes a murderer, and he deserves to die. We have 8 BILLION people on this planet, we can get rid of this one.
 
2012-07-14 10:33:45 AM  

DancingElkCondor: This judge will remove himself from the case....if not, he will be removed.

After the motion to recuse was received, he then made a ruling to release Zimmermans jail phone calls. That order is illegal...Florida law is specific....the judge cannot make a ruling until the recusal request is addressed. An appellate court will remove him

Its is quite possible this judge wrote such an insane Bond ruling so he could get removed from the case

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Of course, your retard Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal buttBots will lack the requisite 2 digit IQ to process this. I guess they will stock up on fuel and lighters so they can burn their hoods down


Oh wow.
There's no hope for you.
 
2012-07-14 10:33:47 AM  
On another Zimmerman story earlier in the week, this online ad fail happened-notice the Skittles ad in the top corner-took this screen shot of it:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-14 10:34:20 AM  

DancingElkCondor: And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea


I am confused.

I don't see how the kind of drink he had would be at all relevant, or why anyone would try to change what type of drink he had.

What am I missing, please?
 
2012-07-14 10:34:35 AM  

vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....


You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.
 
2012-07-14 10:35:23 AM  

ravenlore: If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.


What the hell are you talking about? He hasn't waived his right to a trial by jury.
 
2012-07-14 10:36:18 AM  

Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.


No he wasn't so you're probably his alt.
 
2012-07-14 10:36:43 AM  
The treehouse morons have lost faith in O'Mara. That means that he has to throw them a bone if he wants get paid. If this motion is denied then that is also a good excuse for the fact that there won't be a SYG hearing.
 
2012-07-14 10:37:15 AM  

vegasj: DancingElkCondor: Later discovered, one of the black SPD officers was a buddy of Tracy Martin...Trayvon's dad

Looks like this case is beginning to unravel for the prosecution.

Yea, no bias here... what a crock. And they should remove that POS Angela Cory too.


The governor and the state atty general selected her to do the case....so they can remove her, too

Cases can take a long time to make their way to trial. Both the governor and AG are up for election in 2014...and they cannot have this case still around by then....their own party's voters will run them out. You will then see pressure from them to remove Corey and drop the case

If Lester does not remove himself.....it could be 4 to 6 months before the judge's recusal makes it to the appelate court....and nothing happens in the case until they rule
 
2012-07-14 10:38:23 AM  

vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....


The fark am a reading?
 
2012-07-14 10:39:42 AM  

ravenlore: If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.


Problem is we need a decision about the fight between him and Trayvon. Not about his finances or whether the media feels SYG is something to crusade against. What Msnbc or zims wife does aren't a part of this.

If the judge is going to make this about Paypal instead of the shooting, that would be a bad thing.
 
2012-07-14 10:40:08 AM  

Party Boy: Grables'Daughter: I should make popcorn gooey chocolate chip cookies.

I''m going to stand my ground here.


How about oatmeal raisin? They're whole wheat so we can pretend they're good for us!

1 cup melted butter (two sticks)
2 cups packed dark brown sugar
1 teaspoon baking powder
½ teaspoon baking soda
2 eggs
2 tablespoons molasses
1 tablespoons milk
2 cups whole wheat flour
2 cups rolled oats (not instant)
1lb raisins

Beat butter with mixer on medium for 30 seconds. Add brown sugar, baking soda and baking powder. Beat till combined. Add eggs, molasses and milk. Beat till combined. Add whole wheat flour, oats and raisins. Mix by hand till combined.

Drop tablespoon sized pieces on un-greased cookie sheet and bake @ 350 degrees Fahrenheit for 14 minutes
 
2012-07-14 10:40:41 AM  

vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....


Wow. Your JD in Law & Order is terrible.
 
2012-07-14 10:41:30 AM  

ravenlore: If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.


Note that Zimmerman has only had a bail hearing so far.....there has yet to be any pre-trial hearings or evidentiary rulings. It is stilll way early.....so early that we have not yet got to a point where Zim gets to ask for a jury trial or not.

There is still a looong way to go
 
2012-07-14 10:41:40 AM  

DancingElkCondor: ood one.....
And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea
They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility


www.moviegoods.com
 
2012-07-14 10:43:32 AM  

DancingElkCondor: They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility


To be fair, neither the media nor Martin are on trial. Zimmerman's credibility is the only one in question before the court. And he's done a tremendous job of undermining it.
 
2012-07-14 10:44:48 AM  

Bontesla: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

Wow. Your JD in Law & Order is terrible.


'Round these parts, we typically use "GED in Law", as an homage to the beloved troll and/or moron who claimed to have one.
 
2012-07-14 10:45:11 AM  

DancingElkCondor: this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman


So it looked like it was turning around for Zimmerman, but ended up going the same way it had been in the first place?

/What, did the UCFRoadWarrior alt get banned?
 
2012-07-14 10:45:14 AM  

Grables'Daughter: DancingElkCondor: And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea

I am confused.

I don't see how the kind of drink he had would be at all relevant, or why anyone would try to change what type of drink he had.

What am I missing, please?


Negro watermelon stereotype.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/question/may08/

Tardboy here may as well be saying he had White Women flavoured Skittles and saying how the one thing you knew he didn't buy "steal" from the store was Aspirin, cause he wouldn't want to pick the cotton out.
 
2012-07-14 10:45:53 AM  

Grables'Daughter: DancingElkCondor: And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea

I am confused.

I don't see how the kind of drink he had would be at all relevant, or why anyone would try to change what type of drink he had.

What am I missing, please?


The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too
 
2012-07-14 10:46:17 AM  

cryinoutloud: DancingElkCondor: ood one.....
And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea
They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility

[www.moviegoods.com image 380x652]


That movie royally sucked.
 
2012-07-14 10:46:30 AM  

Bontesla: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No he wasn't so you're probably his alt.


No. I'm convinced now that dancingelkcondor is 9beers and have him on ignore. I realize I fell for the trolling but for his last paragraph screed.
 
2012-07-14 10:47:30 AM  

cryinoutloud: DancingElkCondor: ood one.....
And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea
They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility

[www.moviegoods.com image 380x652]


That was a great flick.
 
2012-07-14 10:50:12 AM  

Mi-5: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.


There has not been a hearing as to whether those calls are relevant...or evidentiary. One of the calls supposedly claims Zim was a racist...when of course, the FBI pretty much cleared him of that.

What will really get the judge in trouble is that he made the ruling AFTER the request for recusal came in....a no no in Florida law. This judge willl be overruled in an appelate court
 
2012-07-14 10:53:22 AM  
Neither the defense nor the prosecutor can profit by their own error.
 
2012-07-14 10:54:31 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent

Hmmmmm, I think you guys are on to something. 9brews-like typing detected. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so tactful in my above posting.

Hint: If you can only post the "Date and Time" someone became a member of a website....you have probably maxed the use of your critical thinking skills.


No, it wasn't the date and time. It was the 9beers-like typing detected. It took just one threadshiat by 9beers before I had him, I mean you on ignore. We get it. You hate gays and blacks and will threadshiat so that we can all smell it.
 
2012-07-14 10:55:47 AM  

Tainted1: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

The fark am a reading?


I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.
 
2012-07-14 10:56:51 AM  

chewielouie: ravenlore: If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.

What the hell are you talking about? He hasn't waived his right to a trial by jury.


My bad, obvs. i sincerely thought the process was much further along that it actually is.Thank you for the correction.

That said, dumbass still should just keep his mouth, and mouth/s of his attorney/s shut. The pathetic excuse for an investigation will let him walk.
 
2012-07-14 10:58:57 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: DancingElkCondor: They lie about Zimmerman being "racist"....heck they lie about the drink Trayvon was carrying when he was shot...and they worry about Zimmerman's credibility

To be fair, neither the media nor Martin are on trial. Zimmerman's credibility is the only one in question before the court. And he's done a tremendous job of undermining it.


Actually, when Martin's "handlers" started claiming he was a "good boy" and showed photos of him when he was a little 12 yr old boy......of course we know now that it was not the truth. His handlers pretty much "opened the door" to let his credibility come into the trial.

The prosecution cannot go into trial, claim that Tray was a perfect kid, and then whine when his "No Limit N--" Facebook acct is used to challenge that claim

Also, it is a lot easier to get into evidence the background of a victim, than it is the background of a defendant. For example: We would not need rape-shield laws in rape cases, to protect rape victims, if getting in negative evidence on a victim was difficult. TV lawyers who claim otherwise should be disbarred
 
2012-07-14 11:01:09 AM  

DancingElkCondor: he was a little 12 yr old boy......of course we know now that it was not the truth.


You're right. He was never 12 years old. He skipped straight from 11 to 13. Good thing Zimmerman killed him; a wizard that powerful could spell trouble in the future.
 
2012-07-14 11:01:44 AM  
I sense white knuckles and clenched anuses in this thread. Carry on.
 
2012-07-14 11:04:48 AM  

Kevin72: DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent

Hmmmmm, I think you guys are on to something. 9brews-like typing detected. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so tactful in my above posting.

Hint: If you can only post the "Date and Time" someone became a member of a website....you have probably maxed the use of your critical thinking skills.

No, it wasn't the date and time. It was the 9beers-like typing detected. It took just one threadshiat by 9beers before I had him, I mean you on ignore. We get it. You hate gays and blacks and will threadshiat so that we can all smell it.


And, these people just prove my point that it is retards who still support the "Zimmerman is a racist/St Trayvon nonsense.

Dude, I do not know who or what a "9beers" is. I do, know, that, Trayvon Martin's dad was once in the Crips....Crips all Time
 
2012-07-14 11:06:39 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Mi-5: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.

There has not been a hearing as to whether those calls are relevant...or evidentiary. One of the calls supposedly claims Zim was a racist...when of course, the FBI pretty much cleared him of that.

What will really get the judge in trouble is that he made the ruling AFTER the request for recusal came in....a no no in Florida law. This judge willl be overruled in an appelate court


And that's the point, but obviously it went over your head.

The judge releasing transcripts of the phone calls is not evidence, it's state property. There has been no determination that they are relevant, because there hasn't been a hearing to determine it. So the judge can order them released until it is determined it is evidence, which is why it likely won't be ruled an abuse of discretion by the judge.

Next: the FBI can't clear you of anything. They can only say "we haven't found evidence of his being a racist" and the prosecution can provide evidence that Zimmerman is a racist. The FBI, as soon as they walk into the courtroom are just like everyone else: witnesses. And they can be rebutted. Just because the FBI said so won't clear him of anything.

As it is, there is no crime of being a "racist," but it will certainly weigh heavily on Zimmerman's credibility. So, the FBI "clearing" him, as you say, means jack shiat in a courtroom is another witness(es) say that he is.
 
2012-07-14 11:06:45 AM  

Kevin72: Bontesla: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No he wasn't so you're probably his alt.

No. I'm convinced now that dancingelkcondor is 9beers and have him on ignore. I realize I fell for the trolling but for his last paragraph screed.


You agreed with his trolled message which either means you're a troll (maybe his alt) or you're ignorant. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-07-14 11:08:03 AM  
I see UCFKKKWarrior is working on getting his next alt banned, but at least we'll still have vegaskkk around to keep searching for Kyle.
 
2012-07-14 11:09:01 AM  

steamingpile:
But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him...


It doesn't seem to be the anti-gun crowd as much as the anti-murder crowd.
 
2012-07-14 11:09:29 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: DancingElkCondor: he was a little 12 yr old boy......of course we know now that it was not the truth.

You're right. He was never 12 years old. He skipped straight from 11 to 13. Good thing Zimmerman killed him; a wizard that powerful could spell trouble in the future.


I laughed so much harder than acceptable. Now I feel shame.
 
2012-07-14 11:11:13 AM  

Mi-5: DancingElkCondor: Mi-5: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.

There has not been a hearing as to whether those calls are relevant...or evidentiary. One of the calls supposedly claims Zim was a racist...when of course, the FBI pretty much cleared him of that.

What will really get the judge in trouble is that he made the ruling AFTER the request for recusal came in....a no no in Florida law. This judge willl be overruled in an appelate court

And that's the point, but obviously it went over your head.

The judge releasing transcripts of the phone calls is not evidence, it's state property. There has been no determination that they are relevant, because there hasn't been a hearing to determine it. So the judge can order them released until it is determined it is evidence, which is why it likely won't be ruled an abuse of discretion by the judge.

Next: the FBI can't clear you of anything. They can only say "we haven't found evidence of his being a racist" and the prosecution can provide evidence that Zimmerman is a racist. The FBI, as soon as they walk into the courtroom are just like everyone else: witnesses. And they can be rebutted. Just because the FBI said so won't clear him of anything.

As it is, there is no crime of being a "racist," but it will certainly weigh heavily on Zimmerman's credibility. So, the FBI "clearing" him, as you say, means jack shiat in a courtroom is another witness(es) say that he is.


Wow, that was so intelligible, I feel like you're new here.
 
2012-07-14 11:14:15 AM  

DancingElkCondor:
And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea


Did he wear white gloves and sing "Mammy" too, accompanied on a dog whistle?
 
2012-07-14 11:14:32 AM  

FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent


Well he hasn't done any Jew bashing which would rule out DavidVincent.
 
2012-07-14 11:14:53 AM  

Mi-5: You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.


If they are relevant to the shooting, sure.

But not about bail and $. They are looking at other ways to bust Z because they know the shiatty arrest & "evidence" they will not get their precious murder 2 conviction.

STFU? Is that what you want facts to do? STFU?

 
2012-07-14 11:17:00 AM  

bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.


Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.

 
2012-07-14 11:21:13 AM  

Mi-5: DancingElkCondor: Mi-5: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.

There has not been a hearing as to whether those calls are relevant...or evidentiary. One of the calls supposedly claims Zim was a racist...when of course, the FBI pretty much cleared him of that.

What will really get the judge in trouble is that he made the ruling AFTER the request for recusal came in....a no no in Florida law. This judge willl be overruled in an appelate court

And that's the point, but obviously it went over your head.

The judge releasing transcripts of the phone calls is not evidence, it's state property. There has been no determination that they are relevant, because there hasn't been a hearing to determine it. So the judge can order them released until it is determined it is evidence, which is why it likely won't be ruled an abuse of discretion by the judge.

Next: the FBI can't clear you of anything. They can only say "we haven't found evidence of his being a racist" and the prosecution can provide evidence that Zimmerman is a racist. The FBI, as soon as they walk into the courtroom are just like everyone else: witnesses. And they can be rebutted. Just because the FBI said so won't clear him of anything.

As it is, there is no crime of being a "racist," but it will certainly weigh heavily on Zimmerman's credibility. So, the FBI "clearing" him, as you say, means jack shiat in a courtroom is another witness(es) say that he is.


If the prosecution makes it into a trial of "Zimmerman is a racist".....Zims attorneys will bring in everyone who gave statements that Zim is not a racist. In fact, a good number of the people who stated Zim is not racist are potential prosecution witnesses.....

The jailhouse calls will definitely be submitted as evidence by the prosecution. They have no choice, because they have no other evidence. Every bit of evidence shows that Zim is INNOCENT of any crime. The judge released them because of the recusal submission.

But, hey, you can nocturnal emission that Zim is a racist all you want. Maybe even count how many beers I have
 
2012-07-14 11:22:13 AM  
So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.
 
2012-07-14 11:23:22 AM  

Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.


Derp
 
2012-07-14 11:25:18 AM  

vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.


And your arguments are complete "ass" because there is no relevance to the type of drink that he had, watermelon or iced tea.

As soon as O'Mara even thinks about asking a question about the type of drink Trayvon Martin had, the prosecution will object, and the judge will sustain it on the grounds of relevance. And if he tried to explain it, the judge will likely excuse the members, have a discussion of relevancy with the government and defense counsel and ask him pointed questions as to why he believes the kind of drink Martin had is, in any way, relevant. O'Mara won't be able to, the judge will tell him that he is not to even think about that line of questioning.

Oh and I know you know that my "STFU" was directed squarely at you, and I do so again.

But I know you won't so, your move.

Please try to inject whatever garbage argument you have or will concoct that won't have a prayer of saving your saint George Zimmerman. The prosecution may not get the Murder 2, but they will likely prevail on the LIOs.
 
2012-07-14 11:25:26 AM  

ravenlore: chewielouie: ravenlore: If Zimmerman had kept his mouth shut and gone for a jury trial, he'd have walked. Everyone knows the "investigation" was...not conducted well.

But no, he goes with trial by judge, hides a passport and a Paypal and whatever else he's done lately. He almost acts like he's guilty or something.

What the hell are you talking about? He hasn't waived his right to a trial by jury.

My bad, obvs. i sincerely thought the process was much further along that it actually is.Thank you for the correction.

That said, dumbass still should just keep his mouth, and mouth/s of his attorney/s shut. The pathetic excuse for an investigation will let him walk.


Agreed, he's a dumbass. But there is no way he has a chance winning a Stand Your Ground hearing in front of this judge. The judge, IMO, has tipped his hand that he has it in for Zimmerman. This was a no brainer move by Zimmerman's attorney.
 
2012-07-14 11:26:28 AM  

Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice being black is a crime punishable by death.


Those two are our resident Stormfront Action Squad. Or however its pronounced in the original German.
 
2012-07-14 11:26:38 AM  

vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.


Exactly

And, when they got TrayDad's Crips tattoo covered up. You can see it on his neck in photos during the Million Hoodie March....and then covered up with "praying hands" at the Obama meeting

WC Fields once said: "There is a sucker born every minute". Just think if Trayvon Martin supporters were around then......
 
2012-07-14 11:28:09 AM  

Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.


Yeah! Because he was hopped up on drugs! Or trying to make drugs!

I mean, he was black and he started making trouble in the neighborhood. He got in one little fight and George got scared...

/can't even manage a straight face.
//the contradictions in Zimmerman's statements/re-enactment alone with the physical evidence that was acquired is enough for the prosecution to have a pretty decent case for a start.
 
2012-07-14 11:28:21 AM  

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SHOOT HIM!
 
2012-07-14 11:30:17 AM  

Bontesla: Kevin72: Bontesla: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No he wasn't so you're probably his alt.

No. I'm convinced now that dancingelkcondor is 9beers and have him on ignore. I realize I fell for the trolling but for his last paragraph screed.

You agreed with his trolled message which either means you're a troll (maybe his alt) or you're ignorant. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.


I plead ignorant. I was fooled. I wasn't agreeing per se so much as saying that he was making sense before going insane with hate for liberals.
 
2012-07-14 11:30:53 AM  
I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free, and then make millions off TV, book, and movie deals
 
2012-07-14 11:31:24 AM  

HeartlineTwist: Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.

Yeah! Because he was hopped up on drugs! Or trying to make drugs!

I mean, he was black and he started making trouble in the neighborhood. He got in one little fight and George got scared...

/can't even manage a straight face.
//the contradictions in Zimmerman's statements/re-enactment alone with the physical evidence that was acquired is enough for the prosecution to have a pretty decent case for a start.


Obviously, you have no clue what is going on in this case.

How many beers do I have?
 
2012-07-14 11:32:11 AM  

Kome: O'Mara's motion argued the comment showed bias.

The courts tend to be biased this when you deliberately lie to them.


As the accused he has the right to a fair trial. Which he cannot get if the court is biased against him
 
2012-07-14 11:32:31 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free


The guy can't keep his stories straight and is already on record as lying to the farking judge. I'm not saying there's going to be a guilty verdict, but...
 
2012-07-14 11:35:43 AM  

Grables'Daughter: chewielouie: Yes, Zimmerman is a dumbass but the judge has made some comments that would make anyone feel they would not be able to get a fair trial in front of him. The judge's colorful commentary regarding the bond hearing simply wasn't necessary. Some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and even judge's make stupid decisions. He should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, Zimmerman's lawyer will no doubt appeal.

What did the judge say?


he said that Zimmerman and his wife committing perjury about their hidden finances and his hidden 2nd passport proved that he tried to flout the system and was a possible flight risk as a reason for raising his bail.
 
2012-07-14 11:35:44 AM  

HeartlineTwist: Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.

Yeah! Because he was hopped up on drugs! Or trying to make drugs!

I mean, he was black and he started making trouble in the neighborhood. He got in one little fight and George got scared...

/can't even manage a straight face.
//the contradictions in Zimmerman's statements/re-enactment alone with the physical evidence that was acquired is enough for the prosecution to have a pretty decent case for a start.


In my day, we used to send kids involved in trouble to Bel Air.
 
2012-07-14 11:36:47 AM  

Kevin72: Bontesla: Kevin72: Bontesla: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No he wasn't so you're probably his alt.

No. I'm convinced now that dancingelkcondor is 9beers and have him on ignore. I realize I fell for the trolling but for his last paragraph screed.

You agreed with his trolled message which either means you're a troll (maybe his alt) or you're ignorant. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I plead ignorant. I was fooled. I wasn't agreeing per se so much as saying that he was making sense before going insane with hate for liberals.


Ah. Sorry if I seemed overly aggressive.
I haven't had coffee.
 
2012-07-14 11:40:16 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The guy can't keep his stories straight...


Citation needed.

So far every bit of evidence released has debunked claims made against him. It wasn't Martin yelling for help. Zimmerman received injuries to his head. Martin was the one on top punching him. Hell, Zimmerman's accusers couldn't even get his race correct at first.

At what point when all your claims get debunked do you back off the accusations and take a "wait and see" attitude? Seriously, at what point will it become too embarrassing to continue making mistakes?
 
2012-07-14 11:40:21 AM  

Mi-5: DancingElkCondor: Mi-5: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

You are an idiot. Jailhouse phone calls are ALWAYS evidence if they are relevant. There is no right to privacy in a jailhouse phone call.

STFU.

There has not been a hearing as to whether those calls are relevant...or evidentiary. One of the calls supposedly claims Zim was a racist...when of course, the FBI pretty much cleared him of that.

What will really get the judge in trouble is that he made the ruling AFTER the request for recusal came in....a no no in Florida law. This judge willl be overruled in an appelate court

And that's the point, but obviously it went over your head.

The judge releasing transcripts of the phone calls is not evidence, it's state property. There has been no determination that they are relevant, because there hasn't been a hearing to determine it. So the judge can order them released until it is determined it is evidence, which is why it likely won't be ruled an abuse of discretion by the judge.

Next: the FBI can't clear you of anything. They can only say "we haven't found evidence of his being a racist" and the prosecution can provide evidence that Zimmerman is a racist. The FBI, as soon as they walk into the courtroom are just like everyone else: witnesses. And they can be rebutted. Just because the FBI said so won't clear him of anything.

As it is, there is no crime of being a "racist," but it will certainly weigh heavily on Zimmerman's credibility. So, the FBI "clearing" him, as you say, means jack shiat in a courtroom is another witness(es) say that he is.


I thought that the involvement of the FBI was to determine whether or not a thought crime (hate crime) occurred...which would be prosecuted federally, I believe.

So being a racist IS a crime...sort of.
 
2012-07-14 11:42:48 AM  
I just passed Sanford on I-4 so I'm getting a kick.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-14 11:44:46 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free, and then make millions off TV, book, and movie deals


Zim is probably going to make millions suing people like Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, Darryl Parks, Al Sharpton, The Orlando Sentinel, Sanford Police Dept...anyone who claimed he was a "racist" and murdered Trayvon Martin. Oh its gonna be fun when he gets the Black Racists in a court room.

These people who claimed Zim was "racist" blew any chance of winning a judgement in civil court against Zim. They slandered him so much they have no credibility
 
2012-07-14 11:44:48 AM  

Mrbogey: Citation needed.


Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.
 
2012-07-14 11:46:22 AM  
Hiya trolls -
Just one little point re your little buddy Trayvon. His father was and is a crip? WOW!!! Is being a crip something that one is born? He has crip tattoos? WOW, was he born with those too? Or is it like being a Libertarian which my stepfather chooses to be since the Republicans pissed him off., Strangely enough, nobody else in the family is Libertarian.

//Relevance? Father is a crip? So what.
 
2012-07-14 11:46:24 AM  

Mrbogey: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The guy can't keep his stories straight...

Citation needed.

So far every bit of evidence released has debunked claims made against him. It wasn't Martin yelling for help. Zimmerman received injuries to his head. Martin was the one on top punching him. Hell, Zimmerman's accusers couldn't even get his race correct at first.

At what point when all your claims get debunked do you back off the accusations and take a "wait and see" attitude? Seriously, at what point will it become too embarrassing to continue making mistakes?


Oh, the statement involving where Martin's body was/where the fight occurred was in comparison to where the body was actually found.

Or Zimmerman having a left handed holster on the wrong side of his body and drawing it with his right hand per his re-enactment. (In other words, had Zimmerman drawn his gun from a left handed holster that was on his right side with his right hand like he did, the gun would have been upside down when he fired it.
 
2012-07-14 11:48:38 AM  

HeartlineTwist: Oh, the statement involving where Martin's body was/where the fight occurred was in comparison to where the body was actually found.

Or Zimmerman having a left handed holster on the wrong side of his body and drawing it with his right hand per his re-enactment. (In other words, had Zimmerman drawn his gun from a left handed holster that was on his right side with his right hand like he did, the gun would have been upside down when he fired it.


I've been slow on the news, I didn't even catch these. The left-handed holster doesn't even make any sense, were they out of right-handed ones when he bought his gun?
 
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2012-07-14 11:51:31 AM  
Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.

How strange to see so many ignore his rights.
 
2012-07-14 11:51:58 AM  

DancingElkCondor: These people who claimed Zim was "racist"


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But Zim is racist. He hates those filthy "hoo-mans"
 
2012-07-14 11:53:03 AM  

Arcanum: Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.

How strange to see so many ignore his rights.


People are racist against latinos. It's as simple as that.
 
2012-07-14 11:53:07 AM  

Arcanum: Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.


Well maybe he shouldn't have lied to the judge.
 
2012-07-14 11:53:31 AM  

Arcanum: Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.

How strange to see so many ignore his rights.


What makes the current judge impartial?

/just a citizen asking questions sir!
 
2012-07-14 11:53:52 AM  

Evil Canadian: Hiya trolls -
Just one little point re your little buddy Trayvon. His father was and is a crip? WOW!!! Is being a crip something that one is born? He has crip tattoos? WOW, was he born with those too? Or is it like being a Libertarian which my stepfather chooses to be since the Republicans pissed him off., Strangely enough, nobody else in the family is Libertarian.

//Relevance? Father is a crip? So what.


Ask Benjamin Crump about that. i believe he was the one who thought it was important to cover that Crips tat with a "praying hands" tat.

If they plan to sue anyone over TM death, they will have to answer that...esp if they attack Zims character.
 
2012-07-14 11:54:41 AM  

Raharu: Arcanum: Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.

How strange to see so many ignore his rights.

What makes the current judge impartial?

/just a citizen asking questions sir!


derp... What Makes the current judge NOT impartial?

FTFMS
 
2012-07-14 11:56:54 AM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else. Zimmerman has proven to be a liar, and O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer.


I agree with you that Zimmerman has destroyed his credibility by manipulating the system. I'm not sure why you say O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer. From what I've seen, he's advocated for Zimmerman ethically and competently both in the court and in the press. We'll never know for sure, but I'm reasonably confident O'Mara prevailed upon Zimmerman to come forward about the bank account and the passport.

So what's your basis for saying O'Mara has proven to be a sleazeball lawyer? Just curious.
 
2012-07-14 11:58:22 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free, and then make millions off TV, book, and movie deals


I doubt it. He might very well go free, thanks to that retarded law. But he's not a well-liked person--not interesting, not smart, not even a good victim, since he's the guy who had the gun. He'll make about as much money off his story as Casey Anthony has--someone who also went free, then everyone just wished she would just go away.

Our capacity for muck-raking is infinite. But we only want to be dragged through the muck by someone we like.
 
2012-07-14 11:59:39 AM  

Raharu: derp... What Makes the current judge NOT impartial?


This remark makes me confident that one of two propositions must be true:

1) you are trolling, or
2) you are a lobotomy patient.

In this context, the onus is clearly on Zimmerman and his supporters to establish that the judge is impartial. That he made findings of fact and conclusions of law you don't like isn't evidence for that proposition.
 
2012-07-14 11:59:57 AM  

DancingElkCondor: This judge will remove himself from the case....if not, he will be removed.

After the motion to recuse was received, he then made a ruling to release Zimmermans jail phone calls. That order is illegal...Florida law is specific....the judge cannot make a ruling until the recusal request is addressed. An appellate court will remove him

Its is quite possible this judge wrote such an insane Bond ruling so he could get removed from the case

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Of course, your retard Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal buttBots will lack the requisite 2 digit IQ to process this. I guess they will stock up on fuel and lighters so they can burn their hoods down


Meh, 3/10
 
2012-07-14 12:00:27 PM  

Raharu: Arcanum: Zimmerman is absolutely right to request an impartial judge, which he pretty plainly doesn't have right now.

How strange to see so many ignore his rights.

What makes the current judge impartial?

/just a citizen asking questions sir!


The judge is making judgements directly related to the charges on the defendant.....in a bail ruling....when the prosecution's own evidence clearly demonstrates Zim is INNOCENT of the charges

The also encourages the defense to go for additional charges on Zim....in a bail ruling

That is not impartial....and, his decision is not even based on fact

The judge also released more evidence AFTER the recusal request was submitted. Not allowed in Florida law. If the judge does not remove himself....he will be removed by a higher court
 
2012-07-14 12:01:42 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Evil Canadian: Hiya trolls -
Just one little point re your little buddy Trayvon. His father was and is a crip? WOW!!! Is being a crip something that one is born? He has crip tattoos? WOW, was he born with those too? Or is it like being a Libertarian which my stepfather chooses to be since the Republicans pissed him off., Strangely enough, nobody else in the family is Libertarian.

//Relevance? Father is a crip? So what.

Ask Benjamin Crump about that. i believe he was the one who thought it was important to cover that Crips tat with a "praying hands" tat.

If they plan to sue anyone over TM death, they will have to answer that...esp if they attack Zims character.


Sorry, I am waiting for the Zimmerman trial and the big tattoo unveiling there. That should prove everything!! Zimmerman is innocent because Martin's dad is a crip!! Woohooo.

Besides, why would somebody else's tattoo get a kid killed unless the guy wearing the tattoo was at the scene? I still can't figure it out. Maybe I just can't project properly. I want a tattoo like that though. if it's so powerful, imagine what one could do! I just want a tattoo that does good instead!

/I don't know what happened that night and I am waiting for the actual EVIDENCE before I make up my mind. That's what court/trial is supposed to be about.
//My Grandfather was a Commie at one time too, and I am not one of those either :P
 
2012-07-14 12:01:47 PM  

bugontherug: In this context, the onus is clearly on Zimmerman and his supporters to establish that the judge is not impartial.


Pardon me.
 
2012-07-14 12:07:57 PM  

vegasj: According to an FBI report investigating whether race was a factor in the shooting of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, none of the dozens of people the FBI interviewed said shooter George Zimmerman is a racist. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

I like this at the very, very end... in smaller and lighter grey font.


WTG Lame Stream... still bias on reporting I see.


Too bad they don't mention anything about the arresting officer saying he was pressured to make an arrest even though his investigation showed self defense.


Yeah I mean there's no way a cop could be biased in his determination, that's never happened in the history of ever.

Anyone who's listened to the 911 tape and has two brain cells to rub together, and hasn't decided to go full derp for political reasons, knows that Zimm was looking for trouble. When the 911 says we don't need you to follow and he says something to the effect of "farking punks", and keeps following, well that's pretty convincing to me.

He was either racist and looking for a fight, or has some overdeveloped hero syndrome. Both are dangerous and, because it resulted in another's death, he should be removed from society.

Period.

\spare me your "Trayvon attacked him" nonsense, that's armchair quarterback spin, go listen to the 911 tape again without your blinders on.
 
2012-07-14 12:08:23 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Kome: O'Mara's motion argued the comment showed bias.

The courts tend to be biased this when you deliberately lie to them.

As the accused he has the right to a fair trial. Which he cannot get if the court is biased against him


Fair runs both ways. If he isn't going to play by the rules, he is forfeiting any shot of it being a fair trial. Judges, however, are pretty used to defendants trying to game the system, though, and still manage to keep trials fair.
 
2012-07-14 12:09:03 PM  
I've always found that when you lie and try to hide stuff from the court they tend to be impartial.
 
2012-07-14 12:09:53 PM  

Tainted1: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

The fark am a reading?


The results of uninformed idiots seeking anything they can cling to to confirm their biases.

There is a slang expression "skittles" for a a certain type of OTC pill that people sometimes use for recreational purposes. The pills are small and brightly colored like skittles. Somehow people seeking anything to make the victim in this case have misunderstood that the drug reference "skittles" is not actually a reference to the candy and they seem to think that the candy skittles is part of a drug cocktail. Using this misunderstanding (and an apparently faked screenshot of a facebook conversation) they are trying to make it seem that carrying skittles and a watermelon flavored drink is evidence that the kid was a drug crazed lunatic who needed to be put down.
 
2012-07-14 12:11:18 PM  

DancingElkCondor:

With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman



You are absolutely right. And thanks to your thoughtful commentary, my opinion of you being a pathetic dipshiat has also done a complete 360.

So thanks!
 
2012-07-14 12:14:07 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrbogey: Citation needed.

Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.


1. The prosecution stated, under oath, that they have no evidence, one way or the other, as to who started the fight.
2. Relying much on the affidavit is quite silly seeing as how the prosecutor suborned perjury in submitting it.
 
2012-07-14 12:14:24 PM  

cryinoutloud: Lost Thought 00: I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free, and then make millions off TV, book, and movie deals

I doubt it. He might very well go free, thanks to that retarded law. But he's not a well-liked person--not interesting, not smart, not even a good victim, since he's the guy who had the gun. He'll make about as much money off his story as Casey Anthony has--someone who also went free, then everyone just wished she would just go away.

Our capacity for muck-raking is infinite. But we only want to be dragged through the muck by someone we like.


I don't get the criticism of O'mara either. Zimmerman hasn't exactly been the wisest of clients - he talks too much, and the bail thing was really dumb. But if I were his attorney, I would be doing exactly what O'mara is doing - get your client on the street, and then delay, delay, and delay some more. He knows what he's doing, and as long as the money's there, he'll keep doing it.
And he should - ours is an adversary system of justice, and it expects that a defendant's council shall take ALL legal and ethical measures to obtain their client's freedom.
 
2012-07-14 12:14:41 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrbogey: Citation needed.

Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.


There is no evidence that GZ confronted TM. The only statement that mentions how the confrontation started is from GZ and he says that it was TM who initiated.

The prosecution also admitted in the probable cause hearing that there was no evidence as to who initiated the confrontation.
 
2012-07-14 12:15:56 PM  

PawisBetlog: vegasj: According to an FBI report investigating whether race was a factor in the shooting of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, none of the dozens of people the FBI interviewed said shooter George Zimmerman is a racist. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

I like this at the very, very end... in smaller and lighter grey font.


WTG Lame Stream... still bias on reporting I see.


Too bad they don't mention anything about the arresting officer saying he was pressured to make an arrest even though his investigation showed self defense.

Yeah I mean there's no way a cop could be biased in his determination, that's never happened in the history of ever.

Anyone who's listened to the 911 tape and has two brain cells to rub together, and hasn't decided to go full derp for political reasons, knows that Zimm was looking for trouble. When the 911 says we don't need you to follow and he says something to the effect of "farking punks", and keeps following, well that's pretty convincing to me.

He was either racist and looking for a fight, or has some overdeveloped hero syndrome. Both are dangerous and, because it resulted in another's death, he should be removed from society.

Period.

\spare me your "Trayvon attacked him" nonsense, that's armchair quarterback spin, go listen to the 911 tape again without your blinders on.


Anyone who looks at someone from a distance should be summarily executed!!
 
2012-07-14 12:16:38 PM  

consider this: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrbogey: Citation needed.

Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.

There is no evidence that GZ confronted TM. The only statement that mentions how the confrontation started is from GZ and he says that it was TM who initiated.

The prosecution also admitted in the probable cause hearing that there was no evidence as to who initiated the confrontation.


That certainly doesn't fit the narrative.
 
2012-07-14 12:17:13 PM  

Kome: Warlordtrooper: Kome: O'Mara's motion argued the comment showed bias.

The courts tend to be biased this when you deliberately lie to them.

As the accused he has the right to a fair trial. Which he cannot get if the court is biased against him

Fair runs both ways. If he isn't going to play by the rules, he is forfeiting any shot of it being a fair trial. Judges, however, are pretty used to defendants trying to game the system, though, and still manage to keep trials fair.


That's not quite how the U.S. legal system works, fortunately. Being deceptive during the bail process does not forfeit your right to a fair trial.
 
2012-07-14 12:18:30 PM  

steamingpile: But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him, I definitely think they are biased against him and will let evidence in they normally wouldn't just to get a conviction in an election year.


I am pro gun but also think Zimmerman is a douchebag who couldn't make police academy so he became the self appointed gun carrying neighborhood watch. The gun he carried was also issued in error because of a previous conviction against him.

The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.
 
2012-07-14 12:19:19 PM  

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2012-07-14 12:19:42 PM  
From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.
 
2012-07-14 12:20:37 PM  

DancingElkCondor: I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless


i don't either but he farked up when he followed the kid. especially after the cops told him not to. after that all the "stand your ground" self defense stuff is moot.

zimmerman is a cop wannabe toting a gun in a situation where is wasn't proper. he compounded that by a series of mistakes that left a kid dead. he deserves jail and for a long time.
 
2012-07-14 12:20:44 PM  

Thrag: The results of uninformed idiots seeking anything they can cling to to confirm their biases.
There is a slang expression "skittles" for a a certain type of OTC pill that people sometimes use for recreational purposes. The pills are small and brightly colored like skittles. Somehow people seeking anything to make the victim in this case have misunderstood that the drug reference "skittles" is not actually a reference to the candy and they seem to think that the candy skittles is part of a drug cocktail. Using this misunderstanding (and an apparently faked screenshot of a facebook conversation) they are trying to make it seem that carrying skittles and a watermelon flavored drink is evidence that the kid was a drug crazed lunatic who needed to be put down.


To avoid weird inferences like this, I call all my drugs "tampons." Not only do people not pick up on it, they don't even like to say the word. I have such a hoard of tampons right now, I'm about to start passing them out like Skittles.
 
2012-07-14 12:23:41 PM  

Thrag: Tainted1: vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....

The fark am a reading?

The results of uninformed idiots seeking anything they can cling to to confirm their biases.

There is a slang expression "skittles" for a a certain type of OTC pill that people sometimes use for recreational purposes. The pills are small and brightly colored like skittles. Somehow people seeking anything to make the victim in this case have misunderstood that the drug reference "skittles" is not actually a reference to the candy and they seem to think that the candy skittles is part of a drug cocktail. Using this misunderstanding (and an apparently faked screenshot of a facebook conversation) they are trying to make it seem that carrying skittles and a watermelon flavored drink is evidence that the kid was a drug crazed lunatic who needed to be put down.


I don't necessarily think that the whole 'purple drank" controversy is of great importance...but you could at least get your facts straight and not look like a total moran. What people are referring to is this (Wiki - Purple Drank) Common ingredients, other than those mentioned in the article, are Arizona drink products and Skittles.

I also haven't seen anything to indicate that the facebook conversation is fake...that doesn't mean it's real, but why automatically assume that it isn't?
 
2012-07-14 12:25:13 PM  

Amos Quito: From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.


Um, what about the judge's statement is not accurate. The wife lied to the court about the money. The two of them conspired to hold on to a valid passport and to hide the money. It is, as the judge said, entirely reasonable to suspect they might have fled using the concealed passport and taking the donated money.

What is your exact problem with that statement? Are you going to focus on the semantic argument that is wasn't "other people's money" once it was donated? Okay, but that doesn't really change a thing. The two idiots still spoke over a jailhouse phone about money and a passport they had hidden from the court.
 
2012-07-14 12:27:05 PM  

astouffer: steamingpile: But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him, I definitely think they are biased against him and will let evidence in they normally wouldn't just to get a conviction in an election year.

I am pro gun but also think Zimmerman is a douchebag who couldn't make police academy so he became the self appointed gun carrying neighborhood watch. The gun he carried was also issued in error because of a previous conviction against him.

The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.


1. All charges were dropped. So, not sure where you're going with the gun permit thing...
2. 911 didn't tell him to do anything...and even if they were to do so, it carries no more weight than you or I telling him to do something. Also, they didn't "tell" him to stay in the car. They said "we don't need you to do that" when he was running, and he said OK and stopped running.
3. If Trayvon hadn't gone to the store that night this would have ended peacefully....see how silly that line of reasoning is?

Other than those three things, good effort.
 
2012-07-14 12:28:27 PM  

Cataholic: consider this: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrbogey: Citation needed.

Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.

There is no evidence that GZ confronted TM. The only statement that mentions how the confrontation started is from GZ and he says that it was TM who initiated.

The prosecution also admitted in the probable cause hearing that there was no evidence as to who initiated the confrontation.

That certainly doesn't fit the narrative.


What narrative? All we have is speculation on how everything went down prior to TM being seen on top of GZ by an eyewitness.
 
2012-07-14 12:28:49 PM  

Amos Quito: From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.


why else were they hiding the money and the passport? part of a courts mission is to make conclusions based on evidence. the evidence is that he was hiding money. actively moving it around in small amounts to avoid detection,talking in "code" about it to his wife to avoid detection by the authorities and not disclosing that he had another passport. now I ask you. would the judge be doing his job if he just dismissed all that evidence in making his determination on raising the bail amount? or should have have just raised it with no explanation of the obvious reasons for doing so? you lie to the judge,you hide stuff from the judge and then cry foul when they hold it against you?
 
2012-07-14 12:29:29 PM  

Curious: DancingElkCondor: I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

i don't either but he farked up when he followed the kid. especially after the cops told him not to. after that all the "stand your ground" self defense stuff is moot.

zimmerman is a cop wannabe toting a gun in a situation where is wasn't proper. he compounded that by a series of mistakes that left a kid dead. he deserves jail and for a long time.


1. It's not illegal to watch someone from a distance on public property, even if you have to momentarily jog to regain sight of them around the corner of a building.
2. The "cops" didn't tell him to do anything. A civilian asked / suggested that he do something.
3. None of that impacts SYG whatsoever.
4. It's not proper to carry a gun to the store?
 
2012-07-14 12:30:43 PM  

Grables'Daughter: DancingElkCondor: And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea

I am confused.

I don't see how the kind of drink he had would be at all relevant, or why anyone would try to change what type of drink he had.

What am I missing, please?


Rimmer J. Piehole is alluding to Trayvon doing the lean, aka, codeine flavored kool-aid. What would that have to do with Trayvon getting shot by the overzealous neighborhood not neighborhood watchmen Zimmerman? Zimmerman was on some heavy meds that evening, and he still is.

Active Medications.•
Date !Drug & Dosage Qty ISIG Refill Note
02127/2012 Iodine 400 mg tablet 60 1 tablet PO BID Oprn pain
02i13/2012 ladderall 20 mg tablet 60 1 1ablet PO BID OWritten Rx Given
P1123t2012 ,emazepam 30 mg capsule 90 1 capsule (hard, soft, 0
~tc.)PO HS
P1123/2012 ~m eprazole dr 40 mg 30 1 capsule,delayed release 3?RN
!Capsule lienteric coated) PO Daily
12/29/2011 ~lbrax 90 1 capsule (hard, soft, 3
leto.) PO TID
Act Iv e M e dlc at ons- P re-E x I s tl ng:
Drug & Dosage $tG
pvs alucosamine chondroitin tb 1 tablet PO Daily
multiple vitamin tablet 1 tablet PO Daily
omeprazole dr 40 m g capsule 1 capsute,delaved release (enteric coated) PO DaUv
emazepam 30 mg capsule 1 capsule (hard, soft, etc.) PO HS

*On page 181, in the Discovery documents, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN reported to EMT /Paramedic Michael Brandy that he's prescribed Librax and Tamazepam (sp)
 
2012-07-14 12:31:12 PM  

Thrag: Amos Quito: From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.

Um, what about the judge's statement is not accurate. The wife lied to the court about the money. The two of them conspired to hold on to a valid passport and to hide the money. It is, as the judge said, entirely reasonable to suspect they might have fled using the concealed passport and taking the donated money.

What is your exact problem with that statement? Are you going to focus on the semantic argument that is wasn't "other people's money" once it was donated? Okay, but that doesn't really change a thing. The two idiots still spoke over a jailhouse phone about money and a passport they had hidden from the court.



The idiot judge blatanly showed his bias against Zimmerman by saying that were it not "for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring" Zimm and spouse WOULD HAVE FLED the US.

If he is SUCH a flight risk, why did Lester proceed to release him on bail - again?
 
2012-07-14 12:32:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: I don't necessarily think that the whole 'purple drank" controversy is of great importance...but you could at least get your facts straight and not look like a total moran. What people are referring to is this (Wiki - Purple Drank) Common ingredients, other than those mentioned in the article, are Arizona drink products and Skittles.


I love this. In an attempt to make your statements seem legit you link to a wiki page that doesn't in any way say what you are claiming, and they you just add your own info that wasn't on the page as if just linking to the page before saying it somehow makes it legit. The "get your facts straight" bluster is really the icing on your fail cake.

What I said is completely accurate. "Skittles" is a slang term for a type of cold pill. Some idiot heard "skittles" in reference to drugs and though it was the candy and concocted this theory that Martin possessing the candy means he was on drugs.

I also haven't seen anything to indicate that the facebook conversation is fake...that doesn't mean it's real, but why automatically assume that it isn't?

Because it only showed up weeks after Martin's facebook account was deleted and it made its first appearance on crazy blogs pushing this theory that having watermelon juice and skittles on one's person is somehow evidence of long term drug abuse. What makes you think it's real? That is confirms your biases? Is there any evidence at all that it is real? You do know how easy it is to fake a screenshot don't you?
 
2012-07-14 12:34:49 PM  

astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.


Bears repeating.
 
2012-07-14 12:36:51 PM  

bugontherug: Raharu: derp... What Makes the current judge NOT impartial?

This remark makes me confident that one of two propositions must be true:

1) you are trolling, or
2) you are a lobotomy patient.

In this context, the onus is clearly on Zimmerman and his supporters to establish that the judge is impartial. That he made findings of fact and conclusions of law you don't like isn't evidence for that proposition.


I do believe I misread your post, sir. I apologize.
 
2012-07-14 12:38:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: Curious: DancingElkCondor: I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

i don't either but he farked up when he followed the kid. especially after the cops told him not to. after that all the "stand your ground" self defense stuff is moot.

zimmerman is a cop wannabe toting a gun in a situation where is wasn't proper. he compounded that by a series of mistakes that left a kid dead. he deserves jail and for a long time.

1. It's not illegal to watch someone from a distance on public property, even if you have to momentarily jog to regain sight of them around the corner of a building.
2. The "cops" didn't tell him to do anything. A civilian asked / suggested that he do something.
3. None of that impacts SYG whatsoever.
4. It's not proper to carry a gun to the store?


vigilantism is illegal
 
2012-07-14 12:38:56 PM  

Amos Quito: If he is SUCH a flight risk, why did Lester proceed to release him on bail - again?


1) because it had been demonstrated that electronic monitoring could thwart his attempt to flee, and

2) the increased bail would likewise deter an attempt to flee.

The judge making findings of fact that you don't like does not make the judge "partial." Sorry.
 
2012-07-14 12:40:53 PM  

Amos Quito: Thrag: Amos Quito: From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.

Um, what about the judge's statement is not accurate. The wife lied to the court about the money. The two of them conspired to hold on to a valid passport and to hide the money. It is, as the judge said, entirely reasonable to suspect they might have fled using the concealed passport and taking the donated money.

What is your exact problem with that statement? Are you going to focus on the semantic argument that is wasn't "other people's money" once it was donated? Okay, but that doesn't really change a thing. The two idiots still spoke over a jailhouse phone about money and a passport they had hidden from the court.


The idiot judge blatanly showed his bias against Zimmerman by saying that were it not "for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring" Zimm and spouse WOULD HAVE FLED the US.

If he is SUCH a flight risk, why did Lester proceed to release him on bail - again?


The judge had to offer bail, by Florida law. The judge covered all of this in his order. He told Zimmerman, he didn't break his bail because he wasn't released on bail when the discretions were committed, and by Florida law, he was compelled to offer a bail amount. He wouldn't have done it otherwise, because Mr. Zimmerman was not trustworthy.
 
2012-07-14 12:40:58 PM  

Hobodeluxe: the evidence is that he was hiding money. actively moving it around in small amounts to avoid detection,


Which, by the way, if this was accurately reported, is a federal crime in and of itself. Transaction structuring to avoid reporting requirements is a federal crime.
 
2012-07-14 12:41:31 PM  

Amos Quito: The idiot judge blatanly showed his bias against Zimmerman by saying that were it not "for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring" Zimm and spouse WOULD HAVE FLED the US.


Yes, it is entirely reasonable to believe they may have done that. When someone conceals a second passport and talks to their wife in code about it and the money they are hiding from the court it is hardly an unreasonable leap of logic to conclude they would have fled. This is a totally appropriate and typical thing for a judge to say in a bail hearing under circumstances like this. Why do you think his statements are even unusual?

If he is SUCH a flight risk, why did Lester proceed to release him on bail - again?

Because he believes the new bail and bail requirements are enough to make fleeing impractical. He no longer has a passport, he is being monitored, and due to the increased bail they no longer have the financial resources to flee.

This line, that by noting that the Zimmerman's were concealing money and a passport form the court and in response increasing his bail the judge is somehow biased, is really beyond ridiculous.
 
2012-07-14 12:41:43 PM  

DancingElkCondor: this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman


Obviously, you're not a skater.
 
2012-07-14 12:42:32 PM  

missiv: The judge had to offer bail, by Florida law. The judge covered all of this in his order. He told Zimmerman, he didn't break his bail because he wasn't released on bail when the discretions were committed, and by Florida law, he was compelled to offer a bail amount. He wouldn't have done it otherwise, because Mr. Zimmerman was not trustworthy


Thanks for the info.
 
2012-07-14 12:42:52 PM  

Grables'Daughter: chewielouie: Yes, Zimmerman is a dumbass but the judge has made some comments that would make anyone feel they would not be able to get a fair trial in front of him. The judge's colorful commentary regarding the bond hearing simply wasn't necessary. Some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and even judge's make stupid decisions. He should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, Zimmerman's lawyer will no doubt appeal.

What did the judge say?


He said "You failed to tell me about a second passport and an additional $130,000. That looks to me like you're a flight risk. I'm re-setting your bond at $1,000,000 to ensure you show up. Flouting the system like that is frowned upon by my court."

Zimmerman obviously found that biased.
 
2012-07-14 12:47:09 PM  
www.picturevip.com

www.picturevip.com
 
2012-07-14 12:48:29 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.


The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.
 
2012-07-14 12:50:54 PM  

Thrag: Silly Jesus: I don't necessarily think that the whole 'purple drank" controversy is of great importance...but you could at least get your facts straight and not look like a total moran. What people are referring to is this (Wiki - Purple Drank) Common ingredients, other than those mentioned in the article, are Arizona drink products and Skittles.

I love this. In an attempt to make your statements seem legit you link to a wiki page that doesn't in any way say what you are claiming, and they you just add your own info that wasn't on the page as if just linking to the page before saying it somehow makes it legit. The "get your facts straight" bluster is really the icing on your fail cake.

What I said is completely accurate. "Skittles" is a slang term for a type of cold pill. Some idiot heard "skittles" in reference to drugs and though it was the candy and concocted this theory that Martin possessing the candy means he was on drugs.

I also haven't seen anything to indicate that the facebook conversation is fake...that doesn't mean it's real, but why automatically assume that it isn't?

Because it only showed up weeks after Martin's facebook account was deleted and it made its first appearance on crazy blogs pushing this theory that having watermelon juice and skittles on one's person is somehow evidence of long term drug abuse. What makes you think it's real? That is confirms your biases? Is there any evidence at all that it is real? You do know how easy it is to fake a screenshot don't you?


My point about the drink and your skittles theory was that what you are talking about is not at all what people are referring to. You are off on a completely separate tangent / straw man. People are talking about "lean." Not some pill code named "skittles." And I wasn't trying to amend wiki to be misleading, I was merely pointing out why people are coming to that conclusion...it's a sugary drink (sprite / Arizona / etc.) mixed with a sugary colorful candy (jolly rancher / skittles / etc.). That's all that I was trying to say.

Valid point on the facebook thing...I'm skeptical, but not quite "it's OBVIOUSLY fake."
 
2012-07-14 12:51:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.

The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.


No, but starting a fight with someone conducting lawful business in a place he has a right to be while carrying a loaded firearm does evince a depraved indifference to the value of human life, because you know in doing so you're putting his life in danger.
 
2012-07-14 12:52:38 PM  

bugontherug: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.

The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.

No, but starting a fight with someone conducting lawful business in a place he has a right to be while you're carrying a loaded firearm does evince a depraved indifference to the value of human life, because you know in doing so you're putting his life in danger.


Pardon me. Man, I'm off today.
 
2012-07-14 12:53:35 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Silly Jesus: Curious: DancingElkCondor: I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

i don't either but he farked up when he followed the kid. especially after the cops told him not to. after that all the "stand your ground" self defense stuff is moot.

zimmerman is a cop wannabe toting a gun in a situation where is wasn't proper. he compounded that by a series of mistakes that left a kid dead. he deserves jail and for a long time.

1. It's not illegal to watch someone from a distance on public property, even if you have to momentarily jog to regain sight of them around the corner of a building.
2. The "cops" didn't tell him to do anything. A civilian asked / suggested that he do something.
3. None of that impacts SYG whatsoever.
4. It's not proper to carry a gun to the store?

vigilantism is illegal


Correct, you can't assault and attempt to kill someone because you don't like them looking at you in public, you should call the police first.
 
2012-07-14 12:53:40 PM  

Grables'Daughter: DancingElkCondor: And, this should tell everyone how Black Racist/White Guilt the media and TM supporters have been: They are so "Politically Correct".....they cannot admit that Tray had an Arizona WATERMELON drink...not an iced tea

I am confused.

I don't see how the kind of drink he had would be at all relevant, or why anyone would try to change what type of drink he had.

What am I missing, please?


Apparently the blacks only buy Arizona iced tea to mix with Robitussin. At least according to not at all bigoted vegasj and not at all an alt Dancing Elk Condor
 
2012-07-14 12:57:34 PM  
Zimmerman had a hammer and went looking for a nail.
 
2012-07-14 12:57:38 PM  

bugontherug: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.

The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.

No, but starting a fight with someone conducting lawful business in a place he has a right to be while carrying a loaded firearm does evince a depraved indifference to the value of human life, because you know in doing so you're putting his life in danger.


Even the prosecution has admitted, under oath, that they don't know who started the fight. It sounds like you have some pretty important evidence that you need to make them aware of.
 
2012-07-14 12:58:08 PM  

cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.


That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.
 
2012-07-14 12:59:03 PM  

bugontherug: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.

The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.

No, but starting a fight with someone conducting lawful business in a place he has a right to be while carrying a loaded firearm does evince a depraved indifference to the value of human life, because you know in doing so you're putting his life in danger.


Especially after you've already called the police for help and then choose to IGNORE the advice given to you. The dispatchers aren't there to sound pretty. They work far more closely with the police that Zimmerman ever could. If the situation warrants calling them, then the situation also warrants LISTENING to anything they might have to say to you.
 
2012-07-14 01:04:08 PM  

Silly Jesus: My point about the drink and your skittles theory was that what you are talking about is not at all what people are referring to. You are off on a completely separate tangent / straw man.


It's not a tangent or a straw man. It is part of the origin of this idiotic line of attack on the dead kid. A few weeks ago when this crap came up the first idiotic blog on it that linked to as evidence of their claims talked about how "skittles" was a drug reference and that it refers to "purple drank" specially made form watermelon drink flavored with the skittles candy. That was not correct as the term "skittles" refers to a type of pill. This was pretty much one of the the lynchpins of their theory since it was based on the notion that skittles and Arizona watermelon drink was the preferred mixture, and thus having those specific items means one must be on drugs.

Anyway, it's an extra retarded theory since if Martin's intention was to make "purple drank" it would seem he forgot the most important ingredient in the store. All of this is just a pathetic attempt to smear the victim.
 
2012-07-14 01:05:12 PM  

CliChe Guevara: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.

That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.


Like everyone else? Everyone else has a perjured affidavit filed against them by an overzealous and politically / racially motivated prosecutor after a mob overrules the initial ruling of the DA? He hasn't been treated like a normal person since this whole mess began.
 
2012-07-14 01:07:52 PM  

CliChe Guevara: That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.


I think his dad being a judge made him think he had more pull than he did.
 
2012-07-14 01:09:01 PM  

Thrag: Silly Jesus: My point about the drink and your skittles theory was that what you are talking about is not at all what people are referring to. You are off on a completely separate tangent / straw man.

It's not a tangent or a straw man. It is part of the origin of this idiotic line of attack on the dead kid. A few weeks ago when this crap came up the first idiotic blog on it that linked to as evidence of their claims talked about how "skittles" was a drug reference and that it refers to "purple drank" specially made form watermelon drink flavored with the skittles candy. That was not correct as the term "skittles" refers to a type of pill. This was pretty much one of the the lynchpins of their theory since it was based on the notion that skittles and Arizona watermelon drink was the preferred mixture, and thus having those specific items means one must be on drugs.

Anyway, it's an extra retarded theory since if Martin's intention was to make "purple drank" it would seem he forgot the most important ingredient in the store. All of this is just a pathetic attempt to smear the victim.


OK, fair enough. I've heard / seen people bring up "lean" and "purple drank" etc. over and over again, and all that is ever mentioned is a liquid concoction of a sugary drink, sugary candy and cough syrup...I've never once heard of what you're talking about in any of the hundreds of posts in these threads.

As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.
 
2012-07-14 01:09:34 PM  
What exactly is the point of the alts at the top of the thread? Is it that important to these people to have validation, even if it's nothing more than a false mockery?
 
2012-07-14 01:09:43 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mrbogey: Citation needed.

Still claiming Martin jumped him from behind when we have an affadavit that says Zimmerman confronted Martin first.

Oh, and lying to the judge. That really helps his credibility there.


HeartlineTwist: Oh, the statement involving where Martin's body was/where the fight occurred was in comparison to where the body was actually found.

Or Zimmerman having a left handed holster on the wrong side of his body and drawing it with his right hand per his re-enactment. (In other words, had Zimmerman drawn his gun from a left handed holster that was on his right side with his right hand like he did, the gun would have been upside down when he fired it.


Citation defined:
2.
a : an act of quoting; especially : the citing of a previously settled case at law
b : excerpt, quotation

You stated an argument. You did not cite the information that supports your assertion. What you did was akin to me asking for a citation for the assertion that Obama isn't a US citizen and you replying back "because he wasn't born in the US!"

Now, please try again, cite the evidence that his story has changed or inconsistencies in his story.
 
2012-07-14 01:12:57 PM  

vegasj: Since the judge is allowing unnecessary evidence (like phone transcripts of him in jail) I wonder if he'll allow Zimmerman's lawyer to explain why Treyvon had Arizona Watermelon drink & Skittles....


He's not allowing unnecessary 'evidence', it's 'discovery' and under FL Sunshine Laws, it has to be released to the public, just like Casey Anthony's jail conversations were. Doesn't mean it will be admitted into trial evidence, two different things.
 
2012-07-14 01:13:11 PM  

Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.


So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.
 
2012-07-14 01:13:39 PM  

CliChe Guevara: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.

That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.


Everyone else never would have had charges filed against them, because George did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug. Then the media stepped in, lied blatantly, President stepped in, every other racist liberal in the country.

See if you like it when some black dude is railroaded for something he clearly did not do....

You guys are really sick. Hitler could have used you guys.
 
2012-07-14 01:13:43 PM  

Mugato: CliChe Guevara: That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.

I think his dad being a judge made him think he had more pull than he did.


His dad was a retired, low level (Magistrate = Traffic Court, basically) "judicial officer" (he wasn't even technically called a judge, according to the spokesperson for the Virginia courts) from two states away. Not quite the powerful ally that people would have you believe. Hell, I'm almost certain that that level of judge doesn't even need a college degree, much less a law degree.
 
2012-07-14 01:15:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: His dad was a retired, low level (Magistrate = Traffic Court, basically) "judicial officer" (he wasn't even technically called a judge, according to the spokesperson for the Virginia courts) from two states away. Not quite the powerful ally that people would have you believe. Hell, I'm almost certain that that level of judge doesn't even need a college degree, much less a law degree.


Well I didn't claim it was a well reasoned line of thinking.
 
2012-07-14 01:16:46 PM  
There are a lot of poor people in this thread. If you don't know why it looks like there are a lot of poor people in this thread, that's because you're poor.
 
2012-07-14 01:17:17 PM  

Thunderpipes: George Trayvon did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug.


F
 
2012-07-14 01:17:39 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.
Bears repeating.
The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.


the bottom line--hmm, what could it be? Racism? Gun control? Stupid laws? No, could it be..........

lh3.googleusercontent.com

If Zimmer-farking-dumbass hadn't gotten out of his car that night, Martin wouldn't have died. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.
 
2012-07-14 01:17:47 PM  
Oh I see Fark's resident KKK trolls have come in to shiat in the room. Guess there's not much else to say here.
 
2012-07-14 01:18:56 PM  

Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.


I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)
 
2012-07-14 01:19:38 PM  
The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.

The prosecutor is a wackjob and will be quite entertaining if it is televised. She recently threatened to sue Harvard because a professor there criticized her, among other silliness. Stupid freedom of speech.

The narrative on Zimmerman has failed hard. The only thing they might get him on is a civil case. Meanwhile Zimmerman has a hell of a case against many major media outlets if he decides to pursue it.

He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.
 
2012-07-14 01:20:45 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I've always found that when you lie and try to hide stuff from the court they tend to be impartial.


I tend not to take legal advise from people who use "impartial", "not impartial", and "partial" interchangeably.

Thrag: That was not correct as the term "skittles" refers to a type of pill.


You seem to be the one asserting this and I'm not sure why. In that convo he doesn't mention skittles. Skittles is given as an additive to sweeten the codeine mix in all drug references I've seen.

You got a cite for the pill you're talking about? Because you're asserting it means a specific type of pill and being quite insulting about it but you've not clarified the actual error.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: I've been slow on the news, I didn't even catch these. The left-handed holster doesn't even make any sense, were they out of right-handed ones when he bought his gun?


I don't get the point of the whole thing as some holsters can be worn left or right for access by right or left handed individuals from either side. I'm assuming the original poster got the charge from a message board post made by someone who is only partially aware of what a holster is used for.
 
2012-07-14 01:21:35 PM  

Abox: Thunderpipes: George Trayvon did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug.

F


0/10
 
2012-07-14 01:22:29 PM  

cryinoutloud: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.
Bears repeating.
The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.

the bottom line--hmm, what could it be? Racism? Gun control? Stupid laws? No, could it be..........

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

If Zimmer-farking-dumbass hadn't gotten out of his car that night, Martin wouldn't have died. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.


If Trayvon hadn't gone to the store for skittles, he wouldn't have died that night. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.
 
2012-07-14 01:23:02 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.

The prosecutor is a wackjob and will be quite entertaining if it is televised. She recently threatened to sue Harvard because a professor there criticized her, among other silliness. Stupid freedom of speech.

The narrative on Zimmerman has failed hard. The only thing they might get him on is a civil case. Meanwhile Zimmerman has a hell of a case against many major media outlets if he decides to pursue it.

He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.


Well, there is the fact that Zimmerman stalked and hunted an unarmed teenager and shot the kid when he started losing the fight he himself provoked.
 
2012-07-14 01:23:22 PM  

Mrbogey: Thrag: That was not correct as the term "skittles" refers to a type of pill.

You seem to be the one asserting this and I'm not sure why. In that convo he doesn't mention skittles. Skittles is given as an additive to sweeten the codeine mix in all drug references I've seen.

You got a cite for the pill you're talking about? Because you're asserting it means a specific type of pill and being quite insulting about it but you've not clarified the actual error.


For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?
 
2012-07-14 01:24:21 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Amos Quito: From a previous article: "Judge Lester writes: "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."


Bye bye judge Lester, you idiot.

If he doesn't recuse himself and Zimmerman is convicted, the case will be tossed on appeal.

why else were they hiding the money and the passport? part of a courts mission is to make conclusions based on evidence. the evidence is that he was hiding money. actively moving it around in small amounts to avoid detection,talking in "code" about it to his wife to avoid detection by the authorities and not disclosing that he had another passport. now I ask you. would the judge be doing his job if he just dismissed all that evidence in making his determination on raising the bail amount? or should have have just raised it with no explanation of the obvious reasons for doing so? you lie to the judge,you hide stuff from the judge and then cry foul when they hold it against you?



Before Zimmerman was arrested the *first* time, he was in hiding because Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of the Race Baiting Racketeers had every Attractive and Successful Melanin-Rich asshat in the country looking to murder him on sight.

Yet he turned himself in as requested.

After he was arrested the first time AND released on bail (and remained in hiding because he was STILL on the AASAM Shoot-On-Sight list), when the circumstances surrounding said bail were questioned, he turned himself in as requested.

Aside from grandstanding and showmanship, why would Lester assert that Zimmerman, who had complied with all orders to appear, say that he WOULD have run given the chance, and then proceed to give him ANOTHER chance.

IF, as Lester asserted, he is SUCH a flight risk, why not keep him locked up?

Lester is a rat, as are all the Race-Baiting Racketeers.
 
2012-07-14 01:24:41 PM  

gimmegimme: barneyfifesbullet: The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.

The prosecutor is a wackjob and will be quite entertaining if it is televised. She recently threatened to sue Harvard because a professor there criticized her, among other silliness. Stupid freedom of speech.

The narrative on Zimmerman has failed hard. The only thing they might get him on is a civil case. Meanwhile Zimmerman has a hell of a case against many major media outlets if he decides to pursue it.

He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

Well, there is the fact that Zimmerman stalked and hunted an unarmed teenager and shot the kid when he started losing the fight he himself provoked.


Yes but thanks to the brilliance that is FL's Stand Your Ground law, you can shoot someone when you're losing the fight EVEN if you were the one that provoked it.

It's a law fit for all the wannabe tough guys out there.
 
2012-07-14 01:24:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: If Trayvon hadn't gone to the store for skittles been shot, he wouldn't have died that night. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.


F
 
2012-07-14 01:25:42 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.

The prosecutor is a wackjob and will be quite entertaining if it is televised. She recently threatened to sue Harvard because a professor there criticized her, among other silliness. Stupid freedom of speech.

The narrative on Zimmerman has failed hard. The only thing they might get him on is a civil case. Meanwhile Zimmerman has a hell of a case against many major media outlets if he decides to pursue it.

He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.


A civil case isn't even allowed under Florida law if it's ruled that he acted in self defense.
 
2012-07-14 01:26:46 PM  

barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.


What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.
 
2012-07-14 01:26:50 PM  

Silly Jesus: His dad was a retired, low level (Magistrate = Traffic Court, basically) "judicial officer" (he wasn't even technically called a judge, according to the spokesperson for the Virginia courts) from two states away. Not quite the powerful ally that people would have you believe. Hell, I'm almost certain that that level of judge doesn't even need a college degree, much less a law degree.


I've always been puzzled by people trotting out how his dad's status in Virginia gave him clout in Florida. At best, his dad can give him good legal advice.

But that doesn't matter because Zimmerman is doing dumb things. He gave a full statement to the cops then re-enacted the shooting the next day all without council. And yet he didn't give conflicting accounts nor state something directly contradictory to the evidence. At least not something that would rattle the overall story. I don't consider him stating the exact spot the body fell incorrectly to really matter much as if he was lying he could just have easily changed that bit. It seems to me that is just faulty memory due to it being dark.
 
2012-07-14 01:28:11 PM  
When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.
 
2012-07-14 01:28:57 PM  

Mrbogey: You got a cite for the pill you're talking about?


Link
 
2012-07-14 01:29:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Thrag: That was not correct as the term "skittles" refers to a type of pill.

You seem to be the one asserting this and I'm not sure why. In that convo he doesn't mention skittles. Skittles is given as an additive to sweeten the codeine mix in all drug references I've seen.

You got a cite for the pill you're talking about? Because you're asserting it means a specific type of pill and being quite insulting about it but you've not clarified the actual error.

For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?


Oh, Jesus Christ. I hadn't heard that angle yet. Even though Zimmerman (sometimes white, sometimes not) was on a bunch of psychoactive drugs, Trayvon Martin was now going to use the Skittles and iced tea to make his illegal drugs more delicious.

What kind of drug addict gives a shiat if the drugs taste good? Even convicted drug addict Rush Limbaugh didn't care how his pills tasted. (Rush isn't black, either.)
 
2012-07-14 01:31:22 PM  

Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocentnot guilty, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.


Maybe you should consider getting a GED in Law or at least watching a bunch of Law and Orders.
 
2012-07-14 01:31:33 PM  

Mrtraveler01: For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?


A facebook conversation where he talks about making it. Is that good enough?

Tourney3p0: What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.


Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

So you're telling me that you're okay with someone knocking you to the ground and punching you in the face because they thought you were following them?
 
2012-07-14 01:31:58 PM  

Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.


Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.
 
2012-07-14 01:33:56 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?

A facebook conversation where he talks about making it. Is that good enough?

Tourney3p0: What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

So you're telling me that you're okay with someone knocking you to the ground and punching you in the face because they thought you were following them?


Are you on Skittle Heroin? Zimmerman WAS following Martin. Your analogy is silly.
 
2012-07-14 01:34:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)


I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.
 
2012-07-14 01:34:22 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?

A facebook conversation where he talks about making it. Is that good enough?

A facebook conversation that miraculously appeared weeks after the profile was taken down. Seems legit.

Tourney3p0: What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

So you're telling me that you're okay with someone knocking you to the ground and punching you in the face because they thought you were following them?


And you know that Trayvon struck first because....? You have the word of a man who shot an unarmed teenager (who clearly has no incentive to alter the order of events), and an eyewitness who didn't see the start of the fight.
 
2012-07-14 01:35:38 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.


216.92.151.22
 
2012-07-14 01:37:17 PM  

Party Boy: clowncar on fire: You got a problem with colored sugar? Maybe white is more preferable?

it is certainly a problem in society how the brown and the white sugar is separated. Theres articles disgustingly asking if Brown Sugar is Better than White Sugar

The segregation also occurs within the brown sugar community.
[i.imgur.com image 300x300][i.imgur.com image 205x277]

Its a concern


The fact you notice the difference makes you the real racistsugarist.
 
2012-07-14 01:37:19 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?

A facebook conversation where he talks about making it. Is that good enough?


And you have proof that it was his actual facebook account and not something made up in a photoshop how?

I guess you just take people's word for it when they're talking about the scary black man amright?
 
2012-07-14 01:37:40 PM  

Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"


No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.
 
2012-07-14 01:37:40 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: For God sakes, do you guys have any evidence that he was trying to make drugs with skittles and watermelon flavored ice tea outside of the fact of him being black?

A facebook conversation where he talks about making it. Is that good enough?


I could easily make a screenshot of you having a conversation about how you love raping horses. Would that be definitive proof that you love to rape horses? Would you instead want some sort of proof that the conversation depicted in the screenshot is real?
 
2012-07-14 01:38:26 PM  

gimmegimme: Oh, Jesus Christ. I hadn't heard that angle yet. Even though Zimmerman (sometimes white, sometimes not) was on a bunch of psychoactive drugs, Trayvon Martin was now going to use the Skittles and iced tea to make his illegal drugs more delicious.


Racists use despiration when they're trying to justify their racism.
 
2012-07-14 01:39:59 PM  

LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.


1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.
 
2012-07-14 01:42:45 PM  

Silly Jesus:

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.


Doesn't have to be. Irrelevant to charges.

2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.

Other than the testimony from a witness, you're right. My understanding is that the witness was black though, so it's basically not evidence.

3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.

Whether or not Martin sucked at fighting is irrelevant to the charges. Bumbling criminals are Fark's bread and butter.
 
2012-07-14 01:43:48 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.


Why do you care what Martin was doing at the store that night? Was he doing anything illegal? Nope. What relevance does anything you're saying have to the shooting? Are you saying it's okay for random people on psych meds to hunt and stalk teenagers on the off chance those teenagers might be making codeine cocktails?
 
2012-07-14 01:46:50 PM  

Silly Jesus: LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.


I thought that Real Americans appreciate the kind of guy who doesn't start a fight, but sure 'nuff finishes it. Trayvon Martin was that kinda man. If only he'da been armed.

www.lookalike.com
 
2012-07-14 01:49:30 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.


He was never told to stay in his car. Come on people, you should at least know the basics of the case by now.
 
2012-07-14 01:50:15 PM  
You know, I've never heard of the word "Skittles" being used as slang for illegal drugs before this thread.

Nor have I ever heard anyone making a deal about what particular flavor of iced tea Martin had.

I wonder why this information suddenly popped up in this thread.....
 
2012-07-14 01:51:57 PM  

Lost Thought 00: I have a feeling this guy is going to end up getting off scot free, and then make millions off TV, book, and movie deals


I am quite sure he will get off, but I don't think he will get rich. He's too much of a shiatheel and too obviously guilty for normal folk to want to buy his celebrity, and he's too brown for the white supremacists to spend more than a token amount, and the white supremacists are too poor to actually spend that much on him.

He will get off because the cops have egg on their face and don't want him convicted, and because he can play the crying victim of evil racist black people, then he will quietly disappear except for bored, "where are they now" posts on fark and the like.
 
2012-07-14 01:52:30 PM  
I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.
 
2012-07-14 01:53:58 PM  

Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.


What? Lying to the judge is a crime? Zimmerman would never do anything illegal, even through his brain drug haze.
 
2012-07-14 01:55:28 PM  

Silly Jesus: LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.


There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.
 
2012-07-14 01:56:09 PM  

gimmegimme: Are you on Skittle Heroin? Zimmerman WAS following Martin. Your analogy is silly.


Only initially. Somehow two minutes after Martin lost Zimmerman, Zimmerman "caught up" with Martin a few dozen feet away from where he was lost.

Would you go back to confront someone that you thought was following you after you lost them? No? Would you assault them? If not, then you need to stop empathizing with Martin.

Because I'm sure you wouldn't let someone punch you in the face.

LordJiro: And you know that Trayvon struck first because....?


Because the guy who ambushes and pulls out the gun first usually doesn't get punched.

Mrtraveler01: And you have proof that it was his actual facebook account and not something made up in a photoshop how?


It could be faked. I'll give you that. But since his facebook was scrubbed of all posts and the other party in the conversation hasn't come forward to debunk it I'd give it weight that it's probably real.

Silly Jesus: 1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.


Also, the legal recourse to someone stalking you isn't "punch them". Odd how we have so many activists who decry a disproportionate response by Zimmerman while neglecting that aspect. It's almost as if their bold-faced partisan asshattery is guiding their fauxrage.,
 
2012-07-14 01:56:28 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Isn't this the judge whose daughter was a high school friend of Zimmerman's?


No, that was the first judge who said "What, you want me out? Fine, see ya!"
 
2012-07-14 01:56:28 PM  

gimmegimme: Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.

What? Lying to the judge is a crime? Zimmerman would never do anything illegal, even through his brain drug haze.


Zimmerman loves the cock. I heard it on Drudge so it must be true
 
2012-07-14 01:56:50 PM  

Thunderpipes: CliChe Guevara: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.

That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.

Everyone else never would have had charges filed against them, because George did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug. Then the media stepped in, lied blatantly, President stepped in, every other racist liberal in the country.

See if you like it when some black dude is railroaded for something he clearly did not do....

You guys are really sick. Hitler could have used you guys.


Too realistic to tell if stupid or just trolling.
 
2012-07-14 01:56:57 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.

Doesn't have to be. Irrelevant to charges.

2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.

Other than the testimony from a witness, you're right. My understanding is that the witness was black though, so it's basically not evidence.

3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.

Whether or not Martin sucked at fighting is irrelevant to the charges. Bumbling criminals are Fark's bread and butter.


I can't make any sense out of anything you just said..so I'm just going to pass.
 
2012-07-14 01:57:21 PM  

King Something: You know, I've never heard of the word "Skittles" being used as slang for illegal drugs before this thread.

Nor have I ever heard anyone making a deal about what particular flavor of iced tea Martin had.

I wonder why this information suddenly popped up in this thread.....


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-14 01:58:46 PM  

Kevin72: DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: FarkinHostile: born_yesterday:
3 brews shy of a 12 pack?


My first guess, too.

/Scerpes
//DavidVincent

Hmmmmm, I think you guys are on to something. 9brews-like typing detected. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so tactful in my above posting.

Hint: If you can only post the "Date and Time" someone became a member of a website....you have probably maxed the use of your critical thinking skills.

No, it wasn't the date and time. It was the 9beers-like typing detected. It took just one threadshiat by 9beers before I had him, I mean you on ignore. We get it. You hate gays and blacks and will threadshiat so that we can all smell it.


It's not terribly technically complex to trace the traffic on Fark threads and thus figure out who owns what ALTs. EIP if you want the details.
 
2012-07-14 01:59:59 PM  

gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.

Why do you care what Martin was doing at the store that night? Was he doing anything illegal? Nope. What relevance does anything you're saying have to the shooting? Are you saying it's okay for random people on psych meds to hunt and stalk teenagers on the off chance those teenagers might be making codeine cocktails?


Disclaimer: I'm not making a judgement as to whether or not he was under the influence of "lean."

But, this would be relevant. Either of the actors here being under the influence of an intoxicating substance would be very relevant. If the idea that Zimmerman was drunk was floating around out there I highly doubt that you would just dismiss it completely.

It's not about whether it's illegal or not (it is in fact illegal to have prescription strength cough syrup if it's not prescribed to you), but rather about how judgement may have been impaired etc.
 
2012-07-14 02:00:22 PM  

Silly Jesus:

I can't make any sense out of anything you just said..so I'm just going to pass.


It was pretty simple, straightforward English. If you can't make sense for it, I just feel bad for you. Feel free to try again if you'd like. Or not. Can't imagine anything of value is lost either way.
 
2012-07-14 02:00:41 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.

I thought that Real Americans appreciate the kind of guy who doesn't start a fight, but sure 'nuff finishes it. Trayvon Martin was that kinda man. If only he'da been armed.

[www.lookalike.com image 400x493]


Huh?
 
2012-07-14 02:00:51 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Are you on Skittle Heroin? Zimmerman WAS following Martin. Your analogy is silly.

Only initially. Somehow two minutes after Martin lost Zimmerman, Zimmerman "caught up" with Martin a few dozen feet away from where he was lost.

Would you go back to confront someone that you thought was following you after you lost them? No? Would you assault them? If not, then you need to stop empathizing with Martin.

Because I'm sure you wouldn't let someone punch you in the face.


You make NO sense. We agree that Zimmerman was following Martin in the car. (You said "only initially.") But you say Zimmerman "caught up" with Martin. HOW COULD MARTIN CATCH UP WITH ZIMMERMAN UNLESS ZIMMERMAN GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND FOLLOWED MARTIN? Are you saying that, by sheer coincidence, Zimmerman decided to go for a walk in the same direction he saw Martin going? And how did he get out of the car in the first place after being told not to continue his pursuit?

///I know, I know... "they always get away."
 
2012-07-14 02:00:58 PM  
i75.photobucket.com

and I'm done.
 
2012-07-14 02:01:12 PM  

DancingElkCondor: HeartlineTwist: Latinwolf: So according to the knuckledraggers in this thread, walking down a street carrying skittles and watermelon juice is a crime punishable by death.

Yeah! Because he was hopped up on drugs! Or trying to make drugs!

I mean, he was black and he started making trouble in the neighborhood. He got in one little fight and George got scared...

/can't even manage a straight face.
//the contradictions in Zimmerman's statements/re-enactment alone with the physical evidence that was acquired is enough for the prosecution to have a pretty decent case for a start.

Obviously, you have no clue what is going on in this case.

How many beers do I have?


Obviously more than the number of brain cells you've shown yourself to process.
 
2012-07-14 02:01:53 PM  

Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.


You should actually read the questioning. The lawyer asked her to estimate and she declined saying she couldn't give an estimate of current funds. You can argue that she was dishonest and should have volunteered extra information but I'm sure most people can understand why a person wouldn't volunteer extra information to a prosecutor.

kashari: There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.


Citation needed.

Also, DNA doesn't get under fingernails when you throw a punch. Use basic logic and stop relying on CSI.
 
2012-07-14 02:01:58 PM  

King Something: You know, I've never heard of the word "Skittles" being used as slang for illegal drugs before this thread.

Nor have I ever heard anyone making a deal about what particular flavor of iced tea Martin had.

I wonder why this information suddenly popped up in this thread.....


Character assassination in response to the character assassination of Zimmerman. Don't get me wrong, I believe Zimmerman to be innocent, but smearing the dead guy does no good.

/taste the rainbow, motherfarker.
 
2012-07-14 02:04:53 PM  

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So, in your morality, it's perfectly OK to hunt down and kill teenagers who get high? Denigrating the victim is a standard "hail mary" tactic by defense lawyers who know their client is as guilty as all get out. It's an irrelevant distraction.

"Jake had won that case by telling the jury that the boy Nelson shot was a sorry n!gg3r who needed killing" -- John Grisham
 
2012-07-14 02:05:41 PM  

kashari: Silly Jesus: LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.

There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.


So the photographs of Zimmerman's wounds at the scene were made up? He had a make-up artist on stand by? His two black eyes and fractured nose were fabricated? A doctor put his career on the line to write up a fake report on his injuries? WTF are yo even talking about?

I concede that there was just one wound to one knuckle, I misspoke above by making it plural, but the point still stands...there was no evidence that Martin had been struck...no bruising, no scrapes or scratches etc. All of the evidence pointed to Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman.
 
2012-07-14 02:06:49 PM  

gimmegimme: But you say Zimmerman "caught up" with Martin.


I say it because there exists certain monumentally retarded people who say that Zimmerman caught up with Martin and confronted him when the last known contact on the 911 calls had Zimmerman losing Martin a short distance from where the final confrontation took place. The confrontation that happened minutes after the Zimmerman 911 call ended. I used the term in quote brackets to mock those huge idiots.
 
2012-07-14 02:06:53 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: And you have proof that it was his actual facebook account and not something made up in a photoshop how?

It could be faked. I'll give you that. But since his facebook was scrubbed of all posts and the other party in the conversation hasn't come forward to debunk it I'd give it weight that it's probably real.


Translation:

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/Outside of white supremecist blogs, this theory hasn't gained any traction
//Just sayin
///Someone needs to photoshop one of these with a can of watermelon ice tea and skittles
 
2012-07-14 02:07:06 PM  
It's okay that he hunted down and shot that child to death, your honor. He got his ass kicked in the process.
 
2012-07-14 02:07:50 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:

I can't make any sense out of anything you just said..so I'm just going to pass.

It was pretty simple, straightforward English. If you can't make sense for it, I just feel bad for you. Feel free to try again if you'd like. Or not. Can't imagine anything of value is lost either way.


Derp
 
2012-07-14 02:08:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.

Why do you care what Martin was doing at the store that night? Was he doing anything illegal? Nope. What relevance does anything you're saying have to the shooting? Are you saying it's okay for random people on psych meds to hunt and stalk teenagers on the off chance those teenagers might be making codeine cocktails?

Disclaimer: I'm not making a judgement as to whether or not he was under the influence of "lean."

But, this would be relevant. Either of the actors here being under the influence of an intoxicating substance would be very ...


Why are you mentioning cough syrup in the first place? Martin had traces of marijuana in his system. I don't know about you, but the only pot-based fights I've heard of have been over the custody of Funyuns. Was his judgment impaired? A man he didn't know was following him in a car and then followed him on foot when Martin tried to avoid a confrontation. Any sane individual would interpret that as a threat, wouldn't they? Why don't you think Trayvon Martin had the right to stand his ground upon feeling threatened?
 
2012-07-14 02:09:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:

I can't make any sense out of anything you just said..so I'm just going to pass.

It was pretty simple, straightforward English. If you can't make sense for it, I just feel bad for you. Feel free to try again if you'd like. Or not. Can't imagine anything of value is lost either way.

Derp


Yes, exactly. I said something easily read and understood, and you responded with, "Derr, I have no idea what this says." Then two posts later, you responded to someone else with "Huh?"

Life must be a big mystery to you. We get it. No need to rub it in with a literal "derp".
 
2012-07-14 02:11:22 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: But you say Zimmerman "caught up" with Martin.

I say it because there exists certain monumentally retarded people who say that Zimmerman caught up with Martin and confronted him when the last known contact on the 911 calls had Zimmerman losing Martin a short distance from where the final confrontation took place. The confrontation that happened minutes after the Zimmerman 911 call ended. I used the term in quote brackets to mock those huge idiots.


So why did Zimmerman get out of the car? (Hint: Martin, in his attempt to avoid a confrontation with the weirdo who was following him, walked to a place cars couldn't go.)
 
2012-07-14 02:13:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Translation: Derp a derp de herp a derp


Yea, you proved it was fake alright. The people who scrubbed his facebook after the shooting didn't cover up anything. They just deleted as much as they could because... because.
 
2012-07-14 02:14:37 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Translation: Derp a derp de herp a derp

Yea, you proved it was fake alright. The people who scrubbed his facebook after the shooting didn't cover up anything. They just deleted as much as they could because... because.


Because racists would try to grasp at straws to slander him?
 
2012-07-14 02:15:43 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.

Why do you care what Martin was doing at the store that night? Was he doing anything illegal? Nope. What relevance does anything you're saying have to the shooting? Are you saying it's okay for random people on psych meds to hunt and stalk teenagers on the off chance those teenagers might be making codeine cocktails?

Disclaimer: I'm not making a judgement as to whether or not he was under the influence of "lean."

But, this would be relevant. Either of the actors here being under the influence of an intoxicating substance ...


1. I was simply conveying to you the reason that being under the influence would be relevant. I even wrote a disclaimer where I said that I wasn't making a judgement as to whether he was under the influence or not. That was evidently too difficult for you to read.
2. You don't have the right to attempt to kill someone for viewing you from a distance in a public place. There's no evidence that Zimmerman ever did or attempted to close the distance between himself and Martin. He was trying to maintain visual contact with Martin from a distance. You cannot kill someone for that "offense."
3. I have been reminded of why you're farkied as "Potato."
 
2012-07-14 02:16:13 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Translation: Derp a derp de herp a derp

Yea, you proved it was fake alright. The people who scrubbed his facebook after the shooting didn't cover up anything. They just deleted as much as they could because... because.


He's dead?

You didn't prove it was real did you?
 
2012-07-14 02:16:22 PM  

gimmegimme: Why are you mentioning cough syrup in the first place? Martin had traces of marijuana in his system. I don't know about you, but the only pot-based fights I've heard of have been over the custody of Funyuns. Was his judgment impaired? A man he didn't know was following him in a car and then followed him on foot when Martin tried to avoid a confrontation. Any sane individual would interpret that as a threat, wouldn't they? Why don't you think Trayvon Martin had the right to stand his ground upon feeling threatened?


And just like Trayvon's tea watermelon drink, your username is a clear indicator of who is at fault in your Funyun-based altercations!
 
2012-07-14 02:17:17 PM  
Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?
 
2012-07-14 02:19:01 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:

I can't make any sense out of anything you just said..so I'm just going to pass.

It was pretty simple, straightforward English. If you can't make sense for it, I just feel bad for you. Feel free to try again if you'd like. Or not. Can't imagine anything of value is lost either way.

Derp

Yes, exactly. I said something easily read and understood, and you responded with, "Derr, I have no idea what this says." Then two posts later, you responded to someone else with "Huh?"

Life must be a big mystery to you. We get it. No need to rub it in with a literal "derp".


I've responded to a great many people in this thread. I have ongoing debates with others in other threads. The fact that I didn't understand your post and the post of one other person might not indicate that my reading comprehension is lacking as much as it indicates that you are incoherent and unclear. If you restate whatever your point was I'd be more than willing to engage you, but as it stands I have no idea what your point was. It seemed to be a mixture of facetiousness and sarcasm, but not quite, so I couldn't tell what your point was.
 
2012-07-14 02:20:24 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. I was simply conveying to you the reason that being under the influence would be relevant. I even wrote a disclaimer where I said that I wasn't making a judgement as to whether he was under the influence or not. That was evidently too difficult for you to read.
2. You don't have the right to attempt to kill someone for viewing you from a distance in a public place. There's no evidence that Zimmerman ever did or attempted to close the distance between himself and Martin. He was trying to maintain visual contact with Martin from a distance. You cannot kill someone for that "offense."
3. I have been reminded of why you're farkied as "Potato."


Dude, when multiple people tell you that they can't understand what the fark you are talking about and that your thoughts are poorly expressed, you should immediately ignore their conclusions. (And why, if you don't affirm its relevance, would you bring up the intoxication thing at all. You know, George Zimmerman could easily have been enraged by memories of the Seinfeld finale. Disclaimer: I am not saying George Zimmerman was enraged by memories of the Seinfeld finale.)

I wish that Zimmerman had only observed Martin from a distance. Instead, he ignored orders and got out of the car and continued his pursuit of Martin. It could indeed be said that, under Stand Your Ground, Martin had the right to kill Zimmerman because Martin certainly could be expected to feel threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit.
 
2012-07-14 02:21:57 PM  

Silly Jesus:
The fact that I didn't understand your post and the post of one other person might not indicate that my reading comprehension is lacking as much as it indicates that you are incoherent and unclear.


We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. My response was mostly monosyllabic, short, concise, and easy to read. I won't make any claims as to why you're incapable of comprehending several posts within the thread, the but the fact does remain.. you're incapable of understanding a lot of stuff going on, by your own admission. Take that for what it's worth. In the meantime, it's everyone else who is "Derp", "Huh?" and "Potato". Not you.
 
2012-07-14 02:22:11 PM  
I'm waiting Mrbogey:

Prove to me that Facebook screenshot is from his real facebook account.

Prove to me that you're just not taking it for it's word because you agree with the narrative of painting Trayvon Martin as a drug-making thug because all black people do that in your eyes.

I'm waiting....
 
2012-07-14 02:23:33 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?


I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.
 
2012-07-14 02:24:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.


Whatever you want to believe I guess...I can't stop you.
 
2012-07-14 02:24:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.


Can you provide proof as to who took down Martin's facebook account and when they did so?
 
2012-07-14 02:25:43 PM  
It's just amazing how desperate the Zimmerman defenders are to make this new theory of Martin buying these things to make drugs, stick.

It's funny and pathetic at the same time.
 
2012-07-14 02:25:51 PM  

gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: Silly Jesus: Thrag: Silly Jesus: As to your point about him not getting the main ingredient at the store...the 7/11 typically doesn't sell prescription grade cough syrup.

So you are telling me that not only did he not have the main ingredient but he wouldn't even have had access to it? Well, thanks for pointing out again how completely idiotic it is to claim that having juice and candy is proof that they are a chronic drug abuser.

I merely said that he would / could not have purchased the main ingredient at the 7/11. That in no way rules out the possibility of him having any. I went out and got some bread yesterday and I made a pbj when I got home. You see, I didn't purchase all of the ingredients at the store at once, there were "leftovers" in my cabinet from previous pbj's.
(Caveat: Not arguing that he did or didn't have cough syrup already at his house, or that he was or was not making this drink...merely pointing our your failed logic)

I'll add one other thing. Many people who intend to assemble illicit objects like bombs, drugs, etc tend to spread the purchases out for the various components to not draw attention to themselves. If I walk into a store and buy a bunch of fertilizer, diesel, pipe, pipe ends, wire, batteries, and one small alarm clock it would look suspicious. Maybe somebody who doesn't want people to know he drinks purple drank doesn't buy all the ingredients in the place.

Why do you care what Martin was doing at the store that night? Was he doing anything illegal? Nope. What relevance does anything you're saying have to the shooting? Are you saying it's okay for random people on psych meds to hunt and stalk teenagers on the off chance those teenagers might be making codeine cocktails?


I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion.
 
2012-07-14 02:27:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion clearly racist justification for the shooting.


FTFY
 
2012-07-14 02:32:22 PM  
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2012-07-14 02:33:08 PM  
This thread is missing one thing.


Christmas Troll.
 
2012-07-14 02:33:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: 1. I was simply conveying to you the reason that being under the influence would be relevant. I even wrote a disclaimer where I said that I wasn't making a judgement as to whether he was under the influence or not. That was evidently too difficult for you to read.
2. You don't have the right to attempt to kill someone for viewing you from a distance in a public place. There's no evidence that Zimmerman ever did or attempted to close the distance between himself and Martin. He was trying to maintain visual contact with Martin from a distance. You cannot kill someone for that "offense."
3. I have been reminded of why you're farkied as "Potato."

Dude, when multiple people tell you that they can't understand what the fark you are talking about and that your thoughts are poorly expressed, you should immediately ignore their conclusions. (And why, if you don't affirm its relevance, would you bring up the intoxication thing at all. You know, George Zimmerman could easily have been enraged by memories of the Seinfeld finale. Disclaimer: I am not saying George Zimmerman was enraged by memories of the Seinfeld finale.)

I wish that Zimmerman had only observed Martin from a distance. Instead, he ignored orders and got out of the car and continued his pursuit of Martin. It could indeed be said that, under Stand Your Ground, Martin had the right to kill Zimmerman because Martin certainly could be expected to feel threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit.


1. I didn't bring it up, someone else in the thread did. What you latched on to was a response to them. Potato.
2.
a. They weren't orders...the dispatcher is a civilian. I know that this has been pointed out to you numerous times...why is it that you always ignore it and repeat the derp?
b. Was was given was a suggestion. "We don't need you to do that."
c. It didn't have anything to do with getting out of his car.
I know that all of these things have been explained to you over and over...it's the original reason that I farkied you as Potato, and I am regretting engaging you again after avoiding it for so long...
3. It wasn't a pursuit. A pursuit means that there is the goal of catching someone / something. There is no indication that Zimmerman wanted to close the distance and "catch" Martin.
4. No, it's quite clear that SYG or not, you can't kill someone for observing you in public.
 
2012-07-14 02:34:06 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
The fact that I didn't understand your post and the post of one other person might not indicate that my reading comprehension is lacking as much as it indicates that you are incoherent and unclear.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. My response was mostly monosyllabic, short, concise, and easy to read. I won't make any claims as to why you're incapable of comprehending several posts within the thread, the but the fact does remain.. you're incapable of understanding a lot of stuff going on, by your own admission. Take that for what it's worth. In the meantime, it's everyone else who is "Derp", "Huh?" and "Potato". Not you.


Derp
 
2012-07-14 02:34:16 PM  

gimmegimme: (Hint: Martin, in his attempt to avoid a confrontation with the weirdo who was following him, walked to a place cars couldn't go.)


Why did Martin double back and confront Zimmerman? Unless you're asserting that a 17yr old could only run a few dozen feet in 2 minutes.

Mrtraveler01: You didn't prove it was real did you?


The ease with which it could be debunked and the lack of said debunking says all there needs to be.

Mrtraveler01: ...all black people do that in your eyes.


You have a problem with reading racism into anything out of convenience. I don't believe all black people do drugs. Do I believe a 17yr old would try out different easy to make drug combinations? Yea... because that's what teens do. Stupid things.

In this case, Martin did something stupid (assault a guy who pissed him off) and he got killed for it.

Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?


Why delete it? I know several people who've died and their accounts are still there.
 
2012-07-14 02:35:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.

Whatever you want to believe I guess...I can't stop you.


Is there some other valid reason for portraying Martin as a 12 year old?
 
2012-07-14 02:35:41 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:


img.photobucket.com

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?


FTFY
 
2012-07-14 02:37:05 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: You didn't prove it was real did you?

The ease with which it could be debunked and the lack of said debunking says all there needs to be.


And the lack of proof that you have it's real makes it real in your eyes. Got it!

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: ...all black people do that in your eyes.

You have a problem with reading racism into anything out of convenience. I don't believe all black people do drugs. Do I believe a 17yr old would try out different easy to make drug combinations? Yea... because that's what teens do. Stupid things.


Which is why he deserved to get shot.

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

Why delete it? I know several people who've died and their accounts are still there.


Did the several people you know have the same noteriety as Treyvon Martin.

But like I said, if you want to believe it's true, be my guest, but that doesn't mean it's actually true.
 
2012-07-14 02:37:06 PM  
Zimmerman followed, shot point blank, and killed a 17 year old child. Not a 12 year old child. This is an extremely important distinction to some people.
 
2012-07-14 02:38:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.

Whatever you want to believe I guess...I can't stop you.

Is there some other valid reason for portraying Martin as a 12 year old?


Obviously it's to cover up the fact that he's really a drug making thug.

We're through the looking glass now.
 
2012-07-14 02:38:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion clearly racist justification for the shooting.

FTFY


pandagon.net
 
2012-07-14 02:40:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Let me ask this Mrbogey:

Why does a dead teenager need a Facebook account?

I know that the first thing on the minds of most parents when their teenage child is shot and killed is to quickly take down their facebook page, because, you know, he won't be using it anymore. That would be on the forefront of my mind too. I wouldn't want to needlessly burden facebook's servers with my dead child's account.

You know, either that, or they couldn't paint their false picture of their son (the angel embryo) and Zimmerman (the racist Nazi vigilante) if the content of his page was available. Do you really think that the only picture available was one of him as a 12 year old? The spin started early.

Whatever you want to believe I guess...I can't stop you.

Is there some other valid reason for portraying Martin as a 12 year old?

Obviously it's to cover up the fact that he's really a drug making thug.

We're through the looking glass now.


www.misterbees.net
 
2012-07-14 02:41:06 PM  
Silly Jesus:

frommetoworld.files.wordpress.com

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How do you explain the striking similarities between Zimmerman and The Rock?
 
2012-07-14 02:45:07 PM  
To be fair, things would have gone down entirely differently if it were actually the Rock instead of Zimmerman.

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.
 
2012-07-14 02:45:13 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Which is why he deserved to get shot.


He deserved to get shot because he was punching someone in the face that he had pinned to the ground.

That he did drugs and idolized gang culture is a rebut to the nonsense that he was a good kid who would never do something reckless like assault someone.

Tourney3p0: Zimmerman followed, shot point blank, and killed a 17 year old child. Not a 12 year old child. This is an extremely important distinction to some people.


Yes, everyone is aware that when you omit facts and context you can make something look bad. A 17yr old is much larger and more threatening than a 12yr old.

Remember when police opened fire on that fellow on bath salts trying to assist that homeless man?
 
2012-07-14 02:46:03 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus:

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How do you explain the striking similarities between Zimmerman and The Rock?


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2012-07-14 02:46:23 PM  

Thunderpipes: CliChe Guevara: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.

That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.

Everyone else never would have had charges filed against them, because George did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug. Then the media stepped in, lied blatantly, President stepped in, every other racist liberal in the country.

See if you like it when some black dude is railroaded for something he clearly did not do....

You guys are really sick. Hitler could have used you guys.


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You're doing it right.
Any person who kills another in that manner should be arrested, charged, and have their day in court in front of a jury. If they aren't guilty, then they walk.

I do like how the Zimmerman supporters keep clinging to debunked evidence and myths.
 
2012-07-14 02:47:15 PM  

cretinbob: I do like how the Zimmerman supporters keep clinging to debunked evidence and myths.


Again. Citation needed.

Lots of claims of debunking and evidence but none presented.
 
2012-07-14 02:47:37 PM  

Mrbogey: Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.

You should actually read the questioning. The lawyer asked her to estimate and she declined saying she couldn't give an estimate of current funds. You can argue that she was dishonest and should have volunteered extra information but I'm sure most people can understand why a person wouldn't volunteer extra information to a prosecutor.
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You're right that I didn't read the transcript; but if that's the only issue you take with what I said the main point still stands. He lied and it looked like he was gonna flee with a bunch of "found money." If he wants to get all butthurt about the judge saying he looks like a liar, maybe there shouldn't be all these discrepancies.
 
2012-07-14 02:47:55 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Which is why he deserved to get shot.

He deserved to get shot because he was punching someone in the face that he had pinned to the ground.


Hey, genius. Isn't this basically your justification for Martin killing Zimmerman? He deserved to get his brains bashed in because he started a physical altercation with someone he tried to pin to the ground.

//Stand Your Ground works both ways, duder.
 
2012-07-14 02:47:56 PM  

Tourney3p0: To be fair, things would have gone down entirely differently if it were actually the Rock instead of Zimmerman.

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.


FTFY
 
2012-07-14 02:48:20 PM  

Mrbogey:

Zimmerman followed, shot point blank, and killed a 17 year old child. Not a 12 year old child. This is an extremely important distinction to some people.

Yes, everyone is aware that when you omit facts and context you can make something look bad. A 17yr old is much larger and more threatening than a 12yr old.

Remember when police opened fire on that fellow on bath salts trying to assist that homeless man?


Zimmerman followed, shot point blank, and killed someone who was more threatening than someone else.

You're right. That changes it completely.
 
2012-07-14 02:48:35 PM  

chewielouie: Yes, Zimmerman is a dumbass but the judge has made some comments that would make anyone feel they would not be able to get a fair trial in front of him. The judge's colorful commentary regarding the bond hearing simply wasn't necessary. Some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and even judge's make stupid decisions. He should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, Zimmerman's lawyer will no doubt appeal.


Judge's what?
 
2012-07-14 02:50:56 PM  

cretinbob: Thunderpipes: CliChe Guevara: cretinbob: I think the judge has been quite fair with Zimmerman and is making sure he goes through the process just like everyone else.

That's the point. He has tried to play the system at every turn. He feels he shouldn't have to go through the process like everyone else, and that treating him like a normal person -IS- discriminatory and degrading to him.

Everyone else never would have had charges filed against them, because George did nothing but defend himself against a gangster thug. Then the media stepped in, lied blatantly, President stepped in, every other racist liberal in the country.

See if you like it when some black dude is railroaded for something he clearly did not do....

You guys are really sick. Hitler could have used you guys.

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You're doing it right.
Any person who kills another in that manner should be arrested, charged, and have their day in court in front of a jury. If they aren't guilty, then they walk.

I do like how the Zimmerman supporters keep clinging to debunked evidence and myths.


1. The U.S. legal system doesn't work that way. You don't get put on trial when there is no evidence that you've committed a crime. The prosecution has already admitted that they don't know who started the fight...the entire case relies on that fact and they can't refute Zimmerman's account of what happened.
2. Please cite some debunked evidence and myths.
 
2012-07-14 02:51:01 PM  

Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

 
2012-07-14 02:53:06 PM  

gimmegimme: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Which is why he deserved to get shot.

He deserved to get shot because he was punching someone in the face that he had pinned to the ground.


Hey, genius. Isn't this basically your justification for Martin killing Zimmerman? He deserved to get his brains bashed in because he started a physical altercation with someone he tried to pin to the ground.

//Stand Your Ground works both ways, duder.


I have to admit, you are amazing at this. You've had me going for quite awhile.

11/10!
 
2012-07-14 02:53:16 PM  

Mrbogey: cretinbob: I do like how the Zimmerman supporters keep clinging to debunked evidence and myths.

Again. Citation needed.

Lots of claims of debunking and evidence but none presented.


I'm still waiting for proof that Facebook screencap is legit but I guess I shouldn't hold my breath huh?
 
2012-07-14 02:54:12 PM  

gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion clearly racist justification for the shooting.

FTFY


That very well may be. I don't really know one way or the other. I don't know either of these people. I suspect that neither do you or anybody else in this thread. I will say that I am conflicted as I have dated a Hispanic and served with dozens of Hispanics in the Army. I have witnessed the depth of the bigotry that they are capable of. At the same time the leaders of minority communities tell us that minorities are incapable of racism. So which to believe...

But that all gets away from what was being talked about which was why somebody would not buy all the ingredients to some drink at the same location. That somebody doesn't have to be Martin.

I commend you on your attempt to divert me off point. Nice try. I don't hold it against you.
 
2012-07-14 02:55:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus:

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How do you explain the striking similarities between Zimmerman and The Rock?

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The Black Panthers came to Sanford

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Because of their sons had been shot. Sanford and Son was a TV show

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In which Redd Foxx would feign heart attacks and call for his wife Elizabeth

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Also the name of the current British Queen

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Queen. The rock band. Had a song: "Another One Bites the Dust."

I can see it now. This has been in the planning for so long.
 
2012-07-14 02:55:19 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.


SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.
 
2012-07-14 02:56:25 PM  

Mrbogey: Why delete it? I know several people who've died and their accounts are still there.


Did they die of boredom or resignation?
 
2012-07-14 02:58:27 PM  

Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.


Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

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2012-07-14 02:58:48 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion clearly racist justification for the shooting.

FTFY

That very well may be. I don't really know one way or the other. I don't know either of these people. I suspect that neither do you or anybody else in this thread. I will say that I am conflicted as I have dated a Hispanic and served with dozens of Hispanics in the Army. I have witnessed the depth of the bigotry that they are capable of. At the same time the leaders of minority communities tell us that minorities are incapable of racism. So which to believe...

But that all gets away from what was being talked about which was why somebody would not buy all the ingredients to some drink at the same location. That somebody doesn't have to be Martin.

I commend you on your attempt to divert me off point. Nice try. I don't hold it against you.


This is a really hard example...so be careful in following along.

I was making a cake one day. I looked in the kitchen and had all of the ingredients except for butter and eggs. I went to the store and bought butter and eggs, and when I got home I combined them with my other ingredients and baked a cake. You may ask, how in the world did you bake that cake when you didn't buy all of the ingredients at the same time and at the same location, I would say to you, it is the magic of cabinets and leftover items from previous usage.
 
2012-07-14 02:58:51 PM  

Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.


It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.
 
2012-07-14 03:00:58 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.


Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.
 
2012-07-14 03:04:07 PM  

gimmegimme: He deserved to get his brains bashed in because he started a physical altercation with someone he tried to pin to the ground.


No injuries were found on Martin. Your assertion that Zimmerman started the fight is absurd as Martin is the one who came back to confront Zimmerman.

Mrtraveler01: I'm still waiting for proof that Facebook screencap is legit but I guess I shouldn't hold my breath huh?


I stated that it may not be legit. There's no evidence either way. But there's been no debunking of it either despite the ease. Ergo I should review it suspiciously but not discount it.
 
2012-07-14 03:04:16 PM  

Silly Jesus:

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.


So why misrepresent? You clearly know that he was being followed. A guy with a gun in an SUV followed a kid around on his way back from the store. The kid then entered an area that couldn't be followed in the SUV, be it on purpose or otherwise, and the guy with the gun got out and continued the pursuit. And you describe this as "looking at". You're dishonest and you know it.
 
2012-07-14 03:04:25 PM  

Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.


Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."
 
2012-07-14 03:04:30 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

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2012-07-14 03:05:18 PM  
I've said it before: Subtract the gun from the equation, and you would have two guys who were immediately arrested and jailed, followed by both of them facing charges of aggravated assault. If anything is outrageous about this case, it's the fact that a dead body almost made the case a non-issue before the press and public picked up on it.
 
2012-07-14 03:05:51 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: He deserved to get his brains bashed in because he started a physical altercation with someone he tried to pin to the ground.

No injuries were found on Martin. Your assertion that Zimmerman started the fight is absurd as Martin is the one who came back to confront Zimmerman.


Are you aware that Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from "intermediate range"? Does that count as an injury?
 
2012-07-14 03:06:17 PM  

gimmegimme: Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."


So the legal resource to "I'm not touching you" is assault.
 
2012-07-14 03:07:01 PM  

Mrbogey: I stated that it may not be legit. There's no evidence either way. But there's been no debunking of it either despite the ease. Ergo I should review it suspiciously but not discount it.


What kind of logic is that.

If you don't have proof of something, then obviously there's no need to believe it.

So in this case, unless you have proof that this is more than a photoshop from a white supremecist blog, then there's no reason for me to believe it.
 
2012-07-14 03:07:39 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

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Is that a yes?

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2012-07-14 03:10:19 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."

So the legal resource to "I'm not touching you" is assault.


I'm agreeing with you. In fact, this very night, I'm going to wait until someone passes my house and then I'm going to follow them in my car. If they go to a place where I can't drive, I am going to get out of my car and follow them on foot. The person won't feel threatened at all. If they do, that's their problem. I just declared myself a neighborhood watch Kommandant with all of the powers of the position.
 
2012-07-14 03:10:27 PM  

gimmegimme: Are you aware that Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from "intermediate range"? Does that count as an injury?


That's from after Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Stop trying to be obtuse. There were no injuries found on Martin consistent with Zimmerman assaulting him, trying to pin him, or anything of that sort. There were no grass stains on Martins clothes. There was no bruising to his face. Nothing. Nothing supports your assertion that Zimmerman asdsaulted Martin.

thamike: I've said it before: Subtract the gun from the equation, and you would have two guys who were immediately arrested and jailed, followed by both of them facing charges of aggravated assault. If anything is outrageous about this case, it's the fact that a dead body almost made the case a non-issue before the press and public picked up on it.


Actually, in all likelihood, they'd both be detained. Statements taken and then released. Martin would likely be brought back in on assault charges and Zimmerman would be walking the street telling people about the time he got assaulted in his neighborhood for following a suspicious kid.
 
2012-07-14 03:13:03 PM  

Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

So why misrepresent? You clearly know that he was being followed. A guy with a gun in an SUV followed a kid around on his way back from the store. The kid then entered an area that couldn't be followed in the SUV, be it on purpose or otherwise, and the guy with the gun got out and continued the pursuit. And you describe this as "looking at". You're dishonest and you know it.


Repeatedly mentioning the presence of the gun is disingenuous, and you know it. If he had it out and pointed at Martin, that's one thing, but there is no evidence of that whatsoever. You are implying, by saying it repeatedly, that anyone who carries a concealed weapon is inherently a danger to everyone yadda yadda yadda. It weakens your entire argument. Also, your repeated use of the word "pursuit" implies that he was attempting to catch Martin, which there is no evidence of. Words have meanings. You are dishonest and you know it.

There is no indication, whatsoever, that Zimmerman intended to do anything other than observe Martin from a distance. He was on the phone with 911 the whole time...he knew the police were on the way...and there is no indication that he attempted to close the distance between he and Martin or to make physical contact with him. Both men were in a public place and one was following and viewing the other from a distance and relaying that information to the police. Those actions do not at all approach anything that would justify a beating...much less a beating of the severity of the one that occurred. Furthermore, all evidence and logic point to Martin initiating the contact (if he'd continued running he would have easily been home...he either circled back or was hiding and came out to confront Zimmerman)...the prosecution has admitted that there is no evidence indicating that Martin did not initiate the physical contact and the physical evidence (lack of any signs of Martin being punched / beaten etc.) backs up Zimmerman's story that he was attacked.
 
2012-07-14 03:13:15 PM  

gimmegimme: If they do, that's their problem. I just declared myself a neighborhood watch Kommandant with all of the powers of the position.


Odds are they'll call the cops on you for following them. Not double back and assault you. The cops would then take a statement and advise you to leave before they find some reason to get you and then advise the followee to seek a restraint order.

You do realize police don't arrest people because they're following you in public places, right? You actually need to build a case of harassment and get a judicial order against them.
 
2012-07-14 03:13:16 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Are you aware that Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from "intermediate range"? Does that count as an injury?

That's from after Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Stop trying to be obtuse. There were no injuries found on Martin consistent with Zimmerman assaulting him, trying to pin him, or anything of that sort. There were no grass stains on Martins clothes. There was no bruising to his face. Nothing. Nothing supports your assertion that Zimmerman asdsaulted Martin.


I'm planning on starting a barfight after I stalk my prey. I'm going to find the biggest guy in the biker bar and tell him that I just kicked over his Harley. How much injury must I sustain before I am allowed to shoot him in the chest from intermediate range?
 
2012-07-14 03:14:26 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."


And then the kid that had the finger in his face tried to kill the pointer because SYG.

amidoinitright?
 
2012-07-14 03:14:33 PM  

Silly Jesus: SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.


You must be taking Viagra. It's the only way you could fark that chicken so long and hard. Yet, you know for a fact:

Silly Jesus: The prosecution has already admitted that they don't know who started the fight


...that there is no proof who started the fight. You do not know why Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Zimmerman may very well have assaulted Martin first, and you know it. Please stop with the "you can assault someone for watching you from a distance". It would be pretty damn hard to assault someone from a distance. They came together at some point.
 
2012-07-14 03:14:35 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: If they do, that's their problem. I just declared myself a neighborhood watch Kommandant with all of the powers of the position.

Odds are they'll call the cops on you for following them. Not double back and assault you. The cops would then take a statement and advise you to leave before they find some reason to get you and then advise the followee to seek a restraint order.

You do realize police don't arrest people because they're following you in public places, right? You actually need to build a case of harassment and get a judicial order against them.


What if I ignore the officials who tell me to fark off and keep following the person? What do I deserve in that case?
 
2012-07-14 03:15:18 PM  

gimmegimme: Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Are you aware that Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from "intermediate range"? Does that count as an injury?

That's from after Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Stop trying to be obtuse. There were no injuries found on Martin consistent with Zimmerman assaulting him, trying to pin him, or anything of that sort. There were no grass stains on Martins clothes. There was no bruising to his face. Nothing. Nothing supports your assertion that Zimmerman asdsaulted Martin.

I'm planning on starting a barfight after I stalk my prey. I'm going to find the biggest guy in the biker bar and tell him that I just kicked over his Harley. How much injury must I sustain before I am allowed to shoot him in the chest from intermediate range?


There's just something wrong with you.
 
2012-07-14 03:16:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."

And then the kid that had the finger in his face tried to kill the pointer because SYG.

amidoinitright?


If you're in Florida, that's perfectly legal so long as you feel threatened, apparently.
 
2012-07-14 03:17:03 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

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[25.media.tumblr.com image 496x368]

Is that a yes?

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2012-07-14 03:17:52 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."

And then the kid that had the finger in his face tried to kill the pointer because SYG.

amidoinitright?

If you're in Florida, that's perfectly legal so long as you feel threatened, apparently.


Apparently you severely misunderstand the law.

The fear for your life has to be REASONABLE.
 
2012-07-14 03:17:59 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

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Is that a yes?

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That's the smartest thing you've said in this whole thread.
 
2012-07-14 03:18:12 PM  

NightOwl2255: Zimmerman may very well have assaulted Martin first, and you know it.


Injuries typical of being assaulted were only found on Zimmerman.

What's the argument going to be? Zimmerman convinced Martin to stop running and come out? That he then taunted him by placing his finger an inch from his face and said "I'm not touching you"??
 
2012-07-14 03:23:43 PM  

Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."

And then the kid that had the finger in his face tried to kill the pointer because SYG.

amidoinitright?

If you're in Florida, that's perfectly legal so long as you feel threatened, apparently.

Apparently you severely misunderstand the law.

The fear for your life has to be REASONABLE.


Like, say, if the person stalking and confronting you has a gun and you do not?
 
2012-07-14 03:24:16 PM  

NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

You must be taking Viagra. It's the only way you could fark that chicken so long and hard. Yet, you know for a fact:
Silly Jesus: The prosecution has already admitted that they don't know who started the fight

...that there is no proof who started the fight. You do not know why Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Zimmerman may very well have assaulted Martin first, and you know it. Please stop with the "you can assault someone for watching you from a distance". It would be pretty damn hard to assault someone from a distance. They came together at some point.


1. So Martin could have been assaulted first by Zimmerman and yet there are no bruises or abrasions or grass stains or black eyes or cuts or scrapes on Martin. Brilliant. Please do expand on this theory of yours...just how did Zimmerman assault Martin to the extent that he feared for his life (necessary to justify the injuries he inflicted on Zimmerman) while at the same time not leaving a single mark on him?
2. All evidence indicates that Martin came back to Zimmerman.
 
2012-07-14 03:26:32 PM  

LordJiro: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus:
SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

It sure doesn't. It could possibly mean you can fight back against someone who is following you in the middle of the night, though. Big difference between "looking at" and "following". They were well away from the SUV during the shooting, which you should know. He was definitely followed. If you disagree, I am sorry. You are wrong.

There are lots of unknowns in this case. We can speculate, and we can argue, but we'll likely never know these things. This is not one of them. If you're not familiar with these facts, you probably shouldn't be in this thread.

Yes, you can fight back against someone who attacks you...there is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and the prosecution has admitted as much in open court and under oath.

Darn right. It's like when you were a kid and you pointed your index finger in someone's face and said, "I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you...."

And then the kid that had the finger in his face tried to kill the pointer because SYG.

amidoinitright?

If you're in Florida, that's perfectly legal so long as you feel threatened, apparently.

Apparently you severely misunderstand the law.

The fear for your life has to be REASONABLE.

Like, say, if the person stalking and confronting you has a gun and you do not?


1. It wasn't stalking.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin...all evidence actually points in the other direction.
3. No evidence that Martin was aware of the gun at any point before the altercation.
 
2012-07-14 03:27:07 PM  

cryinoutloud: If Zimmer-farking-dumbass hadn't gotten out of his car that night, Martin wouldn't have died. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.


also waaaaay too much information has been given out already. There should have been a gag order slapped on at the beginning of this.
 
2012-07-14 03:27:54 PM  

gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: gimmegimme: Silly Jesus: Tourney3p0: Silly Jesus: .

There would be no need to exit the SUV, cross the road, enter a residential pedestrian area, find an unarmed child, who is committing a violent felony by attempting to kill you for looking at him standing his ground and shoot him in the chest. Martin would have simply smelled what the Rock was cooking and naturally gone to the SUV on his own. Just like that, a self defense claim that isn't laughable.

SYG doesn't mean you can kill someone for looking at you.

Does SYG mean you can kill someone you're looking at?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x165]

[25.media.tumblr.com image 496x368]

Is that a yes?

[collider.com image 339x344]

That's the smartest thing you've said in this whole thread.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-14 03:30:56 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No apologies for the last line. With all the evidence released the past few days....you have to be a retard to still believe Zimmerman is a racist who hunted down Trayvon Martin. And, yes, pretty much, the only people still supporting Trayvon are Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals

And, Fox News is just as pro Trayvon propaganda than the rest of them....so it is not so much a left-right thing. Also, you have a GOP governor and a GOP Florida atty general pushing the case. I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

And, yes, this judge will be removed. His choice will be: A. On His Own OR B. By law enforcement when he disobeys a higher court order.


The more I see about this, the more it looks like Zimmerman is being Nifonged, except in Zimmerman's case there are a lot more people involved in doing it.
 
2012-07-14 03:33:00 PM  

cryinoutloud: If Zimmer-farking-dumbass hadn't gotten out of his car that night, Martin wouldn't have died. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.


And if a woman hadn't dressed so provocatively and walked down the street, she'd never have been raped. Quality thinking there.
 
2012-07-14 03:34:43 PM  
I want a new judge
One that does what he should...

{something, something, something to the tune of I Want a New Drug...}
 
2012-07-14 03:35:00 PM  

Silly Jesus: 2. All evidence indicates that Martin came back to Zimmerman.


Actually, compelling evidence of who confronted whom hasn't been found. It's inconclusive, according to the legal parties involved. What the evidence may or may not indicate to you or me is meaningless.
 
2012-07-14 03:38:17 PM  

DancingElkCondor: With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman


Really, do I need to tell you what a 360 is?
 
2012-07-14 03:39:39 PM  

thamike: Silly Jesus: 2. All evidence indicates that Martin came back to Zimmerman.

Actually, compelling evidence of who confronted whom hasn't been found. It's inconclusive, according to the legal parties involved. What the evidence may or may not indicate to you or me is meaningless.


They don't know who threw the first punch...however, it's pretty easy to figure out that Zimmerman wasn't the one that closed the distance between the two.

Martin, a fit, high school athlete, took off running around the corner of the building. Zimmerman lost sight of him and ran/jogged to the corner of the building to attempt to regain sight of Martin. If Martin had continued to run to his apartment, which he could have easily reached, they never would have come into contact that night. Zimmerman stayed in the general area of that corner of the building. This is uncontested, from what I've seen. That means that either Martin was hiding in that general vicinity and at some point came out of hiding, or that he circled around the building and came back.
 
2012-07-14 03:40:18 PM  

jjorsett: cryinoutloud: If Zimmer-farking-dumbass hadn't gotten out of his car that night, Martin wouldn't have died. That's the bottom line, and the rest of it is just details.

And if a woman hadn't dressed so provocatively and walked down the street, she'd never have been raped. Quality thinking there.


Did you just compare a murder suspect to a rape victim?
 
2012-07-14 03:41:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: thamike: Silly Jesus: 2. All evidence indicates that Martin came back to Zimmerman.

Actually, compelling evidence of who confronted whom hasn't been found. It's inconclusive, according to the legal parties involved. What the evidence may or may not indicate to you or me is meaningless.

They don't know who threw the first punch...however, it's pretty easy to figure out that Zimmerman wasn't the one that closed the distance between the two.

Martin, a fit, high school athlete, took off running around the corner of the building. Zimmerman lost sight of him and ran/jogged to the corner of the building to attempt to regain sight of Martin. If Martin had continued to run to his apartment, which he could have easily reached, they never would have come into contact that night. Zimmerman stayed in the general area of that corner of the building. This is uncontested, from what I've seen. That means that either Martin was hiding in that general vicinity and at some point came out of hiding, or that he circled around the building and came back.


You and the other guy have chosen to completely miss my point, for whatever reason.
 
2012-07-14 03:45:37 PM  
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2012-07-14 03:46:25 PM  

thamike: Silly Jesus: thamike: Silly Jesus: 2. All evidence indicates that Martin came back to Zimmerman.

Actually, compelling evidence of who confronted whom hasn't been found. It's inconclusive, according to the legal parties involved. What the evidence may or may not indicate to you or me is meaningless.

They don't know who threw the first punch...however, it's pretty easy to figure out that Zimmerman wasn't the one that closed the distance between the two.

Martin, a fit, high school athlete, took off running around the corner of the building. Zimmerman lost sight of him and ran/jogged to the corner of the building to attempt to regain sight of Martin. If Martin had continued to run to his apartment, which he could have easily reached, they never would have come into contact that night. Zimmerman stayed in the general area of that corner of the building. This is uncontested, from what I've seen. That means that either Martin was hiding in that general vicinity and at some point came out of hiding, or that he circled around the building and came back.

You and the other guy have chosen to completely miss my point, for whatever reason.


Yes, we CHOSE to miss it. Maybe your point wasn't made very well, or maybe we are just both stupid. Either is probably equally valid.
 
2012-07-14 03:46:48 PM  

Aikidogamer: DancingElkCondor: With the FBI determining that Zimmerman is not a racist...and that black officers were pressuring the Sanford PD investigator to drum up charges....this case has turned 360 in favor of Zimmerman

Really, do I need to tell you what a 360 is?


That's some funny shiat.
 
2012-07-14 03:53:30 PM  

Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.


I know I can't wait to see black people burn their own neighborhoods down. I wonder if they'll be able to beat Chicago on the death meter during that time. It'll be hard. 20 people got shot to death there last weekend. I'll either be at work at sitting at home watching it on tv drinking some ice tea.
 
2012-07-14 03:59:41 PM  

gimmegimme: barneyfifesbullet: The prosecution will use this pretty damned convincingly.

The prosecutor is a wackjob and will be quite entertaining if it is televised. She recently threatened to sue Harvard because a professor there criticized her, among other silliness. Stupid freedom of speech.

The narrative on Zimmerman has failed hard. The only thing they might get him on is a civil case. Meanwhile Zimmerman has a hell of a case against many major media outlets if he decides to pursue it.

He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

Well, there is the fact that Zimmerman stalked and hunted an unarmed teenager and shot the kid when he started losing the fight he himself provoked.


Fact that this is what liberals actually believe is just friggin sad.
 
2012-07-14 04:02:17 PM  

DempseySR26: Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.

I know I can't wait to see black people burn their own neighborhoods down. I wonder if they'll be able to beat Chicago on the death meter during that time. It'll be hard. 20 people got shot to death there last weekend. I'll either be at work at sitting at home watching it on tv drinking some ice tea.


baasbraal.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-14 04:04:49 PM  

jjorsett: DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No apologies for the last line. With all the evidence released the past few days....you have to be a retard to still believe Zimmerman is a racist who hunted down Trayvon Martin. And, yes, pretty much, the only people still supporting Trayvon are Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals

And, Fox News is just as pro Trayvon propaganda than the rest of them....so it is not so much a left-right thing. Also, you have a GOP governor and a GOP Florida atty general pushing the case. I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

And, yes, this judge will be removed. His choice will be: A. On His Own OR B. By law enforcement when he disobeys a higher court order.

The more I see about this, the more it looks like Zimmerman is being Nifonged, except in Zimmerman's case there are a lot more people involved in doing it.


I wasn't aware that the Duke Lacrosse players were found standing over a dead body and holding a smoking gun.
 
2012-07-14 04:07:19 PM  
"The motion was revealed as one of two Zimmerman case documents released Friday. The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public"

I didn't know this was a rape rape trial.
 
2012-07-14 04:10:51 PM  

DempseySR26: Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.

I know I can't wait to see black people burn their own neighborhoods down. I wonder if they'll be able to beat Chicago on the death meter during that time. It'll be hard. 20 people got shot to death there last weekend. I'll either be at work at sitting at home watching it on tv drinking some ice tea.


You must have been having a blast the past 40 years watching white America burn the planet down on tv. Did you orgasm before TARP was passed? The body counts in Iraq and Afghanistan beat most records set in burning US cities. I'm guessing Timothy McVeigh is your personal hero? You know, OJ was amateur compared to him.
 
2012-07-14 04:15:18 PM  

missiv: DempseySR26: Frank N Stein: When Zimmerman is found innocent, the riots will provide plenty of entertainment on TV.

I know I can't wait to see black people burn their own neighborhoods down. I wonder if they'll be able to beat Chicago on the death meter during that time. It'll be hard. 20 people got shot to death there last weekend. I'll either be at work at sitting at home watching it on tv drinking some ice tea.

You must have been having a blast the past 40 years watching white America burn the planet down on tv. Did you orgasm before TARP was passed? The body counts in Iraq and Afghanistan beat most records set in burning US cities. I'm guessing Timothy McVeigh is your personal hero? You know, OJ was amateur compared to him.


Right-wingers don't count those people because they're brown. It's the same principle that makes right-wingers demand racial profiling to find the next Osama and deny we need to find the next McVeigh. (For example, that Secret Service agent who literally made threats against the First Lady. Shouldn't we be asking Secret Service agents if they are Freepers?)
 
2012-07-14 04:16:46 PM  

Wyalt Derp: "The motion was revealed as one of two Zimmerman case documents released Friday. The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public"

I didn't know this was a rape rape trial.


I read an article a while back that claimed that the prosecution has emails where Zimmerman tosses around the N word, some before the shooting and others after. Talk about some fuel for the fire if he's acquitted.
 
2012-07-14 04:20:16 PM  

consider this: Wyalt Derp: "The motion was revealed as one of two Zimmerman case documents released Friday. The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public"

I didn't know this was a rape rape trial.

I read an article a while back that claimed that the prosecution has emails where Zimmerman tosses around the N word, some before the shooting and others after. Talk about some fuel for the fire if he's acquitted.


Oh, stop it. That rumor is fake. The rumor about Trayvon Martin using his Facebook to sell Skittle Heroin is real.
 
2012-07-14 04:20:32 PM  

Raharu: Hey aren't you the guy who thinks the president is secretly working with the black panthers?


I TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE MY POINT EVEN MORE TRUE!!! Besides, wtf does that have to do with Z & dead skittle boy?

But since YOU brought it up... they did have their own little campaign page in 2008... then the Obama admin pulled it

3.bp.blogspot.com


But we won't mention the rally pic with Obama surrounded by black panthers... naw.

mediamatters.org


oops...
 
2012-07-14 04:20:35 PM  

DempseySR26: ice tea.


It's "iced tea," you uncultured ape!
 
2012-07-14 04:23:30 PM  

vegasj: But since YOU brought it up... they did have their own little campaign page in 2008... then the Obama admin pulled it


Do you have proof it's not a photoshopped pic?
 
2012-07-14 04:23:33 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Hmmm... Another Zimmerman thread.

I should make popcorn.


Naw just make me a sammich
 
2012-07-14 04:25:25 PM  

ParaHandy: So, in your morality, it's perfectly OK to hunt down and kill teenagers who get high?


Hunt down ? Really? Is that what he did now?

Because the evidence keeps showing me he was investigating a suspicious person in the area when he was attacked by that (possibly doped out) suspicious person.

Injuries, photos, statements, & lie tests .... and you poor Treyvon supporters STILL say Zimmerman "hunted down" and "gunned down" this poor, "innocent little child of color.

wow.

 
2012-07-14 04:26:52 PM  

vegasj: But we won't mention the rally pic with Obama surrounded by black panthers... naw.


Yeah they're black so they must be black panthers. Strange that George Carlin would be a Black Panther.
 
2012-07-14 04:27:25 PM  

Mrbogey: Do you have proof it's not a photoshopped pic?


Proof?...

but wait, there's MORE!

A save our skreets rally...

moonbattery.com

oops...

antzinpantz.com

 
2012-07-14 04:28:12 PM  

vegasj: Raharu: Hey aren't you the guy who thinks the president is secretly working with the black panthers?

I TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE MY POINT EVEN MORE TRUE!!! Besides, wtf does that have to do with Z & dead skittle boy?

But since YOU brought it up... they did have their own little campaign page in 2008... then the Obama admin pulled it

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But we won't mention the rally pic with Obama surrounded by black panthers... naw.

[mediamatters.org image 590x433]


oops...


Good point. The Black Panthers making their own userpage on the Obama campaign site is the same as explicitly supporting and funding the Taliban.

whitenoiseinsanity.com

If only Obama hadn't had his picture taken with the Prime Minister of the country that would slobber bin Laden with kisses for five years.

ph.cdn.photos.upi.com
 
2012-07-14 04:31:02 PM  

Mrbogey: Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.

You should actually read the questioning. The lawyer asked her to estimate and she declined saying she couldn't give an estimate of current funds. You can argue that she was dishonest and should have volunteered extra information but I'm sure most people can understand why a person wouldn't volunteer extra information to a prosecutor.

kashari: There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.

Citation needed.

Also, DNA doesn't get under fingernails when you throw a punch. Use basic logic and stop relying on CSI.


If Trayvon had been grabbing Z's head, covering his bloody nose/mouth, scratching his face, then something could get under a nail. But there still was NO DNA of Z's anywhere on TM's hands.

The citations are the ME's report on the finger abrasion & results of the DNA testing in the lab report. Where are your citations?

Med Exam Rpt

I'll correct my statement to say '1/4 x 1/2 in small abrasion to left fourth finger' (no knuckle mentioned). (TM was right-handed btw and this does not indicate how fresh of an injury it is)

And here are the lab reports:

Link
 
2012-07-14 04:33:02 PM  

coco ebert: If this were Law and Order, this motion would be denied swiftly and sternly with one bang of the gavel, a raised eyebrow, and a smart-ass answer on the part of the judge.


Two bangs. Law and Order gets two bangs.
/donk donk.
 
2012-07-14 04:33:23 PM  

gimmegimme: Good point. The Black Panthers making their own userpage on the Obama campaign site is the same as explicitly supporting and funding the Taliban.


The Taliban did not come into existence till 1991. Ronald Reagan and his magic time machine pulled them from the future? Oh wait, that's right. Those pictured were the Afghani Mujahadeen... natives who were fighting the Soviets. I know all brown people look alike to you but they're not all the same. Trust me on this. Those pictured mostly formed the Northern Alliance, a moderate Afghani native coalition that opposed the taliban.

Now what your inability to tell brown people apart in regards to Afghanis has to do with Trayvon Martin, Obama, and the NBPP how exactly? Just wanted to give everyone evidence of how dumb you are?
 
2012-07-14 04:33:26 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The My Little Pony Killer: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Bears repeating.

The bottom line of what? It's not illegal to get out of your car.


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2012-07-14 04:34:50 PM  

astouffer: steamingpile: But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him, I definitely think they are biased against him and will let evidence in they normally wouldn't just to get a conviction in an election year.

I am pro gun but also think Zimmerman is a douchebag who couldn't make police academy so he became the self appointed gun carrying neighborhood watch. The gun he carried was also issued in error because of a previous conviction against him.

The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.


Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

No wonder the Trayvonites have to use death threats.....
 
2012-07-14 04:34:52 PM  

kashari: If Trayvon had been grabbing Z's head, covering his bloody nose/mouth, scratching his face, then something could get under a nail. But there still was NO DNA of Z's anywhere on TM's hands.


I'd guess that's because no DNA swabs of Martin's hands were taken. We have an eyewitness that saw TM on top of GZ, I'd say it's not in dispute how GZ sustained his injuries.
 
2012-07-14 04:36:16 PM  
First, let's take race out of this issue completely. That's what the media trumpeted when they thought they had a good story to sell. Second, Zimmerman made some stupid decisions. Not because someone got shot, I'll cover that in a second, but because he opened himself up to having his life turned upside down by the courts. Third, the shooting. Is it sad someone got killed, absoutly and that's something Zimmerman will have to deal with for the rest of his life. Here's a tip for the current and future parents though, if you don't want precious to end up on a slab tell him KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR FARKING SELF. The moment you decide to give someone a "beating" you're bought and paid for as far as I'm concerned. To all the "tough guys" espousing about fair play, that's farking stupid. I'm supposed to risk my life and job in the hope that you decide not to give me a permanent injury or worse? No thanks. I think Zimmerman will walk and I hope he sues the shiat out of the media that stirred this up along with getting the prosecutor disbarred for malicious prosecution.
 
2012-07-14 04:38:55 PM  

DancingElkCondor: astouffer: steamingpile: But in the court of public opinion most of the antigun crowd has already convicted him, I definitely think they are biased against him and will let evidence in they normally wouldn't just to get a conviction in an election year.

I am pro gun but also think Zimmerman is a douchebag who couldn't make police academy so he became the self appointed gun carrying neighborhood watch. The gun he carried was also issued in error because of a previous conviction against him.

The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

No wonder the Trayvonites have to use death threats.....


I guess the Trayvonites are like Tea Party people in that way.
 
2012-07-14 04:39:00 PM  

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Translation: Derp a derp de herp a derp

Yea, you proved it was fake alright. The people who scrubbed his facebook after the shooting didn't cover up anything. They just deleted as much as they could because... because.


Because Trayvon was a ghetto thug...the No Limit N...

And they scrubbed up TrayDad...cant have that Crips tat and push St Trayvon spin
 
2012-07-14 04:40:34 PM  

kashari: Link


Is it just me, or did they find no blood on the slide, and didn't even bother checking the barrel for splash-back, or Martin's chest for powder burns? One would think the presence of all three would be important evidence for Zimmerman's defense.
 
2012-07-14 04:40:36 PM  

kashari: Mrbogey: Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.

You should actually read the questioning. The lawyer asked her to estimate and she declined saying she couldn't give an estimate of current funds. You can argue that she was dishonest and should have volunteered extra information but I'm sure most people can understand why a person wouldn't volunteer extra information to a prosecutor.

kashari: There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.

Citation needed.

Also, DNA doesn't get under fingernails when you throw a punch. Use basic logic and stop relying on CSI.

If Trayvon had been grabbing Z's head, covering his bloody nose/mouth, scratching his face, then something could get under a nail. But there still was NO DNA of Z's anywhere on TM's hands.


Per your citation, his hands weren't tested for DNA. It states that his fingernails were tested and then divided them left and right (A and B). His hands themselves weren't tested. Your first link doesn't resolve, btw.
 
2012-07-14 04:40:39 PM  

thamike: I've said it before: Subtract the gun from the equation, and you would have two guys who were immediately arrested and jailed, followed by both of them facing charges of aggravated assault. If anything is outrageous about this case, it's the fact that a dead body almost made the case a non-issue before the press and public picked up on it.


Why the hell would Trayvon be arrested and jailed too? Ooooh right, he's black.
 
2012-07-14 04:40:56 PM  

Fail in Human Form: First, let's take race out of this issue completely. That's what the media trumpeted when they thought they had a good story to sell. Second, Zimmerman made some stupid decisions. Not because someone got shot, I'll cover that in a second, but because he opened himself up to having his life turned upside down by the courts. Third, the shooting. Is it sad someone got killed, absoutly and that's something Zimmerman will have to deal with for the rest of his life. Here's a tip for the current and future parents though, if you don't want precious to end up on a slab tell him KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR FARKING SELF. The moment you decide to give someone a "beating" you're bought and paid for as far as I'm concerned. To all the "tough guys" espousing about fair play, that's farking stupid. I'm supposed to risk my life and job in the hope that you decide not to give me a permanent injury or worse? No thanks. I think Zimmerman will walk and I hope he sues the shiat out of the media that stirred this up along with getting the prosecutor disbarred for malicious prosecution.


I agree...you should tell your kids to keep your hands to yourself. Shouldn't you also tell your children to mind their own business or, failing that, not to disobey authorities when they tell you to stop?
 
2012-07-14 04:43:20 PM  

moralpanic: Why the hell would Trayvon be arrested and jailed too? Ooooh right, he's black.


Well the whole punching someone thing...
 
2012-07-14 04:44:39 PM  

Mrbogey: moralpanic: Why the hell would Trayvon be arrested and jailed too? Ooooh right, he's black.

Well the whole punching someone thing...


Oh, no. Florida law clearly states that you are allowed to stand your ground if you feel threatened by someone.
 
2012-07-14 04:45:06 PM  

Fail in Human Form: First, let's take race out of this issue completely. That's what the media trumpeted when they thought they had a good story to sell. Second, Zimmerman made some stupid decisions. Not because someone got shot, I'll cover that in a second, but because he opened himself up to having his life turned upside down by the courts. Third, the shooting. Is it sad someone got killed, absoutly and that's something Zimmerman will have to deal with for the rest of his life. Here's a tip for the current and future parents though, if you don't want precious to end up on a slab tell him KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR FARKING SELF. The moment you decide to give someone a "beating" you're bought and paid for as far as I'm concerned. To all the "tough guys" espousing about fair play, that's farking stupid. I'm supposed to risk my life and job in the hope that you decide not to give me a permanent injury or worse? No thanks. I think Zimmerman will walk and I hope he sues the shiat out of the media that stirred this up along with getting the prosecutor disbarred for malicious prosecution.


For someone who (correctly) thinks the press acted horribly in this case, you sure are assuming a lot about the details of the night in question.
 
2012-07-14 04:45:43 PM  

Silly Jesus: kashari: Silly Jesus: LordJiro: Tourney3p0: barneyfifesbullet:
He isn't a racist (even the FBI says so) and he didn't stalk anyone. What else is there? Nothin'.

What about that guy he killed? I feel like you're forgetting that unarmed child that he hunted and gunned down.

Armed, lighter-skinned guy shoots a black kid: Obviously self defense.

Unarmed black kid fighting with aforementioned light-skinned guy, after light-skinned guy stalked and confronted him for Walking While Black: Clearly, he was a violent thug who attacked this fine upstanding citizen for NO REASON., and if you even consider that the black kid might have been acting in self defense, you're clearly a victim Liberal White Guilt or a Black Racist.

1. The legal definition of "stalking" was not met. Nowhere even close.
2. No evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. It's odd that Martin had no wounds from a fight, other than the wounds that Zimmerman's face gave to his knuckles.

There weren't 'wounds to TM's knuckles', there was one tiny 'abrasion' on his left ring finger under a knuckle, not on one. No way to tell when that was from. If he had been beating GZ like he claims, there would've been other wounds and DNA/blood from Z on Trayvon's hands and there was NONE found nor anything under TM's nails.

So the photographs of Zimmerman's wounds at the scene were made up? He had a make-up artist on stand by? His two black eyes and fractured nose were fabricated? A doctor put his career on the line to write up a fake report on his injuries? WTF are yo even talking about?

I concede that there was just one wound to one knuckle, I misspoke above by making it plural, but the point still stands...there was no evidence that Martin had been struck...no bruising, no scrapes or scratches etc. All of the evidence pointed to Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman.


How did he beat the shiat out of him, but not have any blood or DNA or bruises on his hands? We don't know what happened, but I don't believe Z's story, too many contradictions in his statements & the evidence.

Those two tiny cuts on the back of his head do not indicate repeated bashing on cement either and he had a possible closed fracture of his nose, those are the only injuries noted on HIS doctor's report (that was for a work release, btw, not because he was worried about his health, he knew he was fine, no concussion, nada).

George could have fallen into bushes, hit the tree or the doggie station thing, any number of ways he could have been hurt. Trayvon may have popped him in the nose in self-defense & Z could've hit his head then. THE EVIDENCE does not support Trayvon beating the crap out of him, AT ALL.
 
2012-07-14 04:46:15 PM  

gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: First, let's take race out of this issue completely. That's what the media trumpeted when they thought they had a good story to sell. Second, Zimmerman made some stupid decisions. Not because someone got shot, I'll cover that in a second, but because he opened himself up to having his life turned upside down by the courts. Third, the shooting. Is it sad someone got killed, absoutly and that's something Zimmerman will have to deal with for the rest of his life. Here's a tip for the current and future parents though, if you don't want precious to end up on a slab tell him KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR FARKING SELF. The moment you decide to give someone a "beating" you're bought and paid for as far as I'm concerned. To all the "tough guys" espousing about fair play, that's farking stupid. I'm supposed to risk my life and job in the hope that you decide not to give me a permanent injury or worse? No thanks. I think Zimmerman will walk and I hope he sues the shiat out of the media that stirred this up along with getting the prosecutor disbarred for malicious prosecution.

I agree...you should tell your kids to keep your hands to yourself. Shouldn't you also tell your children to mind their own business or, failing that, not to disobey authorities when they tell you to stop?


Minding your own business, not so much. A lot of problems in society stem from that attitude. Failing to listen to authority? 911 isn't the cops and didn't give him any orders. They said they didn't need him to do what he did but, and I refer you to my first point, he decided not to.
 
2012-07-14 04:47:10 PM  

thamike: Fail in Human Form: First, let's take race out of this issue completely. That's what the media trumpeted when they thought they had a good story to sell. Second, Zimmerman made some stupid decisions. Not because someone got shot, I'll cover that in a second, but because he opened himself up to having his life turned upside down by the courts. Third, the shooting. Is it sad someone got killed, absoutly and that's something Zimmerman will have to deal with for the rest of his life. Here's a tip for the current and future parents though, if you don't want precious to end up on a slab tell him KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR FARKING SELF. The moment you decide to give someone a "beating" you're bought and paid for as far as I'm concerned. To all the "tough guys" espousing about fair play, that's farking stupid. I'm supposed to risk my life and job in the hope that you decide not to give me a permanent injury or worse? No thanks. I think Zimmerman will walk and I hope he sues the shiat out of the media that stirred this up along with getting the prosecutor disbarred for malicious prosecution.

For someone who (correctly) thinks the press acted horribly in this case, you sure are assuming a lot about the details of the night in question.


Such as? I'm not making any assumptions I'm aware of, just going by the evidence I've seen of the beating.
 
2012-07-14 04:49:32 PM  

jjorsett: DancingElkCondor: Kevin72: Dancingelkcondor, you were making so much sense up until the last paragraph. Next time consider separating the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into two separate posts so your hate for liberals doesn't besmirch your otherwise intelligent and informative posting.

No apologies for the last line. With all the evidence released the past few days....you have to be a retard to still believe Zimmerman is a racist who hunted down Trayvon Martin. And, yes, pretty much, the only people still supporting Trayvon are Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals

And, Fox News is just as pro Trayvon propaganda than the rest of them....so it is not so much a left-right thing. Also, you have a GOP governor and a GOP Florida atty general pushing the case. I do not want to see an innocent man lynched by a bunch of liars, regardless

And, yes, this judge will be removed. His choice will be: A. On His Own OR B. By law enforcement when he disobeys a higher court order.

The more I see about this, the more it looks like Zimmerman is being Nifonged, except in Zimmerman's case there are a lot more people involved in doing it.


Nifonged is exactly right. The one big difference was that the Duke lacrosse players had wealthy parents, and could afford good lawyers

Interesting....Duke Lacrosse we had the same Hate Groups as Zimmerman: Al Sharpton, New Black Panthers...and death threats against the innocent. And, after this is finished...there are going to be a lot of people paying Zimmerman and his family major $$$. Something major will break in this case, and it will favor Zimmerman greatly
 
2012-07-14 04:49:35 PM  

moralpanic: thamike: I've said it before: Subtract the gun from the equation, and you would have two guys who were immediately arrested and jailed, followed by both of them facing charges of aggravated assault. If anything is outrageous about this case, it's the fact that a dead body almost made the case a non-issue before the press and public picked up on it.

Why the hell would Trayvon be arrested and jailed too? Ooooh right, he's black.


For fighting, just like the other guy he was fighting. Who started it and who acted in self defense is determined later. That's why they both get arrested. Apparently, in Florida, if you don't want to get arrested for brawling, kill the guy.
 
2012-07-14 04:49:52 PM  

gimmegimme: Oh, no. Florida law clearly states that you are allowed to stand your ground if you feel threatened by someone.


Got your GED from Costco, right?

kashari: How did he beat the shiat out of him, but not have any blood or DNA or bruises on his hands? We don't know what happened, but I don't believe Z's story, too many contradictions in his statements & the evidence.

Those two tiny cuts on the back of his head do not indicate repeated bashing on cement either and he had a possible closed fracture of his nose, those are the only injuries noted on HIS doctor's report (that was for a work release, btw, not because he was worried about his health, he knew he was fine, no concussion, nada).

George could have fallen into bushes, hit the tree or the doggie station thing, any number of ways he could have been hurt. Trayvon may have popped him in the nose in self-defense & Z could've hit his head then. THE EVIDENCE does not support Trayvon beating the crap out of him, AT ALL.



You're excusing an assault and blaming the victim of the assault. You're attempting to find possible excuses for injuries that exist with no support. When you see a woman with a black eye claiming spousal abuse do you go "well maybe she's clumsy and fell into a door"?
 
2012-07-14 04:49:57 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Translation: Derp a derp de herp a derp

Yea, you proved it was fake alright. The people who scrubbed his facebook after the shooting didn't cover up anything. They just deleted as much as they could because... because.

Because Trayvon was a ghetto thug...the No Limit N...

And they scrubbed up TrayDad...cant have that Crips tat and push St Trayvon spin


I take it that UCF's account got banned so you have to make this alt?
 
2012-07-14 04:51:52 PM  

vegasj: Because the evidence keeps showing me he was investigating a suspicious person in the area when he was attacked by that (possibly doped out) suspicious person.


What was suspicious about him exactly?

Has Zimmerman been able to prove what was suspicious about Martin yet?
 
2012-07-14 04:52:52 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Such as? I'm not making any assumptions I'm aware of, just going by the evidence I've seen of the beating.


Such as that Martin attacked Zimmerman. The assumption you clarified in all caps. We don't know how it happened. All we have is Zimmerman's account, and that's just an account. We don't even know what's admissible yet.
 
2012-07-14 04:53:29 PM  
DancingElkCondor
www2.picturepush.com

I was wondering where the hell you were! I was also about to say you clean up nicely, but samefag smells like shiat wrapped in burnt hair.
 
2012-07-14 04:53:54 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Oh, no. Florida law clearly states that you are allowed to stand your ground if you feel threatened by someone.

Got your GED from Costco, right?kashari: How did he beat the shiat out of him, but not have any blood or DNA or bruises on his hands? We don't know what happened, but I don't believe Z's story, too many contradictions in his statements & the evidence.

Those two tiny cuts on the back of his head do not indicate repeated bashing on cement either and he had a possible closed fracture of his nose, those are the only injuries noted on HIS doctor's report (that was for a work release, btw, not because he was worried about his health, he knew he was fine, no concussion, nada).

George could have fallen into bushes, hit the tree or the doggie station thing, any number of ways he could have been hurt. Trayvon may have popped him in the nose in self-defense & Z could've hit his head then. THE EVIDENCE does not support Trayvon beating the crap out of him, AT ALL.


You're excusing an assault and blaming the victim of the assault. You're attempting to find possible excuses for injuries that exist with no support. When you see a woman with a black eye claiming spousal abuse do you go "well maybe she's clumsy and fell into a door"?


I love that you don't consider the dead kid is the victim of the assault. Was OJ the victim when he almost cut Nicole's head off? In all fairness, Ron Goldman, a fit and much younger man, was assaulting OJ and OJ even had cuts on his fingers.
 
2012-07-14 04:53:56 PM  

thamike: Fail in Human Form: Such as? I'm not making any assumptions I'm aware of, just going by the evidence I've seen of the beating.

Such as that Martin attacked Zimmerman. The assumption you clarified in all caps. We don't know how it happened. All we have is Zimmerman's account, and that's just an account. We don't even know what's admissible yet.


The injuries on Zimmerman and the lack of them on Martin seems to back up his story.
 
2012-07-14 04:54:03 PM  

thamike: kashari: Link

Is it just me, or did they find no blood on the slide, and didn't even bother checking the barrel for splash-back, or Martin's chest for powder burns? One would think the presence of all three would be important evidence for Zimmerman's defense.


From what I understand, we still don't have all the 'trace' testing results yet, so there could still be more of that type of info coming. There have been two descriptions of the wound "contact wound" (which if IIRC is from the shirt's analysis), while the ME said it was from an 'intermediate range' shot.
 
2012-07-14 04:55:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Has Zimmerman been able to prove what was suspicious about Martin yet?


According to the evidence, Martin didn't seemed perturbed by rain, which is something Zimmerman apparently found even more suspicious than the hoodie Martin used to take cover from the rain.
 
2012-07-14 04:55:51 PM  

Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin

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2012-07-14 04:56:26 PM  

gimmegimme: Mrbogey: gimmegimme: Are you aware that Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from "intermediate range"? Does that count as an injury?

That's from after Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Stop trying to be obtuse. There were no injuries found on Martin consistent with Zimmerman assaulting him, trying to pin him, or anything of that sort. There were no grass stains on Martins clothes. There was no bruising to his face. Nothing. Nothing supports your assertion that Zimmerman asdsaulted Martin.

I'm planning on starting a barfight after I stalk my prey. I'm going to find the biggest guy in the biker bar and tell him that I just kicked over his Harley. How much injury must I sustain before I am allowed to shoot him in the chest from intermediate range?


The law states you can use deadly force to defend yourself if you reasonably believe the other party is going to kill you or inflict great bodily harm upon you. The fact that you "provoked" someone into fighting you because you said mean things to them may or may not matter. At worst (for you) it would mean you would be regarded as an aggressor, and that you would have had to try to escape before shooting him.

Neither of these rules have anything to do with "Stand Your Ground," as the Florida Statutes containing them have had this language for years.

Any more questions?
 
2012-07-14 04:56:31 PM  

404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.
 
2012-07-14 04:57:12 PM  

DancingElkCondor: The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too


One would think that the media not wasting time with irrelevant nonsense would be a good thing. Apparently, you consider it a conspiracy.

I can believe that Zimmerman might not have been motivated by racial prejudice, but I don't think I can say as much for his cheerleaders.
 
2012-07-14 04:58:03 PM  

vegasj: ParaHandy: So, in your morality, it's perfectly OK to hunt down and kill teenagers who get high?

Hunt down ? Really? Is that what he did now?

Because the evidence keeps showing me he was investigating a suspicious person in the area when he was attacked by that (possibly doped out) suspicious person.

Injuries, photos, statements, & lie tests .... and you poor Treyvon supporters STILL say Zimmerman "hunted down" and "gunned down" this poor, "innocent little child of color.

wow.


Yes, with all the facts revealed....the Trayvonistas still insist that "Trayvon was hunted down like an animal"

Now you know why in my Boobies in this thread I called the Tray supporters "retards". They proved my point.
 
2012-07-14 04:58:04 PM  

Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.


Why not?
 
2012-07-14 04:58:40 PM  

vegasj: Mrbogey: Do you have proof it's not a photoshopped pic?

Proof?...

but wait, there's MORE!

A save our skreets rally...

[moonbattery.com image 500x400]

oops...

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What was the last post you've made that doesn't involve a black person? Have you EVER made one?
 
2012-07-14 04:58:40 PM  

Fail in Human Form: The injuries on Zimmerman and the lack of them on Martin seems to back up his story.


Well, if you aren't assuming, then I guess we can downgrade it to uninformed opinion until the trial. So far, my uninformed opinion is that injury is only evidence of an altercation taking place.
 
2012-07-14 04:58:41 PM  

gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?


Because that happened after what we were discussing.
 
2012-07-14 04:59:19 PM  

gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
[t.qkme.me image 310x201]

I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?


Because FARK YOU!

/inb4
 
2012-07-14 05:00:01 PM  

404 page not found: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because FARK YOU!

/inb4


dammit.
 
2012-07-14 05:00:04 PM  

Fail in Human Form: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
[t.qkme.me image 310x201]

I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.


I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.
 
2012-07-14 05:00:50 PM  

MagSeven: vegasj: Mrbogey: Do you have proof it's not a photoshopped pic?

Proof?...

but wait, there's MORE!

A save our skreets rally...

[moonbattery.com image 500x400]

oops...

[antzinpantz.com image 746x585]

What was the last post you've made that doesn't involve a black person? Have you EVER made one?


This is a guy who used pictures of the G20 riots in Toronto as an example of a race riot.

To him, everything is black people's fault.
 
2012-07-14 05:00:57 PM  

gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
[t.qkme.me image 310x201]

I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.

I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.


He was talking about who started the fight.
 
2012-07-14 05:02:26 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. So Martin could have been assaulted first by Zimmerman and yet there are no bruises or abrasions or grass stains or black eyes or cuts or scrapes on Martin. Brilliant. Please do expand on this theory of yours...just how did Zimmerman assault Martin to the extent that he feared for his life (necessary to justify the injuries he inflicted on Zimmerman) while at the same time not leaving a single mark on him?


So Martin assaulted Zimmerman to within an inch of his life, and only got one small abrasion on his finger, yet you want to hang your hat on the fact that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries to his hands as proof that he didn't assault Martin. When Zimmerman slapped his GF there were most likely no marks on his hands. When Zimmerman assaulted the officer, there were most likely no injuries on his hands. Doesn't change the fact her assaulted both of them. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman. And it DAMN sure would trash your often repeated theory that the ONLY reason that Martin assaulted Zimmerman was because he was watching him from a distance.
 
2012-07-14 05:02:45 PM  

thamike: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
[t.qkme.me image 310x201]

I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.

I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.

He was talking about who started the fight.


I dunno...the armed guy who follows the other guy around in a car and then on foot is probably the guy who starts the fight.
 
2012-07-14 05:04:20 PM  

NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: 1. So Martin could have been assaulted first by Zimmerman and yet there are no bruises or abrasions or grass stains or black eyes or cuts or scrapes on Martin. Brilliant. Please do expand on this theory of yours...just how did Zimmerman assault Martin to the extent that he feared for his life (necessary to justify the injuries he inflicted on Zimmerman) while at the same time not leaving a single mark on him?

So Martin assaulted Zimmerman to within an inch of his life, and only got one small abrasion on his finger, yet you want to hang your hat on the fact that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries to his hands as proof that he didn't assault Martin. When Zimmerman slapped his GF there were most likely no marks on his hands. When Zimmerman assaulted the officer, there were most likely no injuries on his hands. Doesn't change the fact her assaulted both of them. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman. And it DAMN sure would trash your often repeated theory that the ONLY reason that Martin assaulted Zimmerman was because he was watching him from a distance.


Whoa, whoa. Hey. Zimmerman's use of brain drugs and his extensive history of violence have NOTHING to do with this case and you should be ashamed for muddying the rhetorical waters. On the other hand, Trayvon's facebook postings are quite relevant and justify his being shot.
 
2012-07-14 05:05:11 PM  

DancingElkCondor: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.


Explain this last point in any coherent context. How did trouble in school, or his choice of beverage, or really any of the irrelevant details you guys seem to obsess over, impact the shooting one way or another.

/And I'm not even going to address your point about unnecessary confrontation == blaming a rape victim. I'm hoping that you posted that in a moment of thoughtlessness.
 
2012-07-14 05:06:10 PM  
And speaking of uninformed opinions, mine is that Zimmerman actively pursued this situation while Martin reacted unwisely to it. Also, I really hope there is something we don't know about that caused the prosecution to seek a 2nd degree murder charge in what looks like manslaughter and possibly a few lesser firearms/police obstruction charges tacked on.
 
2012-07-14 05:07:29 PM  

gimmegimme: I dunno...the armed guy who follows the other guy around in a car and then on foot is probably the guy who starts the fight.


I was just talking evidence or lack of evidence. I was trying to move away from assumptions.
 
2012-07-14 05:11:25 PM  

NightOwl2255: If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman.


This is legally incorrect....which is the worst kind of incorrect.
 
2012-07-14 05:11:53 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: The more I see of the entitled alternate fantasy viewpoint this guy has, the more I'm convinced he did murder that kid in cold blood.

What a farking loon.


Hi there, what law school did you go to? Because you're talking about trial strategy - made by Zimmerman's lawyer, not Zimmerman - as if you know two farthings about what you're talking about.

But you don't.

You see, there is some evidence of bias from this judge. The judge was unusually harsh in the second bail hearing, especially since the judge knew this was a high profile case.

The lawyer is preserving the error for appeal. If they don't make this motion, and then object when the judge denies it, they will forever be barred from raising the issue on appeal.

Sit down, shut up, learn some stuff.

BTW: fun fact, the lawyer can file this motion even over Zimmerman's objections. Rule 4-1.2(a).
 
2012-07-14 05:11:59 PM  

gimmegimme: Whoa, whoa. Hey. Zimmerman's use of brain drugs and his extensive history of violence have NOTHING to do with this case and you should be ashamed for muddying the rhetorical waters. On the other hand, Trayvon's facebook postings are quite relevant and justify his being shot.


No, no, don't you know, all biatches and cops lie. There has been a conspiracy against Zimmerman for years.
 
2012-07-14 05:12:11 PM  
Mrbogey

Per your citation, his hands weren't tested for DNA. It states that his fingernails were tested and then divided them left and right (A and B). His hands themselves weren't tested. Your first link doesn't resolve, btw.



Yes, I see that now & don't have time to read through the whole report again, so I may have misunderstood that if there isn't other mention of his hands.

I'll just put the whole link here, if it doesn't work again, search for Trayvon Martin Autopsy Report: (I don't know why Fark keeps putting spaces in the link)

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/TR A YVON-MARTIN-AUTOPSY.pdf
 
2012-07-14 05:14:12 PM  

gimmegimme: NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: 1. So Martin could have been assaulted first by Zimmerman and yet there are no bruises or abrasions or grass stains or black eyes or cuts or scrapes on Martin. Brilliant. Please do expand on this theory of yours...just how did Zimmerman assault Martin to the extent that he feared for his life (necessary to justify the injuries he inflicted on Zimmerman) while at the same time not leaving a single mark on him?

So Martin assaulted Zimmerman to within an inch of his life, and only got one small abrasion on his finger, yet you want to hang your hat on the fact that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries to his hands as proof that he didn't assault Martin. When Zimmerman slapped his GF there were most likely no marks on his hands. When Zimmerman assaulted the officer, there were most likely no injuries on his hands. Doesn't change the fact her assaulted both of them. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman. And it DAMN sure would trash your often repeated theory that the ONLY reason that Martin assaulted Zimmerman was because he was watching him from a distance.

Whoa, whoa. Hey. Zimmerman's use of brain drugs and his extensive history of violence have NOTHING to do with this case and you should be ashamed for muddying the rhetorical waters. On the other hand, Trayvon's facebook postings are quite relevant and justify his being shot.


nobody said Zimmermans history has no relevance.
 
2012-07-14 05:14:21 PM  

thamike: gimmegimme: I dunno...the armed guy who follows the other guy around in a car and then on foot is probably the guy who starts the fight.

I was just talking evidence or lack of evidence. I was trying to move away from assumptions.


That's fine. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was following Martin. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman got out of his car to keep an eye on Martin instead of driving home, possibly to punch another woman and rub one out to a Golden Girls rerun while popping brain pills. (That last part is all speculation, I admit.)
 
2012-07-14 05:15:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: vegasj: Because the evidence keeps showing me he was investigating a suspicious person in the area when he was attacked by that (possibly doped out) suspicious person.

What was suspicious about him exactly?

Has Zimmerman been able to prove what was suspicious about Martin yet?


Any person walking through my neighborhood that I don't recognize is suspicious. You see, unlike in New York, down in Florida people drive everywhere, and nobody walks. For a stranger to walk through a gated community is a very very odd thing and is immediately suspicious.
 
2012-07-14 05:16:19 PM  

Cataholic: This is legally incorrect....which is the worst kind of incorrect.


Zimmerman grabs Martin and tells him he's not leaving. Martin hits Zimmerman in the face, completely legal. Zimmerman falls down. As he's laying on the ground he reaches for his gun. Martin is now in fear for his life. He can legally beat Zimmerman to death.

Wanna try again?
 
2012-07-14 05:19:20 PM  

gimmegimme: That's fine. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was following Martin. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman got out of his car to keep an eye on Martin instead of driving home


None of those are illegal. I see a lot of people claiming that GZ is guilty, but have not found one that is able to use the facts of the case to prove it. Speculations are fine in threads such as these but people are convicted of crimes based on evidence. What evidence can you point to that GZ committed the crime of 2nd degree murder?
 
2012-07-14 05:21:10 PM  

Mrbogey: gimmegimme: NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: 1. So Martin could have been assaulted first by Zimmerman and yet there are no bruises or abrasions or grass stains or black eyes or cuts or scrapes on Martin. Brilliant. Please do expand on this theory of yours...just how did Zimmerman assault Martin to the extent that he feared for his life (necessary to justify the injuries he inflicted on Zimmerman) while at the same time not leaving a single mark on him?

So Martin assaulted Zimmerman to within an inch of his life, and only got one small abrasion on his finger, yet you want to hang your hat on the fact that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries to his hands as proof that he didn't assault Martin. When Zimmerman slapped his GF there were most likely no marks on his hands. When Zimmerman assaulted the officer, there were most likely no injuries on his hands. Doesn't change the fact her assaulted both of them. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman. And it DAMN sure would trash your often repeated theory that the ONLY reason that Martin assaulted Zimmerman was because he was watching him from a distance.

Whoa, whoa. Hey. Zimmerman's use of brain drugs and his extensive history of violence have NOTHING to do with this case and you should be ashamed for muddying the rhetorical waters. On the other hand, Trayvon's facebook postings are quite relevant and justify his being shot.

nobody said Zimmermans history has no relevance.


I agree. Trayvon Martin had no criminal record. George Zimmerman...well, this might take a while:

4. Zimmerman was carrying a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]

8. Zimmerman "was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped." [Huffington Post]

9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since 2004. [Daily Beast]

10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was "fixated on crime and focused on young, black males." [Miami Herald]

11. Zimmerman "had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics" [Huffington Post]

20. Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon. [ABC News]

More:

It's unknown what was Zimmerman's job on Feb. 26, but what is known is that he took policing very seriously. He reenrolled in Seminole State College with the goal of becoming a cop in 2009 and was working toward an associate degree. Zimmerman last week was dropped by the school which said it acted because of safety issues for Zimmerman and other students.

Why would you take Zimmerman's word over that of Martin? (You know, aside from the fact that he was shot in the chest.)
 
2012-07-14 05:23:51 PM  

Silly Jesus: Benjimin_Dover: gimmegimme: Benjimin_Dover: I never said I cared one way or the other what either of these guys were doing that night. Reading comprehension failure is fail. The current point of discussion (if you read the bit the you even quoted) is not the shooting. In fact, when I go back and read it, I find nothing at all about the shooting. The point being discussed and specifically addressed is that a person bought some but not all the ingredients of some concoction that I have never heard of before. So to answer your question (as incompetent or misleading as it is): it has nothing to do with the shooting. It has to do with the discussion clearly racist justification for the shooting.

FTFY

That very well may be. I don't really know one way or the other. I don't know either of these people. I suspect that neither do you or anybody else in this thread. I will say that I am conflicted as I have dated a Hispanic and served with dozens of Hispanics in the Army. I have witnessed the depth of the bigotry that they are capable of. At the same time the leaders of minority communities tell us that minorities are incapable of racism. So which to believe...

But that all gets away from what was being talked about which was why somebody would not buy all the ingredients to some drink at the same location. That somebody doesn't have to be Martin.

I commend you on your attempt to divert me off point. Nice try. I don't hold it against you.

This is a really hard example...so be careful in following along.

I was making a cake one day. I looked in the kitchen and had all of the ingredients except for butter and eggs. I went to the store and bought butter and eggs, and when I got home I combined them with my other ingredients and baked a cake. You may ask, how in the world did you bake that cake when you didn't buy all of the ingredients at the same time and at the same location, I would say to you, it is the magic of cabinets and leftover items from previous usage.


I don't think they are going to admit to understanding that example if they couldn't understand what you said before when you explained it. It is a concept so basic, it is more likely that they do understand it but are being intentionally dense about it.
 
2012-07-14 05:25:45 PM  

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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.

I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.


The issue is how the fight started and what happened during it. Not how it ended.
 
2012-07-14 05:30:32 PM  

consider this: gimmegimme: That's fine. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was following Martin. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman got out of his car to keep an eye on Martin instead of driving home

None of those are illegal. I see a lot of people claiming that GZ is guilty, but have not found one that is able to use the facts of the case to prove it. Speculations are fine in threads such as these but people are convicted of crimes based on evidence. What evidence can you point to that GZ committed the crime of 2nd degree murder?


I am happy to let the real-life justice system determine what should happen in the case. I am just confused and repulsed by the people who claim that GZ is not guilty of doing anything wrong, but they cannot find the facts of the case to prove it. Look, it's fine to speculate in threads like these that Trayvon Martin was on his way home to make Skittle Heroin and to sell it on his Facebook page, but these kinds of people end up with a hole in their chests. What evidence can you point to that GZ did not start a fight that ended with him shooting a guy?
 
2012-07-14 05:32:39 PM  

Fail in Human Form: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: gimmegimme: Fail in Human Form: 404 page not found: Fail in Human Form: lack of them on Martin
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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.

I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.

The issue is how the fight started and what happened during it. Not how it ended.


Oh, that's easy. Martin noticed Zimmerman following him around in a car and told his girlfriend about it. Martin turned into a pedestrian area, so Zimmerman got out of his car to continue pursuit. After that, it becomes open to a little bit of interpretation. If it sounds like Zimmerman was acting like a cop, it's because he was. (Except he's not a cop.)
 
2012-07-14 05:32:50 PM  

gimmegimme: Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon.


So which is it? Regardless of whether or not GZ was or wasn't involved in a recognized neighborhood watch program is irrelevant to the events of that night. What's relevant is that he was legally carrying a firearm, which was his right to do.
 
2012-07-14 05:34:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Aside from grandstanding and showmanship, why would Lester assert that Zimmerman, who had complied with all orders to appear, say that he WOULD have run given the chance


Probably because the guy conspired to cover up a very large sum of money and committed perjury to do so, followed by the discovery that he failed to obey bail conditions and turn in his passport as required.

In fact, he went as far as turning in an invalid passport so as to retain his active one. I am pretty sure any reasonable person could only draw one conclusion from that. He was leaving his options open to flee if he didn't like the way things were going. Which is exactly why bail is set based on stated finances, and why the passports have to be surrendered, both parts of which he tried to circumvent.
 
2012-07-14 05:37:34 PM  

consider this: gimmegimme: Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon.

So which is it? Regardless of whether or not GZ was or wasn't involved in a recognized neighborhood watch program is irrelevant to the events of that night. What's relevant is that he was legally carrying a firearm, which was his right to do.


Yes, and Trayvon Martin was well within his rights to kill Zimmerman. Florida's Stand your Ground law clearly states that:

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.


I agree with you that I wish Trayvon had been carrying a pistol. At least it would have given him a chance.
 
2012-07-14 05:38:19 PM  

NightOwl2255: Cataholic: This is legally incorrect....which is the worst kind of incorrect.

Zimmerman grabs Martin and tells him he's not leaving. Martin hits Zimmerman in the face, completely legal. Zimmerman falls down. As he's laying on the ground he reaches for his gun. Martin is now in fear for his life. He can legally beat Zimmerman to death.

Wanna try again?


You conveniently edited out your post which stated, "If Zimmerman grabbed Martin to stop him from leaving, that alone would justify Martin beating the shiat out of Zimmerman." You then proceeded to introduce facts not previously in evidence. Florida's self-defense statute says, "A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force." Someone grabbing you (assuming you reasonably believe they are not doing so lawfully) is sufficient for you to punch them...maybe even to knock them down. However, it would not in and of itself be sufficient to "beat the shiat" of of them. I do applaud your effort, though as you've raised a plausible scenario...just not one for which I believe there to be any supporting evidence.
 
2012-07-14 05:39:15 PM  

gimmegimme: That's fine. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman was following Martin. We have undeniable proof that Zimmerman got out of his car to keep an eye on Martin instead of driving home, possibly to punch another woman and rub one out to a Golden Girls rerun while popping brain pills. (That last part is all speculation, I admit.)


Yeah, Zimmerman's story is dubious at best. It's just that a bunch of people trying to jump to solid conclusions for their own motives make for a pointless debate.


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2012-07-14 05:39:41 PM  

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I'm not talking about the gunshot wound.

Why not?

Because that happened after what we were discussing.

I would consider the gunshot that ends the fight part of the fight.

The issue is how the fight started and what happened during it. Not how it ended.

Oh, that's easy. Martin noticed Zimmerman following him around in a car and told his girlfriend about it. Martin turned into a pedestrian area, so Zimmerman got out of his car to continue pursuit. After that, it becomes open to a little bit of interpretation. If it sounds like Zimmerman was acting like a cop, it's because he was. (Except he's not a cop.)


Nothing you listed there is illegal to do. Questionable judgement, sure, but not illegal. He wasn't acting like a cop, he wanted to know wtf was going on.
 
2012-07-14 05:40:05 PM  

Splenda: I hope this has been mentioned before now, but yes, Zimmerman did lie. He lied by saying that he was "pretty much broke," when he knowingly had ~$130k in various accounts due to the paypal thing. He surrendered his first passport as a condition of being released on bail, but did not surrender his 2nd passport (and did not mention it). In addition, his wife did some pretty shady shiz. You know how supposedly the government doesn't keep track of bank transactions over $10k? She made a bunch of transfers from the paypal account to his bank account to her bank account all for various amounts just under $10k. She also lied on the stand directly about their finances.


ALL LIES! IT WAS ALL PURPLETRATED BY FUTURE CRIP LEADER TRAYVON JR, THE ILLAJITAMITE KID TRAYVON HAD WHEN HE WAS 5, BACK FROM THE FUTURE WITH OBAMA'S TIME MASHEEN THAT HE USED TO ALTOR HIS KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS THAT RUNS ON THE BLOOD OF WHITE CHRISTIAN BABIES.
 
2012-07-14 05:41:25 PM  

Silly Jesus: Martin, a fit, high school athlete, took off running around the corner of the building. Zimmerman lost sight of him and ran/jogged to the corner of the building to attempt to regain sight of Martin. If Martin had continued to run to his apartment, which he could have easily reached, they never would have come into contact that night.


he was not only close, but was actually in line of sight of his door.
that being said, if some unknown but obviously aggressive stranger is running after you, would you lead them right to where you lived, or would you try to hide until they left? close call. people could easily go either way.

there is likely a very good reason zim continued to hunt martin - he suspected martin was hiding close by, and said as much on the 911 call. he also clearly intended to continue to hunt him for some period of time, and to NOT go back to his truck - which he also alluded to on the 911 call.

it takes no real stretch to understand how martin came to hide, and how zimmerman came to find him. i don;t understand why people try to make it so complicated.
 
2012-07-14 05:41:47 PM  

Party Boy: clowncar on fire: You got a problem with colored sugar? Maybe white is more preferable?

it is certainly a problem in society how the brown and the white sugar is separated. Theres articles disgustingly asking if Brown Sugar is Better than White Sugar

The segregation also occurs within the brown sugar community.
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Its a concern


What about the eggs? You never see a mixture of white and brown eggs. They're always segregated.

When I was a kid I visited a farm and we gathered up the eggs all in one basket w/o regard to color.
 
2012-07-14 05:44:09 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Nothing you listed there is illegal to do. Questionable judgement, sure, but not illegal. He wasn't acting like a cop, he wanted to know wtf was going on.


Actually, by Zimmerman's own account, it was Martin who wanted to know wtf was going on. His mistake was posing the question directly to Zimmerman.
 
2012-07-14 05:44:25 PM  

CliChe Guevara: Probably because the guy conspired to cover up a very large sum of money and committed perjury to do so, followed by the discovery that he failed to obey bail conditions and turn in his passport as required.

In fact, he went as far as turning in an invalid passport so as to retain his active one. I am pretty sure any reasonable person could only draw one conclusion from that. He was leaving his options open to flee if he didn't like the way things were going. Which is exactly why bail is set based on stated finances, and why the passports have to be surrendered, both parts of which he tried to circumvent.




liberal lies, just like the witness who said she saw Martin on top beating Zimmerman, and then changed her mind when she found out how tall Martin was and said it was Zimmerman...oh wait.....
 
2012-07-14 05:46:11 PM  

Thunderpipes: Liberals are evil, you want to punish a guy for defending himself. News at 11:00. Christ, you guys don't even want him to get a fair trial. What is wrong with you people?


I don't think that Trayvon Martin should be punished for defending himself.
 
2012-07-14 05:46:52 PM  

gimmegimme: I am just confused and repulsed by the people who claim that GZ is not guilty of doing anything wrong, but they cannot find the facts of the case to prove it.


What did he do wrong? There's an unknown few minutes from the time he hangs up the phone to the confrontation with TM where it's possible that he did something wrong, but other than the possibility that something happened in that time, he violated no laws that night. I can't find fault with a person taking an active role in the safety and security of their neighborhood. All we know is that GZ saw somebody that he thought was suspicious and called to report it. He then left his vehicle so that he could continue observing the suspicious person until police arrived.

I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else. All we know after that is that GZ was being assaulted and eventually pulled his gun and shot TM. I can see a case being made for self defense but can't find any way to call it murder given what we know and what we don't.
 
2012-07-14 05:47:12 PM  

thamike: Fail in Human Form: Nothing you listed there is illegal to do. Questionable judgement, sure, but not illegal. He wasn't acting like a cop, he wanted to know wtf was going on.

Actually, by Zimmerman's own account, it was Martin who wanted to know wtf was going on. His mistake was posing the question directly to Zimmerman.


Agreed. It was Martin's responsibility to lie face down on the ground with his fingers laced behind his head and his ankles crossed until Zimmerman got the answers to his questions.
 
2012-07-14 05:49:30 PM  

consider this: I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else.


Except Martin's girlfriend. "What are you doing here?"
 
2012-07-14 05:51:38 PM  

consider this: gimmegimme: I am just confused and repulsed by the people who claim that GZ is not guilty of doing anything wrong, but they cannot find the facts of the case to prove it.

What did he do wrong? There's an unknown few minutes from the time he hangs up the phone to the confrontation with TM where it's possible that he did something wrong, but other than the possibility that something happened in that time, he violated no laws that night. I can't find fault with a person taking an active role in the safety and security of their neighborhood. All we know is that GZ saw somebody that he thought was suspicious and called to report it. He then left his vehicle so that he could continue observing the suspicious person until police arrived.

I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else. All we know after that is that GZ was being assaulted and eventually pulled his gun and shot TM. I can see a case being made for self defense but can't find any way to call it murder given what we know and what we don't.


You seem fairly reasonable. Here's my problem. Zimmerman seems to clearly be the aggressor. He was following a guy for several minutes. First in a car and then on foot. Zimmerman called for backup, but it had not yet arrived. Zimmerman lamented that "they always get away." Zimmerman at some point talked to Martin. Zimmerman COULD have gotten back into his car and driven away; he could have avoided starting a fight. (If he were too far away from his car, wouldn't you say that's pretty aggressive?) Zimmerman knew he was armed. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest.

At the very least, the basics of what we know make Zimmerman's actions quite suspicious.
 
2012-07-14 05:52:30 PM  

gimmegimme: Yes, and Trayvon Martin was well within his rights to kill Zimmerman. Florida's Stand your Ground law clearly states that:


You're making assumptions that you have no way of proving.
 
2012-07-14 05:54:24 PM  

consider this: kashari: If Trayvon had been grabbing Z's head, covering his bloody nose/mouth, scratching his face, then something could get under a nail. But there still was NO DNA of Z's anywhere on TM's hands.

I'd guess that's because no DNA swabs of Martin's hands were taken. We have an eyewitness that saw TM on top of GZ, I'd say it's not in dispute how GZ sustained his injuries.


Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.
 
2012-07-14 05:54:47 PM  
...In fact, the logical plan of action Zimmerman could have had to act the way he did was to follow and apprehend what he thought was a (most likely dangerous) criminal. Judging by his non-intimidating size and lack of lethal hands of martial arts menace, I'm left to believe that Zimmerman intended to employ the use of his firearm to apprehend this criminal for the police. It seems like he was going to corner the suspect, gun drawn, then call the police with his location. None of these actions taken by people of sound mind. I don't even need to get as far as him believing that a murder suspect using ridiculous "coded" language on a jail phone to get his wife to hide widely known about sums of donation money from the authorities, and lie about the validity of his passport, was a good plan. The man is obviously a dangerous idiot.

I don't think a 2nd degree murder conviction is going to happen though. Unless of course, Zimmerman is a murderous moron.
 
2012-07-14 05:56:51 PM  

gimmegimme: Agreed. It was Martin's responsibility to lie face down on the ground with his fingers laced behind his head and his ankles crossed until Zimmerman got the answers to his questions.


You're barking up the wrong tree, and there's an entire forest of suck in this thread.
 
2012-07-14 05:58:32 PM  

gimmegimme: At the very least, the basics of what we know make Zimmerman's actions quite suspicious.


I'll grant that GZ might have been acting a little too much like a police officer and that he might have been emboldened by the fact he was carrying a gun. My problem is that we have no way of proving what happened after GZ hangs up the phone with the dispatcher. GZ claims that he was attacked and acted in self defense and we have an eyewitness that supports that.

I might be able to get on board with a manslaughter charge, but there's nothing here to support a murder charge unless you speculate on what happened in those missing few minutes.
 
2012-07-14 05:59:30 PM  
George also has some explaining to do on why he says he had Trayvon's hands out to the sides with T face down, but his hands were underneath his body when the police arrived. So he either is a big fatty fat liar or he's a big fatty fat liar who changed the arrangement of the body & didn't tell the police he did.
 
2012-07-14 06:01:32 PM  

kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.


True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.
 
2012-07-14 06:08:05 PM  

consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.


Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive

3) Not remaining in a position to be able to retreat if necessary. (Zimmerman had a car and a gun. Martin had neither. Zimmerman had the ability to hop in his car and zoom off or to fire a warning shot or to hit an arm or leg or something. For example, if Martin saw Zimmerman and threatened him, Zimmerman should easily have been able to get away.)

You gotta agree that he started the fight and had many opportunities to resolve the situation without loss of life. (Like I said, he had the car and a gun.)
 
2012-07-14 06:08:32 PM  

Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too

One would think that the media not wasting time with irrelevant nonsense would be a good thing. Apparently, you consider it a conspiracy.

I can believe that Zimmerman might not have been motivated by racial prejudice, but I don't think I can say as much for his cheerleaders.


Why would you think that a media outlet taking an active choice to CHANGE the kind of drink is NOT wasting time? Wouldn't the opposite be NOT wasting time and leaving the correct drink in? I think that the original complaint that apparently started all this discussion in the first place of the media being PC about it was correct. If Travon was walking down the street carrying watermelon, some fried chicken, dribbling a basketball, and drinking a 40 oz. bottle of Colt45 it isn't racially insensitive to report those facts as they are facts. Just because they happen to be black stereotypes doesn't mean that reality needs to take a vacation in reporting.
 
2012-07-14 06:11:52 PM  

Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.


They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?
 
2012-07-14 06:12:27 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: The media has kept calling the drink "Iced Tea".....when the evidentiary photos of the crime scene clearly show it is a "watermelon" drink

The media is so hung up on Racial Stereotypes that they will not accurately report the drink Tray was carrying. Someone should tell the media, and some of the people posting here....white folks eat watermelon, too

One would think that the media not wasting time with irrelevant nonsense would be a good thing. Apparently, you consider it a conspiracy.

I can believe that Zimmerman might not have been motivated by racial prejudice, but I don't think I can say as much for his cheerleaders.

Why would you think that a media outlet taking an active choice to CHANGE the kind of drink is NOT wasting time? Wouldn't the opposite be NOT wasting time and leaving the correct drink in? I think that the original complaint that apparently started all this discussion in the first place of the media being PC about it was correct. If Travon was walking down the street carrying watermelon, some fried chicken, dribbling a basketball, and drinking a 40 oz. bottle of Colt45 it isn't racially insensitive to report those facts as they are facts. Just because they happen to be black stereotypes doesn't mean that reality needs to take a vacation in reporting.


I don't think there's as much intent as you're attributing to it. Someone heard "iced tea" and it just circulated like a meme. Don't forget; the media is often incompetent and eager to avoid confrontation. That's why they never press Romney about his employment of illegal aliens and stuff like that. (You know, in the rare times when Romney will appear on a non-Fox show.)
 
2012-07-14 06:15:01 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?


Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.
 
2012-07-14 06:15:55 PM  
Zimmerman pissing off his judge is like Israel pissing off the Palestinians. There's just no way to prevent it, because both the judge and the Palestinians have decided they will never be anything but pissed off, and there is no magical combination of soothing words that will ever un-piss them.
 
2012-07-14 06:16:45 PM  

gimmegimme: consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.

Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive

3) Not remaining in a position to be able to retreat if necessary. (Zimmerman had a car and a gun. Martin had neither. Zimmerman had the ability to hop in his car and zoom off or to fire a warning shot or to hit an arm or leg or something. For example, if Martin saw Zimmerman and threatened him, Zimmerman should easily have been able to get away.)

You gotta agree that he started the fight and had many opportunities to resolve the situation without loss of life. (Like I said, he had the car and a gun.)


A warning shot? Are you serious? Save that nonsense for the movies. Every firearms class on the planet will tell you the same thing, if you pull it and fire aim center of mass till the target is down.
 
2012-07-14 06:17:34 PM  

gimmegimme: Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive



I can admit that he started the sequence of events that eventually led to the confrontation but not that he actually started the confrontation. What I have a problem with is how close this happened to the home where TM was staying. When TM took off and ran behind the row of townhouses, he was around 50 yards away from home. Had he been the frightened kid that some want to make him out to be, he could have easily made it home.

If he's not a frightened kid and was standing his ground against a threat, then you have to admit that it's possible that he was the one to start the physical altercation, don't you?
 
2012-07-14 06:17:56 PM  

Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

Explain this last point in any coherent context. How did trouble in school, or his choice of beverage, or really any of the irrelevant details you guys seem to obsess over, impact the shooting one way or another.

/And I'm not even going to address your point about unnecessary confrontation == blaming a rape victim. I'm hoping that you posted that in a moment of thoughtlessness.


About as much as someone staying in their car.....in the condo complex where they live....so they "avoid a crime"
 
2012-07-14 06:19:30 PM  

consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.


Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)
 
2012-07-14 06:20:17 PM  

consider this: gimmegimme: Since you are being relatively reasonable, can you at least admit that Zimmerman started the fight by:

1) Following Martin for quite some time by car

2) Continuing his pursuit on foot while waiting for backup to arrive


I can admit that he started the sequence of events that eventually led to the confrontation but not that he actually started the confrontation. What I have a problem with is how close this happened to the home where TM was staying. When TM took off and ran behind the row of townhouses, he was around 50 yards away from home. Had he been the frightened kid that some want to make him out to be, he could have easily made it home.

If he's not a frightened kid and was standing his ground against a threat, then you have to admit that it's possible that he was the one to start the physical altercation, don't you?


I don't know...I have no idea what happened after GZ hung up the phone and neither does anybody else.
 
2012-07-14 06:20:51 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Hickory-smoked: DancingElkCondor: astouffer: The bottom line is had Zimmerman stayed in his car like 911 told him to and waited for actual police to show up this would have ended peacefully.

Yes...and the woman who got raped should not have worn those clothes People should not work at banks because they get robbed....and hey, Trayvon should have behaved in school and he would not have been capped.

Explain this last point in any coherent context. How did trouble in school, or his choice of beverage, or really any of the irrelevant details you guys seem to obsess over, impact the shooting one way or another.

/And I'm not even going to address your point about unnecessary confrontation == blaming a rape victim. I'm hoping that you posted that in a moment of thoughtlessness.

About as much as someone staying in their car.....in the condo complex where they live....so they "avoid a crime"


Is that the same amount as someone walking back home to their condo complex after stopping at 7-11?
 
2012-07-14 06:22:08 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Zimmerman pissing off his judge is like Israel pissing off the Palestinians. There's just no way to prevent it, because both the judge and the Palestinians have decided they will never be anything but pissed off, and there is no magical combination of soothing words that will ever un-piss them.


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2012-07-14 06:29:11 PM  
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2012-07-14 06:30:38 PM  

kashari: Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)


You'll have to provide a citation for the light colored shirt statement, I can't seem to find anything while searching Google.

So you're saying that it's possible that GZ slipped and fell multiple times causing injuries on the front and back of his head? Taken that we have an eyewitness that saw TM on top, I'd say that's a real stretch.

As for the head being "pounded", how many times would you allow a person to bang your head off the ground before you felt as if your life might be in danger? At any point, the next blow could have been the fatal one. Was GZ obligated to wait until his skull was fractured before taking actions to defend himself?

GZ and TM were involved in a physical altercation, that's not in question by anybody involved with the case. GZ had multiple injuries while TM had no injuries other than a small laceration on a knuckle. Does that say who started the fight? No it doesn't. What I don't understand is how people are able to speculate that GZ attacked TM and then use that speculation to convict a man of murder. It's as if GZ needs to be punished solely because TM is dead, no matter what happened that night.

Like I was saying before, I can see a manslaughter charge, but there's nothing here to prove that a murder took place.
 
2012-07-14 06:31:01 PM  

gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?

Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.


No. You are trying to use what women do and play the game of inference.

They do this all the time, when they say 'you dont need to buy me anything'. 98% of the time, if a man hears that, he needs to buy her something.

If she wanted him to get in the car, she can say stay in the car, or get back in the car.
'We dont need you to do that' can easily be a way of covering their ass to show that they are not requesting he do something.

When you get pulled over for DWB, and you take your hands off the car, the officers do not tell you they dont need you to do that, they tell you to put your hands back on the car.
 
2012-07-14 06:32:14 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: Tourney3p0: Mrbogey:
Is "hunted" slang for "getting knocked to the ground and pummeled by"

No. It's slang for "getting out of the car and silently following the guy at night despite the police telling you not to". Try to keep up.

They did not tell him not to get out of his car.
What evidence do you have that he silently followed anyone?

Let's say you offer to mow your neighbor's lawn. Your neighbor says, "We don't need you to do that." He is politely declining your offer of assistance.

Now let's say you, a regular citizen, offer to remain in armed vehicle pursuit of someone you find suspicious and the 911 operator says, "We don't need you to do that." She is telling you to fark off.

No. You are trying to use what women do and play the game of inference.

They do this all the time, when they say 'you dont need to buy me anything'. 98% of the time, if a man hears that, he needs to buy her something.

If she wanted him to get in the car, she can say stay in the car, or get back in the car.
'We dont need you to do that' can easily be a way of covering their ass to show that they are not requesting he do something.

When you get pulled over for DWB, and you take your hands off the car, the officers do not tell you they dont need you to do that, they tell you to put your hands back on the car.


1) What is your problem with women?
2) What is your problem with situational logic?
 
2012-07-14 06:44:01 PM  

gimmegimme: 1) What is your problem with women?
2) What is your problem with situational logic?


It could have been worse. He could have used a Zimmerman thread to b*tch about Palestinians or the global scourge of the Narcotic Skittle Juice trade.
 
2012-07-14 06:45:50 PM  
Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.
 
2012-07-14 06:54:36 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


So what you're saying is that women, because of their very nature, should be prohibited from being 911 operators, policemen or to hold any other position in which it is critical to give clear orders.
 
2012-07-14 06:58:07 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


If you gave up your 911 call collection, you might have a better chance at learning how to communicate with women.
 
2012-07-14 07:00:06 PM  

gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that women, because of their very nature, should be prohibited from being 911 operators, policemen or to hold any other position in which it is critical to give clear orders.


Imagine if this male judge gets replaced with a female judge. It will be an infer-o-rama of grotesque proportions.
 
2012-07-14 07:18:59 PM  

kashari: consider this: kashari: Yes, it is in dispute. The witnesses saw 'moments', that doesn't mean the same person was on top through the whole thing. They've also described someone have a light shirt on that was on top. George was the only one with a light shirt on (under his jacket, which has no traces of grass or wetness when photographed shortly afterwards), Trayvon's was a very dark gray.

True, they didn't see the entire fight but unless GZ slammed his own head and nose into the pavement, we know it was caused by the confrontation with TM.

I don't recall any witness statements saying that somebody with a light shirt was on top during the scuffle. There are some statements saying that GZ was standing or kneeling over TM, but those were after the shooting.

Yes, the light shirt was mentioned in this last doc dump IIRC. Just because George has injuries, does not PROVE that Trayvon started the altercation or caused the injuries himself. The ground was wet & it was dark, George could have slipped or even if TM punched him, he could've hurt his head when he fell. There is no evidence his head was POUNDED multiple times. Those two little cuts are about 1in & a smaller one. (see his 'work release' doctor's report on his injuries.)


For a guy who was supposedly on his back on wet grass and concrete, the back of George's shirt looked suspiciously clean in that video of him being taken in by the police right after the shooting...
 
2012-07-14 07:21:39 PM  

vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.


You're such a lying, disingenuous piece of shiat. Let's get a few facts straight here.

1. "Drank" is not made with dxm. The "syrup" used to make drank is codeine/phenegran syrup. As a matter of fact, if you try to google your "watermelon lean" idiocy, the only thing that comes up are racist, right wing blog sites about this very case.

2. "Drank" is not made with watermelon anything. It is made with sprite.

3. "Drank" is not made with skittles at all. It's made with Jolly Ranchers.

Way to be completely farking wrong, thank you for your regurgitated freeper talking point that is demonstrably false on all levels. I'm sure you won't let anything like the truth get in your way when trying to justify the murder of an unarmed kid.
 
2012-07-14 07:38:08 PM  
The only reason this case is still being debated is because of an ill-conceived law that, good intentions aside, almost had the side-effect of legalizing unwitnessed murder. Regardless of who started the fight, we should all feel better knowing that shooting an unarmed person still warrants the inconvenience of a trial to sort out the facts.
 
2012-07-14 07:44:00 PM  

Bender The Offender: vegasj: bloobeary: I believe the technical term is wharrgarbl.

Really? The facts about watermelon drink, skittles, & DXM mixed = Watermelon Lean (or 'drank')


Ever wonder why Crump keeps referring the can of watermelon drink to tea when it isn't tea at all?

They do not want that connection made.

You're such a lying, disingenuous piece of shiat. Let's get a few facts straight here.

1. "Drank" is not made with dxm. The "syrup" used to make drank is codeine/phenegran syrup. As a matter of fact, if you try to google your "watermelon lean" idiocy, the only thing that comes up are racist, right wing blog sites about this very case.

2. "Drank" is not made with watermelon anything. It is made with sprite.

3. "Drank" is not made with skittles at all. It's made with Jolly Ranchers.


4. The kid could have been huffing gold spraypaint for all it matters, unless he was breaking into someone's house to do it, there was zero reason to be confrontational towards him, and zero reason for anyone to have been shot.
 
2012-07-14 07:59:21 PM  
Does no one remember that Zimmerman was specifically told NOT to pursue?

He's just a neighborhood watch dude, for fark's sake. His role in the whole situation should have ended when he called and reported that there was someone suspicious in the area.
 
2012-07-14 08:01:28 PM  
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2012-07-14 08:05:49 PM  

Crazy Hazy: Does no one remember that Zimmerman was specifically told NOT to pursue?

He's just a neighborhood watch dude, for fark's sake. His role in the whole situation should have ended when he called and reported that there was someone suspicious in the area.


Nutsac_Jim already explained this to us. The female 911 operator gave ambiguous, unclear instructions because she has breasts, a vagina and ovaries. Duh.
 
2012-07-14 08:20:40 PM  
Wow. I only read the first page of comments on this thread and I have to go clean the sh*t off my boots. Ugh.
 
2012-07-14 08:24:55 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.


Wow, have to wonder what kind of farked up childhood you had to marginalize women so much. 10-1 odds you and your father had "boundary" issues, he beat your mother and you continue that family tradition of repressed homosexuality and domestic violence to this day.
 
2012-07-14 08:32:45 PM  

Bender The Offender: Nutsac_Jim: Women are the champs at not using logic and using emotion and wanting you to infer things.
If you don't want to believe it, it's your own problem. Next up, I need to explain that guys like to look at boobs.

I have heard plenty of 911 tapes where the person is told to 'stay in your house', 'don't go outside' THOSE are instructions.

Wow, have to wonder what kind of farked up childhood you had to marginalize women so much. 10-1 odds you and your father had "boundary" issues, he beat your mother and you continue that family tradition of repressed homosexuality and domestic violence to this day.


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