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2012-07-13 02:40:31 PM
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.
 
2012-07-13 02:53:33 PM

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Really, she should have left quietly. That's probably what I would have done. But, yeah, Daniel Tosh is also a misogynistic tool.
 
2012-07-13 02:57:01 PM

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


My work here is done.

/do not heckle a comedian unless it's Andy Kauffman, and he's dead
 
2012-07-13 02:57:56 PM
If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.
 
2012-07-13 03:00:45 PM

Lsherm: This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

He got heckled and he reacted in character. Now that might be a reprehensible character and all the criticisms about his act including references to rape and such are valid, but ultimately if you interrupt Gallagher's set don't be surprised when you get covered in watermelon.
 
2012-07-13 03:06:47 PM

dameron: Lsherm: This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

He got heckled and he reacted in character. Now that might be a reprehensible character and all the criticisms about his act including references to rape and such are valid, but ultimately if you interrupt Gallagher's set don't be surprised when you get covered in watermelon.


Thanks for the clarification. I don't think (and I doubt most people do) that Daniel Tosh is really advocating rape, or that he's such an asshole in real life.
 
2012-07-13 03:14:11 PM
Sounds like Tosh is up for a Web Redemption.
 
2012-07-13 03:19:40 PM

dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?


The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.
 
2012-07-13 03:37:36 PM
The real tragedy here is that Daniel Tosh got heckled. In a perfect world, that wouldn't have happened.


Mostly because there wouldn't have been anyone in the audience
 
2012-07-13 03:38:46 PM

mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think


haha, what? there are STILL republicans who believe that, even after all of the years. bill oreilly let him co-host his show AND they had him host the correspondance dinner for GWB.
 
2012-07-13 03:48:03 PM
I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.
 
2012-07-13 03:57:14 PM

FloydA: The real tragedy here is that Daniel Tosh got heckled. In a perfect world, that wouldn't have happened.


Mostly because there wouldn't have been anyone in the audience


I'd be there. Saw him once in concert and I was crying laughing the entire time. Didn't get tickets in time this year to see him or else I would've gone to that tour too.
 
2012-07-13 04:16:12 PM
Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.
 
2012-07-13 04:17:39 PM
Here's a list of every funny female comic:

Same as List of female comedians funnier than Daniel Tosh:
 
2012-07-13 04:17:41 PM

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


I think it would be more accurate to describe his persona as misanthropic.
 
2012-07-13 04:18:18 PM

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Unless this is the first time she's ever heard of Daniel Tosh, she should have known what she was in for.

I saw him live at the Mirage and he used the same material, and no one walked out. This whiney biatch needs to grow some thicker skin.
 
2012-07-13 04:18:54 PM

mahuika: dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.


Rape is a terrible, horrible, evil crime. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But it doesn't get a protected status when it comes to jokes separate from dead baby jokes, 9/11 jokes, or Holocaust jokes.

/Although Tosh's "joke" of "wouldn't it be funny if this woman right her got raped right now" was just so insanely outside the bounds of acceptable that it doesn't really belong in this category.
 
2012-07-13 04:20:36 PM
His rape joke wasn't particularly funny. Neither were any of those tweets. Are they even? Can we drop it?
 
2012-07-13 04:20:48 PM

tlchwi02: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think

haha, what? there are STILL republicans who believe that, even after all of the years. bill oreilly let him co-host his show AND they had him host the correspondance dinner for GWB.


If you think that means that O'Reilly and the guy who booked him as entertainment for the Correspondent's Dinner didn't realize it was an act, you're the one we're all laughing at.
 
2012-07-13 04:22:20 PM
This is kinda like the Michael Richards thing. Honestly, I think the dude was trying to do an edgy-Dave Chappelle thing in response to his hecklers, but he's an uncool white dude and it came off terribly. Same thing here. It's just not going to come off as cool to respond to a heckler like that if you're a dude and the heckler is a woman.

Now, both of these hecklers are stupid assholes, certainly, but you just can't do something like that.
 
2012-07-13 04:24:04 PM

advex101: Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.


Seriously.

/Someone should have raped that girl.
 
2012-07-13 04:29:02 PM
It's always offensive and off-limits when it's YOUR sacred cow. I'm sure she laughed like all the rest at jokes involving race, gender, sexual orientation, ugly people, dumb models, Jews, Catholics, dead people, victims of other crimes, cancer, etc.
 
2012-07-13 04:30:01 PM
How is this unacceptable?

If someone comes up to you in the street and punches you in the face, THAT is unacceptable. If you step in to a boxing ring, and a man in shiny shorts and big gloves punches you in the face, that's what happens biatch.

If Tosh did some hidden camera gag where he gets all rapey on random civilians, that would be unacceptable. If you heckle someone on stage, expect a come-back, biatch.
 
2012-07-13 04:30:27 PM

meanmutton: If you think that means that O'Reilly and the guy who booked him as entertainment for the Correspondent's Dinner didn't realize it was an act, you're the one we're all laughing at.


have you SEEN the correspondents dinner? its pretty clear whoever booked that had no idea what they were getting into. They knew he was a comic, but they pretty clearly did not realize what his shtick was.
 
2012-07-13 04:32:41 PM
I'm not really sure Louis CK defended Tosh, unless there's more to it than that "your show is funny" tweet.
 
2012-07-13 04:34:27 PM
Cyndi Lauper is a comedian??
 
2012-07-13 04:34:41 PM
He's a douche. Something about the dude makes me want to reach thorough my Sirus deck and strangle him. On top of that, when my stepsons watch his stupid show, I get hives. He's not really that funny, and he CAN be a total prick. We have plenty of shiat to make jokes about, we can go ahead and leave 'rape' off the bill. Jokes are supposed to strike a never somewhere, but you don't have to be an ass.

Fark this dude. If I did a top 200 comedians of all time list, I'd have to dig up about 150, but I could find 150 that would rank over him.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:22 PM
So, the story is Daniel Tosh is bad at handling hecklers?

Really, she shouldn't have interrupted. A comedian draws you in with his routine, and his timing is practiced. You heckle him like that, you interrupt the flow, and you draw EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE out of it.

But, he should have said something else. What he said wasn't funny, not because he was suggesting she get raped, but it because it just wasn't funny. Perhaps something along the lines of "Ooohhh. Sounds like somebody got raped before the show started. Don't forget to pick up some Plan B on your way home." would probably have been funnier, and shut her up all the same.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:42 PM

CastorTroy: If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.


She is also really not making a dig at tosh, at least not in that tweet anyway.



Besides, the only female comedian out there right now worth any attention is Amy Schumer, and she has gone as far as to declare herself "Team Tosh"

I simply cannot understand a woman who calls herself a comedian would be in favor of censoring other comedians. Same can be said for black comedians who call for people who make racist jokes to be fired/banned/censored.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:59 PM
Didn't he already apologize for this? As much as a comedian should apologize for a response to being heckled. Out of line? Of course. Daniel was being a tremendous asshole by making such a comment. On the other hand, never heckle a comedian, know the comedian you are planning to see, and if the guy is saying "all rape jokes are funny" on stage then are you expecting polite conversation?

Several of the responses to people who are critical of Daniel are inexcusable, however. You do not have a stage and a microphone nor a comedic personality. Stop suggesting someone should be raped because they happen to take offense with a purposefully offensive joke and retort.
 
2012-07-13 04:39:37 PM
The offensive thing is that it wasn't a funny comeback, if it had it would be fine.

She shouldn't have heckled and he shouldn't responded using rape as the retort because if a rape joke falls flat you get this. I'm not a big fan of rape jokes to begin with because in a large audience statistically there is likely to be someone who was raped. However that said, a good joke is a good joke and everything is fair game when only done right, controversial topics are best not ad-libbed.
 
2012-07-13 04:40:20 PM
I guess this woman was fine with all of Tosh's other bits - you know, the jokes about black people and welfare, cripple jokes, cancer patient jokes, Asian driving, etc, etc.

But when he joked about a WOMAN being RAPED, a line was definitely crossed!
 
2012-07-13 04:41:27 PM
FTA: Meghan O'Keefe @megsokay

"I wrote a serious. 'When Rape Jokes Are Never Funny' for @ HuffPostComedy "
O'Keefe, a comedian and writer, linked to her excellent essay (read the whole thing here) on why Daniel Tosh's rape humor shouldn't be defended. Here's an excerpt:

"It's not that comics can't cross lines. Comics should say whatever they want. If Tosh honestly thinks rape is funny... well, that's his opinion...What's disturbing is that this is a worldview that is violent and that lacks empathy. What's even more disturbing is that he's not some unknown comic presenting an unpopular opinion. He's one of the most popular and beloved comic acts in the country. Which means that a huge percentage of our country thinks rape jokes are funny...because they think the act of physically hurting and sexually dominating a woman against her will is funny."


This woman knows what she's talking about. Comedy is about staying within the lines, staying predictable, and saying only that which is good taste and prevents the audience from anything more complicated than a knee slap and a giggle. Things like rape shouldn't be talked about in anything louder than hushed tones. There's no way that humor can function as a way to reflect on tragedy in a way that enables one to examine the violent and serious nature of the world through an emotion other than despair. That's why Blazing Saddles failed as a comedy, it should have treated the material much more seriously. Like Roots.
 
2012-07-13 04:41:52 PM
... oh. Not Kerri Green.

Thread needs Kerri Green.

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2012-07-13 04:44:09 PM

CastorTroy: If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.


First thing that came to my mind:

www.gogaminggiant.com
 
2012-07-13 04:44:51 PM
Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things.
You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk.
Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it.
Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shiat all the time.
Like rape. They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny."
I say, "fark you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?"
I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
See, hey why do you think they call him "Porky," eh? I know what you're going to say.
"Elmer was asking for it. Elmer was coming on to Porky.
Porky couldn't help himself, he got a hard- on, he got horney, he lost control, he went out of his mind."
A lot of men talk like that. A lot of men think that way. They think it's the woman's fault.
They like to blame the rape on the woman. Say, "she had it coming, she was wearing a short skirt."
These guys think women ought to go to prison for being cock teasers. Don't seem fair to me.
Don't seem right, but you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything.
It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is.
Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion.
Give you an example. Did you ever see a news story like this in the paper?
Every now and then you run into a story, says, "some guy broke into a house, stole a lot of things, and while he was in there, he raped an 81 year old woman."
And I'm thinking to myself, "WHY??? What the fark kind of a social life does this guy have?"
I want to say, "why did you do that?" "Well she was coming on to me. We were dancing and I got horney.
Hey, she was asking for it, she had on a tight bathrobe." I'll say, "Jesus Christ, be a little farking selective next time will you?"

Now, speaking of rape, do you know what I wonder? I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole.
These are the kind of things I think about when I'm sitting home alone and the power goes out.
I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole. I mean per capita, I know the populations are different.
Most people think it's the equator, I think it's the north pole.
People think it's the equator because it's hot down there, they don't wear a lot of clothing, guys can see women's tits, they get horney and there's a lot of farking going on.
That's exactly why there's less rape at the equator. Because there's a lot of farking going on.
You can tell there's a lot of farking at the equator, take a look at the population figures.
Billions of people live near the equator. How many Eskimos do we have?
Thirty? Thirty five? No one's getting laid at the north pole, it's too farking cold.
Guys say to their wives, "hey tonight honey, huh, tonight, huh?"
"Are you crazy? The wind chill factor is three hundred below."
These guys are deprived. Their horney. Their pent up. Every now and then...p-pmm...they bust out, they got to rape somebody.

Now, the biggest problem an Eskimo rapist has, trying to get wet leather leggings off a woman who is kicking.
Did you ever try to get leather pants off of someone who doesn't want to take them off?
You would lose your hard-on in the process.
Up at the north pole you dick would shrivel up like a stack of dimes.
That's another thing I wonder.
I wonder, does a rapist have a hard-on when he leaves the house in the morning,
or does he develop it during the day while he's walking around looking for somebody.
These are the kind of thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools.


- George Carlin
 
2012-07-13 04:47:30 PM
Why are men vs. women rape jokes taboo, ... but man vs. man rape (ie: prison, being screwed over, taking one for the team, etc) jokes welcomed and told at least twice a week on average by men and women alike? I mean, "yay equality" and all that, right? What about my feelings?! You don't know what I went through in that holding cell!

/need 1 more this week.
 
2012-07-13 04:49:49 PM
The thing I like about Tosh is that he says things that are outrageous, beyond the pale, and make you uncomfortable. This sort of remark sounds just like him.

Why would you go to one of his shows, heckle him, and then NOT expect something like this to come back at you. Did the heckling woman really think she was going to publicly shame Tosh into tasteful sensitivity?
 
2012-07-13 04:50:18 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.


I'll raise you Dane Cook.
 
2012-07-13 04:53:38 PM
www.yourlocalweb.co.uk

Vast fields of rape, nearly as far as the eye can see...
 
2012-07-13 04:54:06 PM
Lsherm
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Wrong. It's about heckling, which the woman shouldn't have done, and Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done. He's an asshole. Other assholes are springing to his defense. That's hardly surprising.
 
2012-07-13 04:55:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

My work here is done.

/do not heckle a comedian unless it's Andy Kauffman, and he's dead


Are you sure?
 
2012-07-13 04:55:38 PM

LindyJohn: The thing I like about Tosh is that he says things that are outrageous, beyond the pale, and make you uncomfortable.


You misspelled 'Doug Stanhope'.
 
2012-07-13 04:57:39 PM
George Carlin for the win, with an assist by LemSkroob
 
2012-07-13 04:58:47 PM
If you go through life expecting to find all comedy material you encounter to be 100% funny and inoffensive, you're going to experience a lot of disappointment.
 
2012-07-13 05:01:34 PM

mahuika: dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.


You didn't laugh at the Antoine Dodson video, the end of Trading Places, any hitchhiker joke ever, the end of Mallrats, any prison joke ever, etc. The word and concept of rape can kill the comedy quick (classic rookie improv mistake), but a good comedian can make you laugh while discussing rape. Saying that rape jokes are never funny is just as indefensible of a position as saying that rape jokes are always funny. People get vitriolic when they feel attacked. The fact that people on the internet are treating other people on the internet like garbage is not the basis of any worthwhile argument about anything.

This is about a girl who doesn't understand sarcasm or irony sharing the out of context words of a notoriously sarcastic comedian as though they should be taken at face value, and lots of morons taking those same out of context words at face value. Look at her account of the situation. It wasn't rape jokes that offended her, it was that he said rape jokes are always funny and she felt that meant he was saying that there was something wrong with her because she didn't think rape jokes are always funny.

Guess what people, neither does Daniel Tosh or any other reasonable person. That's what makes it funny when he says it over and over and over again. Its an indefensible position and he's using every coy voice inflection and facial expression he has in his arsenal to let the audience know that, and one girl doesn't get it.

The reason this thing blew up is that millions of people read a clearly biased summary of what someone might have said in a comedy club and didn't immediately say to themselves "I have no idea what actually happened and shouldn't comment until I do" We have just become absolutely worthless at evaluating situations without video evidence.
 
2012-07-13 05:03:28 PM
Self defense for women isn't promoted nearly enough.
 
2012-07-13 05:03:29 PM

Lsherm: I don't think (and I doubt most people do) that Daniel Tosh is really advocating rape, or that he's such an asshole in real life.


You obviously haven't read a lot of the twitter complaints and conversations about this. In TFA, there's one tweet that mentions "rape culture." It is their claim that anyone who "promotes rape culture" is, in fact, promoting the act of rape. The only other instance I know of a big blowup over this is Tucker Max.

Regardless of what you think of the joke or the comedian himself, you can't simply jump to the correlation that he's promoting or advocating rape. Why not go after actual rapists rather than people making subjectively funny comments about rape.

Like Doug Stanhope said, I've never heard of a rapist using the "it seemed funny at the time" defense.
 
2012-07-13 05:05:30 PM

NutznGum: Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.

I'll raise you Dane Cook.


Daniel Tosh is right at the bottom, dueling Dane Cook for second-to-last place, just under Michael Richards. Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness is always going to be at the bottom of the list, because that exploitative, thieving, lying bastard would have to be deposed by another exploitative, lying, thieving bastard who did something on top of all that.
 
2012-07-13 05:06:28 PM

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Mary Elisabeth Williams is one of the more interesting Salon writers because of articles like this one. A little rare for my taste, but I am not surprised she would write this. (Also not surprised if she wrote the more obvious feminista article on this.)
 
2012-07-13 05:07:00 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: So, the story is Daniel Tosh is bad at handling hecklers?

Really, she shouldn't have interrupted. A comedian draws you in with his routine, and his timing is practiced. You heckle him like that, you interrupt the flow, and you draw EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE out of it.

But, he should have said something else. What he said wasn't funny, not because he was suggesting she get raped, but it because it just wasn't funny. Perhaps something along the lines of "Ooohhh. Sounds like somebody got raped before the show started. Don't forget to pick up some Plan B on your way home." would probably have been funnier, and shut her up all the same.


That's so much more offensive than what he said. He said wouldn't it be ironic if this girl got gang raped right now. The humor comes from the fact that the situation he is describing would never happen, and it would be a big fark you from the universe if something so hurtful and impossible happened right then. What you said is just a demeaning and mean-spirited attack on her.
 
2012-07-13 05:08:18 PM
There is only one rule in comedy: you can joke about anything but it better be funny.
 
2012-07-13 05:15:33 PM

FormlessOne: NutznGum: Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.

I'll raise you Dane Cook.

Daniel Tosh is right at the bottom, dueling Dane Cook for second-to-last place, just under Michael Richards. Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness is always going to be at the bottom of the list, because that exploitative, thieving, lying bastard would have to be deposed by another exploitative, lying, thieving bastard who did something on top of all that.


I'd like to beat them all to death with the corpse of Jeff Dunham.
 
2012-07-13 05:16:53 PM
Seriously, if every blogger is gonna get butthurt over every little thing comedians say these days, then how long til all comedians are banned in the name of political correctness? What comedian hasn't "gotten in trouble" in the last couple of years? And where were these "comedian police" and their butthurt decades ago? Oh right, people understood what a farking joke was back then.
 
2012-07-13 05:17:07 PM

patrick767: Lsherm
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

Wrong. It's about heckling, which the woman shouldn't have done, and Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done. He's an asshole. Other assholes are springing to his defense. That's hardly surprising.


People who defend hecklers are assholes.
 
2012-07-13 05:20:12 PM
4 out of 5 people enjoy gang rape.
 
2012-07-13 05:21:17 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Seriously, if every blogger is gonna get butthurt over every little thing comedians say these days, then how long til all comedians are banned in the name of political correctness? What comedian hasn't "gotten in trouble" in the last couple of years? And where were these "comedian police" and their butthurt decades ago? Oh right, people understood what a farking joke was back then.


the difference was, without the internet it just meant that the "blogger" would complain to her friends and they would all tut-tut the loose morals of the damn kids these days and within a week they'd have forgotten and moved on to crying about the next offensive thing they saw. now it goes out to the whole world and is up forever.
 
2012-07-13 05:22:39 PM

mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.


It all depends on the exaggeration. Exaggerating rape as punishment, as done here, is bad. Exaggerating the circumstances of rape, as in George Carlin's example joke of a guy raping an 81 year old woman while robbing her place, is better, but not entirely good, either.
 
2012-07-13 05:23:16 PM
Hey, not everyone can be as funny as Jeff Dunham. I would suggest that someone ram an arm up HIS ass and make him say retarded things, but I'm pretty sure that is already called "a typical Friday night" in his household.
 
2012-07-13 05:23:27 PM
See, he could have turned that heckle around. He could have said I mean rape is funny not haha but funny odd. We feel for the victim but, the poor guy will get heckled the rest of his life for having such a small dick he had to force a woman to have sex with him.

Suggesting gang rape on an audience member was his fark up.
 
2012-07-13 05:25:24 PM
Rape should never be joked about. Unless it's lesbian rape. That's awesome.
 
2012-07-13 05:27:13 PM

IlGreven: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.

It all depends on the exaggeration. Exaggerating rape as punishment, as done here, is bad. Exaggerating the circumstances of rape, as in George Carlin's example joke of a guy raping an 81 year old woman while robbing her place, is better, but not entirely good, either.


Why do you think he was exaggerating rape as punishment?
 
2012-07-13 05:28:07 PM
god this whole comments section makes me feel ashamed to have ever been part of this community.
 
2012-07-13 05:28:25 PM
I have an 8 year old non-verbal autistic and I am constantly joking about autism and the crazy things he does. We literally call him Crazy. That's his name around here. Captain Crazy if we have syllables to spare. Right now he is running around the back rooms with a donald duck intertube on, a dog leash in 1 hand (no dog) and something that looks like a jenga block in the other, screaming "no no no no" between laughs. Seriously. What the hell is that? He's completely nuts. Doesn't mean we love him any less (more, in fact. he's super fun).

If I was him, I'd want to kill myself if all my parents did was mope about what a victim I (and they) are and how life is so unfair and future is so bleak and blah blah blah. Get over it. There's humor to be had in everything, even the tragic. This kid has a better life than I had growing up, with about 1/3 of the toys and no outdoor adventures. I envy the little bastard.

Point being, people look at me in horror when I don't immediately start crying every time I look at him. Like I'm a bad parent and terrible person and I don't understand how much the deliriously laughing kid is suffering. Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-07-13 05:28:28 PM
The people outraged by this either don't understand human interactions and context or are being disingenuous. The woman said, "don't joke about rape" so in retaliation he joked about rape. While it wasn't clever or funny, it's plainly obvious that was all that was meant by it. If she had said "don't joke about abortions" he would have made a joke about abortions.
 
2012-07-13 05:30:10 PM

save russian jews: god this whole comments section makes me feel ashamed to have ever been part of this community.


Why? Just what is so awful in this thread?

Most people seem to be having a discussion.

You seem to be having a participation free, judgment-fest.
 
2012-07-13 05:31:12 PM
We get it, rape can never be funny. Unless it involves prison, or a small dick, or sports, or Dane Cook. Who wouldn't want to see Dane Cook forcibly spit roasted? Try being edgy now, douche. At least he might finally get the taste of failure out of his mouth after a tonsil washing.
 
2012-07-13 05:34:03 PM
She got raped on white people's day
 
2012-07-13 05:35:52 PM

save russian jews: god this whole comments section makes me feel ashamed to have ever been part of this community.


I feel the same way. I had no idea so many farkers were so thin skinned.
 
2012-07-13 05:37:21 PM
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FREE DONUTS!
 
2012-07-13 05:40:01 PM
The only thing I know about Tosh is his show on CC that I watched two or three of, that seemed primarily consisting of him ripping off trendy YouTube videos. It seems like a "What's funny on the internet" TV show for people not on the internet.
 
2012-07-13 05:40:03 PM

salvador.hardin: IlGreven: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.

It all depends on the exaggeration. Exaggerating rape as punishment, as done here, is bad. Exaggerating the circumstances of rape, as in George Carlin's example joke of a guy raping an 81 year old woman while robbing her place, is better, but not entirely good, either.

Why do you think he was exaggerating rape as punishment?


Does it matter? Carlin didn't need rape to tell off hecklers. Sure, he needed homophobia, killing children, and, worst of all, your momma jokes, but he didn't need rape.
 
2012-07-13 05:40:48 PM
If Tosh had just answered her with "Come on, admit it - if I got raped right now you'd probably chuckle. Especially if I got raped by a mime," she would have laughed and everybody would have gone on with their lives.
 
2012-07-13 05:45:11 PM

IlGreven: salvador.hardin: IlGreven: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.

It all depends on the exaggeration. Exaggerating rape as punishment, as done here, is bad. Exaggerating the circumstances of rape, as in George Carlin's example joke of a guy raping an 81 year old woman while robbing her place, is better, but not entirely good, either.

Why do you think he was exaggerating rape as punishment?

Does it matter? Carlin didn't need rape to tell off hecklers. Sure, he needed homophobia, killing children, and, worst of all, your momma jokes, but he didn't need rape.


That was beautiful. Heavens forfend save russian jews clicks on that. It did involve rape though....
 
2012-07-13 05:45:18 PM
Tosh is not a misogynist. That implies he hates women exclusively. His material spreads the hate out to all genders and races... meaning he's a COMEDIAN.

Wipe your bitter tears, persecution-complex feminists.
 
2012-07-13 05:49:36 PM
it seems like everyone involved in this situation is just awful.

/at least tosh is good for a laugh every now and then. I'm sure the heckler is just a bowlful of fun to be around...
 
2012-07-13 05:50:22 PM

save russian jews: god this whole comments section makes me feel ashamed to have ever been part of this community.


farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-13 05:51:20 PM
A month or so ago Comedy Central announced they greenlit Anthony Jeselnik's show.

Last time i saw him he started the show with a rape joke, then alerted the audience that two more were coming in about 15 minutes.
 
2012-07-13 05:53:22 PM
Rape isnt funny, but rape rape is comedy gold
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2012-07-13 05:53:31 PM

Lsherm: patrick767: Lsherm
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

Wrong. It's about heckling, which the woman shouldn't have done, and Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done. He's an asshole. Other assholes are springing to his defense. That's hardly surprising.

People who defend hecklers are assholes.


Exactly. The comedian is just up there trying to do a job, entertaining you assholes. It's bad enough he has to compete with whatever iGadget you have tied to your hands. The man is working for a paycheck. It's either comedy or blow-jobs in the parking lot of a 7-11, except most people don't get paid for their hobbies, so the logical choice tends to be comedy.
 
2012-07-13 05:56:59 PM

Kevthecatslayer: A month or so ago Comedy Central announced they greenlit Anthony Jeselnik's show.

Last time i saw him he started the show with a rape joke, then alerted the audience that two more were coming in about 15 minutes.


That guy is damn funny. Goofy as hell looking, which really helps his schtick.

/Reminds of Rick Astley, looks wise
 
2012-07-13 05:57:03 PM

patrick767: Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done


Agreed. No one should be encouraged to rape a heckler, what if she got pregnant and spawned more hecklers? At least he should've said to use protection.
 
2012-07-13 05:58:28 PM
I for one admire the fact that Tosh finally managed to say something noteworthy that wasn't created by his team of 19 redditor writing staff.

But Dave Chapelle killed it with rape jokes.
 
2012-07-13 06:00:58 PM

IlGreven: salvador.hardin: IlGreven: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.

It all depends on the exaggeration. Exaggerating rape as punishment, as done here, is bad. Exaggerating the circumstances of rape, as in George Carlin's example joke of a guy raping an 81 year old woman while robbing her place, is better, but not entirely good, either.

Why do you think he was exaggerating rape as punishment?

Does it matter? Carlin didn't need rape to tell off hecklers. Sure, he needed homophobia, killing children, and, worst of all, your momma jokes, but he didn't need rape.


I've bolded the part where you seemed to indicate that this was an important distinction.
 
2012-07-13 06:01:19 PM
I hate rape jokes. Come on now comedians, I don't make fun of what you do for a living.
 
2012-07-13 06:02:12 PM

scottydoesntknow: Kevthecatslayer: A month or so ago Comedy Central announced they greenlit Anthony Jeselnik's show.

Last time i saw him he started the show with a rape joke, then alerted the audience that two more were coming in about 15 minutes.

That guy is damn funny. Goofy as hell looking, which really helps his schtick.

/Reminds of Rick Astley, looks wise


The joke on his album about standards and practices response to that Asian joke was hilarious and very applicable to this whole Tosh situation.

As he said, "People that get offended at jokes are farking stupid."
 
2012-07-13 06:02:27 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Lsherm: patrick767: Lsherm
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

Wrong. It's about heckling, which the woman shouldn't have done, and Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done. He's an asshole. Other assholes are springing to his defense. That's hardly surprising.

People who defend hecklers are assholes.

Exactly. The comedian is just up there trying to do a job, entertaining you assholes. It's bad enough he has to compete with whatever iGadget you have tied to your hands. The man is working for a paycheck. It's either comedy or blow-jobs in the parking lot of a 7-11, except most people don't get paid for their hobbies, so the logical choice tends to be comedy.


Is it weird I read your response in Tosh's voice? The "It's either comedy or blow-jobs in the parking lot of a 7-11" line really brought it home
 
2012-07-13 06:05:17 PM

SpoilerAlert: patrick767: Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done

Agreed. No one should be encouraged to rape a heckler, what if she got pregnant and spawned more hecklers? At least he should've said to use protection.


Patrick767, are you saying that if Tosh had come back with a retort you found funny, his response would have been okay?
 
2012-07-13 06:09:25 PM
You just know that Tosh is thanking Christ right now that he didn't say it would be funny if she was raped to sleep by the dickwolves.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:33 PM
I farking HATE Tosh and I cant believe I have to defend him. As has been stated already, the material is irrelevant. YOU decided you wanted to interrupt the show so YOU get to face the consequences.

I don't think the story would piss me off that bad if half my facebook friends were posting articles from no talent hack comics who have decided to "speak out" on Daniel Tosh and how he does not fit in to their brand of comedy and is wrong because they don't think its funny and blah blah blah for about 20 paragraphs. And since I live in austin, the post is followed by a bunch of self-righteous idiots screaming about how offensive Tosh is and how much they agree with said hack.


Time to go prune my facebook again.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:56 PM

Kevthecatslayer: A month or so ago Comedy Central announced they greenlit Anthony Jeselnik's show.

Last time i saw him he started the show with a rape joke, then alerted the audience that two more were coming in about 15 minutes.


www.serialoptimist.com
Oh hell yeah! That guy was in frat, you can tell b/c he's pretty cool.
 
2012-07-13 06:17:11 PM

Kevthecatslayer: A month or so ago Comedy Central announced they greenlit Anthony Jeselnik's show.

Last time i saw him he started the show with a rape joke, then alerted the audience that two more were coming in about 15 minutes.


Wait till the people getting upset about this hear his material. He's one of my favorite comics but his material is definitely not safe for everyone. He's a comic's comic.

His deadpan delivery with a simple setup followed by a way on the other side joke is awesome. His joke on chocolate addiction pretty much sums up his style of humor.
 
2012-07-13 06:17:29 PM

Demetrius: Cyndi Lauper is a comedian??


Under the criteria of "funnier than Daniel Tosh," then yes she is. Of course, so is your mother, my mother, Barbara Bush, that lady who sells doughnuts down on the corner, the wannabe comic who runs my train and pretty much everything above a single-cell organism and Carlos Mencia.
 
2012-07-13 06:22:39 PM

AiryAnne: Here's a list of every funny female comic:


Cathleen Madigan and Chelsea Peretti are pretty great.
 
2012-07-13 06:31:00 PM
Yeah his comeback wasn't too funny. But I understand. In the heat of the moment sometimes you can't come up with the best quip.
 
2012-07-13 06:51:26 PM

kronicfeld: It's always offensive and off-limits when it's YOUR sacred cow. I'm sure she laughed like all the rest at jokes involving race, gender, sexual orientation, ugly people, dumb models, Jews, Catholics, dead people, victims of other crimes, cancer, etc.


this should probably be stickied at the top of every thread involving this topic
 
2012-07-13 06:54:05 PM

Foxxinnia: Yeah his comeback wasn't too funny. But I understand. In the heat of the moment sometimes you can't come up with the best quip.


Only because she didn't get raped. That would've tied it all together.

/Louis CK can say he wants to fist Sarah Palin while crapping in her mouth but Tosh can't tell an upright, yoga pants wearing, iPhone worshiping twat to get raped?
//Anyone critical of Tosh for using the premise of rape doesn't deserve or understand comedy
 
2012-07-13 06:56:06 PM

Uncle Pooky: I'm not really sure Louis CK defended Tosh, unless there's more to it than that "your show is funny" tweet.


Louis CK had something to say about rape in his show.
 
2012-07-13 06:58:11 PM
I went to a Chris Rock show and he used the "N" word. Still waiting for that apology.
 
2012-07-13 07:01:16 PM

alwaysjaded: Anthony Jeselnik


I wasn't familiar with the guy before this thread, so I have to thank you Farkers for mentioning him.

As someone who loathes Dane Cook, I found this bit hilarious.
 
2012-07-13 07:12:14 PM

gas giant: alwaysjaded: Anthony Jeselnik

I wasn't familiar with the guy before this thread, so I have to thank you Farkers for mentioning him.

As someone who loathes Dane Cook, I found this bit hilarious.


That was one of the best Dane Cook impressions I've ever seen.
 
2012-07-13 07:14:15 PM
Alrighty, I'm genuinely curious: what makes Tosh worth defending and Michael Richards not? Both are massive douches, both made stunningly offensive comments to hecklers, but one got put through the wringer and lost what little career he had left and the other has an army of fans and colleagues defending him. I'm not saying Richards didn't deserve what he got, but it seems the situations are very similar with very different reactions.

/Personally, I think they both suck, but that's just me.
 
2012-07-13 07:14:52 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.


you are on my favorites list for a reason. this comment is not it.

I drive around all day listening to the satellite comedy channels and tosh is easily in the upper 20 percentile. his style is not a copy of anyone's(of who i am aware at least), and you can tell by hearing the same joke in different recordings that he works and works on material to get it just perfect for that style. he basically grinds a joke down untill there is just one person left laughing. its way better than the mencia "hey remember this thing that mexicans do!?" or the cook "hey, remember this thing that everyone 30-35 remembers?!". its not that cook or mencia are never funny, their styles just suck.

also, listen to enough stand-up and you will hear every offensive word and act. sometimes its hilarious, sometimes its not. its not that rape is funny, but sometimes someone can make it into a joke, which is funny.
 
2012-07-13 07:15:31 PM
FTFA: Which means that a huge percentage of our country thinks rape jokes are funny...because they think the act of physically hurting and sexually dominating a woman against her will is funny

Know how I know you don't understand comedy?
 
2012-07-13 07:17:38 PM
Interesting thread. Mixing the typical no-humor Tosh hating farkers with the pro-rape, anything goes farkers.

Who will win? Who will die of cognitive dissonance. Stay and find out.
 
2012-07-13 07:22:15 PM

astoreth: Alrighty, I'm genuinely curious: what makes Tosh worth defending and Michael Richards not? Both are massive douches, both made stunningly offensive comments to hecklers, but one got put through the wringer and lost what little career he had left and the other has an army of fans and colleagues defending him. I'm not saying Richards didn't deserve what he got, but it seems the situations are very similar with very different reactions.

/Personally, I think they both suck, but that's just me.


Richards lost his shiat and went on a long combative tirade that was caught on video. Tosh made a quick quip that was well recieved by the audience that heard it in context and then continued with his performance. Also Tosh is at the height of his career and has plenty of credibility with fans and other comedians. Richards was at the end of a long descent and had pissed off plenty of people with unhinged poor treatment of others.

Mainly its the video. Though in this case I suspect the video would be helpul to Tosh.
 
2012-07-13 07:26:15 PM
This was linked by Doug Stanhope for the three rape jokes in the intro. I lol'd hard. VERY NSFW language.
 
2012-07-13 07:26:27 PM
I've been meaning to attempt to gauge the outrage over the Tosh story compared to the Sandusky trial and conviction over Tumblr. See how many people are more outraged at a rape joke over actual rape. It'll be fun! *pull out bottle of rum* ...pray for me.
 
2012-07-13 07:31:58 PM
As a female, I personally don't care about the joke; mainly, because as a Jewish female, I've heard way worse.

Now was it funny? Not really. Was I offended? Nope.
 
2012-07-13 07:31:59 PM
FTFA:
The woman, who recounted the unnerving experience on her blog, immediately left the show frightened

Wrong and wrong.

a) She told her FRIEND about it, and the friend blogged. Making this a second-hand story that has been denied by those present.

b) The original blog posting states quite clearly that the offended party stayed to the end of the show - she did NOT leave the show frightened.

So to you, Piper Weiss of Shine - you're a farking liar. Go fark yourself, you lying bint. And you're farking fat.

/I hate Daniel Tosh
//I hate bald-faced lying sexist reactionary hooers more
 
2012-07-13 07:33:24 PM

sprawl15: This was linked by Doug Stanhope for the three rape jokes in the intro. I lol'd hard. VERY NSFW language.


That was hilarious. His next bit about Frogger was great too.

"My brother used to be awesome at Frogger. Which is ironic, because last week he got hit by a car. It's not really the same thing...you don't actually use a joystick to move around...well, he does now."
 
2012-07-13 07:45:04 PM
On first look, while there are some good Tumblr posts about the Freeh Report and Sandusky and Penn State, they were mostly falling on deaf ears. Most serious posts had a few likes but never into double digit amounts of notes. However the JOKES about it, namely the MAD fake movie poster of "Ped" were very prevalent and dominated the tag. ...hmm...
 
2012-07-13 07:49:33 PM

KidSock2004: I've been meaning to attempt to gauge the outrage over the Tosh story compared to the Sandusky trial and conviction over Tumblr. See how many people are more outraged at a rape joke over actual rape. It'll be fun! *pull out bottle of rum* ...pray for me.


Could that be because he was convicted on all counts he was charged with (minus the couple that were thrown out). Why would there be outrage over that?
 
2012-07-13 07:51:44 PM

scottydoesntknow: KidSock2004: I've been meaning to attempt to gauge the outrage over the Tosh story compared to the Sandusky trial and conviction over Tumblr. See how many people are more outraged at a rape joke over actual rape. It'll be fun! *pull out bottle of rum* ...pray for me.

Could that be because he was convicted on all counts he was charged with (minus the couple that were thrown out). Why would there be outrage over that?


There's still outrage at the board and the release of the Freeh Report makes it still a relevant topic. Granted, yes, not as relevant as it was upon initial news, but there are still rampant amounts of coverup by officials that are still (1) alive and (2) unpunished
 
2012-07-13 08:04:01 PM
The police told me my wife was violated. I said, "Knowing my wife, it wasn't a moving violation."
~ Woody Allan
 
2012-07-13 08:06:27 PM

salvador.hardin: That's so much more offensive than what he said. He said wouldn't it be ironic if this girl got gang raped right now. The humor comes from the fact that the situation he is describing would never happen, and it would be a big fark you from the universe if something so hurtful and impossible happened right then.


Uh-huh. And if you did not think he was joking and in fact serious, then how do you think you would be interpreted?

You go into a bar you've heard good things about but never been to, and you're bringing a girl along. Everything is going fine, when some big guy stars making jokes about guys being raped. Disgusting, graphic jokes. Before you can get out of there the girl with you says "That's not funny".

There is dead silence. Then the big guy turns to you and says "You know what would be ironic? If five of the guys here raped your boyfriend right now".

Wouldn't that be hysterical?
 
2012-07-13 08:08:38 PM
What was the full context of that joke. What was the material she interrupted and what was it she said to heckle him. Depending on the context his remarks could be anything from confusing non-sequitor to absolutely hilarious but I won't know until I know the full context in which they were delivered.
 
2012-07-13 08:16:50 PM

gas giant: alwaysjaded: Anthony Jeselnik

I wasn't familiar with the guy before this thread, so I have to thank you Farkers for mentioning him.

As someone who loathes Dane Cook, I found this bit hilarious.


lol. That was pretty spot on and I've never seen that so thanks. I love stand-up and he's been on the radar for some time. Glad to see he's finally getting some recognition. If you have Amazon Prime, look for Comedy Central Presents and look for Jeselnik's special. He might have an hour long special but I guess you would have to look for a torrent of that.
 
2012-07-13 08:17:55 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Uh-huh. And if you did not think he was joking and in fact serious, then how do you think you would be interpreted?

You go into a bar you've heard good things about but never been to, and you're bringing a girl along. Everything is going fine, when some big guy stars making jokes about guys being raped. Disgusting, graphic jokes. Before you can get out of there the girl with you says "That's not funny".

There is dead silence. Then the big guy turns to you and says "You know what would be ironic? If five of the guys here raped your boyfriend right now".

Wouldn't that be hysterical?



Actually, you just made me laugh with that.

/sorry
 
2012-07-13 08:18:26 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Wouldn't that be hysterical?


It's funny that you thought that was an analogous situation, does that count?
 
2012-07-13 08:20:10 PM

fuhfuhfuh: We get it, rape can never be funny. Unless it involves prison, or a small dick, or sports, or Dane Cook. Who wouldn't want to see Dane Cook forcibly spit roasted? Try being edgy now, douche. At least he might finally get the taste of failure out of his mouth after a tonsil washing.


Or you know, Ashton Kutcher.

Reference: Bruce Campbell, when asked who he'd like to see in an Evil Dead remake, he suggested Ashton Kutcher. Why? Because, said he to the audience, wouldn't you like to see him being raped by a tree?

Oh, golly, Bruce Campbell, hero of Fark, made a rape joke. Excuse me while I clutch my pearls and suddenly develop the vapors!

My opinion in the matter though:

1. Rape jokes can be funny.
2. You don't go to a comedy club, heckle the comic or say anything isn't funny at all and not expect to be taken down, Thor's Hammer-style, for it.
3. Comics insulting people is hardly new. So as I hear Groucho Marx used to call up people in the middle of the night just to insult them. And have you seen the old-style Friar's Club roasts? I mean really, some of the best comics are the most brutal.
4. All that said, what Tosh said wasn't funny. It was over the line. He didn't have to go there. Maybe that's the sort of thing he says to his friends (he claims that he's pretty tame compared to other people he knows), but sometimes you just gotta leave it between friends. (I've heard - I think - Marc Maron even reason with an audience member saying "I could call you the c-word, but that never ends well")

(From Patton Oswalt on Twitter: "The Laugh Factory's been forced to change its name to The Your Feelings Factory.")
 
2012-07-13 08:20:25 PM

alwaysjaded: lol. That was pretty spot on and I've never seen that so thanks. I love stand-up and he's been on the radar for some time. Glad to see he's finally getting some recognition. If you have Amazon Prime, look for Comedy Central Presents and look for Jeselnik's special. He might have an hour long special but I guess you would have to look for a torrent of that


If you like him, you should check out Kyle Kinane as well. That guy is great.
 
2012-07-13 08:23:42 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Then the big guy turns to you and says "You know what would be ironic? If five of the guys here raped your boyfriend right now"


Also the only answer to this question is that it would be as bad as being spooned by ten thousand men, when all you needed was a knife.
 
2012-07-13 08:24:21 PM

Ghastly: What was the full context of that joke. What was the material she interrupted and what was it she said to heckle him. Depending on the context his remarks could be anything from confusing non-sequitor to absolutely hilarious but I won't know until I know the full context in which they were delivered.


THIS
 
2012-07-13 08:29:29 PM

Lumbar Puncture:

If you like him, you should check out Kyle Kinane as well. That guy is great.


Made a note of it and thank you. I got Prime recently so I'm going through all the Comedy Central Presents right now. It's about 50/50. Some good ones and some really horrible ones.

Most of the horrible ones are 30 minutes of some variation of "What's the deal with airline food?" GAG!
 
2012-07-13 08:32:00 PM
The lesson: Don't heckle. Most standups on Tosh's level have been doing this for years and have dealt with drunken idiots on a regular basis. Wit, wordplay, sarcasm, and obscenity are how they make their living. You're not going to put a sick burn on them, and more often than not, they're going to make you look like a complete farking idiot.
 
2012-07-13 08:40:12 PM

alwaysjaded: Most of the horrible ones are 30 minutes of some variation of "What's the deal with airline food?" GAG!


I'd recommend Amy Schumer (stylistically similar to Jeselnik possibly because they dated), Patton Oswalt, Louis CK, Marc Maron, Aziz Asari (who is ok), Hannibal Burress, Jim Gaffigan, Brian Regan, and Joe Rogan.
 
2012-07-13 08:43:25 PM
I'm offended that anyone would go see a performance artist without knowing who he or she was, then have the audacity to tell them they're not meeting your own personal standards of art.

Also, comedians are there to control the audience. If you try and take that control away, don't be surprised if they do whatever it takes to get it back.
 
2012-07-13 08:45:27 PM

astoreth: Alrighty, I'm genuinely curious: what makes Tosh worth defending and Michael Richards not? Both are massive douches, both made stunningly offensive comments to hecklers, but one got put through the wringer and lost what little career he had left and the other has an army of fans and colleagues defending him. I'm not saying Richards didn't deserve what he got, but it seems the situations are very similar with very different reactions.


i think that what richards did was more out of context. like Tosh is telling a joke about rape, someone gets up and says "rape isn't funny" and he responds "well if you got raped it would be funny!" It might be incredibly mean, and worth discussing if its appropriate, but at least its (shall we say) "on topic."

if he were doing a rape joke and someone gets up and says "rape isn't funny" and he responds "well you're a " and then just kept on it for 5 minutes, then its way off topic. it becomes more than just a response to a heckler and goes into the strange personal attacks territory.
 
2012-07-13 08:49:33 PM

NutznGum: FormlessOne: NutznGum: Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.

I'll raise you Dane Cook.

Daniel Tosh is right at the bottom, dueling Dane Cook for second-to-last place, just under Michael Richards. Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness is always going to be at the bottom of the list, because that exploitative, thieving, lying bastard would have to be deposed by another exploitative, lying, thieving bastard who did something on top of all that.

I'd like to beat them all to death with the corpse of Jeff Dunham.


... on a stick.
 
2012-07-13 08:58:21 PM

Ghastly: What was the full context of that joke. What was the material she interrupted and what was it she said to heckle him. Depending on the context his remarks could be anything from confusing non-sequitor to absolutely hilarious but I won't know until I know the full context in which they were delivered.


Depends heavily on who you ask. It runs the spectrum from Tosh saying it would be ironically funny if she was raped - because she interrupted a bit about how certain subjects like rape could be funny - to Tosh saying that rape is funny and when she said it wasn't he said he hoped she was raped.

tlchwi02: i think that what richards did was more out of context.


Eh, not even that. It was more that it simply wasn't funny - it was just anger at the guy being black. Bill Hicks' HITLER HAD THE RIGHT IDEA rant had some stunningly sexist stuff in there, but it was entirely focused on offense at the heckling, rather than offense at the heckler being a woman.
 
2012-07-13 08:59:32 PM
Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?
 
2012-07-13 09:06:36 PM

stoli n coke: The lesson: Don't heckle. Most standups on Tosh's level have been doing this for years and have dealt with drunken idiots on a regular basis. Wit, wordplay, sarcasm, and obscenity are how they make their living. You're not going to put a sick burn on them, and more often than not, they're going to make you look like a complete farking idiot.


I've seen Chris Hardwick dissect a heckler. It was beautiful.
 
2012-07-13 09:08:51 PM

Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?


He's the Charles Barkley to Patton's Jordan IMO
 
2012-07-13 09:11:24 PM
You said rape twice.
 
2012-07-13 09:12:14 PM

Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?


I'd say he's definitely up there. I gotta say, though, that if you've got a "that's not funny" heckler, this is how it's done.
 
2012-07-13 09:14:28 PM

Lumbar Puncture:

I'd recommend Amy Schumer (stylistically similar to Jeselnik possibly because they dated), Patton Oswalt, Louis CK, Marc Maron, Aziz Asari (who is ok), Hannibal Burress, Jim Gaffigan, Brian Regan, and Joe Rogan.


Yea, I like all those except Asari. I also like Owen Benjamen, Jon Reep, Mike Birbiglia, Big Jay Oakerson, Donald Glover, Gabriel Iglesias, Pablo Francisco, Al Madrigal and Jon LaJoie. I'm sure I'm forgetting some names that aren't big timers. I wish I could remember who did the joke about Nazi ice cream. I want to say Metzegar but I would have to look it up. Oh, and whoever it was that did the joke about having a pet owl. I really need to look them up.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:10 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: salvador.hardin: That's so much more offensive than what he said. He said wouldn't it be ironic if this girl got gang raped right now. The humor comes from the fact that the situation he is describing would never happen, and it would be a big fark you from the universe if something so hurtful and impossible happened right then.

Uh-huh. And if you did not think he was joking and in fact serious, then how do you think you would be interpreted?

You go into a bar you've heard good things about but never been to, and you're bringing a girl along. Everything is going fine, when some big guy stars making jokes about guys being raped. Disgusting, graphic jokes. Before you can get out of there the girl with you says "That's not funny".

There is dead silence. Then the big guy turns to you and says "You know what would be ironic? If five of the guys here raped your boyfriend right now".

Wouldn't that be hysterical?


I see that you're trying to emphasize the sinister side of the comment, but your analogy just doesn't hold up. The guy in your bar isn't a celebrity I've heard of who is sitting on a stage doing his job of telling jokes which I paid for on my way in. My girlfriend in your scenario isn't standing up in the middle of someone's performance and telling them how to do their job. The core fact is the same in both cases, it is clear that no one is going to get raped. Knowing Tosh's style and physicality, I'm almost completely certain that this "concern" is completely disingenuous. If she really thought the situation was dangerous why didn't she leave. The girl was embarrassed because he finished his set and everyone else in the room kept laughing. She wrote this tumblr to get back at the guy that shut her down.

Now since you did the bad analogy thing I'm going to do the thing where I ask myself questions and answer them.

Was she supposed to feel uncomfortable? Absolutely, that's what you do to a heckler. Look up the videos, its vile stuff.
Was she apprehensive of being raped in the club? Aside from saying that she was, everything in her story suggests she wasn't.

Was what Tosh said near the line? See above

Was what Tosh said over the line?

I just don't understand how anyone thinks they can say that he is over the line from the text of the statement as relayed by the girl who claims she was offended. The people who say that it is over the line seem to, for the most part, have a problem with using the word rape in any situation that isn't direly serious (again I have to question if they didn't laugh at the Antoine Dodson video or prison jokes or what have you). People want to read it like he's staring her in the face and eye-banging her while he said it. But the statement is to the audience, and knowing his style I just don't see this coming across as any kind of threat. Since the line of propriety migrates a significant degree when you're talking about a comedian in a positively ancient comedy club dealing with a heckler, I personally don't see how it could be over the line, but I frankly don't know because I wasn't there. The only accounts of others in the audience I have heard is that the exchange and the act in total were well received by the audience. Audiences tend to turn on comedians when they go to far. On Maron's show its a very common story for comedians to share their worst "audience turned on me when I went to far with a heckler" story.
 
2012-07-13 09:25:14 PM

GypsyJoker: ... oh. Not Kerri Green.

Thread needs Kerri Green.

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Gosh she's cute as a colostomy bag
 
2012-07-13 09:29:11 PM

LindyJohn: The thing I like about Tosh is that he says things that are outrageous, beyond the pale, and make you uncomfortable. This sort of remark sounds just like him.

Why would you go to one of his shows, heckle him, and then NOT expect something like this to come back at you. Did the heckling woman really think she was going to publicly shame Tosh into tasteful sensitivity?


Wow, that sounds really unique. You probably think south park is hilarious.
 
2012-07-13 09:33:08 PM

tlchwi02: astoreth: Alrighty, I'm genuinely curious: what makes Tosh worth defending and Michael Richards not? Both are massive douches, both made stunningly offensive comments to hecklers, but one got put through the wringer and lost what little career he had left and the other has an army of fans and colleagues defending him. I'm not saying Richards didn't deserve what he got, but it seems the situations are very similar with very different reactions.

i think that what richards did was more out of context. like Tosh is telling a joke about rape, someone gets up and says "rape isn't funny" and he responds "well if you got raped it would be funny!" It might be incredibly mean, and worth discussing if its appropriate, but at least its (shall we say) "on topic."

if he were doing a rape joke and someone gets up and says "rape isn't funny" and he responds "well you're a " and then just kept on it for 5 minutes, then its way off topic. it becomes more than just a response to a heckler and goes into the strange personal attacks territory.


That makes sense.

salvador.hardin: But the statement is to the audience, and knowing his style I just don't see this coming across as any kind of threat. Since the line of propriety migrates a significant degree when you're talking about a comedian in a positively ancient comedy club dealing with a heckler, I personally don't see how it could be over the line, but I frankly don't know because I wasn't there. The only accounts of others in the audience I have heard is that the exchange and the act in total were well received by the audience.


This...not so much. If Richards had been performing to a crowd full of racists who hooted and hollered in approval, would that have made it okay? Like so?
 
2012-07-13 09:47:29 PM

astoreth:

salvador.hardin: But the statement is to the audience, and knowing his style I just don't see this coming across as any kind of threat. Since the line of propriety migrates a significant degree when you're talking about a comedian in a positively ancient comedy club dealing with a heckler, I personally don't see how it could be over the line, but I frankly don't know because I wasn't there. The only accounts of others in the audience I have heard is that the exchange and the act in total were well received by the audience.

This...not so much. If Richards had been performing to a crowd full of racists who hooted and hollered in approval, would that have made it okay? Like so?


Richards got booed and ridiculed by the audience for going to far with the heckler. You can't reverse the relevance of that exact incident in proving my precise point by imagining something different happened. And the clip has nothing to do with a heckler. I mean I see the general gist of what you're going for here, audiences can be full of bad people and they can be led down a bad path. But there's not a jew there that he's talking to or responding to. There's not a person that he's tearing down or yelling at. I just don't think its the same thing.

In any case, the reaction of the audience is at least as reliable as the account of the agreived party, and neither are very helpful in judging the situation.
 
2012-07-13 10:24:38 PM

CastorTroy: If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.


She had a joke in her routine that she likes to go jogging naked, so that potential rapists will think she's already being raped.
 
2012-07-13 10:34:45 PM
If you think rape can never be funny, you're wrong. If you think all rape jokes are funny, you're wrong. Not everything that's funny is offensive to someone, and not everything that offends someone is funny. In general, too many unfunny people think being extremely offensive is some kind of shortcut to being funny. It isn't. On the other hand, if you're trying to be funny yet never offend anyone, that's not gonna work either. Simply put, if you think your offensiveness or lack thereof has any bearing on how funny you are, you probably aren't all that funny in the first place.

The Wheaton rule works here: "Don't be a dick." Well, at the very least, don't be too much of a dick. Hecklers suck, but I don't think anyone would be ok with it if the heckler was a black guy and Tosh said "wouldn't it be funny if five KKK guys came in right now and just lynched him", even if it was in context to previous jokes. If you get heckled, you go after the person, not their race, not their gender, not their orientation.

As for offensive jokes in general, there are groups that are already being shat upon by society in various ways, and if you're just adding to that pile of shiat, you aren't some brave defender of the first amendment speaking uncomfortable truths, you're just a cowardly dick that likes to kick people already down. There's enough screwed up stuff in the world to mock that you don't have to be some stereotype of "edgy."

There's not really a clear story about what happened, but I think the way Tosh apologized before it really even became viral indicates that he thinks he might have stepped over the line. Still, it's not worth the extreme repsonses everyone jumped to. But then, this is the internet, we don't do moderation.

And since everything I just wrote was boring and unfunny, I'll leave this here: Daniel Tosh Chuckles Through Own Violent Rape.
 
2012-07-13 10:43:09 PM

uknesvuinng: There's not really a clear story about what happened, but I think the way Tosh apologized before it really even became viral indicates that he

works for Comedy Central / Viacom and he his afraid of his corporate Masters pulling his plug.

Regarding how one handles hecklers, here is Joan Rivers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAD-ky3TYQk and here is George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGTr9LXxXvQ , both links posted in this thread

If you want to tell us how you handle hecklers when you're on stage, please do.
 
2012-07-13 10:48:19 PM

uknesvuinng: And since everything I just wrote was boring and unfunny, I'll leave this here: Daniel Tosh Chuckles Through Own Violent Rape.


Normally I like the satire The Onion provides, but the article in the link seemed a little bit forced...
 
2012-07-13 10:54:34 PM

fuhfuhfuh: uknesvuinng: And since everything I just wrote was boring and unfunny, I'll leave this here: Daniel Tosh Chuckles Through Own Violent Rape.

Normally I like the satire The Onion provides, but the article in the link seemed a little bit forced...


Go to this FARK thread Link

I feel the Onion is way off base on this because they've made plenty of rape jokes over the years, and been called on it repeatedly. It seems very strange they would now somehow make fun of Tosh for doing that.

i.imgur.com

One of many.
 
2012-07-13 11:14:28 PM

Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?


You misspelled Ralphie May.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:00 PM

FuManchu7: Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?

You misspelled Ralphie May.

John Pinette

/FTFY
 
2012-07-13 11:25:14 PM

fuhfuhfuh: FuManchu7: Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?

You misspelled Ralphie May.John Pinette

/FTFY


Somewhat similar type of comedy, but I think May is more current. I haven't seen Pinette do anything in a while.

/Just looked up Pinette's tour schedule, seems he sticks to the NE/Canada area
 
2012-07-13 11:28:50 PM

FuManchu7: /Just looked up Pinette's tour schedule, seems he sticks to the NE/Canada area


Pity. We need more buffet jokes over here on the west coast. Would really help balance out the rape.
 
2012-07-13 11:39:00 PM
Comedians are allowed and encouraged to joke about racism, sexism, 9/11, AIDS, cancer, balding, STDs, scoliosis, asthma, murder, serial killers, suicide, sex, taxes, death, funerals, depression, mental disorder, sodamy, child porn, child rape, incest, weirdos, transgenders, leperacy, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and rape. IT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF COMEDY. SHIATY STUFF HAPPENS TO PEOPLE, I'M SORRY. That's it. Don't see comedy if you need to see a psychiatrist
 
2012-07-13 11:48:37 PM

RoyBatty: uknesvuinng: There's not really a clear story about what happened, but I think the way Tosh apologized before it really even became viral indicates that he works for Comedy Central / Viacom and he his afraid of his corporate Masters pulling his plug.


Yeah, that's a possibility I won't outright discount, but I've never seen corporate PR react that quickly to a situation. It hadn't blown up into a big deal (at least as far as I could tell) by the time Tosh apologized. This isn't even something that will seriously affect their bottom line even now. Maybe someone saw it early and decided to make him apologize early, but that doesn't seem likely to me. If it had gone on a day or two, I'd entirely agree it was Viacom behind it. But apologizing before it became big and linking it in a medium that probably adding way more audience than it had already isn't standard for a corporate-forced apology.

Regarding how one handles hecklers, here is Joan Rivers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAD-ky3TYQk and here is George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGTr9LXxXvQ , both links posted in this thread

If you want to tell us how you handle hecklers when you're on stage, please do.


Other better responses have already been posted, so I'm just gonna be lazy and quote one.

Dr.Zom: If Tosh had just answered her with "Come on, admit it - if I got raped right now you'd probably chuckle. Especially if I got raped by a mime," she would have laughed and everybody would have gone on with their lives.


Were those links supposed to support the idea that saying a woman should get gang raped is acceptable? Because they don't. They made my point. Go after the person, not the demographic. Granted, they were also both dealing with male hecklers, so it's not really a good comparison. You can say a man should get raped all you want. There's no issue of a cultural bias regarding men in general getting raped with impunity.

RoyBatty: fuhfuhfuh: uknesvuinng: And since everything I just wrote was boring and unfunny, I'll leave this here: Daniel Tosh Chuckles Through Own Violent Rape.

Normally I like the satire The Onion provides, but the article in the link seemed a little bit forced...

Go to this FARK thread Link

I feel the Onion is way off base on this because they've made plenty of rape jokes over the years, and been called on it repeatedly. It seems very strange they would now somehow make fun of Tosh for doing that.

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One of many.


You seem to be of the attitude that saying one rape joke is bad means all rape jokes are bad. Not all rape jokes are equal. I looked at several of those articles/videos and none of them were piling on rape victims or women. Not even the Harry Potter date rape video that you seem to think is just like saying a woman should be gang raped. Maybe I missed some though. Link me an Onion article that uses rape in the context of saying a woman or women deserve it.
 
2012-07-13 11:49:26 PM
Follow me @Snout_Johnson on twitter. I go on rants like this all the time. Also, I drink a lot
 
2012-07-13 11:56:47 PM

uknesvuinng: Other better responses have already been posted, so I'm just gonna be lazy and quote one.Dr.Zom: If Tosh had just answered her with "Come on, admit it - if I got raped right now you'd probably chuckle. Especially if I got raped by a mime," she would have laughed and everybody would have gone on with their lives.Were those links supposed to support the idea that saying a woman should get gang raped is acceptable? Because they don't. They made my point. Go after the person, not the demographic. Granted, they were also both dealing with male hecklers, so it's not really a good comparison. You can say a man should get raped all you want. There's no issue of a cultural bias regarding men in general getting raped with impunity.


This argument like so many is of the form, it would have been okay if it had been funnier and less offensive.

This both posits you as the judge of rape jokes, as well as the judge of funny, and the judge of offense. It also doesn't acknowledge the context of the comedian, that of having to control the heckler and win back the audience.

A joke is probably of poor taste or not. Rape jokes are acceptable or not. Funny less offensive rape jokes are not more acceptable than jokes you believe are not funny or more offensive.

You are not the judge of how a comic's joke is funny, or how a comic should handle a heckler, until, as I asked, you can tell us how you handle hecklers when you are on stage.
 
2012-07-14 12:04:09 AM

uknesvuinng: Not even the Harry Potter date rape video that you seem to think is just like saying a woman should be gang raped. Maybe I missed some though. Link me an Onion article that uses rape in the context of saying a woman or women deserve it.


First, as I'm sure you're aware, Tosh doesn't say the woman deserves it, he says, wouldn't it be funny if.

Then watch that Onion video again, it consists of a series of short quotes from avid fans excitedly discussing how some girl will be raped. It's a magical roofie. It's Hagrid because he's big and giants are aggressive sexually. There's a quote from JK talking about the scene positively and not in negative terms.

Look at 1:00 into it when the Scholastic (publisher) says with an evil grin he doesn't want to spoil the big secret.

And

"it is a beautiful moment in the book"

Hey, as I'm sure you know, JK Rowling herself has already been criticized for writing positively of the gang rape of Umbridge by the Unicorns.
 
2012-07-14 12:24:38 AM

Drayen: Can't we all just agree that Louis CK is the best comic?


I really like Louis, but Bill Burr is my new favorite
 
2012-07-14 12:31:34 AM
"A bad rape joke" is a sentence with one too many words in it. It is ok to make rape jokes, good or bad, in a comedy club. It is not ok to make bad jokes in a comedy club. If you can't be certain Daniel has never been raped(men get raped too, usually when they are children), you need to STFU with all the victim concern, as it relates to jokes
 
2012-07-14 12:38:36 AM
 
2012-07-14 01:00:23 AM

RoyBatty: uknesvuinng: Other better responses have already been posted, so I'm just gonna be lazy and quote one.Dr.Zom: If Tosh had just answered her with "Come on, admit it - if I got raped right now you'd probably chuckle. Especially if I got raped by a mime," she would have laughed and everybody would have gone on with their lives.Were those links supposed to support the idea that saying a woman should get gang raped is acceptable? Because they don't. They made my point. Go after the person, not the demographic. Granted, they were also both dealing with male hecklers, so it's not really a good comparison. You can say a man should get raped all you want. There's no issue of a cultural bias regarding men in general getting raped with impunity.

This argument like so many is of the form, it would have been okay if it had been funnier and less offensive.

This both posits you as the judge of rape jokes, as well as the judge of funny, and the judge of offense. It also doesn't acknowledge the context of the comedian, that of having to control the heckler and win back the audience.

A joke is probably of poor taste or not. Rape jokes are acceptable or not. Funny less offensive rape jokes are not more acceptable than jokes you believe are not funny or more offensive.

You are not the judge of how a comic's joke is funny, or how a comic should handle a heckler, until, as I asked, you can tell us how you handle hecklers when you are on stage.


We're ALL positing ourselves as the judges of rape jokes and funny and offensiveness by having this discussion. That's part of this conversation; what does make an acceptable/funny rape joke? And that's the whole farking point. "If it had been funnier and less offensive" is exactly what would have made it acceptable. And no one would be talking about it now (unless the woman had still decided to make a big deal out of it for some reason).

The important context here is 25% of women in the US will get raped at least once. And everything in our culture says a woman better damn well have video of the event and two separate witnesses, or she won't really be taken seriously when a rape happens. She'll be accused of having implied consent by her clothing, or her demeanor, or that she was giving "mixed signals". She'll be told she shouldn't have gone to a bar if she wasn't looking for sex, or that it's her fault for getting too drunk too stop the guy, or that she's only accusing the guy of rape because she regretted the sex afterwards. Living in that environment can understandably make women pretty damn sensitive to the subject of rape in the first place. If your rape jokes are implying any of the above stuff (or some other variation of deserving it) is acceptable, you're being a dick.

And yeah, comedians have to deal with hecklers and get the audience back. No one's against that. But that doesn't mean any effort made to deal with a heckler is sacred and unassailable. You've linked examples of comedians handling hecklers well. It can and should be done without turning into a sexist asshat. Tosh could have turned the joke around on himself (what would the woman do then? Defend him against himself?) Hell, he could have accused her of being offended because she was a rapist. He had options, and he chose badly. It happens. Complaining about one (apparently) bad handling of a heckler doesn't mean comedians aren't allowed to tell rape jokes or deal with hecklers with as much cruelty as they want.

RoyBatty: uknesvuinng: Not even the Harry Potter date rape video that you seem to think is just like saying a woman should be gang raped. Maybe I missed some though. Link me an Onion article that uses rape in the context of saying a woman or women deserve it.

First, as I'm sure you're aware, Tosh doesn't say the woman deserves it, he says, wouldn't it be funny if.


Yeah, he says if, and in the context of responding to a heckler as he was, that implied she deserved it.

Then watch that Onion video again, it consists of a series of short quotes from avid fans excitedly discussing how some girl will be raped. It's a magical roofie. It's Hagrid because he's big and giants are aggressive sexually. There's a quote from JK talking about the scene positively and not in negative terms.

Look at 1:00 into it when the Scholastic (publisher) says with an evil grin he doesn't want to spoil the big secret.

And

"it is a beautiful moment in the book"

Hey, as I'm sure you know, JK Rowling herself has already been criticized for writing positively of the gang rape of Umbridge by the Unicorns.


But the Onion video wasn't supporting the idea that women being victims of rape is something to be laughed at. It's mocking fan speculation about spoilers and how writers/publishers hype up stories. Rape is the subject, but women being raped isn't the point.

The only discussion I've seen about the unicorn gang rape was in a Cracked article. I'm not an avid Harry Potter fan. I haven't read any of the books and I've only seen a couple of the movies with friends, so I can't really provide any commentary there. However, I have read the fanfiction Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. But that's not really relevant here.
 
2012-07-14 01:02:41 AM
People that say rape is never funny hasn't seen how I do it. I pull magicians scarves out of the womans ass it's a whole production.
 
2012-07-14 01:31:56 AM

Nick Spiceyweiner: advex101: Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.

Seriously.

/Someone should have raped that girl.


Maybe she was too ugly for even rapists .....
 
2012-07-14 01:37:00 AM

uknesvuinng: We're ALL positing ourselves as the judges of rape jokes and funny and offensiveness by having this discussion.


No, we're not.

What many of us are saying is that you cannot pick and choose, outside the context, in vitro, what rape jokes are acceptable and which are not based on your personal preferences and what YOU think the comic should have done.

The comic lives in vivo, judgments in vitro are bullshiat.

When you read anyone say "the comic crossed the line, what he should've written was", 99% of the time the new joke is terrible and much worse than the original and proving only why the comic is the comic and the commenter is still some yutz on the Internet.

That's part of this conversation; what does make an acceptable/funny rape joke? And that's the whole farking point. "If it had been funnier and less offensive" is exactly what would have made it acceptable.


No. That's a cop out. There's also a theme of feminists too cowardly to admit it, so they say, "heh, heh, we like rape jokes too, but funny rape jokes, and Tosh is not a good enough comic to make a funny rape joke." But that's bullshiat. That's just an in vitro license to judge yay or nay on anything she wishes without having to support it with objective evidence. I liked that one. I didn't like that one.

Well live performances and Art cannot live on your in vitro judgments. Nor have you established why your opinion matters, at all.

You've linked examples of comedians handling hecklers well.

No, I haven't. GO LISTEN TO HOW CARLIN DEALS WITH THE HECKLER, through THREATS OF RAPE AND MURDER. Go listen to how Rivers, Louis, and everyone else handles their hecklers which is by crushing them to death.

It can and should be done without turning into a sexist asshat.

This does not mean that it must be done or should be done.

That may be how YOU would do it, and when you get on a stage, you follow that star.

But your prescription is not the only one, and you cannot demand that Tosh or Carlin or Rivers follows your prescription.

But the Onion video wasn't supporting the idea that women being victims of rape is something to be laughed at. It's mocking fan speculation about spoilers and how writers/publishers hype up stories. Rape is the subject, but women being raped isn't the point.

Tosh was not encouraging rape, or threatening rape either. In his sister gets raped joke he is mocking how twisted some groups are and how oblivious some people are, he was not saying his sister should be raped. With the heckler, he was not saying the woman should be raped, and he was not encouraging rape. He was dealing with a hecker, and telling her to fark off, and joking with the audience about how funny it would be if moments after she said, rape was not funny, the cosmos let her get raped, if only to prove how ironic that would be, or even how correct she was.

You are a sick fark if (like feminists) you believe Tosh was encouraging the rape of that woman.

And The Onion is absolutely making the point that rape is a topic that can be laughed at. They may have other points to, but read this:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/07/02/the-onions - best-and-worst-rape-jokes/

The point of this entire page is that at the Onion, rape is a great subject for a joke.

Did you laugh at the rape joke in Blazing Saddles? Was Mel Brooks encouraging the rape of women?
Did you laugh at the rape joke at the end of Trading Places? Was John Landis encouraging the rape of men?

Was Tosh encouraging the rape of this woman?

The only discussion I've seen about the unicorn gang rape was in a Cracked article.

Well then use the googles FOR YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE https://www.google.com/search?q=harry+potter+rape+umbridge

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-14 02:15:20 AM

kronicfeld: AiryAnne: Here's a list of every funny female comic:

Cathleen Madigan and Chelsea Peretti are pretty great.


Agreed. I've seen Madigan live a few times, and she kills it. (I think it's "Kathleen", btw.)

I've seen Peretti on tv, she's good too.
 
2012-07-14 02:41:06 AM

RoyBatty: uknesvuinng: We're ALL positing ourselves as the judges of rape jokes and funny and offensiveness by having this discussion.

No, we're not.

What many of us are saying is that you cannot pick and choose, outside the context, in vitro, what rape jokes are acceptable and which are not based on your personal preferences and what YOU think the comic should have done.

The comic lives in vivo, judgments in vitro are bullshiat.

When you read anyone say "the comic crossed the line, what he should've written was", 99% of the time the new joke is terrible and much worse than the original and proving only why the comic is the comic and the commenter is still some yutz on the Internet.

That's part of this conversation; what does make an acceptable/funny rape joke? And that's the whole farking point. "If it had been funnier and less offensive" is exactly what would have made it acceptable.


No. That's a cop out. There's also a theme of feminists too cowardly to admit it, so they say, "heh, heh, we like rape jokes too, but funny rape jokes, and Tosh is not a good enough comic to make a funny rape joke." But that's bullshiat. That's just an in vitro license to judge yay or nay on anything she wishes without having to support it with objective evidence. I liked that one. I didn't like that one.

Well live performances and Art cannot live on your in vitro judgments. Nor have you established why your opinion matters, at all.



So wait, I discuss rape jokes, various contexts, various ways to make them, whereas you say no one can say anything on the subject whatsoever because we aren't allowed to say anything unless we're working comics, and you think I'm the one making a cop-out? I assumed at first you were trying to make an honest argument, but I see now you're just being a disingenuous farktard dismissing anything anyone has to say on the subject, passing your decree that no one is allowed to have any discussion because you deem it impossible to discuss.

I've seen quite a few articles on this in which feminists have no problem saying they've laughed at rape jokes. Here's an example.

You've linked examples of comedians handling hecklers well.

No, I haven't. GO LISTEN TO HOW CARLIN DEALS WITH THE HECKLER, through THREATS OF RAPE AND MURDER. Go listen to how Rivers, Louis, and everyone else handles their hecklers which is by crushing them to death.


Ok, so you re-linked videos that other farkers linked of comedians dealing with hecklers well. You're still ignoring nuance and context in favor of broad dismissal of the entire discussion.

It can and should be done without turning into a sexist asshat.

This does not mean that it must be done or should be done.

That may be how YOU would do it, and when you get on a stage, you follow that star.

But your prescription is not the only one, and you cannot demand that Tosh o ...


Well, you can be a dick if you want to by acting like a misogynist/racist/etc (henceforth to be referred to as acting like a republican, because we might as well invoke the full derp of the politics tab, now). Of course it's an opinion that comics don't have to act like republicans when dealing with hecklers. And it's my opinion (shared by others) that acting like a republican just isn't funny. I'm sure you could get a ton of laughs at a KKK rally talking about lynching the "attractive and successful", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's something everyone should find funny or that it's behavior anyone should consider acceptable. I desire a world where people don't catch shiat purely because of, or directed squarely at, their gender, race, etc. That means discouraging such behavior. If your own desires are different, ok, whatever. It is presumptuous of me to assume everyone wants the same cultural changes I want.

[The rest of the quoted post got snipped by fark]

[RE: Encouraging rape]

No one's saying he means that she should literally be raped. But I should back up because I certainly implied that with how I was explaining this. What I should have said is that he was minimizing the idea of her being raped. He targeted her gender (probably unintentionally, I'm giving him a lot of benefit of the doubt still) with his attack. Given the cultural context regarding women and rape (and you can't reasonably dismiss that because it's always present in any communication), you can't just say "wouldn't it be funny if" a woman is raped without invoking a whole bunch of extra baggage, no more than you can talk about lynching black people or burning Jews without invoking the relevant historical contexts. It's not that you can't make such jokes, you just have to consider these things and be careful, assuming you don't want to be a republican dick.

[RE: The Onion]

You seem to be unable to differentiate between using rape as the subject of jokes and attacking women by their gender through rape jokes. At this point, I don't think I'm capable of helping your through your perceptual difficulties.

As for JK Rowling and gang rape, did I in any way indicate I gave a shiat about the gang rape in her book? I don't care, and it's not relevant to this discussion. You brought it up as an aside, I mentioned the only place I'd heard about it (because, once again, not a Potter fan). I didn't ask for more information about it. You can rest assured that if I suddenly do care in the future, I will make full use of Google to satisfy my curiosity.
 
2012-07-14 02:49:04 AM

uknesvuinng: So wait, I discuss rape jokes, various contexts, various ways to make them, whereas you say no one can say anything on the subject whatsoever because we aren't allowed to say anything unless we're working comics, and you think I'm the one making a cop-out? I assumed at first you were trying to make an honest argument, but I see now you're just being a disingenuous farktard dismissing anything anyone has to say on the subject, passing your decree that no one is allowed to have any discussion because you deem it impossible to discuss.


First, let's look at all the names you call me: Farktard, disingenuous, republican, misogynist, blah blah blah.

If you had even an ounce of intellectual honesty and self-awareness you would see that anyone that had engaged in this long a discussion with you is certainly not disingenous.

We might disagree, but I wouldn't call you either a farktard, or a misandrist, or a republican simply because we disagree.

Second, you can say anything you want, the point of all of this, is that you cannot justify a heckle of a comedian OR ANY ARTIST based on your own personal views of whether a joke is funny, or offensive, and that is exactly what the feminists are doing, at place after place.

Placing the blame on Tosh because his joke was not funny enough, or he not good enough, or his joke offensive or not.

But these same feminists would scream bloody murder if someone were to stand during the vagina monologues and heckle those performers based on the offensiveness of all the anti-male tropes therein.

If you want to tell your friends or blog that Tosh was a jackass, go for it.

If you want to stand up during his act and heckle him and then you dislike his response, you cannot justify your rotten behavior based on his not being as funny as Carlin.

I can imagine you don't understand this, even though it's what has been said over and over by many people throughout this thread.

That you don't understand this doesn't make me a "republican" or a farktard or disingenuous or a misogynist.

It just makes you someone intolerant of those that disagree with you, and unable to follow their arguments.
 
2012-07-14 02:54:32 AM
Well, you can be a dick if you want to by acting like a misogynist/racist/etc (henceforth to be referred to as acting like a republican, because we might as well invoke the full derp of the politics tab, now). Of course it's an opinion that comics don't have to act like republicans when dealing with hecklers. And it's my opinion (shared by others) that acting like a republican just isn't funny. I'm sure you could get a ton of laughs at a KKK rally talking about lynching the "attractive and successful", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's something everyone should find funny or that it's behavior anyone should consider acceptable. I desire a world where people don't catch shiat purely because of, or directed squarely at, their gender, race, etc. That means discouraging such behavior. If your own desires are different, ok, whatever. It is presumptuous of me to assume everyone wants the same cultural changes I want.

We disagree about whether this heckler was justified and when I carefully and at length explain why and with quotes and links it makes me:

dick
farktard
disingenuous
republican
kkk
misogynist
racist

Okay. You pegged it. You are wise beyond your years. And a true champion of positive cultural change.
 
2012-07-14 03:00:16 AM
Can't we all agree that it would have been pretty darned funny if I had been raped right there in the club that night?
 
2012-07-14 03:26:00 AM

RoyBatty: Well, you can be a dick if you want to by acting like a misogynist/racist/etc (henceforth to be referred to as acting like a republican, because we might as well invoke the full derp of the politics tab, now). Of course it's an opinion that comics don't have to act like republicans when dealing with hecklers. And it's my opinion (shared by others) that acting like a republican just isn't funny. I'm sure you could get a ton of laughs at a KKK rally talking about lynching the "attractive and successful", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's something everyone should find funny or that it's behavior anyone should consider acceptable. I desire a world where people don't catch shiat purely because of, or directed squarely at, their gender, race, etc. That means discouraging such behavior. If your own desires are different, ok, whatever. It is presumptuous of me to assume everyone wants the same cultural changes I want.

We disagree about whether this heckler was justified and when I carefully and at length explain why and with quotes and links it makes me:

dick
farktard
disingenuous
republican
kkk
misogynist
racist

Okay. You pegged it. You are wise beyond your years. And a true champion of positive cultural change.


I didn't actually call you any of those (except disingenuous farktard). Context seems to be a weak point with you. I was discussing in that paragraph, in general (that was a "general you"), funny and offensive, and responding to whether comedians "should" deal with hecklers in certain ways. That you so immediately identified these words as describing yourself, well, I'm willing to just assume you misunderstood that part of the post.

Now, I did call you a disingenuous farktard, but that's because you're trying to dismiss all conversation by declaring it invalid because it's not (in your incorrectly used words) "in vivo". By the way, what you probably meant was "in situ". It's nice of you to come forth and declare what subjects can and can't be discussed and how they can/can't be discussed, but you don't get to act like everyone else is copping out in the discussion while you do it.

I never actually said the heckler was justified. I understand why she did it, but whether it's justified is a different conversation. I did imply I thought Tosh was right to deal with the heckler, he just chose a poor route to do so.

And I'm sorry your poor male self is so horribly oppressed by the Vagina Monologues. It must be so terrible knowing that even though you're playing the game of life on easy mode (to borrow Scalzi's metaphor), someone somewhere didn't fawn over the male gender in a play. Gosh, how will you ever recover from such abuse?

In summary, reading comprehension is your friend. Also, I'm not gonna call you a misogynist, but your concern about "anti-male tropes" means I wouldn't be surprised if you are one. Now, I'm sure you're getting bored of arguing with me, and it's pretty clear this conversation isn't going anywhere now, so, shall we call a mutual end to this thread of discussion (our bit of back and forth, that is, not the Fark discussion thread itself), and simply embrace the common ground that we both consider "republican" an insult? :D
 
2012-07-14 03:30:51 AM

MorePeasPlease: Can't we all agree that it would have been pretty darned funny if I had been raped right there in the club that night?


Do you make funny noises as you're raped? Like, do you squeak like a dog toy with every thrust? Or maybe a honk like a bike horn? Cause that'd be pretty funny.
 
2012-07-14 03:36:23 AM

uknesvuinng: shall we call a mutual end to this thread of discussion (our bit of back and forth, that is, not the Fark discussion thread itself), and simply embrace the common ground that we both consider "republican" an insult? :D


I'm happy to end the discussion, but while I am not a Republican, I do think you're way off base to write this:

Well, you can be a dick if you want to by acting like a misogynist/racist/etc (henceforth to be referred to as acting like a republican, because we might as well invoke the full derp of the politics tab, now). Of course it's an opinion that comics don't have to act like republicans when dealing with hecklers.

That's just bullshiat, typical of many liberals and feminists too by the way, and precisely why the politics tab is a futile waste of time.

There are people that disagree with you. Republican is not equal to racist misogynist etc. And you'd better hope and work to make people understand that, or else we're all farked.

Just like disagreeing with feminism or believing that Tosh handled that heckler just fine or that Carlin handled his heckler no better than Tash or that thinking that the Vagina Monologues is full of male hating tropes does not make one into a misogynist.

And I'm sorry your poor male self is so horribly oppressed by the Vagina Monologues. It must be so terrible knowing that even though you're playing the game of life on easy mode (to borrow Scalzi's metaphor), someone somewhere didn't fawn over the male gender in a play. Gosh, how will you ever recover from such abuse?

And noting as many people, including women and certain feminists do like Betty Dodson that the Vagina monologues is full of misandrist crap does not make me a misogynist either. But your intentional misrepresenting me as you do here certainly makes you a disingenous jackass.
 
2012-07-14 04:02:11 AM

MorePeasPlease: Can't we all agree that it would have been pretty darned funny if I had been raped right there in the club that night?


By funny do you mean hot?
 
2012-07-14 04:46:27 AM

dameron: Lsherm: This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

He got heckled and he reacted in character. Now that might be a reprehensible character and all the criticisms about his act including references to rape and such are valid, but ultimately if you interrupt Gallagher's set don't be surprised when you get covered in watermelon.


*GASP* you mean there is a difference between art and reality? How dare you say such things, I thought, that every 18 wheeler I saw might be Optimus Prime, and all those superheroes were REAL DAMMIT!
 
2012-07-14 05:05:12 AM

steamingpile: Nick Spiceyweiner: advex101: Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.

Seriously.

/Someone should have raped that girl.

Maybe she was too ugly for even rapists .....


I wouldn't want to get sand on my penis
 
2012-07-14 06:33:56 AM

save russian jews: god this whole comments section makes me feel ashamed to have ever been part of this community.


Sounds like someone needs a good gang raping and a Ziggy comic.
 
2012-07-14 09:38:18 AM
If he makes feminists angry, he's ok in my book.
 
2012-07-14 09:50:20 AM

Snout Johnson: Comedians are allowed and encouraged to joke about racism, sexism, 9/11, AIDS, cancer, balding, STDs, scoliosis, asthma, murder, serial killers, suicide, sex, taxes, death, funerals, depression, mental disorder, sodamy, child porn, child rape, incest, weirdos, transgenders, leperacy, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and rape. IT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF COMEDY. SHIATY STUFF HAPPENS TO PEOPLE, I'M SORRY. That's it. Don't see comedy if you need to see a psychiatrist


Comedians are allowed to joke about all that stuff. But they are *required* to be funny. Tosh did what was permitted, not what was required. On account of being a completely unfunny person and generally awful comedian, etc.
 
2012-07-14 12:46:19 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Sounds like Tosh is up for a Web Redemption.


Magnificent...came for this and didn't have a long wait!
 
2012-07-14 03:43:09 PM
Came here for:

a.)RIGHTEOUS INTERNET RAGE!
b.)White Knights
c.)People who "know comedy" claiming Daniel Tosh is "not comedy"


/leaving satisfied
//good day, gasbags
 
2012-07-14 05:00:18 PM
I don't care about most of this debate.

However, I have to say this: If feminists have a problem with Dolores Umbridge being raped by centaurs, then they should just stop reading books altogether. Guess what, folks... Bad stuff happens in fictional stories all the time. People die, people are raped, people steal and cheat and lie.

Here's the thing: THEY ARE FICTIONAL, AND IT'S JUST A STORY.

If you want all your fiction to be based in fantasy happy land where nothing bad ever happens to the female characters because to do so would be a crime against women/men/children/dwarves/etc., then you need to go the f♥ck away and never speak in public again, because you're a frigging idiot who apparently cannot separate fantasy from reality.

There's a difference between a character suffering some bad thing in a book and a hateful fantasy written with a real person in mind. If you can't understand that, then you should stop reading books.

Books should not ever be forced to be politically correct. They should not be forced to abandon plots that include rape because it's offensive to women. They should not be forced to drop all eunuchs because it's offensive to men. They should not be forced to avoid violence to witches because it offends Wiccans. When you force books to conform to political correctness and "play nice", you're crippling the art of writing and the power of literature.

And anyone who does that is my enemy, and the enemy of free speech and enlightenment.

There are no taboos in fiction writing. NONE. AT. ALL. If you can get away with writing it, and people enjoy the story, and it's not a gratuitous, self-indulgent fantasy that is only masquerading as a fiction novel, then GO FOR IT, and F♥CK THE NAYSAYERS.

I say this as a published author and musician. I say this as a bleeding heart liberal and feminist (read: promoting women's equality, not a misandrist). Do not limit writers to "acceptable" topics and give them a list of "forbidden" or "taboo" subjects. It's insulting to the writer, the readers, and the world in general.

If you don't like it, don't read it.
 
2012-07-14 06:01:49 PM
Cant say Ive ever heard of any of those women, or if I have it wasnt memorable.

As far as Tosh goes...never found him funny, but the rape joke thing doesnt bother me either.

Sad thing is women fit the minority comedian double standard so well...women, blacks, spanish, etc can make jokes about whites and men, but white men better not make any about them in return...because thats racist, sexist, etc. Get over yourselves.
 
2012-07-14 11:15:10 PM
nine out of ten people enjoy gang rape.

/i don't like rape jokes, they feel so forced
 
2012-07-15 02:16:08 AM

sleeps in trees: See, he could have turned that heckle around. He could have said I mean rape is funny not haha but funny odd. We feel for the victim but, the poor guy will get heckled the rest of his life for having such a small dick he had to force a woman to have sex with him.

Suggesting gang rape on an audience member was his fark up.


60-something posts into the thread and someone finally gets it.

Jokes are jokes, but this was a joke disguised as a threat, or a threat disguised a joke. It's like a guy with a loaded gun saying "I'm going to shoot you...nah, kidding, you should have seen the look on your face...but seriously, I'm going to blow your head off and piss on your corpse...ha-ha, got you again...I'm killing your family if you don't laugh at my joke...". Depending on the context and the person doing that, you might feel a bit unsafe if you hear that. I can see how the suggestion that five guys rape her in a room full of mouth breathers can freak you out.
 
2012-07-15 05:34:18 PM

rga184: Jokes are jokes, but this was a joke disguised as a threat, or a threat disguised a joke. It's like a guy with a loaded gun saying "I'm going to shoot you...nah, kidding, you should have seen the look on your face...but seriously, I'm going to blow your head off and piss on your corpse...ha-ha, got you again...I'm killing your family if you don't laugh at my joke...". Depending on the context and the person doing that, you might feel a bit unsafe if you hear that. I can see how the suggestion that five guys rape her in a room full of mouth breathers can freak you out.


No it wasn't, and no it's not. It is such a leap of logic to make that statement and we are all slightly stupider for having read it.
 
2012-07-15 07:25:58 PM
So, basically, Tosh has some jokes about rape. *shrug* Which, is in poor taste at best but this is America, so he can say whatever he wants. But that means I can, too.
Daniel, when the woman who was raped, started heckling you while you were joking about rape (which you shouldn't do), you should have looked her straight in the eye, and said, 'Hey, I'm sorry, I can see how you can be upset about these jokes. Just hang on, there's only a few and after the show every man in here with a pair of balls will go find the guy that raped you and rip his dick off. Just his dick. The balls stay on. That way, he'll be horny for the rest of his life, but won't have anything to do anything about it with as he'll be pissing through a tube for the rest of his days.'
If you said that, there would have been thunderous applause. Instead you just went full retard....
Now, having said all that, knock off the rape jokes or I'll fark you until you love me.
Yeah, you heard me. Wasn't very funny, was it? That's why you shouldn't do rape jokes.
 
2012-07-15 07:30:18 PM

adamziadel: That's why you shouldn't do rape jokes.


No, that's why YOU shouldn't. It should be funny.
 
2012-07-15 09:03:45 PM

mjbok: adamziadel: That's why you shouldn't do rape jokes.

No, that's why YOU shouldn't. It should be funny.


FARK should have taught people by now, that it is rarely the case that their improvement of the joke is an improvement of the joke. It is mainly just a demonstration of why they comment on FARK and are not paid for their writing or comedic skills.

Lots of people saying, "Your rape joke wasn't funny, but my politically correct feminist approved rape joke is hilarious" demonstrates mainly that politically correct feminist approved humor can barely be differentiated from the null set.
 
2012-07-15 09:13:57 PM

RoyBatty: Lots of people saying, "Your rape joke wasn't funny, but my politically correct feminist approved rape joke is hilarious" demonstrates mainly that politically correct feminist approved humor can barely be differentiated from the null set.


Funny is, at best, a subjective thing. The fact that there is a (substantial) debate about whether or not a comic should have told a joke (at a comedy club no less) is disturbing. People that are bringing up Michael Richards have a tenuous point, but he was not telling a joke, he was just going off of people. For anyone to say that Tosh was asking for the woman to be raped: 1. The fact that you think he cared at all about this chucklehead heckler other than shutting her up is asinine 2. Even out of context it's not a threat (implied or otherwise) nor a call to action.

Everybody has had terrible stuff happen to them in their life. That sucks, but it is an extremely slippery (and hypocritical slope) once you start putting subject "x" on the banned list. Someone was raped, can't joke about rape. Someone was murdered, can't joke about that. Someone is unemployed, can't talk about jobs, etc. until you're down to jokes about nothing, and even Seinfeld has done rape jokes.

The worst is people trying to interject their sensibility about the subject. "Well a rape joke would have been okay if he said..." Regarding if there is a line...yes there is. However that line is not universal, that line is individual, and (excluding rules of the club itself) the only person whose line matters at that time is the person on stage. If you don't like the subject matter, leave (which she apparently didn't despite what certain blogs state) or don't laugh. If you honestly want to stick it to a comic, don't laugh. That is the worst thing you can do to them.
 
2012-07-15 10:18:32 PM

mjbok: 2. Even out of context it's not a threat (implied or otherwise) nor a call to action.


That so many people claim it was a threat tells me, especially as it comes from relatively highly educated feminists, lawyers, academics, feminist lawyer academics, farkers, pundits is how intellectually dishonest these people are. Or how far our academia has fallen.

And I agree fully with everything you said in this comment.
 
2012-07-15 10:44:55 PM

RoyBatty: That so many people claim it was a threat tells me, especially as it comes from relatively highly educated feminists, lawyers, academics, feminist lawyer academics, farkers, pundits is how intellectually dishonest these people are. Or how far our academia has fallen.


I would say the former. Not that academia (and the respect of intelligence in general in this country) hasn't fallen a few pegs, but it's anti-not me bias. If something is unbalanced or there is inequity (but it doesn't impact your precious demo) it doesn't matter, but as soon as you are the "victim" it is the worst thing ever.

As a comic there is no subject that I wouldn't talk and joke about. I always respect the boundaries of the club owners because it's their club and their livelihood. Of course I often go over my allotted time which is also a dick move, but I try to do what the owners want (for me to be funny). I wouldn't go down particular paths (I'll talk about race, but won't tell racist jokes, etc.), but that is part of the fun/challenge of it. Can you talk about something controversial and still make it work? It's not about offending someone or being controversial, but it's about willing to talk about something that is not boring or middle of the road. Talking and joking about something isn't belittling the seriousness or importance of something. It's like if you talk to someone who routinely sees the worst of the world, they usually have a really gallows humor mentality. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter, but there are no sacred cows, or at least there shouldn't be.
 
2012-07-16 02:16:51 PM
misogynistic


The only people who actually use this word are stupid biatches
 
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