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2012-07-13 03:25:08 PM
liberal mainstream media again.
 
2012-07-13 03:28:05 PM
Everybody knows, that's not really him. He died in a massive vinegar/baking-soda explosion in 2000.
 
2012-07-13 03:28:54 PM
Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.
 
2012-07-13 03:42:49 PM
Poor CNN. That network is a freakin' embarrassment and a colossal disaster these days.
 
2012-07-13 03:53:23 PM
I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

Climate change denialists are as bad as creationists and flat earthers in that respect. Their claims are simply false, and trying to find a middle ground between true and false leaves us too close to false.
 
2012-07-13 05:30:30 PM
CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."
 
2012-07-13 05:31:39 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


Or perhaps I judged unfairly and early.

...no, if that's really what she was doing, this would be the exception and not the general pattern they've been in.
 
2012-07-13 05:39:54 PM

FloydA: I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

Climate change denialists are as bad as creationists and flat earthers in that respect. Their claims are simply false, and trying to find a middle ground between true and false leaves us too close to false.


Seriously, this. When does this false equivalence end? Soon we're going to hear the following on cable news: "Neil, I hear you. Believe me, I do. But since when do you have the right to force your alleged first-hand experience of walking on the moon on me and my faith? Why, it's a violation of my first amendment right to free speech."
 
2012-07-13 05:45:48 PM
healthculturesociety.wikispaces.com
 
2012-07-13 05:45:52 PM

unlikely: CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."


The thing they don't realize is that Fox viewers are completely numb in the head. These are people who are crippled unless some right-wing shill tells them what their opinions should be that day.

CNN's viewers, on average, are just a little too smart for that.
 
2012-07-13 05:47:20 PM
Confrontational "journalism".

We all must "choose teams".

Stupid.

/Just like Carol Costello.
 
2012-07-13 05:48:08 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


This
 
2012-07-13 05:51:55 PM

unlikely: CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."


Precisely.

I don't watch the "news" anymore, I prefer websites that proclaim their balance right up front so I can read through their bias.

Fox: Fair and Balanced. Uh, not.
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, again, not.

Tell me you lean right or left then I can judge when I read your stuff.

I read "Red States.com" sometimes, KNOWING they obviously lean right.
I read "Daily Kos" for the same reason.

Major media sucks.

/But Fox is the worst and CNN is heading there.
//This was execrable,
 
2012-07-13 05:59:43 PM
Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.
 
2012-07-13 06:08:31 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


It's an election year. We only have time for out of context sound bites.
 
2012-07-13 06:48:07 PM
CNN has really upped the stupid as of late.
 
2012-07-13 07:32:17 PM
Jesus f*cking Christ, did any of you even watch the video? She is asking him to respond to what people on the internet call him.

And he actually is a "kooky guy who doesn't know what he's talking about" when he downplays the mismanagement of forests as a partial cause for the fires. Also he say "just two years ago it was wet in Colorado .... and then two years later when forest floor is especially dry". Ok so we are comparing weather and climate between two years as evidence of climate change? Sciency folks on fark would shoot my post full of holes if I did that here. And unfortunately the mismanagement of forests goes back more than 2 years, Bill. The heat and drought conditions just allow the ticking-time-bomb forests to finally explode.
 
2012-07-13 07:38:40 PM
He isn't a "denialist," either.

He does not believe that the climate change that is currently taking place (which he acknowledges in the video) is anthropogenic.

Those pushing hardest for this to be accepted as fact have only one goal: control.
 
2012-07-13 07:39:34 PM

SoxSweepAgain: Carol Costello.


Who's on first!!1!
 
2012-07-13 07:43:05 PM
FloydA

I'm really glad he raised the point that both "sides" are not equal. When one side of a debate is completely full of s**t, there is really no need to treat them equally, and journalists do us a disservice when they try to balance opposing viewpoints.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov
 
2012-07-13 07:43:25 PM

FloydA: Climate change denialists are as bad as creationists and flat earthers in that respect. Their claims are simply false, and trying to find a middle ground between true and false leaves us too close to false.


Not even remotely true. Creationists argue that the process of natural selection doesn't occur, something that's empirically not true. Climate change deniers argue that (a) observed changes are not attributable to human-created carbon emissions specifically or (b) that the observed recent increase in global temperature does not constitute as sharp a trend as generally projected or doesn't constitute a trend at all.

The creationist are definitely, 100% for certain in every way wrong. The climate-change deniers are probably wrong, but still within the realm of possibility. There's a world of difference between those levels, the second one is a gambler betting on green in Roulette and the first is that gambler betting on blue.
 
2012-07-13 07:44:07 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


True. Even so, it's retarded to start an interview with "So a lot of people think you're crazy and stupid. Response?" It's just about the least professional thing you could do.
 
2012-07-13 07:45:49 PM

violentsalvation: And he actually is a "kooky guy who doesn't know what he's talking about" when he downplays the mismanagement of forests as a partial cause for the fires.


So we need less firefighters, amiright?
 
2012-07-13 07:48:35 PM

SkinnyHead: Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-13 07:48:37 PM
Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!
 
2012-07-13 07:49:09 PM
"democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

let that sink in, and ask yourself where you've seen that in action... or in legislation that affects you.
 
2012-07-13 07:54:05 PM
One question I never see raised in these threads is how much might climate change be attributed to all the nukes we set off from 1945 on? I mean, dozens of nuclear tests a year for a few decades seems like it could add up to something...
 
2012-07-13 07:54:22 PM

maxheck: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov


God damn, I have all sorts of problems with this quote and Asimov is probably my favorite sci fi writer of all time.

Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge. A moron gets the same vote as a genius. If you want it to be different, you don't want democracy.
 
2012-07-13 07:55:53 PM

SoxSweepAgain: unlikely: CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."

Precisely.

I don't watch the "news" anymore, I prefer websites that proclaim their balance right up front so I can read through their bias.

Fox: Fair and Balanced. Uh, not.
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, again, not.

Tell me you lean right or left then I can judge when I read your stuff.

I read "Red States.com" sometimes, KNOWING they obviously lean right.
I read "Daily Kos" for the same reason.

Major media sucks.

/But Fox is the worst and CNN is heading there.
//This was execrable,


I tend to read those two and CSmonitor.com with motherjones. Both put out some stellar articles.
 
2012-07-13 07:56:39 PM

jigger: SkinnyHead: Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.

[i.imgur.com image 157x122]


"A young Mike Nelson had to take whatever acting jobs he was able to find."
 
2012-07-13 07:57:09 PM
Nah she didn't. On the other hand, he really shouldn't have to "defend himself" from morons.
 
2012-07-13 07:59:01 PM
jigger:

maxheck: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov

God damn, I have all sorts of problems with this quote and Asimov is probably my favorite sci fi writer of all time.

Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge. A moron gets the same vote as a genius. If you want it to be different, you don't want democracy.


Fair enough.

You do understand the difference between science and politics, right?

It's the intersection that gets grotesque. Fair and balanced does not mean that you should present a geocentric universe on the same footing as a heliocentric, unless
"fair and balanced" is some sort of fetish. We're actually in that sort of situation.
 
2012-07-13 08:04:43 PM

SoxSweepAgain: unlikely: CNN: "We wish we were Fox. We want their ratings, so we're going to be as mind-numbingly idiotic as they are."

Precisely.

I don't watch the "news" anymore, I prefer websites that proclaim their balance right up front so I can read through their bias.

Fox: Fair and Balanced. Uh, not.
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, again, not.

Tell me you lean right or left then I can judge when I read your stuff.

I read "Red States.com" sometimes, KNOWING they obviously lean right.
I read "Daily Kos" for the same reason.

Major media sucks.

/But Fox is the worst and CNN is heading there.
//This was execrable,


This. CNN used to be pretty left, actually, too... What I hate about CNN is Nancy Grace, though. Fark that biatch.
 
2012-07-13 08:05:54 PM

davidphogan: One question I never see raised in these threads is how much might climate change be attributed to all the nukes we set off from 1945 on? I mean, dozens of nuclear tests a year for a few decades seems like it could add up to something...


While the energy released from a nuke is exciting, it's small in the grand scheme of things:

"A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes."
 
2012-07-13 08:11:59 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


Modmins, I do protest!

As Dinki suggests, this was a misrepresentative headline on which to base this weekend's global warming thread.
 
2012-07-13 08:18:03 PM
maxheck:

jigger:

maxheck: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov

God damn, I have all sorts of problems with this quote and Asimov is probably my favorite sci fi writer of all time.

Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge. A moron gets the same vote as a genius. If you want it to be different, you don't want democracy.

Fair enough.

You do understand the difference between science and politics, right?

It's the intersection that gets grotesque. Fair and balanced does not mean that you should present a geocentric universe on the same footing as a heliocentric, unless
"fair and balanced" is some sort of fetish. We're actually in that sort of situation.


Tell me true, have you *not* seen people voting on billion-dollar packages based on something they read as a child that came from bronze-age mythology? Be honest. There are many, many examples.

Whether that is right or wrong from a morality standpoint, it forces mythology onto science.

Quit it. The two should be separate. The muddle between them is politics.
 
2012-07-13 08:21:53 PM
Hey, mods (and subby):

You could have read my Weeners on dimboing on this topic and saved yourselves the trouble of starting this useless crap here.
 
2012-07-13 08:25:08 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: davidphogan: One question I never see raised in these threads is how much might climate change be attributed to all the nukes we set off from 1945 on? I mean, dozens of nuclear tests a year for a few decades seems like it could add up to something...

While the energy released from a nuke is exciting, it's small in the grand scheme of things:

"A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes."


Heat isn't the only byproduct of a nuclear detonation.
 
2012-07-13 08:27:59 PM
Oh for Christ's sake she was playing devil's advocate with the question. This is clear as day in her tone. She allowed him ample opportunity to debunk his detractors.
 
2012-07-13 08:28:01 PM
A real news program would have brought in a real climatologist and had someone ask real questions and listen to the answers instead of bringing in Bill Nye and challenging him to defend himself against "what you get when you Google your name" [sic].

That's some real great journalism there, Carol. I imagine your professors back at Kent State are proud of you. And what a service you are providing to your viewers by completely missing the point and muddying the waters. Superb.
 
2012-07-13 08:29:37 PM

SkinnyHead: Bill Nye is proof that you don't need an advanced degree in science to have an opinion about science. He can "read a graph" and form opinions just like everyone else.


You do, however, need something better than a GED in law.

Also, you need to not be a farking moron.

Unfortunately, you qualify for neither accolade.
 
2012-07-13 08:31:40 PM

red5ish: A real news program would have brought in a real climatologist and had someone ask real questions and listen to the answers instead of bringing in Bill Nye and challenging him to defend himself against "what you get when you Google your name" [sic].

That's some real great journalism there, Carol. I imagine your professors back at Kent State are proud of you. And what a service you are providing to your viewers by completely missing the point and muddying the waters. Superb.


I disagree. There are all sorts of pseudo-scientists here on FARK that could explain the entire situation and they have as much expertise as Bill Nye.
 
2012-07-13 08:32:48 PM

Sherman Potter: He isn't a "denialist," either.

He does not believe that the climate change that is currently taking place (which he acknowledges in the video) is anthropogenic.

Those pushing hardest for this to be accepted as fact have only one goal: control.


Or we could, y'know, realize that the sheer amount of crap humanity pumps into the atmosphere just MIGHT have some sort of effect.
 
2012-07-13 08:35:53 PM
chuckufarlie:

That's some real great journalism there, Carol. I imagine your professors back at Kent State are proud of you. And what a service you are providing to your viewers by completely missing the point and muddying the waters. Superb.

I disagree. There are all sorts of pseudo-scientists here on FARK that could explain the entire situation and they have as much expertise as Bill Nye.


So... Hey, Nicky... What else do you do in your less-educated free time?
 
2012-07-13 08:37:21 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


Somewhat. While I believe this was much of the intent, her tone in saying, "I mean, you're not a climatologist! You wanna defend yourself?" is highly confrontatinal. What Carol Costello wants is for Bill Nye to be combative for ratings purposes without a guest opposite, not to press a narrative. Seems simultaneous effort to win approval from those who accept anthropogenic climate change by giving Bill the open chance to refute those comments and throw down some science as well as from those who disregard by making the accusations seem to come from her.

At least, this is my interpretation.

jigger: Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge.


He is not suggesting for us to disrupt democracy but for us to not be lulled into the belief due to one vote, one person meaning the beliefs, opinions, and knowledge which informs one vote are therefore as good as the beliefs, opinions, and knowledge which informs another vote. Basically, there is an overwhelming majority which holds resolute opinions on matters not understood such as the climate, economics, medicine, combat, local environment, education, unionization, etc., which is absurd. No layperson tells a mechanic, neurologist, carpenter, architect, etc., how to work, but, because we get to vote on matters or representatives and have our ego stroked by politicians, we tell folks such as scientists many things. Further, when confronted about our ignorance, we tend to fight twice as hard.

Now, places such as Fark, there is a tacit agreement we are all going to argue about things we know little about, but this is of no consequence. What is of consequence are the votes out there, the inability to discuss, to research.
 
2012-07-13 08:41:42 PM

jigger: maxheck: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
― Isaac Asimov

God damn, I have all sorts of problems with this quote and Asimov is probably my favorite sci fi writer of all time.

Dammit, democracy definitely means that your ignorance is as good as the other guys knowledge. A moron gets the same vote as a genius. If you want it to be different, you don't want democracy.


I don't know the context if that quote, but to me it means that while democracy says your ignorance may carry the same weight as knowledge, it doesn't make it right. As in, just because you have a vote doesn't mean you're not retarded or make you just as "right" as whoever actually hsppens to be right
 
2012-07-13 08:42:10 PM
For those of you who think that Carol is simply "opening" for him and not agreeing in any way... Check out 1:30 and look at the body language and her tone. As well, while she is clearly being a little cheeky in the beginning, watch as she leans forward not on the "kooky guy" but on the "you're not a climatologist", and then afterwards really leans back as to eliminate her threatening posture, but still maintaining the kind of posture that is almost a "come at me bro" type posture of "prove me wrong." If she doesn't believe what she is saying in him being "kooky", she still doesn't respect his opinion on the matter, either because she is a denier or just doesn't think he is qualified.

If she doesn't believe it, she is a great actress.
 
2012-07-13 08:46:06 PM
CNN is of course completely farked, but let's not forget that MSNBC and Faux News are hardly better off. MSNBC ratings among 25--54 year olds is down 26% compared to this time last year, and Fox is down 21%. Their response to this dire news is, of course, to change nothing, except perhaps to double down on the derp, which is probably what's driving viewers away in the first place.

The real problem as I see it is that cable news networks were a bad idea in the first place. There just isn't enough news to keep at it 24 hours a day, so it's inevitable that they'll have filler, "pundits" like Bill O'Reilly and his ilk, who may have some success in the short term but who will drive many viewers away from your entire network in disgust. It's just too obvious to too many people that these networks are not news any more than the National Enquirer is news.
 
2012-07-13 08:49:34 PM

Dinki: Context is everything subby. She was giving him the opening to respond to the idiots out there calling him that.


Some say Dinki can only climax to 1940's Japanese propaganda posters, so what's your take on this global warming thing?

There are people that suggest Dinki is a hermaphroditic centaur with over 50 accounts on Stormfront, why should we listen to him?

Is Dinki really Hitler? A man in Lousiana says yes. Where exactly were you 70 years ago, Dinki?

I'm only asking questions.
 
2012-07-13 08:54:01 PM
Get back to me when Bill Nye, the 'science' guy has a degree in meteorology, paleo-meteorology, statistics, etc.

Until then, he's just a comedian who found a better paying gig.

Yeah, you didn't know that?
He started out as a comedian and now he's an 'authority' on global 'warming'.
 
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