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(Boing Boing)   CNN on Bill Nye's views about climate change: "just a kooky guy that doesn't know what he's talking about"   (boingboing.net) divider line 24
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2012-07-13 03:53:23 PM  
8 votes:
I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

Climate change denialists are as bad as creationists and flat earthers in that respect. Their claims are simply false, and trying to find a middle ground between true and false leaves us too close to false.
2012-07-13 03:28:54 PM  
7 votes:
Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.
2012-07-13 05:45:48 PM  
5 votes:
healthculturesociety.wikispaces.com
2012-07-13 08:37:21 PM  
2 votes:

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


Somewhat. While I believe this was much of the intent, her tone in saying, "I mean, you're not a climatologist! You wanna defend yourself?" is highly confrontatinal. What Carol Costello wants is for Bill Nye to be combative for ratings purposes without a guest opposite, not to press a narrative. Seems simultaneous effort to win approval from those who accept anthropogenic climate change by giving Bill the open chance to refute those comments and throw down some science as well as from those who disregard by making the accusations seem to come from her.

At least, this is my interpretation.

jigger: Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge.


He is not suggesting for us to disrupt democracy but for us to not be lulled into the belief due to one vote, one person meaning the beliefs, opinions, and knowledge which informs one vote are therefore as good as the beliefs, opinions, and knowledge which informs another vote. Basically, there is an overwhelming majority which holds resolute opinions on matters not understood such as the climate, economics, medicine, combat, local environment, education, unionization, etc., which is absurd. No layperson tells a mechanic, neurologist, carpenter, architect, etc., how to work, but, because we get to vote on matters or representatives and have our ego stroked by politicians, we tell folks such as scientists many things. Further, when confronted about our ignorance, we tend to fight twice as hard.

Now, places such as Fark, there is a tacit agreement we are all going to argue about things we know little about, but this is of no consequence. What is of consequence are the votes out there, the inability to discuss, to research.
2012-07-13 07:43:05 PM  
2 votes:
FloydA

I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov
2012-07-13 05:39:54 PM  
2 votes:

FloydA: I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

Climate change denialists are as bad as creationists and flat earthers in that respect. Their claims are simply false, and trying to find a middle ground between true and false leaves us too close to false.


Seriously, this. When does this false equivalence end? Soon we're going to hear the following on cable news: "Neil, I hear you. Believe me, I do. But since when do you have the right to force your alleged first-hand experience of walking on the moon on me and my faith? Why, it's a violation of my first amendment right to free speech."
2012-07-13 03:28:05 PM  
2 votes:
Everybody knows, that's not really him. He died in a massive vinegar/baking-soda explosion in 2000.
2012-07-14 12:17:56 AM  
1 votes:

Sherman Potter: He does not believe that the climate change that is currently taking place (which he acknowledges in the video) is anthropogenic.

Those pushing hardest for this to be accepted as fact have only one goal: control.


You honestly believe this, don't you?

What color is the sky in a world where corporate interest in debunking climate change is less likely than some liberal wanting "control"?

What does a politician or private scientist personally gain as opposed to what a corporation stands to lose? Are you really this farking naive? Turn off that radio, son, it's rotting your brain.

Climate change is another astroturfed "issue" that should really be left up to science, and science alone. We stopped going to Delphi for answers long ago.

And screw you for besmirching the name of one of TV's most beloved characters.
2012-07-13 10:07:39 PM  
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Poor CNN. That network is a freakin' embarrassment and a colossal disaster these days.


These days? If you mean since the mid 90s, sure. I remember when there was some sort of leak on the international space station, and they were breathlessly covering it for hours, completely unable to figure out what "torr" was to convert it into something they understood, much less relatable. Now I may grant them some slack being HQ'd in Atlanta and all, but are you telling me that there wasn't one god damn elementary physics textbook in the whole farking city?

CNN is all the information one might tease from gosspip or opinions, without the benefit of a meaningful opinion, and repeated every 10 minutes 24/7. CNN is useless AND vacillating. It's no wonder FOX is killing them, at least they can make a choice. If it wasn't for the rest of civilization, they'd be eaten by wolves.
2012-07-13 09:13:45 PM  
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.


Much easier just to skim Genesis in grade school and stop thinking thereafter.
2012-07-13 09:05:19 PM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: Get back to me when Bill Nye, the 'science' guy has a degree in meteorology, paleo-meteorology, statistics, etc.


Would it really matter to you considering that the majority of those who do have expertise in this area agree with him?
2012-07-13 08:46:06 PM  
1 votes:
CNN is of course completely farked, but let's not forget that MSNBC and Faux News are hardly better off. MSNBC ratings among 25--54 year olds is down 26% compared to this time last year, and Fox is down 21%. Their response to this dire news is, of course, to change nothing, except perhaps to double down on the derp, which is probably what's driving viewers away in the first place.

The real problem as I see it is that cable news networks were a bad idea in the first place. There just isn't enough news to keep at it 24 hours a day, so it's inevitable that they'll have filler, "pundits" like Bill O'Reilly and his ilk, who may have some success in the short term but who will drive many viewers away from your entire network in disgust. It's just too obvious to too many people that these networks are not news any more than the National Enquirer is news.
2012-07-13 08:32:48 PM  
1 votes:

Sherman Potter: He isn't a "denialist," either.

He does not believe that the climate change that is currently taking place (which he acknowledges in the video) is anthropogenic.

Those pushing hardest for this to be accepted as fact have only one goal: control.


Or we could, y'know, realize that the sheer amount of crap humanity pumps into the atmosphere just MIGHT have some sort of effect.
2012-07-13 08:04:43 PM  
1 votes:

SoxSweepAgain: unlikely: CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."

Precisely.

I don't watch the "news" anymore, I prefer websites that proclaim their balance right up front so I can read through their bias.

Fox: Fair and Balanced. Uh, not.
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, again, not.

Tell me you lean right or left then I can judge when I read your stuff.

I read "Red States.com" sometimes, KNOWING they obviously lean right.
I read "Daily Kos" for the same reason.

Major media sucks.

/But Fox is the worst and CNN is heading there.
//This was execrable,


This. CNN used to be pretty left, actually, too... What I hate about CNN is Nancy Grace, though. Fark that biatch.
2012-07-13 07:57:09 PM  
1 votes:
Nah she didn't. On the other hand, he really shouldn't have to "defend himself" from morons.
2012-07-13 07:54:22 PM  
1 votes:

maxheck: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov


God damn, I have all sorts of problems with this quote and Asimov is probably my favorite sci fi writer of all time.

Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge. A moron gets the same vote as a genius. If you want it to be different, you don't want democracy.
2012-07-13 07:49:09 PM  
1 votes:
"democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

let that sink in, and ask yourself where you've seen that in action... or in legislation that affects you.
2012-07-13 07:44:07 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


True. Even so, it's retarded to start an interview with "So a lot of people think you're crazy and stupid. Response?" It's just about the least professional thing you could do.
2012-07-13 07:38:40 PM  
1 votes:
He isn't a "denialist," either.

He does not believe that the climate change that is currently taking place (which he acknowledges in the video) is anthropogenic.

Those pushing hardest for this to be accepted as fact have only one goal: control.
2012-07-13 07:32:17 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus f*cking Christ, did any of you even watch the video? She is asking him to respond to what people on the internet call him.

And he actually is a "kooky guy who doesn't know what he's talking about" when he downplays the mismanagement of forests as a partial cause for the fires. Also he say "just two years ago it was wet in Colorado .... and then two years later when forest floor is especially dry". Ok so we are comparing weather and climate between two years as evidence of climate change? Sciency folks on fark would shoot my post full of holes if I did that here. And unfortunately the mismanagement of forests goes back more than 2 years, Bill. The heat and drought conditions just allow the ticking-time-bomb forests to finally explode.
2012-07-13 06:48:07 PM  
1 votes:
CNN has really upped the stupid as of late.
2012-07-13 05:59:43 PM  
1 votes:
Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.
2012-07-13 05:30:30 PM  
1 votes:
CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."
2012-07-13 03:25:08 PM  
1 votes:
liberal mainstream media again.
 
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